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rdwyer 05-05-2021 01:26 PM

Why I don't collect Modern stuff
 
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Disrespectful and stupid!

mrreality68 05-05-2021 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rdwyer (Post 2099781)
Disrespectful and stupid!

Hi

That is disrespectful but it is hard to see the picture clearly. What is this supposed to be. Where is this from? IS it for sale?
what is the purpose behind it

prestigecollectibles 05-05-2021 01:49 PM

It's a Topps Project 70 art card
https://www.topps.com/cards-collecti...y-dj-skee.html

<img alt="" src="http://www.prestigecollectibles.com/p70.jpg" />

mrreality68 05-05-2021 01:56 PM

Thanks for the better Picture

That is really bad IMO and it has many different artists doing it but if you collect all 20 cards and all by 1 artist according to the site

Purchase all 20 cards from any specific artist and receive an exclusive gold-stamped oversized print featuring all 20 cards!

Casey2296 05-05-2021 01:56 PM

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I like this kind of modern.
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bmattioli 05-05-2021 05:24 PM

The day when I can't go to a local store and buy a pack of cards to open for my collection is here I'm done. This year 2021 with all these so called shortages and limits I'm done..

BTW the card pictured here from OP is not what I collect.. Dumb IMO..

Eric72 05-05-2021 06:30 PM

It's a:

2021 / Project 70 / T206 / 1987 Topps / shades & jewelry / special orange slice version / Honus Wagner

At least it's not an NFT.

Peter_Spaeth 05-05-2021 06:50 PM

Disrespectful to whom exactly?

Snapolit1 05-05-2021 06:55 PM

I like it. Art is supposed to get a reaction from people. This isnít cutting up a jersey or something stupid. Itís an artistís interpretation of a
Classic card.

Snapolit1 05-05-2021 06:58 PM

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Beautiful.

Frankish 05-05-2021 06:58 PM

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I don't find that card attractive or interesting. On the other hand, I don't see how it's disrespectful. My own collection is 90+% vintage, but I have seen a few new cards I admire. I'm not willing to pay the freight for it, but I thought this one was very cool...

molenick 05-05-2021 08:35 PM

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I agree that I donít see this as being disrespectful and I echo the comment that at least no actual vintage item was destroyed to make the card. It's more a matter of whether this is the kind of thing you like.

If you want to see something disrespectful, look what someone did to an actual card. They took a 1990 Topps #2 Nolan Ryan (worth almost $1) and made it into a vaguely humorous piece of sort-of art. And then someone bought it and gave it to me because I often hum this song and they know I like baseball cards. And now I display it on my bookshelf because, while I do not collect modern cards, I think it is kind of funny.

The fact that there are new cards being made that you donít like, or are being sold in a way you don't like, should not affect your enjoyment of the part of the hobby you do like. As long as there is no deceit involved, I try not to get too worked up about what someone else is buying or selling.

The card the OP posted is not my cup of tea either so I will not be buying itÖalong with not buying millions of other cards available for sale (except for hopefully a couple of the cheaper ones in the Heritage auction).

Bigdaddy 05-05-2021 09:02 PM

In my best old man voice: "Ehhh....These young whipper-snappers have disrespected the honorable Honus Wagner, the greatest shortstop to ever field a ground ball and the holy grail of our cardboard worship. Who do they think they are? What's next, a color photo of the Babe?? Mr. Cobbs texting on an iphone? Today's kids wouldn't know a ballplayer from a buggy whip."

BTW, those Dr. J and Rapid Robert cards are cool, man.

steve B 05-05-2021 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddy (Post 2099931)
In my best old man voice: "Ehhh....These young whipper-snappers have disrespected the honorable Honus Wagner, the greatest shortstop to ever field a ground ball and the holy grail of our cardboard worship. Who do they think they are? What's next, a color photo of the Babe?? Mr. Cobbs texting on an iphone? Today's kids wouldn't know a ballplayer from a buggy whip."

