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Players I won't collect? Not sure of any, haven't given it a ton of thought yet. . |
No one for me. There are plenty of living people that I find repugnant enough that I'd prefer to avoid them, but that doesn't impact which cards I buy. Probably most of the players in my collection I'd find personally objectionable if I knew enough about them. Obviously, some are worse than others, but when one stops believing in contra-causal free will, one also stops holding people morally accountable for their character.
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They work for all areas of the game. The biggest hurdle in defeating the use of PED's is because they work. As for someone like Gwynn, someone explained above that if you hit more fly balls, then PED will have them go further and turn into more HR. If you hit more ground balls then PED use will have them hit harder and turn them into more singles/doubles. It isn't just about power. Hitting a ground ball at 90 MPH up the middle may or may not get caught by a SS. Hitting that same ball at 98 MPH will increase the chances that it will not get caught. PED use allows you to increase your bat speed. Increased bat speed gives you a hair longer to see a pitch. Increased bat speed means the ball comes off the bat with more velocity. Those aspects most certainly can help a batting average. Whether Gwynn did them or not I don't know. |
I was on the sidelines for a long time trying to decide whether to buy any cards of the disreputable Hal Chase, but finally pulled the trigger on his T205 left ear shows, which i think is just a beautiful card. As Peter rightly says, "stuff trumps all".
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Also want to add to the point above that if someone like Gwynn is not an avid weightlifter ands takes PED, it does not mean he isn't doing resistance training. Swinging a bat is resistance training. Running is resistance training. Of course calisthenics are too. They may not make your body explode in muscle mass like a more efficient weight training program, but they are going to make your muscles increase their capabilities at what they are doing.
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If the person is in a set, they get collected within the set. I really only collect one player over and above a set and that is Frank Howard. I am reasonably sure I am in safe territory here.
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I guess what it is for me is whether the character distracts from the item. I can't see a Michael Jackson item w/o thinking "pedo", so I am not interested in having one of his cards. I have a Woody Allen autograph and there is an 'ick' factor every time I look at it. I also stopped looking for a Bill Cosby signature for my comedians collection, though if I could get it on a roofie box...maybe.
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I relish the history of the game and accept a lot of the conflict that has been seen over the generations. I love that I learn and even contemplate life when I look back upon some people that clearly have or had values that were different than mine. I would rather discuss some of the stains that our (fallen) heroes have had than to completely erase them. I can separate my childhood admiration for a phenomenal football player like OJ Simpson and the decisions that he made later in life which appear horrific. I look at Cap Anson and I appreciate the baseball player but am saddened and contemplate what might cause someone to hate others for no reason other than the color of their skin.
Baseball is a microcosm of life itself. Many of these players were put into the spotlight at a very young age because of their athleticism. Hopefully many of them learned things over the course of life like the rest of us have tried to do. With all this being said I have no interest in collecting new cards of any athlete that thinks he or she can preach to society because they are a phenomenal athlete. Being the greatest basketball player of a given generation, does not make that players political, societal, religious etc. views important to me. I would rather listen to a group of men and women in a nursing home share their wisdom than to hear it from an entitled athlete, movie star, politician etc. Rick Johnson |
I can’t imagine making up a scenario in my mind that causes me to hate someone or something so much that I wouldn’t communicate with a friend about that thing.
That’s beyond weird. |
You all will remember my Hal Chase story, and how I was thoroughly vilified. Nevertheless, when it comes to Chase, "For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
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This is a fascinating thread. I don't have any specific players in my baseball collection that I specifically exclude. The people I find objectionable (Cap Anson, Josh Hamilton, Gregg Zaun, etc) played in eras I don't collect.
In a previous lifetime, when I collected hockey I refused to buy Bobby Hull singles. If I was building a set that needed one, I'd go out of my way to make his the ugliest, most beat up card I could find. It was a petty level of disrespect for a player I felt deserved it. |
None for me. I don't like to judge people of the past through today's moral compass lens, even if I don't agree with their actions. What societal norms of today will be looked upon harshly in 100 years?
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There are players I'm not interested in, but there is no one I would refuse to buy for moral or ethical reasons. Baseball cards and memorabilia are historical artifacts, and players are historical figures. History and historical figures include good, bad and complicated, and all people have attractive and unattractive sides.
Sometimes it is a person's bad or imperfect side that makes them fascinating. |
Interesting question re OJ Simpson: CTE? Maybe we will find out some day.
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What if the wackadoo claims to have PSA 5's that "identify" as PSA 8's? :D:D:D |
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Avoiding someone entirely? Nope.
