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Skrubinski 04-21-2014 02:33 PM

Ty Cobb 1911 D304 General Bakery, "Star Breads" Card
 
I recently obtained a Ty Cobb D304 card at the bottom of an estate box, along with several other older cards such as Babe Ruth 181 etc.. my question, as I am not a collector and I have gone through the expense of having them rated from SGC, is where is the best place to determine a value as none of the sites have this card priced, they have the Braunner (SP) card listed. I expect grading back tomorrow and as I stated I am not a collector so I am trying to make sure that I don't get screwed over by one of these "collector" sites or by an auction company.. Any feed back much appreciated.

vintagecpa 04-21-2014 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skrubinski (Post 1267615)
... I expect grading back tomorrow....

I think I would wait another day before getting too worked up.

ullmandds 04-21-2014 02:43 PM

probably fake...post some scans.

e107collector 04-21-2014 02:50 PM

Cobb
 
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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1267621)
probably fake...post some scans.

+1 - I hope for your sake they are authentic. Please keep us posted.

Tony

Leon 04-21-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagecpa (Post 1267619)
I think I would wait another day before getting too worked up.

The chances of those 2 cards being in the same box, and being real, are slim to none. But good luck to the OP nonetheless.....

Sean1125 04-21-2014 02:56 PM

Best of luck on authenticity. Here is picture of a couple of my D304's for reference.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2mgrqxi.jpg

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 03:03 PM

thanks for the input, so far multiple "experts" has said they are not fake but that is why I am having them graded.. They are the General Baking with the Star breads on the back, quality on the ty cobb has no creases, only slightly rounded corners.. they passed every test the local shops tied, 20x magnifier to look at printing, checked with black light, but if they are real then great if fake, then like the shop I took them to said, they are damn good.. I found 12 other high end different cards and before you ask, this was from someone estate that passed away.

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 03:04 PM

not posting a scan as the graded versions will be done tomorrow, so if they are real, I will post the graded version, if they are fake, then so be it.

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagecpa (Post 1267619)
I think I would wait another day before getting too worked up.

not to excited, really don't care either way for me, I have very little invested in the box of junk they were in.

ullmandds 04-21-2014 03:06 PM

if u post scans we can tell you if they are real today!!!!
c/mon...you know u can't wait!!!!

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1267638)
if u post scans we can tell you if they are real today!!!!
c/mon...you know u can't wait!!!!

not sure how you will be able to tell better than "Just Collect" whom seem to think authentic, they have pictures of it already, I am not a collector.. I have taken them to several local reputable companies in the area that handle high end cards they all said same thing, if forgeries, the best forgeries they have seem and based on the quality, and I agree, that they needed to be looked at by experts.. BUT, if they are real, and when they are graded, I will gladly post a picture and the information.

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1267625)
The chances of those 2 cards being in the same box, and being real, are slim to none. But good luck to the OP nonetheless.....

I am hoping all 15 vintage cards are real.. lo.l

BobbyVCP 04-21-2014 03:16 PM

What was the name of the person you dealt with at JC?

gnaz01 04-21-2014 03:21 PM

You can look up on SGC website and see if they got graded or not.

joeadcock 04-21-2014 04:11 PM

Any chance we can see one scan?

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 04:23 PM

I have pictures of them in the screw downs, was afraid to take them out.. had a local collector take them out.. I will post in a while.

ullmandds 04-21-2014 04:37 PM

screw downs!!!!...this is getting good!!!

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 05:13 PM

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Here is one picture

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 05:14 PM

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Second pic. Trying to figure how to post.

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 05:16 PM

The local shops checked the printing and all the normal test but really don't care tomorrow will know if real or not from professionals. The screw downs are really scratched

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 05:17 PM

Yes the picture looks like ink /glue. Not real uniform in jewlers loop and printing is solid block

Leon 04-21-2014 05:17 PM

100% fake.....

ullmandds 04-21-2014 05:19 PM

hmmm...agreed...it looks pretty good.

The lack of detail on cobb's face(pink rosy cheeks)...as compared to the other authentic copies is a concern to me.

I will be curious to see the outcome...I hope they are real for your sake!

Leon 04-21-2014 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1267713)
hmmm...agreed...it looks pretty good.

The lack of detail on cobb's face(pink rosy cheeks)...as compared to the other authentic copies is a concern to me.

I will be curious to see the outcome...I hope they are real for your sake!

It looks awful.....hideous actually. Look at the color of the edges and the uniformity in the rounding of the corners. Corners don't wear like that. A beginner could see that it's a reprint.

ullmandds 04-21-2014 05:23 PM

send me the dunce cap and I'll go sit in the corner for a while!!!! in my defense I've never owned a d304!!!!

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 05:23 PM

Leon. I would love to know your basis. Jealousy or ignorance. I don't remember asking for opinions on real or not that's sgc if fake then no big deal. If real Then great.

