1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Due to several requests, I am starting this Survey in order to identify which cards (if not all 50 Subjects) in<br /> the N162 set are found with the "GEO. HARRIS & SONS, LITH. PHILA." TradeMark (TM).<br /><br />What prompted this exercise is the current Mastro Auction (Lot #1, N162 set with NO TM cards) that makes<br /> the claim that......"This format is virtually unknown to United States hobbyist."<br /><br />I beg to differ....I have an N162 set with NO TM; and, I contend that a complete N162 set with all 50 cards<br />WITH the TM is undeniably the RARE version. This set's TM cards are much tougher to find than the NO TM.<br /> For 18 years I have been trying to complete a 2nd set with the TM on all 50 cards....so far, I have only 26.<br /> Furthermore, there remains an uncertainty that all these 50 cards were printed with the TM.<br />Therefore, I have initiated this Survey.<br /> <br /><br /><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/abn162ansonkelly.jpg"> <br />_________________________________________________ ____/\_______________/\________<br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/bharrissonslithotm.jpg"><br /><br /><br />The following 33 - N162's have been confirmed with the TM......<br /><br />UPDATED 8/19/08<br /><br />Acton..............Wrestler<br />Albert..............Pedestrian<br />Andrews...........Baseball<br />Anson..............Baseball<br />Beecher............Football<br />Buffalo Bill Cody....Wild West Hunter<br />Caruthers..........Baseball<br />Daly.................Billiards<br />Dempsey...........Pugilist<br />D'Oro................Pool<br />Fitzgerald..........Pedestrian<br />Gandaur............Oarsman<br />Glasscock..........Baseball<br />Keefe................Baseball<br />Kelly.................Baseball<br />McLaughlin........Jockey<br />Mitchell.............Pugilist<br />Muldoon.............Wrestler<br />Myers................Runner<br />Prince...............Bicyclist<br />Rowe.................Bicyclist<br />Schaefer............Billiards<br />Sears................Lawn Tennis<br />Sexton..............Billiards<br />Slosson.............Billiards<br />Jem Smith..........Pugilist<br />Steinmetz..........Chess<br />Stevens.............Bicyclist<br />Sullivan..............Pugilist<br />Vignaux..............Billiards<br />Chas. Wood........Bicyclist<br />Teemer..............Oarsman<br />Zukertort...........Chess<br /><br /><br /><br />Incidently, you can see the same high quality of color lithography that the Geo. Harris & Sons Litho. did in<br /> producing the various Bird cards (circa 1889) that were inserted in the Allen & Ginter Cigarette packs. <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/agbirdsoftropics.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br />OK, guys and gals....we have us another Survey going on here....please chime in with you inputs on your<br />N162 cards. Preferably, just the ones with the TM printed on their backs. And, let's see if we can confirm<br /> the remaining 17 cards ?<br /><br /><br />Edited to update the confirmed TM list. <br /><br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br /><br /><br />

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Craig H</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I have 14 N162s and 9 of them have the TM on the back. And a few of them are ones you didn't have listed: <br /><br />Acton--Wrestler<br />Fitzgerald--Pedestrian<br />Prince--Bicyclist<br />Teemer--Oarsman<br />Zukertort--Chess<br /><br />Craig H

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>CRAIG H<br /><br />Thanks very much for your inputs. I have added them to my confirmed list.<br /><br />I believe we can eventually confirm all 50 Subjects with the TM.<br /><br />So, Net54er's....how about it ? Show or tell us about your N162 cards with the TRADEMARK line ? ?<br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>As previously stated my only N162, Kelly, does not have the trademark....Good luck in the quest. I know many Net54'ers have some of these so hope they will chime in. regards

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>Ted, nice work! Great topics like this are what make this board worth reading.

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Scott M.</b><p>Hi Ted,<br /><br />You already have this information but my lone N162 is Andrews and he does have the trademark on the back.<br /><br />Scott