BTW, those Dr. J and Rapid Robert cards are cool, man.

A color photo of the Babe is possible, even if one probably doesn't exist.
A color film of the Babe is also just barely possible, and also probably does not exist. (Oddly, a color photo would be possible of nearly all baseball players, although it didn't become common enough until the late 30's

Cobb would probably be using an I phone today, and would probably be texting about how he invested in these things back when they were the size of a shoebox and only made phone calls.

Bigdaddy 05-05-2021 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B (Post 2099942)
A color photo of the Babe is possible, even if one probably doesn't exist.
A color film of the Babe is also just barely possible, and also probably does not exist. (Oddly, a color photo would be possible of nearly all baseball players, although it didn't become common enough until the late 30's

Cobb would probably be using an I phone today, and would probably be texting about how he invested in these things back when they were the size of a shoebox and only made phone calls.

You know, I think there actually is some color film of the Babe in HBO's "When it was a Game" DVDs, though it's post-career. So disrespectful. ;)

BobbyVCP 05-06-2021 06:33 AM

I think the real purpose here is to introduce these great players of the past to this new generation of collectors...sometimes you need to do it in a way that they will connect.

ALBB 05-06-2021 06:48 AM

new
 
Mark Walburg in Rock Star .... " dont ever disrespect the music"....

What was the name of that fictional band ? Iron Butterfly ???

molenick 05-06-2021 06:50 AM

Iron Butterfly is a real band. Steel Dragon was the band in the movie.

jgannon 05-06-2021 06:58 AM

I don't think the card is so disrespectful as it, and other cards from the set are not really aesthetically appealing, nor what I'm into when it comes to collecting cards. I don't think they're an addition to the card canon, as it were. There are some modern cards, like the Feller posted above, that are really nice.

As far as "doing what it takes" to appeal to a younger generation, to me, doing something like this is talking down to prospective fans and/or collectors. Same thing with much about the game itself today, from the way the players dress, to 7-inning games and the 3-batter rule. I won't go into changes that I think could help the game, as it is off-topic.

Nothing wrong with an artist wanting to draw or paint something like this. I just would never want one.

skelly423 05-06-2021 07:06 AM

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Personally I've really enjoyed Project 70. Not every card appeals to me, but it's a real departure from the mass produced base sets with 15 different parallels and refractors. There are some really creative people doing some really cool things I've never seen on a baseball card before. I love that they're able to tip a cap to the history of the game and have some fun with it. The great part about the set is if you don't like this particular style, there is almost certainly an artist you will appreciate elsewhere in the set.

Take a look at what they've done with Willie Mays today; I guarantee you've never seen another baseball card like it.

molenick 05-06-2021 07:06 AM

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I found two other things for people not to like about this. The card is only available for a limited time and (to my eye at least) the script on the top can be read as both T206 and Tgod.

jgannon 05-06-2021 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by skelly423 (Post 2100014)
Personally I've really enjoyed Project 70. Not every card appeals to me, but it's a real departure from the mass produced base sets with 15 different parallels and refractors. There are some really creative people doing some really cool things I've never seen on a baseball card before. I love that they're able to tip a cap to the history of the game and have some fun with it. The great part about the set is if you don't like this particular style, there is almost certainly an artist you will appreciate elsewhere in the set.

Take a look at what they've done with Willie Mays today; I guarantee you've never seen another baseball card like it.

Well, if this is for real, this is disrespectful. Is this is what is considered cutting edge and hip? Sad.

egri 05-06-2021 07:40 AM

I don't think they're disrespectful. I think they're hideous, and don't want them in my collection, but I don't think bad art is necessarily disrespectful.

Snapolit1 05-06-2021 07:43 AM

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Agree. Who knows what Willie's response to it would be. Maybe he and his family would be highly amused by it. I have no clue.

Here's a cool one IMO. Captures the swag.

jgannon 05-06-2021 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by egri (Post 2100031)
I don't think they're disrespectful. I think they're hideous, and don't want them in my collection, but I don't think bad art is necessarily disrespectful.

