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chalupacollects 04-01-2021 06:41 AM

SO SGC just tripled its prices?
 
Email and Facebook post from $25 per card to $75 per card... Is it time for federal price gouging inquiry?

ullmandds 04-01-2021 06:43 AM

april fools i hope!!!

jjp3rd 04-01-2021 06:49 AM

I think theyíre trying to prevent all of the 2021 Topps commons submissions. It seems like the industry TPGs are trying to cool the market. Itís an interesting phenomena to see major players actively working to slow their growth.

I do wonder if I called and said I have 100+ prewar cards to sub if theyíd swing me a deal. I miss those $8-10 fees. Lol.


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ngrow9 04-01-2021 06:50 AM

No joke! https://gosgc.com/card-grading/services-pricing

Just my luck, was in the process of putting together a submission but planned to wait until the weekend!

hcv123 04-01-2021 06:54 AM

Sadly doesn't seem to be a joke!
 
Unless the SGC website is in on it! Glad I at least got off 1 submission yesterday. This is getting ridiculous!

Wid_Conroy 04-01-2021 07:08 AM

I have never had any problem with the price increases....

one month ago SGC made a grand announcement on their website via a letter making apologies and explaining how they invested in the business, and fixed x, y, z, and this is why they are different. the headline was "starting at $25".
now a month later its magically $75??? what a con. what appeared to be a well-thought out, organized business model, now looks deceptive.

Sorry SGC, you lost one of your greatest supporters.

Wid_Conroy 04-01-2021 07:11 AM

is this just an April Fools joke?

Johnny630 04-01-2021 07:14 AM

This is smart instead of suspending jack up the prices 3 fold, keep things moving. They don't want all the junk modern economy PSA Bulk Hold Overs coming their way.

Raising Prices Slightly Like PSA and SGC Did last month didn't slow anything, people didn't get it. Now They Will.

This is a nice way of telling people please stop sending us junk modern.

JK 04-01-2021 07:14 AM

That's got to be an April Fools Day joke.

hcv123 04-01-2021 07:16 AM

Snatching defeat from the arms of victory!!
 
Borrowed from Ryan (thanks Ryan - imitation is flattery) from a different thread.

I guess they don't understand that their cards sell for less than comparably graded PSA cards and their lower grading price was an equalizer. $25 difference isn't going to cut it on cards under $500. Really too bad.

Jcosta19 04-01-2021 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny630 (Post 2088226)
This is smart instead of suspending jack up the prices 3 fold, keep things moving. They don't want all the junk modern economy PSA Bulk Hold Overs coming their way.

Raising Prices Slightly Like PSA and SGC Did last month didn't slow anything, people didn't get it. Now They Will.

This is a nice way of telling people please stop sending us junk modern.

Agree 100%.
They decided to prioritize customer service/timeliness over a bulk money grab and bloated wait times again.

Can't win all around but they had to react. Although it does mean I won't be getting anything graded anytime soon now.

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realbigfatdog 04-01-2021 07:19 AM

Hey SGC, [emoji867]

Sincerely,
Mike Hornick

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Jcosta19 04-01-2021 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 2088229)
Borrowed from Ryan (thanks Ryan - imitation is flattery) from a different thread.



I guess they don't understand that their cards sell for less than comparably graded PSA cards and their lower grading price was an equalizer. $25 difference isn't going to cut it on cards under $500. Really too bad.

Not sure where you get the $25 difference from when PSA is not grading cards at that level at all now.

Edited - but I agree no one is going to submit for cards under $400.to $500.not worth it.

But I think that is the point..SGC doesn't want those cards right now.

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Johnny630 04-01-2021 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jcosta19 (Post 2088230)
Agree 100%.
They decided to prioritize customer service/timeliness over a bulk money grab and bloated wait times again.

Can't win all around but they had to react. Although it does mean I won't be getting anything graded anytime soon now.

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Absolutely This Was A Smart and Prudent Business Move....As a Collector I DON'T NEED OR HAVE TO SEND ANYTHING IN FOR GRADING TO ENJOY COLLECTING...

IMO THIS IS WEEDING OUT THE ONES ONLY IN IT FOR MONEY AND THE QUICK FLIP...IT"S GOTTEN WAY TO HYPER INFLATED DURING THE PAST 4 MONTHS NEEDS A CORRECTION THIS IS HEALTHY LONG TERM

JUST MY OPINION

Knoxy24 04-01-2021 07:29 AM

HGA grading about to blow up!

sportscardpete 04-01-2021 07:29 AM

Tough move but a smart move. Keeping those prices would have brought them back to square 1.

bobbyw8469 04-01-2021 07:34 AM

CSG about to blow up!

hcv123 04-01-2021 07:39 AM

Contrarian view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny630 (Post 2088233)
Absolutely This Was A Smart and Prudent Business Move....As a Collector I DON'T NEED OR HAVE TO SEND ANYTHING IN FOR GRADING TO ENJOY COLLECTING...