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks to two Net54 readers, we have 4 additional N162's confirmed with the TM line.....we now have 37.<br /> <br />Due to several requests, I am starting this Survey in order to identify which cards (if not all 50 Subjects) in<br /> the N162 set are found with the "GEO. HARRIS & SONS, LITH. PHILA." TradeMark (TM).<br /><br />What prompted this exercise is the current Mastro Auction (Lot #1, N162 set with NO TM cards) that makes<br /> the claim that......"This format is virtually unknown to United States hobbyist."<br /><br />I beg to differ....I have an N162 set with NO TM; and, I contend that a complete N162 set with all 50 cards<br />WITH the TM is undeniably the RARE version. This set's TM cards are much tougher to find than the NO TM.<br /> For 18 years I have been trying to complete a 2nd set with the TM on all 50 cards....so far, I have only 26.<br /> Furthermore, there remains an uncertainty that all these 50 cards were printed with the TM.<br />Therefore, I have initiated this Survey.<br /> <br /><br /><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/abn162ansonkelly.jpg"> <br />_________________________________________________ ____/\_______________/\________<br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/bharrissonslithotm.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The following 37 - N162's have been confirmed with the TM......<br /><br />UPDATED 8/20/08<br /><br />Acton..............Wrestler<br />Albert..............Pedestrian<br />Andrews...........Baseball<br />Anson..............Baseball<br />Beecher............Football<br />Brouthers..........Baseball<br />Buffalo Bill Cody....Wild West Hunter<br />Caruthers..........Baseball<br />Daly.................Billiards<br />Dempsey...........Pugilist<br />D'Oro................Pool<br />Dunlap..............Baseball<br />Fitzgerald..........Pedestrian<br />Gandaur............Oarsman<br />Glasscock..........Baseball<br />Keefe................Baseball<br />Kelly.................Baseball<br />McLaughlin........Jockey<br />Mitchell.............Pugilist<br />Muldoon.............Wrestler<br />Myers................Runner<br />Prince...............Bicyclist<br />Rowe.................Bicyclist<br />Rowell................Pedestrian<br />Schaefer............Billiards<br />Sears................Lawn Tennis<br />Sexton..............Billiards<br />Slosson.............Billiards<br />Jem Smith..........Pugilist<br />Steinmetz..........Chess<br />Stevens.............Bicyclist<br />Sullivan..............Pugilist<br />Vignaux..............Billiards<br />Teemer..............Oarsman<br />Chas. Wood........Bicyclist<br />Wood................Jockey<br />Zukertort...........Chess<br /><br /><br /><br />Incidently, you can see the same high quality of color lithography that the Geo. Harris & Sons Litho. did in<br /> producing the various Bird cards (circa 1889) that were inserted in the Allen & Ginter Cigarette packs. <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/agbirdsoftropics.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br />OK, guys and gals....we have us another Survey going on here....Please show or tell us of your N162 cards.<br />Preferably, just the ones with the TM printed on their backs. And, let's see if we can confirm the remaining<br />13 cards ? <br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I knew you would have Andrews......as he is a Phillies player.<br /><br /> Is he the 1st color BB card of a Phillies player in a major set ?<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks to a Net54 reader, we have one more to add to the Trademark (TM) list of N162's......<br /><br />Emil Voss......The Strongest Man in the World.....(as touted to be in 1888). <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/an162emilvoss.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br />Now we have confirmed 38 cards with the TM....so, there are 12 remaining and I'm confident<br /> that we will find that all 50 Subjects in the N162 set were printed with the TM.<br /><br />So, how about it....you N162 collectors on this Forum....let's get your inputs ?<br /><br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br /><br /><br />

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>Does anyone have any idea what the distribution between the TM and non-TM cards might be? Any logical guesses?

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Scott M.</b><p>I guess it depends on your definition of card, etc...<br /><br />If you consider the 1887 Tobins series as cards then this card which depicts Charlie Ferguson might be considered the first color card depicting a Phillies player?<br /><br /><img src="http://home.comcast.net/~jillmay5/baseball/Type/1887_Tobin_Ferguson.JPG"><br /><br />Otherwise, I would guess any Phillies player from the Buchner N284 set would qualify as it was issued in 1887 before N28 and N162 the following year.<br /><br /><img src="http://home.comcast.net/~jillmay5/baseball/Type/N284_Buchner_Casey_Front.JPG"><br /><br />

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>So far, the input data from this thread, and the prior thread, and my recorded data<br /> on this TM vs NO TM is......<br /><br /><br />415 = NO TM<br /><br />107 = TM<br />____<br />522 = total cards<br /><br /><br />107/522 = 20.5 % of the sampling, to date, have the TM line.<br /><br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Richard Masson</b><p>13/50 have the TM in my set.<br />The following have a TM and are not yet included on your list:<br />Murphy, jockey<br />Captain Bogardus, marksman<br />Mackenzie, chess<br />Kilrain, pugilist<br />Beach, oarsman<br />Carrison, jockey<br />Wood, jockey

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thank you very much for your inputs to this survey. These cards increase the list of confirmed N162's<br /> with the TM to 44 subjects.<br /><br />TED Z<br />