Right. Just to further clarify my viewpoint about that Mays card. If an artist wanted to paint it, fine. I'm all for free expression. To put it on a card and mass produce it, I think is disrespectful to Mays.

BabyRuth 05-06-2021 08:04 AM

Love the Dr. J card, but I may be a little biased being a Umass Electrical Engineering Alum!!! A special thanks to the boys for bringing the NCAA hockey championship to Western Mass - way to go!!!!

Peter_Spaeth 05-06-2021 08:30 AM

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This is from last year's thing, most of the ones I have seen are awful but I love this one.

Yoda 05-06-2021 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles (Post 2099789)
It's a Topps Project 70 art card
https://www.topps.com/cards-collecti...y-dj-skee.html

<img alt="" src="http://www.prestigecollectibles.com/p70.jpg" />

Joe Biden would probably like the 'cool' Honus.

Wimberleycardcollector 05-06-2021 01:21 PM

Just plain weird but whatever floats your boat. Out of curiosity I wonder if Mays approved that image. I can totally see the racial police throwing a fit about that imagery. The art is well done on it though.

vansaad 05-06-2021 01:35 PM

This is the only Topps Project card I own. A beautiful card IMO. I've almost bought a few others that I thought were cool, but agree that many are just plain ugly. But I don't find any of them disrespectful, just not my particular taste. And I must admit, the Wagner got a chuckle out of me.

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-83f4...641789.jpg?c=1

rdwyer 05-06-2021 01:40 PM

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What, no pink dress?

Wimberleycardcollector 05-06-2021 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by vansaad (Post 2100153)
This is the only Topps Project card I own. A beautiful card IMO. I've almost bought a few others that I thought were cool, but agree that many are just plain ugly. But I don't find any of them disrespectful, just not my particular taste. And I must admit, the Wagner got a chuckle out of me.

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-83f4...641789.jpg?c=1

That is a beautiful card.

Frankish 05-07-2021 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by skelly423 (Post 2100014)
Personally I've really enjoyed Project 70. Not every card appeals to me, but it's a real departure from the mass produced base sets with 15 different parallels and refractors. There are some really creative people doing some really cool things I've never seen on a baseball card before. I love that they're able to tip a cap to the history of the game and have some fun with it....

Totally. I also think this is a direction (maybe one of many) that younger collectors are pushing the industry. My own eye is drawn to some of the beautiful "classic" design cards being released in other sets (the Project 2020 Jackie Robinson above, for instance), but based on sales I'm not in the majority. And I think it's pretty cool that sales/orders for each card are tracked.

My son, who turns 6 this summer, loves the Alex Pardee cards (the artist who did the Willie Mays above). So I picked up and Artist's Proof (out of 51 or something like that) of the Trout and Acuna cards. Those should make great cornerstones for a collection if he starts one. For myself, I picked up an artist's proof of the the Griffey Jr cards from Project 2020. That ones seems like it will be a classic, and I really loved to watch him play.

Eric72 05-07-2021 08:32 AM

Despite my previous feelings about Project 70, I do rather enjoy looking at that Acuna card

ASF123 05-07-2021 09:08 AM

Of the many things I don't understand about that Wagner card, the orange slice is the most baffling. Is that some sort of inside reference?

Frankish 05-07-2021 09:12 AM

I didn't get the orange slice, either. Over my head, I guess....

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Originally Posted by Eric72 (Post 2100386)
Despite my previous feelings about Project 70, I do rather enjoy looking at that Acuna card

That card is likely to become a classic. My son and all his friends love it. In fact, almost fifteen thousand cards were sold off the Topps website, which is pretty impressive at $20 a piece. I have no idea what the secondary market is like, but I expect a lot of people who missed the window are already chasing it.

jgannon 05-07-2021 04:29 PM

After seeing some posts of the other cards, I realize that the Mays Profject 70 card really isn't offensive, in that many cards in the set are similarly depicted. I only looked briefly at some other cards, and didn't realize fully what the set was about. Actually, I still need to look at more of it, and am still not sure what the set is all about, lol.