Naturally my bias for or against certain players (on and off the field, though never about political affiliations) will lead to focusing more or less on their cards. But never to the point where they affect me enough to ban someone from a collection |
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Trevor Bauer for me. I guess there's a chance he is innocent, and he only beat up that woman because she asked for it, but even that best case scenario doesn't make me want to grab his cards. Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk |
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I would posit that one should look at the evidence, of which there was none that Bauer was guilty and considerable that the allegation was a lie, before assuming guilt but I know how this board feels about using an evidentiary basis ;)
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Collecting versus buying are different things. Would I buy a Barry Bonds card? Yes. Would start a collection of Barry Bonds cards? No.
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Considering the previous discussion in this very thread about lynching…. Just wow. |
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I edited my original post (memorialized and quoted above) bc it’s politics talk and I should not talk politics on a baseball card site. |
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Wasn’t talking to you. And BTW the constitution (not me) declares treason a crime and federal law states that death is a proper punishment for treason
I get your opinion of me. Its mutual. Move on |
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I have held off this one for awhile, thought I'd weigh in:
1) There are players whose cards I don't want in my collection. 2) There are also people I wouldn't buy from/trade with, even if to my advantage, because I don't care for them. Speaking of which, be careful RHotchkiss. The first (and only) rule of G1911 Fightclub, is that he is ALWAYS right. He just loves to play this game of one-upmanship, while blissfully unaware he's the only one in the contest. Enjoy your wonderful collection and forget about him, you'll live longer:) Trent King |
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Seeing that our political discourse seems to be in a downward spiral, and wanting to not be a part of the problem, I’ve been experimenting with a different approach personally. Naturally, there are any number of politicians that I can’t stand. Comes with the territory if it’s something that matters to you and you care deeply about. But rather than focus on everything that I really can’t stand about them, I’ve begun to focus on the things that I like about them. Sometimes it’s a short list. Sometimes it takes me a while to think long and hard until I can identify the things that I do like. But even with some that drive me nuts, I can usually find something positive to say, and celebrate those successes for our country. I’ve found that by focusing on the positive, I’m a lot less negative about politics, and I find it’s easier to find my own zen when discussing politicians with others. Thus far, it has worked wonders when I’ve engaged in conversations with heated partisans who vehemently disagree with my own political views. Along these lines, I’ve also stopped voting for and financially supporting politicians who insist on engaging in pandering to their base and demonizing the opposing candidate or party. Naturally, the list of candidates that make the cut is a bit shorter this way. It may not be a panacea, but by following this approach, I feel just a little bit better about being part of the solution, rather than perpetuating and magnifying our current lack of civility in politics. |
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Anyway, sorry to get political. I will not be collecting Trump stuff bc of morals. I should have left it at that Thanks for note Trent, much appreciated (sincerely) |
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G1911- I'm not "obsessed" with you by any definition of the term. You're the
type who needs to be backed down whenever you display internet muscles and, frankly, it amuses me to think of you furiously typing while adjusting your pocket protector and smelling your favorite sabermetrics book. Now then, I've got a life, so you go ahead and fire away, sunshine:) Trent King |
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I have a couple John Whettland Items I do not display anymore. Both are 1996 Yankee items.
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For me it's just OJ.
I still cringe whenever I see one of his cards or collectibles. |
Agree on OJ also…..tough dilemma as I only own one OJ card and it’s part of a set - 1970 Kellogg’s Football - just love the set - I am a set guy and have a bunch of non regular issue sets that I really love….this ‘70 set along with ‘70 Kellogg’s baseball set are two of my favorites from that era….I just make believe the card is not part of the set….
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I collect cards of athletes. I don’t care what tobacco ad is on the back of a T206. It’s the player and what they did on the field between the lines that matters to me in my collection.
Pete Rose is a schmo. We all know that OJ killed those people. Mickey Mantle was a drunk who once said that his greatest baseball thrill was getting a blow job under the bleachers. Billy Martin was a raging alcoholic. Curt Schilling may not get into the HOF for his political views, etc. I don’t care. Pete Rose was one of the greatest players of all time. OJ was a HOF running back. Mantle was a Yankee legend. Billy Martin was one of the greatest managers I ever saw. Schilling was a 3x WS winner with 216 wins under his belt. I have to work with people every day with the crappiest, oh let’s just call them “personal attributes”. These are people I certainly won’t be inviting over to my house for a cookout….but I have to only concern myself with their work. I can’t judge them for their political stance, sexual preference or if they cheat on their wives. I treat sports card collecting the same. |
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