IMO THIS IS WEEDING OUT THE ONES ONLY IN IT FOR MONEY AND THE QUICK FLIP...IT"S GOTTEN WAY TO HYPER INFLATED DURING THE PAST 4 MONTHS NEEDS A CORRECTION THIS IS HEALTHY LONG TERM

JUST MY OPINION

To the contrary - I think this will put incredible upward price pressure on lower value cards (under $ ~$800 - anything already graded - is "worth" more overnight as the cost of grading the same card raw today just tripled. That could spill over into the raw market with people not wanting to pay the inflated prices for graded cards and create a spike in demand and likely spike in prices that hasn't been seen yet.

yanksfan09 04-01-2021 07:40 AM

I just donít get why the big established grading companies donít hire and train more people, itís been years now of bloated Wait times and increased submissions. Golden opportunity for some company to fill the void and pick up the slack. The demand is more than there.

Prince Hal 04-01-2021 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy (Post 2088223)
I have never had any problem with the price increases....

one month ago SGC made a grand announcement on their website via a letter making apologies and explaining how they invested in the business, and fixed x, y, z, and this is why they are different. the headline was "starting at $25".
now a month later its magically $75??? what a con. what appeared to be a well-thought out, organized business model, now looks deceptive.

Sorry SGC, you lost one of your greatest supporters.


+1

sportsnut25 04-01-2021 07:46 AM

Interesting tidbit from the release, which essentially blamed PSA's stoppage on the hike: "Over the last 24 hours, the number of cards submitted to SGC for grading has increased by over 500%."

Good news is this is, supposedly, temporary:

"Our entire team cares about how youíre feeling and we know that this means we will be 'pricing out' a large group of cards. Please understand that this is temporary and we will continue to build at an unmatched rate. Although I cannot pinpoint exactly when it will take place, SGC will be lowering our prices as soon as we feel we can effectively meet the demand."

hcv123 04-01-2021 07:57 AM

Hopefully also a wake up call for PSA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsnut25 (Post 2088245)
Interesting tidbit from the release, which essentially blamed PSA's stoppage on the hike: "Over the last 24 hours, the number of cards submitted to SGC for grading has increased by over 500%."

Good news is this is, supposedly, temporary:

"Our entire team cares about how youíre feeling and we know that this means we will be 'pricing out' a large group of cards. Please understand that this is temporary and we will continue to build at an unmatched rate. Although I cannot pinpoint exactly when it will take place, SGC will be lowering our prices as soon as we feel we can effectively meet the demand."

From their actions I surmise PSA believes they have a stranglehold on the market - a "service" that people are willing to just wait indefinitey for. Clearly if SGC's submissions went up 500% overnight, not as many "loyal" customers as PSA might believe. Really hope SGC can ramp up and capitalize on what might be a once in the company's lifetime opportunity.

Wid_Conroy 04-01-2021 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 2088237)
To the contrary - I think this will put incredible upward price pressure on lower value cards (under $ ~$800 - anything already graded - is "worth" more overnight as the cost of grading the same card raw today just tripled. That could spill over into the raw market with people not wanting to pay the inflated prices for graded cards and create a spike in demand and likely spike in prices that hasn't been seen yet.

not sure about this.... the people making these submissions and causing problems are flippers. the are grading Ja Morant pinked cracked ice young gun autos.
they are after endless profits in an endlessly rising market. if the market cracks, they will go away faster than they came.

Johnny630 04-01-2021 08:24 AM

Think this is Brutal wait for the National If we have it, I wouldn't be surprised to see $100 end of week for on site card grading and $500- $1000 same day.

Both Majors

jjp3rd 04-01-2021 08:25 AM

Their statement notes that the increase is temporary and is in response to their competitorís move.


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Wid_Conroy 04-01-2021 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince Hal (Post 2088239)
+1

now after seeing the letter from the CEO, I'll walk back my statement. i thought it was a money grab, but obviously they need to manage submissions.
no way I am paying $75, but if it is temporary I will just wait it out...

rjackson44 04-01-2021 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcv123 (Post 2088248)
From their actions I surmise PSA believes they have a stranglehold on the market - a "service" that people are willing to just wait indefinitey for. Clearly if SGC's submissions went up 500% overnight, not as many "loyal" customers as PSA might believe. Really hope SGC can ramp up and capitalize on what might be a once in the company's lifetime opportunity.

I just buy cards from howard and avoid all this smile

Republicaninmass 04-01-2021 08:48 AM

They got 10 cards in last night instead of 2!

Marchillo 04-01-2021 09:37 AM

I still have my 10 free submissions from being a member at SGC a couple years back. I was told there was no expiration. I wonder if this is still the case. Maybe I'll call them in a couple of days - I am sure they will be slammed today.

Frank A 04-01-2021 10:01 AM

I just went on the GMA site and they have raised their prices a little. Also their wait times have gone up a little. Looks like the hobby is very strong right now.

buymycards 04-01-2021 10:25 AM

Sgc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 2088271)
They got 10 cards in last night instead of 2!

Their previous message said they have been receiving 3000 cards per day, it looks like they took a jump to 15,000 all at once.

