Nice card Adam!
Thanks for posting it. Jantz |
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Jantz, I'm always looking now !! Thanks for bringing these to my attention !!
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Adam!
Your a hounddog.....GREAT job:D, i always love your collecting focus, and your keen knowledge on 206.........i thought i was crazy following these around more than ten years ago:o
now i know i'm not alone.......these 2 namers fueled my freaky deakiness;) and continues to:D |
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Didn't think we had any but actually found one in the pile of trimmed cards. Lake/Lake (I guess it doesn't really have two names but I think it still works. ;)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...6lake-lake.jpg |
Maybe I just need to look harder...
Here are a couple more Cassidy/Cassidy and Nichols/Nichols and a third ghost image along for the ride. http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...doublet206.jpg |
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Guys - Reviving this old thread for a question if anyone can answer it : Why do we not see SLer's with 2 name cards ? Perhaps I have glossed over it, but I didn't see any in this thread. Obviously there are fewer numbers (48) from the set, but was wondering if anyone owns or has seen a SLer with 2 names on it ? If not, why ? Thanks & I will hang up and listen...
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If I may answer the last caller's question. You won't see many SL cards cut like that because of rarity+lack of subjects. They are out there though, just tough to find
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-GRADED-...p2047675.l2557 |
I agree completely with what John posted. I hope a few surface and are eventually shared in this thread.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-J.../s512/Lipe.jpg |
Brian...
great Zimmerman....can u post a back scan??:)
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Thanks John & Tim. I guess when you deduce the number of subjects to 48 and only 3 backs possible, relatively speaking, the cards would be "rare" or scarce to find a 2 name one card scenario... Just odd we don't see more of them... So unofficially the SL list is at 2 with McCauley & Lipe. 46 more to go...
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NashvilleBaseball/Jeremy - I've never seen a two different name SLer, but as shown by other members already, two same name SLers do exist.
McCauley and Lipe have already been mentioned. I can add Revelle to the list. By the way, all three of them have an Old Mill back. Maybe the White Er!ck mentioned has a OM back too. Also Jeremy, of all the two different name T206s found so far, none of them have a 460 series back. Jantz |
Hey Jantz,
I have a Shag and Molesworth.... both with OM backs... Be well Brian |
Foley White
Sold in the June 2012 Sterling Auction... someone got a steal as it cost me $100 raw. Just not quite enough name at the top for me.
http://www.sterlingsportsauctions.co...une330_lg.jpeg |
my first two name card and my last pick up. i dont have it in my hand now, but look like to have another Purtell name on top.
http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/11/52/54/64/purtel10.jpg http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/11/52/54/64/purtel11.jpg |
ok i'm guilty...
I'm guilty of getting sidetracked on this thread as well... but this is about "two name" cards which are T206s with two different player names. The cards shown recently (including the White I posted) are "double name" cards which are T206s with the same name twice.
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Oops, I thought we were posting all combinations to work towards trying to figure out the layout of the sheet. Sorry about that.
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Here are my Rossman miscuts. This thread can be used to help with sheet layouts, but double name miscuts won't help with that.
Rossman-Rossman is a double name Rossman-McBride is a two name |
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Here is a good article on a possible sheet layout, it is thought multiple examples were stacked three to four high.
http://www.t206resource.com/Article-...stique-34.html |
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If each '2-name' card has the same odds of being miscut to show 2 names (Steve or Tim would have to answer that question), then that's a 4-1 ratio - is that about what we've seen? |
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The likelihood of the same number being cut wrong depends on the order of the cuts. If they started by removing the edges then cut into strips by height or width, the chances are that the same cards would always be miscut since an error gets worse as the cuts progress. If the first card is off center or oversize by 1/64, the next cut will be off center by 1/32nd since it starts already off by 1/64th and the next cut adds the same error. In reality the errors that begin at one end would be much less. A more typical cutting sequence has the sheet being cut into blocks that are then cut progressively with the longer sides done last. But there's plenty of eveidence that T206s weren't cut with a consistent pattern, or sometimes with much accuracy. Diamond cuts are far more likely if you're doing the narrow ends last. On a job as big as T206s the cutting would have been done by more than one guy, some of them more skilled than others. The number of examples of the same card on each sheet I think is more than 4. It's at least 3. Sheet layouts that are entirely unbalanced are also possible if not likely. So there might be several rows of say 4 over 4 and then maybe a row of 6-8 of a popular player or star. Between the two name cards, the plate scratch, the registration layout marks, and a few other things I think it will eventually be possible to get very close to what a sheet might have looked like. Steve B |
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Unless they had multiple columns of the same player - which is possible of course- It works out the same.
In other words, if Spencer was only in one column, saying there are 3 Spencers in the column and 3 Spencers on the sheet is the same thing. I think that number is actually at least 4, maybe as much as 6. Steve B |
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I described the exact position of each card. If you can think of another position within a column that I missed, please describe, but I think my numbers are correct. |
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I think the number of each card in the column would be more than 3-4. with 3 you get edge card- name and wide blank margin middle card - two of the same name upper/lower card- two different names If it was three, I'd think the ones with different names would be much more common, roughly equal to the edge and same name cards. That's definetly not the ratio we see so far. Steve B |
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Again, per column, 1 physical card with 2 different names, and 4 physical cards with 2 of the same name. Given Tim's layout, it can't be anything else. Now, if you think Tim's layout is incorrect, then that's a different story. |
Steve, it may be an indication that there were 6+ of each player stacked based on the ratio we see of double names vs two names. We may learn as you mentioned that some players had 4 stacked and others 6 or more, maybe multiple columns of the same player on one sheet. Fun stuff :)
If we could confirm the print press or sheet size it would be a good base to start with. Jantz or Erick, is there a new Rossman or other example I need to add to list? |
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Chris - My total count to date of two-different name T206s is at 37.
Your grouping below is correct to my knowledge except we need to add Walsh/Lumley and Egan/Warhop to the grouping. No new Rossman that I'm aware of. Jantz |
Here's another with two names.... Both from Cleveland....Piedmont 150
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps2dd49135.jpg Be well Brian |
Nice card Brian, looks like Stovall, I'll work on it.
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Hi Chris,
Yes it is Stovall.... I will post another after dinner that is much tougher to guess... Be well Brian |
Lumley
Jantz,
Is the Walsh/Lumley the only Lumley combo to show up to date ? |
Brian - Nice card! Thanks for posting it. Looking forward to seeing the other card you have to post.
Adam - So far the Walsh/Lumley is the only combination I've seen with Lumley's name on it. Jantz |
Here's another.... Pied 350 Herzog/.......? I'm 99% sure I know the other player, but would like to see what everyone else thinks...
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps4a9210ac.jpg Be well Brian |
Brian
Is it Ritchey, Boston Nat'l? Jantz |
Concur
I concur with Jantz...
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Winner... Winner... Chicken Dinner....
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...an0037-1-1.jpg Be well Brian |
Love it !!
Brian, Love the no red !!
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Does anyone know if the other Rossman-McBride is a Piedmont as well. Interesting that the Rossman-Thomas is a Sweet Cap. http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1344738909http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1355602854 http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...34&postcount=5 |
Here's one I just picked up
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/m...DOUBLENAME.jpg |
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me too:D
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I found the scans of the Lundren/Ball, maybe it's me but this card doesn't look
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Two name card command a premium value ? According to you what is the premium for a two name card.. ? Same name on top and bottom
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