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darkhorse9 03-10-2021 08:37 PM

The "tobacco cards were used as package stiffeners" myth
 
I'm not sure why people use the claim that T206 cards and similar tobacco cards were used to help stiffen the cigarette packages.

Tobacco cards didn't begin distribution until the Duke cigarette company developed the sliding box packaging around 1886. Other manufacturers like Kinney, Allen & Ginter, and Godwin quickly followed suit.

The packages were already firm with the box. The cards were purely for advertising and marketing and served no physical value to the pack.

samosa4u 03-10-2021 09:04 PM

Agreed. They only put those beautiful cards in there to make people buy more (and smoke more!)

TobaccoKing4 03-11-2021 05:02 AM

It was a marketing campaign to indoctrinate kids into smoking tobacco.

Directly 03-11-2021 06:30 AM

Could a current cigarette Co, reinsert vintage t-cards in their packs with possible HOF players ?-- maybe suggested retail 150.00-250.00 pack---?--I suppose a Bad ideal to attract new buyers !

Leon 03-11-2021 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse9 (Post 2079424)
I'm not sure why people use the claim that T206 cards and similar tobacco cards were used to help stiffen the cigarette packages.

Tobacco cards didn't begin distribution until the Duke cigarette company developed the sliding box packaging around 1886. Other manufacturers like Kinney, Allen & Ginter, and Godwin quickly followed suit.

The packages were already firm with the box. The cards were purely for advertising and marketing and served no physical value to the pack.

There were cards that came in very flimsy packs too. Not sure about the stiffening of said packs but that is what has always been thought. I am not sure it's a myth. I had a Pirates unopened pack, circa 1910s. It was a flimsy pack, not cardboard, and the card inside sure helped stiffen it on one side. That is not a myth. My guess is the cards were mostly for marketing though.

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tedzan 03-11-2021 07:04 AM

I disagree......the Kimball Tobacco Co. initially inserted blank cardboard stiffeners
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darkhorse9 (Post 2079424)
I'm not sure why people use the claim that T206 cards and similar tobacco cards were used to help stiffen the cigarette packages.

Tobacco cards didn't begin distribution until the Duke cigarette company developed the sliding box packaging around 1886. Other manufacturers like Kinney, Allen & Ginter, and Godwin quickly followed suit.

The packages were already firm with the box. The cards were purely for advertising and marketing and served no physical value to the pack.


Civil War veteran and Tobacco tycoon, William Smith Kimball, produced his cigarette brand in the Peerless Tobacco Works in Rochester, NY.
In 1867, Kimball took over this Tobacco Co. and transformed this factory using modern, more efficient cigarette manufacturing equipment
which by the 1880's was producing 750 Million cigarettes a year.
Originally, small rectangular pieces of BLANK cardboard were inserted in their packs as stiffeners. Kimball was one of the first
to have these pieces of cardboard printed with Sports images (N184)
.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...IMBALLpack.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LLpackBack.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...packONeill.jpg



Checklist printed on the back of the Kimball cards......

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yKIMBALLbk.jpg




TED Z

T206 Reference
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TobaccoKing4 03-11-2021 07:10 AM

I always thought this was an interesting read in regard to the T206 set..

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ll-card-mania/

Mark17 03-11-2021 08:15 AM

T205s are too thin to be much help in stiffening a pack of cigarettes. Thicker cards, or double-thick cards like folded T202s, maybe a different story.

slightlyrounded 03-11-2021 10:37 AM

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Imagine buying/opening a vintage tobacco pack from 1867 and pulling a blank? And we thought modern collecting was frustrating, lol!

A case can definitely be made that stiffening was part of the T206 job. Look at contemporary (1909-10) sets put out by ATC and it's clear that where harder packs were used, the paper stock on the associated cards was very thin. An example would be Murad T51s or Helmar T207s.

tedzan 03-11-2021 10:55 AM

T-card stiffeners
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark17 (Post 2079545)
T205s are too thin to be much help in stiffening a pack of cigarettes. Thicker cards, or double-thick cards like folded T202s, maybe a different story.


We have American Tobacco Co. documentation that instructs the Factory(s) to insert two T206 cards in each Cigarette pack.

Each card on each side of the Slide-Shell inside the pack.

I would assume this was also done with two T205 cards.



TED Z

T206 Reference
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ASF123 03-11-2021 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark17 (Post 2079545)
T205s are too thin to be much help in stiffening a pack of cigarettes. Thicker cards, or double-thick cards like folded T202s, maybe a different story.

I dunno, a fresh mint T205 Cobb would certainly stiffen the packages of a lot of folks around here...

Mark17 03-12-2021 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ASF123 (Post 2079675)
I dunno, a fresh mint T205 Cobb would certainly stiffen the packages of a lot of folks around here...

It certainly would be a hard core collector to have such a physical reaction to a bit of cardboard. :eek:

Leon 03-12-2021 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ASF123 (Post 2079675)
I dunno, a fresh mint T205 Cobb would certainly stiffen the packages of a lot of folks around here...

The older I get the more I like cards.

a mint T205 cobby might get me a little excited LOL....

https://luckeycards.com/tyt205.jpg


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