Exhibitman 04-01-2021 10:25 AM

On its face it seems like a price gouge but on second view it looks like a pretty smart marketing strategy designed to position the brand while PSA is suspended. Give priority to pricey cards and make your name with those customers with timely service for the next three months rather than be swamped with cut-rate submissions and piss off everyone who read your ads about turn times. It is actually a great idea, especially if it enables them to place high value cards in auctions between now and July and end up with (ideally) record prices for SGC slabs. When the proverbial puppy works through the PSA python and they come back on line, SGC then decides whether to open lower tiers of service or let the bargain basement trade go to the other TPGs and remain an elite service. We do it with every other brand. I usually get groceries at a store which is cheap but a PITA to shop at, but when I need something quick I go to a high end grocer because I know I can get in and out with ease.

Section103 04-01-2021 11:45 AM

They certainly did. I had a submission that Ive been working on for awhile now and the prices went $175 to $525. Just no way I'll be submitting at that cost. I can wait until they lower their prices. I know this is exactly what they want to happen, but as mentioned before, PSA/SGC/Other needs to look into other long-term solutions. The money is there - absolutely.

deadballera 04-01-2021 11:57 AM

luckily - I beat this increase. sent a few cards off earlier in the week at the 'Old' prices.

TobaccoKing4 04-01-2021 12:02 PM

This is all just going to end up getting passed on to the "retail" pricing of the cards. They already weeded out the low end raising prices to $25...all this is going to do is inflate the prices of desirable cards.

VintageBen 04-01-2021 12:15 PM

one way to fix it immediately: Buy cards that are already graded!!!

Wimberleycardcollector 04-01-2021 12:24 PM

Better yet don't collect graded cards at all. LOL. Ah, the joy of just enjoying the hobby the way it used to be before grading. All that money I save on grading I use to buy more cards. :)

Peter_Spaeth 04-01-2021 12:52 PM

Maybe the era of $1 cards in 10 holders for crazy prices will wind to a close, mercifully.

chadeast 04-01-2021 01:25 PM

This had better be a joke! And I thought that $25/card was going to be the death of collecting graded sets. Now it's drawn, quartered, and burned to ashes. I am sitting on 30+ PSA graded '33 Goudey commons with an SGC order loaded and waiting for a special to send in for crossover, because I thought that $25 per card was too much. So much for that plan.

conor912 04-01-2021 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadeast (Post 2088399)
This had better be a joke! And I thought that $25/card was going to be the death of collecting graded sets. Now it's drawn, quartered, and burned to ashes. I am sitting on 30+ PSA graded '33 Goudey commons with an SGC order loaded and waiting for a special to send in for crossover, because I thought that $25 per card was too much. So much for that plan.

Itís certainly an inflection point. A lot of people are going to have to dig deep for how important slabs are to them.

BabyRuth 04-01-2021 02:07 PM

and to think 3 short years ago I got my 33 and 34 Goudey sets all graded for $5/card from SGC!!!

Johnny630 04-01-2021 02:14 PM

Everyone Bi&ching And Moaning Just think About It This Way all the PSA And SGC Cards you guys have are now theoretically worth more.... Winning !

Exhibitman 04-01-2021 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wimberleycardcollector (Post 2088377)
Better yet don't collect graded cards at all.

Look, if you're gonna be logical you will take all the fun out of the whining. We're Americans: we need a good daily whine.

charlietheexterminator 04-01-2021 02:22 PM

They could have doubled the grading fee to $50 and I wouldnít use them, making it $75, they lost a customer. I gave them thousands last year and Iím just one collector. Iím not a raw guy, I like my cards graded, from now on, I will buy graded

Johnny630 04-01-2021 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2088419)
Look, if you're gonna be logical you will take all the fun out of the whining. We're Americans: we need a good daily whine.

Lmao 🤣🤣🤣

JollyElm 04-01-2021 02:51 PM

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Republicaninmass 04-01-2021 04:15 PM

Same BS, different companies.

IF ANYONE submits at the new rate, they will never lower the price.


Why would they? If 33% of people submit, the work load is less, and the big greedy corporation is ahead of the game.


Like all these "covid related increases" you think they will just go back to regualr price.

It's price gouging plain and simple oh based on demand though!

Tabe 04-01-2021 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yanksfan09 (Post 2088238)
I just donít get why the big established grading companies donít hire and train more people, itís been years now of bloated Wait times and increased submissions. Golden opportunity for some company to fill the void and pick up the slack. The demand is more than there.

Combination of the job requiring a fair amount of training and what I assume is relatively low pay.

vintagebaseballcardguy 04-01-2021 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2088388)
Maybe the era of $1 cards in 10 holders for crazy prices will wind to a close, mercifully.

This.

chadeast 04-01-2021 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2088388)
Maybe the era of $1 cards in 10 holders for crazy prices will wind to a close, mercifully.

If that's the goal, they could have at least kept pre-1980 cards at $15. How about pre-1945? Throw us a bone, SGC! We are probably nothing but a tiny ripple in the tsunami that has apparently consumed them.


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