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Confirmed list of N162 Subjects with TRADEMARK line.<br /><br />UPDATED 8/23/08......44 cards<br /><br />Acton..............Wrestler<br />Albert..............Pedestrian<br />Andrews...........Baseball<br />Anson..............Baseball<br />Beach..............Oarsman<br />Beecher............Football<br />Captain Bogardus....Marksman<br />Brouthers..........Baseball<br />Buffalo Bill Cody......Wild West Hunter<br />Carrison............Jockey<br />Caruthers..........Baseball<br />Daly.................Billiards<br />Dempsey...........Pugilist<br />D'Oro................Pool<br />Dunlap..............Baseball<br />Fitzgerald..........Pedestrian<br />Gandaur............Oarsman<br />Glasscock..........Baseball<br />Keefe................Baseball<br />Kelly.................Baseball<br />Kilrain...............Pugilist<br />Mackenzie.........Chess<br />McLaughlin........Jockey<br />Mitchell.............Pugilist<br />Muldoon.............Wrestler<br />Murphy..............Jockey<br />Myers................Runner<br />Prince...............Bicyclist<br />Rowe.................Bicyclist<br />Rowell................Pedestrian<br />Schaefer............Billiards<br />Sears................Lawn Tennis<br />Sexton..............Billiards<br />Slosson.............Billiards<br />Jem Smith..........Pugilist<br />Steinitz.............Chess<br />Stevens.............Bicyclist<br />Sullivan..............Pugilist<br />Vignaux..............Billiards<br />Teemer..............Oarsman<br />Voss..................Strongest Man<br />Chas. Wood........Bicyclist<br />Wood................Jockey<br />Zukertort...........Chess<br /><br /><br />The remaining six Subjects still needed to be confirmed are......<br /><br />Beeckman...........Lawn Tennis<br />Dwight...............Lawn Tennis<br />Hanlan...............Oarsman<br />Page..................High Jumper<br />Ross..................Swordsman<br />Taylor................Lawn Tennis<br /><br /><br />Thanks to all who have contributed to survey. Now, let's get the final six ?<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>I have (7) BB and (5) non-BB N162 cards. None have a TM.

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks to a Net54 reader....we are left with only 4 subjects to be confirmed with the TM.<br /><br />Confirmed list of N162 Subjects with TRADEMARK line.<br /><br />UPDATED 8/27/08......46 cards<br /><br />Acton..............Wrestler<br />Albert..............Pedestrian<br />Andrews...........Baseball<br />Anson..............Baseball<br />Beach..............Oarsman<br />Beecher............Football<br />Captain Bogardus....Marksman<br />Brouthers..........Baseball<br />Buffalo Bill Cody......Wild West Hunter<br />Carrison............Jockey<br />Caruthers..........Baseball<br />Daly.................Billiards<br />Dempsey...........Pugilist<br />D'Oro................Pool<br />Dunlap..............Baseball<br />Fitzgerald..........Pedestrian<br />Gandaur............Oarsman<br />Glasscock..........Baseball<br />Hanlan..............Oarsman<br />Keefe................Baseball<br />Kelly.................Baseball<br />Kilrain...............Pugilist<br />Mackenzie.........Chess<br />McLaughlin........Jockey<br />Mitchell.............Pugilist<br />Muldoon.............Wrestler<br />Murphy..............Jockey<br />Myers................Runner<br />Page.................High Jumper<br />Prince................Bicyclist<br />Rowe.................Bicyclist<br />Rowell................Pedestrian<br />Schaefer............Billiards<br />Sears................Lawn Tennis<br />Sexton..............Billiards<br />Slosson.............Billiards<br />Jem Smith..........Pugilist<br />Steinitz.............Chess<br />Stevens.............Bicyclist<br />Sullivan..............Pugilist<br />Vignaux..............Billiards<br />Teemer..............Oarsman<br />Voss..................Strongest Man<br />Chas. Wood........Bicyclist<br />Wood................Jockey<br />Zukertort...........Chess<br /><br /><br />The remaining four Subjects still needed to be confirmed are......<br /><br />Beeckman...........Lawn Tennis<br />Dwight...............Lawn Tennis<br />Ross..................Swordsman<br />Taylor................Lawn Tennis<br /><br /><br />Thanks to all who have contributed to survey. Now, let's get the final 4 ?<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

1889 Goodwin's (N162) TRADEMARK......SURVEY
 

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Beeckman (Lawn Tennis) has been confirmed.<br /><br />Only 3 more to be confirmed......<br /><br />Dwight...............Lawn Tennis<br />Ross..................Swordsman<br />Taylor................Lawn Tennis<br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />