1960s Topps Series
 

This is what I show:

1960 - We haven't spent much time on the sheets for this year. There is a some uncut material (a slit from series 1, a panel with Maris etc.), but I don't have info on all of the series.

1961 - We know all ten rows in series 1, but not the pattern used. However, we believe we know the 3x vs 2x rows. Series 2 & 3- one slit is known, so the entire sheet is known. Series 4 - I only have a few miscuts, so I don't think the sheet is known. Series 5 - a lot of work has been done by others and I show that the entire sheet is known. Series 6 has 77 cards, but I do not show that the pattern is known. Finally, there is enough information to reconstruct the 66 card run for series 7, anmd so the entire sheet can be established.

1962 - I believe all sheets for this year have been determined.

1963 - I believe all sheets for this year have been determined.

1964 - Series 1 through 4 are known. Series 5 has one slit determined, but the 2nd slit hasn't been finalized yet. Very little is known about Series 6 while series 7 has three of the 7 rows established, but not the entire sheet.

1965 - All ten rows of series 1 are known, but the pattern for the sheet isn't known well enough to establish the sheet. Series 2, 3, 4, & 5 are known as is one slit (but not pattern) for series 7. Little is known about series 6.

1966 - The first three series are known, series 4 has been ony partially reconstructed (approx 40%), series 5 has been reconstructed with the exception of 3-4 cards, very little is known about series 6, and series 7 has been reconstructed (shown in this forum).

1967 - All ten rows are known for series 1 but the pattern for the 2nd slit is still speculative. Series 2, 3, 4, & 5 have enough information available to determine the sheet layouts. Series 6 has been reconstructed except for the placement of 2-3 cards, and although some question the validity of our proposed layout for series 7, I haven't seen anything to change my mind about the 1 by 5x, 1 by 4x, 5 by 3x pattern we proposed.

1968 - All ten rows are known for series 1 but the pattern for the 2nd slit is still speculative. Series 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, & 7 have enough information available to determine the sheet layouts.

1969 - All ten rows are known for series 1 but the pattern for the 2nd slit is still speculative. Series 2, 4, 5, & 6 have enough information available to determine the sheet layouts. Series 7 has been reconstructed except for 4-5 cards. Series 3, a 110 card series, is still in the formative stages of being reconstructed. We know most of the leading edge & trailing edge cards, and have a few miscuts, but most of the layout is still TBD.

I hope this helps. If I have made any errors, please PM me.

Kevin

Actually it was three cards but I figured there was no way that Topps put two team cards side by side so I surmised that the Pirates Team card had to be in the final open spot that doesn't have a team card on either side, between Bobby Wine and Bob Shaw in the 3 slot of the Brooks Robinson Checklist row. I just found a Bobby Wine with a miscut back that shows the Pirates Team card to his right so that confirms it. The last two cards to be placed are Tommy Helms and John Stephenson and the last two open slots are slot 6 on the Bob Miller row between the Giants Team card and Jerry Zimmerman and then slot 7 of the Brooks Robinson Checklist row between the Braves Team card and Marcelino Lopez.

Orlando McFarlane is confirmed to be in the 9 slot of the Gary Bell row, the top of LANE from his last name can just be made out at at the bottom of the Merritt miscut. Since the Dodgers Team card is to the left of McFarlane it is confirmed to be in the 8 slot of the Gary Bell.

I had forgotten that off center 67 Jerry Zimmerman cards showed the white stats box of the card to his left, but with so many cards still to be placed it didn't really matter before anyway. But now that the 67 6th Series is down to two cards it dawned on me that I should be able to figure out which one it is, Tommy Helms or John Stephenson. I figured out it is John Stephenson for two reasons. First, the white stats box on Helms is a little larger than the white stats box on Stephenson, when I placed each of them against the off center Zimmerman with a sliver of the stats box showing the Stephenson was a perfect fit, the Helms white box is too large. The second reason is that the white stats box on Stephenson protrudes further left than normal, the same as Lachemann which often shows up on slightly off center Giants Team cards. The white stats box on Helms is normal, it is nearly flush with the rest of the back of the card. I am very confident that the sheet is now complete and correct, but I will still search for miscuts for 100% confirmation on cards such as Alou, Indians Rookie Stars, Petrocelli, Horton, and Reynolds.

By request, here is a mock-up of one of the slits for the 6th series, based upon the work done by Cliff and Kevvy, among others.

Guys - let me know if I misplaced any by accident.

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Got it! Changed file type from PNG to JPG, although no idea why that should have made a difference....

Beautiful! Thank you!

That looks great!

Great works guys

Confirmation of #499 Indians Rookie Stars to the right of Orlando McFarlane in the 10 slot of the 4x Gary Bell row, which means although there aren't any miscuts yet with proof of 4x Felipe Alou being in the 7 slot of the Gary Bell row he has to be through the process of elimination.

I had zero doubt on this one but this back miscut from GM Cards on eBay confirms Lee Thomas is to the right of Ron Hunt. It would be nice to find better confirmation miscuts with Felipe Alou and Tommie Reynolds.

This may be a stupid question (or just a question from an inquisitive idiot) - If SOME cards from GM, Deans, COMC or other dealers appear on eBay, do ALL cards from those sources appear on eBay?

I ask because I do check eBay for potential miscuts etc., and this GM card didn't pop up in the daily check.

Thanks!

Mainly from eBay but I have gotten quite a few from COMC and Dean's, I got this scan of a 1966 5th Series Gil Hodges with Bill Wakefield to his left from Dean's very recently. It seems like every time Greg Morris has a 1967 set break on eBay one of the 6th Series cards has a miscut back. They don't put miscut in their listings, you have to check each possible card.

Cliff I believe I gave these to you a long time ago.. Was going thru boxes and found them again and found a few others Thomas and the checklist with a tease of info.... I had 2 Hicks cards so it proves menke to the right and talbot to the left.. Some sheet edge cards in there I will let you be the detective... you can see dodgers team edge, and probably a rookie card next to bob tolan 531 checklist card is intresting.... Enjoy

Holy &$@%! That’s amazing! With these that should confirm everything and put this sheet to bed. Thank you!!

Glad to help lets see the sheet after you do the detective work! LOL

This was an interesting thread to read through. Pretty amazing how y’all put this sheet together. As a relative newbie I came away with a couple of questions. One, are the “tough high numbers” just the last series printed? Or can it include the last few series? Two, what makes the high numbers/last series more scarce? Three, how does a cards position in a sheet impact its scarcity or conditional rarity? Thank you.


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1. Yes, just the last series of a set. 2. There are some cases where a lower series in a certain year is scarcer or just as scarce as the high series, 1957 and 1963 are two that I can think of. 3. Topps would release fewer baseball cards in the fall because kids were switching over to football, basketball, and hockey cards. 4. I'm no expert on that but I have heard others say that edge cards and especially corner cards were more susceptible to damage during the sheet cutting process.

Thanks to Al (batsballsbases) I believe everything is 100% confirmed now on the 1967 6th Series sheet other than possibly Tommy Helms, John Stephenson, Tommie Reynolds, and Senators Rookie Stars. The miscuts of Tolan to the left of the Marichal Checklist, Horton as a right edge card, Felipe Alou to the left of the Dodgers Team card, Killebrew to the left of Gabrielson, Lee Thomas above Felipe Alou, Indians Rookie Stars to the left of Ribant, Ribant as a right edge card, Hunt to the left of Lee Thomas have all confirmed the rest of the sheet being 100% correct. The Bird Bombers, Mantilla, and Bell rows are the 4x rows, the Miller, Perez, Brooks Robinson Checklist, and Pirates Rookie Stars rows are 3x, so that means all of the known checklists and the eBay sellers that have Tony Perez as a SP are correct but there doesn't seem to be any shortage of them.

Great day for discoveries!

General question - is/was there ever any rhyme or reason to card placement on sheets? For example, have we ever seen where 2 team cards or two multi-player rookies were directly adjacent in the same row?

After looking at and working on all of these 60’s Topps sheets I did notice Topps tried to avoid putting two manager cards, two multi rookie cards, two team cards, etc., side by side, that is why I figured the 67 Pirates Team card wasn’t beside the Giants Team card or the Braves Team card when I was down to three remaining slots on the 6th Series and had to be next to Bobby Wine, which turned out to be the case.

Thank you. This helps.


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More confirmation for work already done/surmised - additional confirmation of Burgess in the #2 slot - this version is on eBay. The 3 visible white/bright elements along the bottom line up perfectly with counterparts on Doug Clemens' card.

A few counyer examples:
a, The 1966 high number sheet has two sets of two rookie cards side-by-side as well as another pair vertiocally connected.

b. The 1965 high series has a pair of rookie cards vertically attached, plus a few manager/rookie stars cards vertically.

c. In 1964, series 1, there is a vertical set of 3 that has a team/special/team.

Glad to help Cliff I know you worked hard on this sheet so at least I believe you can say the 6th series is done... HooRay.....:eek::eek:

Cliff now looking at my 531 chechlist that I posted up I believe that would be Tony Perez that is at the bottom of that checklist..... See if you agree...

1967 perez show Perez below check 7
 

Yes, we have similar miscuts that show Perez is below check 7 at at least one place on the sheet. Your post definitely looks like Perez below that checklist

+1

A few new ones, Tommie Reynolds is confirmed to the right of Tribe Hill Aces, Tim McCarver is confirmed to the right of Bob Shaw, and Bill Rigney is above Bob Shaw. About the only ones left to be 100% confirmed are John Stephenson and Tommy Helms.

I have Stephenson confirmed to the left of Zimmerman in the 6th column - confident this was confirmed someplace earlier in this thread based on some photographic evidence.

Yes - Helms is the only card in the series which, to my knowledge, still has no visual confirmation of either its left or right neighbors or which column it's in.

Here is Stephenson to the right of the Giants checklist:

And here is Stephenson above Ron Hunt:

You are The Man! You wouldn't happen to have any miscuts of 1969 Topps 7th Series Joe Pepitone, Ted Williams, Gene Mauch, NL Rookie Stars (Darrell Chaney), or 1966 Topps 4th Series miscuts would you :D?

Thanks! It was fun to contribute to such a great project. I don't have any of the 1969 Topps miscuts you mentioned, unfortunately. I probably don't have any 4th series 1966 Topps either, but I'll double check later in the week. I'll put them all on my watchlist, though.

BBCEmporium has been listing a crap ton of '67s lately - more than 30 of each card in some cases, including hi numbers.

They finally got around to the 6th series today, and all they had of note was this Bob Shaw which confirms his placement next to the Pirates team card.

That is awesome! I had to buy it after you outed it. I believe the only card in the Series not yet confirmed is Tommy Helms, but if the other 76 cards are 100% confirmed then Helms has to be to the right of the Braves Team card through the process of elimination.

I went through the listings in more detail and managed to visually confirm O'Toole to the left of Hall and Dierker to the left of Humphreys - I don't think there had been visual evidence of these placements previously.

The seller also has the Brooks Robinson Checklist and the Pirates Team card from the same exact miscut sheet, too bad the Bobby Wine is missing. Some poor kid bought a nickel pack back in the summer of 1967 and the pack was full of these miscut cards.

Wow-amazing!!

Picture it: The 7-year-old boy crying like a baby in 1967, because his cards were cut godawfully, is now a 63-year-old man jumping for joy because he found his 'great' miscuts - which could help finally solve the mind-numbingly tough sheet layout puzzle - buried in his old box of cards. :eek:

Times do change.

Times don't change - we're just all certifiable!