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 05:24 PM

And if your wrong Leon that makes you what a freaking idiot

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 05:26 PM

Does Leon own one. I can show you three cards that have rounded corners and btw not uniform at all. You know what this is waste of my time dealing with idiots like Leon. Asked a question. Not trying to sell and unless I see Leon's name on a professional grading his opinion is worthless

JoeyF1981 04-21-2014 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skrubinski (Post 1267723)
Does Leon own one. I can show you three cards that have rounded corners and btw not uniform at all. You know what this is waste of my time dealing with idiots like Leon. Asked a question. Not trying to sell and unless I see Leon's name on a professional grading his opinion is worthless


Leon has tons of knowledge and youre on here making a a$$ outta yourself when he gave you his honest opinion. He's right the corners are not from average wear. somebody purposely did that and if you had any sense at all youd listen to the experts on here instead of getting so defensive because youre realizing theres a very good chance theyre not authentic

Leon 04-21-2014 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skrubinski (Post 1267723)
Does Leon own one. I can show you three cards that have rounded corners and btw not uniform at all. You know what this is waste of my time dealing with idiots like Leon. Asked a question. Not trying to sell and unless I see Leon's name on a professional grading his opinion is worthless

Dig your hole a bit deeper my friend....here is mine...I told you a few posts up why but you are too busy being ignorant. I am only 100% sure of what I am saying so there is still some room for error :).

http://luckeycards.com/pd304cobb.jpg

calvindog 04-21-2014 05:31 PM

That Cobb is obviously fake.

calvindog 04-21-2014 05:32 PM

REA's magnets look more authentic than that Cobb.

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1267726)
Dig your hole a bit deeper my friend....here is mine...I told you a few posts up why but you are too busy being ignorant. I am only 100% sure of what I am saying so there is still some room for error :).

http://luckeycards.com/pd304cobb.jpg

If it's fake fine but are you willing to put your card on the line

Bocabirdman 04-21-2014 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1267726)
Dig your hole a bit deeper my friend....here is mine...I told you a few posts up why but you are too busy being ignorant. I am only 100% sure of what I am saying so there is still some room for error :).

http://luckeycards.com/pd304cobb.jpg

Leon, this card is not "yucky"

calvindog 04-21-2014 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Skrubinski (Post 1267730)
If it's fake fine but are you willing to put your card on the line

Are you such a small asshole that you truly can't handle experts telling you that a few thousand dollar card is fake?

Bocabirdman 04-21-2014 05:43 PM

These must be real...
 
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I got them in screwdowns .:D

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Leon 04-21-2014 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Skrubinski (Post 1267730)
If it's fake fine but are you willing to put your card on the line

Sure if yours is real then you can have mine. Yours is fake. Don't take it personally. BTW, I may not be an expert but my name is in the front of the Krause Baseball Price guide and the Beckett price guide as a contributor....is yours?

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 05:47 PM

I never asked for "experts" opinions that's why I sent it to sgc. I have 100.00 in to the whole box from the estate. The true experts are looking at it now. I've had individuals that own very large stores that deal in these collectables handle this card in person yet this "expert" can tell thru scratched plastic that has all kinds of crap on it can tell hmmm.

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 05:49 PM

I never claimed to be what I'm not but my name is in multiple professional journals does not make me a professional on it all. Tomorrow sgc will complete grading if real I'll gladly post as well as if fake

Skrubinski 04-21-2014 05:50 PM

Few thousand dollar card? Ok.

Paul S 04-21-2014 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Skrubinski (Post 1267738)
I never asked for "experts" opinions that's why I sent it to sgc.

Wha'?!:confused:

gnaz01 04-21-2014 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Skrubinski (Post 1267723)
You know what this is waste of my time dealing with idiots like Leon.

LL, ban this guy!!! :mad:

Bocabirdman 04-21-2014 05:54 PM

Here is a link
 
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Originally Posted by Skrubinski (Post 1267742)
Few thousand dollar card? Ok.

Here is a link for an FUGLY example for $1500

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-1914-D3...item3cda535d3a

pencil1974 04-21-2014 05:55 PM

Sorry late to the show, let me get my popcorn ready, hold on...

OK continue...

gnaz01 04-21-2014 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pencil1974 (Post 1267747)
Sorry late to the show, let me get my popcorn ready, hold on...

OK continue...

LOL :p

sebie43 04-21-2014 05:56 PM

If Leon is an "idiot" idk what the hell that makes me :eek:

Bocabirdman 04-21-2014 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gnaz01 (Post 1267745)
LL, ban this guy!!! :mad:

18 posts and already his head is being called for......Not a record but damn impressive none the less.:eek:

gnaz01 04-21-2014 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bocabirdman (Post 1267751)
18 posts and already his head is being called for......Not a record but damn impressive none the less.:eek:

I know Mike, but a noob calling Leon an idiot? Just gets my Italian temper up! ;)

nsaddict 04-21-2014 06:00 PM

The Cobb in the screw down is an obvious fake. I would guess 90% of "local shops" would be clueless to the Cobb. "Estate sales" turn out to be fakes more times than not. The OP seems to be quite arrogant, shouldn't his name be posted too?

frankbmd 04-21-2014 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bocabirdman (Post 1267751)
18 posts and already his head is being called for......Not a record but damn impressive none the less.:eek:

He's over the 15/day limit at 15.02 currently.


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