And I also have to say, that yes, the Honus Wagner card, when looked at in another light, is rather funny. All that said, I won't be seeking any of these cards for my personal collection!

Misunderestimated 05-07-2021 06:15 PM

It's all intended in fun... I may not like some of these renditions, or tributes, but I wouldn't call any of them "disrespectful"........I'm just not that easy to trigger...

jgannon 05-07-2021 06:32 PM

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Leon 05-08-2021 11:06 AM

Those are some creative cards.

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peanuts 05-08-2021 12:49 PM

How is this disrespectful in any way? Silly, for sure. But disrespectful?

It's an artist having some fun riffing on a classic image. It doesn't deface a real card. It keeps Honus' image in the eye of the hobby. It introduces T206 to a younger generation of collectors.

P2020 and P70 are fantastic happenings for the hobby. There's a lot of interesting takes on classic cards, creative interpretations of famous moments, edgy original art, and truly beautiful pieces that celebrate legends of the game. Yes, there are some misses Ė but that's all part of the discovery process!

todeen 05-08-2021 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2100082)
Joe Biden would probably like the 'cool' Honus.

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 2099888)
I like it. Art is supposed to get a reaction from people. This isnít cutting up a jersey or something stupid. Itís an artistís interpretation of a
Classic card.

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Originally Posted by ASF123 (Post 2100392)
Of the many things I don't understand about that Wagner card, the orange slice is the most baffling. Is that some sort of inside reference?

I find the Biden joke quite funny. Well done.

As for the orange slice, the theme of the Honus card is "Pirates," and in the US, our pirates were often in the Caribbean. So you can see palm fronds, oranges, and jewelry symbolizing his team name. I actually liked that aspect of the card.

I also agree with art causing reactions. It's well done if someone talks about it.

perezfan 05-08-2021 01:57 PM

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I kind of like them. They are reminiscent of the classic comic artwork of the great Wally Wood (Mad Magazine, Topps, etc.) I probably won't ever shell out for these cards, but they bring back fond childhood memories of many of Topps' Non-sports cards of the '60s (Insult Postcards, Ugly Stickers, etc.)

They say the past tends to repeat itself, and these are just a benign example of that (see pics below...)

I can see how these modern-version cards would lure kids into the hobby, and don't mind them at all. At least nobody is being misled, cheated, defrauded, or coerced to accept someone's new tenets!

bobbvc 05-10-2021 06:15 PM

Project
 
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Originally Posted by jgannon (Post 2100555)
After seeing some posts of the other cards, I realize that the Mays Profject 70 card really isn't offensive, in that many cards in the set are similarly depicted. I only looked briefly at some other cards, and didn't realize fully what the set was about. Actually, I still need to look at more of it, and am still not sure what the set is all about, lol.

And I also have to say, that yes, the Honus Wagner card, when looked at in another light, is rather funny. All that said, I won't be seeking any of these cards for my personal collection!

Check out the artists gallery on the Beckett site. It will put this set in a different light for you I'll bet. Personally not a fan of all the artists but when you see all of a particular artist's work you can respect it at least. When you see all 20 cards each artist does, it's really cool. (Go to artist gallery for Project 2020) Meanwhile check here....
https://www.beckett.com/news/topps-project70/

JeremyW 05-10-2021 06:23 PM

If that is art, I like it.

jgannon 05-11-2021 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbvc (Post 2101664)
Check out the artists gallery on the Beckett site. It will put this set in a different light for you I'll bet. Personally not a fan of all the artists but when you see all of a particular artist's work you can respect it at least. When you see all 20 cards each artist does, it's really cool. (Go to artist gallery for Project 2020) Meanwhile check here....
https://www.beckett.com/news/topps-project70/


Thanks, will check it out!


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