Actually - would a better explanation be that these were taken from vending than packs? I've seen cards which were obviously neighbors on the same sheet come out of vending (consecutively, one after the other just like they were cut) before.

Evidence that Alou is to the right of McCovey - this was already deduced but now there is visual confirmation....

Nice! I never did see that one looking through thousands of 67’s on eBay. It would be nice to see one of those 1967 miscut backs of Tommy Helms or the Braves Team card, Helms is the one card in the Series we couldn’t find on a miscut.

I still keep an eye out and nothing of Helms has ever surfaced.

My records (a thorough review of what has been posted here as well as searches on line) also show no visible evidence of these cards either, which you seemed to have deduced the locations of:
Derrell Griffith (either horizontal neighbor)
Braves Team (right hand neighbor)
Doug Clemens (right)
Smoky Burgess (right)
Bob Barton (right)
Twins Rookies (left)
Dan Coombs (left)
orioles rookies (left)
Leo Durocher (left)
Marcelino Lopez (left)

If you have any images could you post?

I looked and I don't have any of those. Speaking of the 1967 Topps Felipe Alou, it says on the back of the card "Here's a baseball oddity... Felipe's first 18 big league home runs were hit with the bases empty." That's not even close to true, his first big league home run was a two run shot off of Vern Law and his fourth big league home run was a two run shot off of Ray Semproch.

I do not have a horizontal miscut of Burgess. However, there is a vertical MC of that card showing Clemens underneath. In addition, both Perez and Clemens sometimes have a red line at the top while Bell and Burgess have a red line at the bottom. So Burgess was placed next to Bell.

1967 series 6 Barton
 

The positions of Barton & Durocher were deduced as follows, even without the miscuts asked about in an earlier post.

1. There are horizontal miscuts of #533, tying it to both 521 (on left) and 518 (on right). So #518 must be in the Bird Bombers row and in column 3.

2. There is a Miscut of Miller (461), showing it is above Bird Bombers. There is also a MC of 529 above 518, so Wagner (529) was placed in column 3 of the Miller row. In addition, there is a MC of Peterson (495), tied to both Miller & Wagner, so 529 must be in col 3 of the Miller row.

3. There are horizontal miscuts of Wine (466) to both check 7 (531) and Pirates team (492), so 492 must be in the check 7 row in col 3.

4.There are vertical miscuts of Coombs (464) above Pirates team (492),so 464 must be in col 3.

5. There are horizontal miscuts that tie Mantilla (524) to Alvis (520) to Davidson (519), so 519 must be in col 3 of the Mantilla row.

6. There is a vertical miscut with 462 above 519, so Barton (462) must be in col 3. There is also a vertical miscut with Griffith (502) above Barton (462), so 502 must also be in col 3.

So, it is estabished that the 7 cards in column 3 must be: 518, 464, 502, 462, 519, 529, & 492. We also know that 518 is in Bird Bombers row, Davidson (519) is in Mantilla row , Wagner (529) must be in Miller row,and Pirates team is in Check 7 (531) row.

7. That leaves the positions of 464, 502, and 462 "open".

a. There is a miscut of Pirates RS (472) with Mantilla below it, and a MC of 462 above 519, so 462 was placed in Pirates RS row.

b. There is a miscut of Perez above Pirates RS and a miscut of 502 above 462, so 502 was placed in the Perez row.

c. That forces 464 into Bell row. In addition, there is a miscut of of 464 above 492, and there is also a miscut of 527 (card at end of Bell row) that is above 497 (Campbell, card at end of check 7 row), so that placement of 464 dovetailed nicely.

8. For Durocher, there is a mc of 519-463, so the Tribe card was placed in col 4of the mantilla row, then the vertical mc of 481-463 was used to place Durocher in col 4 of the Pirates RS row.

Thanks to this image from eBay, proving Twins Rookies is to the right of Darrell Griffith, the process of elimination can now confirm Durocher is to the right of Barton and Helms is to the right of the Braves team.