What's gone down in price?
 

Many many posts about price inflation, wild speculation, investors pushing prices higher and higher, crash coming, etc.

Tell me something that has gone down in price in the last two years. Just curious.

A lot of stuff I buy hasn’t changed much, but actually gone down? I’m hard pressed to think of a single example. With the $$ flowing in and large inflation, I unfortunately haven’t noticed anything decreasing in absolute value. I sure wish it would happen.

Post-war commons and high numbers I’ve been getting at the same prices as before. Set builders are a dying breed it seems. A lot of lower grade stuff hasn’t moved much or at all on the C and B tier of hall of famers.

I don't think much, if anything, is down from 2 years ago, but Jordan cards are way down from their 2021 highs. Most vintage basketball too. PSA 7-8 cards of 60s baseball stars also seem to be a fair bit lower than they were earlier this year.

The really high end or scarce stuff seems to be holding steady if not stronger.

Rickey Henderson PSA 9’s Jeter SP Rookie

I've noticed a lot of off/low grade 50s HOFers have come down in price a bit since last year. Those and the like 2nd and 3rd tier pre war stuff has come down a bit as well.

I get slaughtered on everything I want. Sigh.

51 bowman mantle
52 topps mantle.
55 topps koufax, clemente
54 topps aaron
Pretty much across the board.

These are not down from their price two years ago. Not even close.

Some items spiked and then went back to previous values. But if you just take the price from 2 years ago and compare to the price now, not much in baseball cards is worth less.

Last 2 years. Not 2 years prior
It was down from the peak.

‘55 Bowman raw?
 

I have been picking these up pretty cheap lately, got a lower grade Mantle for $125, and a Mays before that for $75. It may be because I’m ok with some wear but I am always surprised that they don’t match Topps prices.

IMO we are seeing the FOMO leveling off in response to the volume of cards offered. REA has seven Aaron RCs, 11 Clemente RCs, 8 Koufax RCs. That's not unusual on practically a weekly basis with all of the AHs now. That isn't sustainable in terms of rising prices. The Jordan thing is even worse. Most of the Jordan cards are down 40%-50% since their peaks. A little more sustained weakness and I will go shopping to replace the Jordan cards I sold into the run up.

Once you close the door on the truly iconic cards (1952 T Mantle, 1979 Gretzky, 1986 F Jordan, etc.) from the postwar mainstream, which move seemingly without regard to anything else, it is all just supply meeting demand.

I think the interesting thing will be to ask this question again in 6-12 months. Right now, two years ago is November 2019. When the reference is summer 2020, the answer might be different.

Off-centered cards

2021 Jan-August 21 was the peak....I think we are coming down.

Regrading Jordan, you have to wonder how real some of those highs were.

If one looks at modern cards, they'll find dozens of "can't miss" prospects which can be had for pennies on the dollar...when compared to their 2019 prices.

That's probably not what the OP was asking; however, it's worth mentioning.

There certainly were some incredible reports regarding prices supposedly realized.

I don’t know if they are down, but I don’t see much interest in the two card Rice Stix set.

If your question is what is selling for less now than it was in November 2019, nothing as far as I can tell.

If you are asking what has gone down at some point since then, the answer is everything, because all cards dropped from April to June.

Most cards are about where they were a year ago, before the big runup. Generally the superstars are doing better, while the minor stars and commons have slid back a bit.

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I agree. Several of those purchases were confirmed by the multi-millionaires who bought them, but you never know if they were all lying about it.

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Ive gotten nice deals bst ,,great cards decent prices .vintage hockey basketball are getting pricey

Any junk era cards, especially wax.

From 2 years ago I don't think anything is down but many cards are down from their highs back in March/April.

I recall clearly when people were supposedly paying six figures for signed Jasson Dominguez Bowman cards, a Yankee prospect ("the Martian") who had as of then never played in one MINOR league game in the US. That was sheer 'effiin insanity.

I deviated from vintage to picked up some Jared Kelenic autos. Did not go so well.

Jackie Robinson 1952 Topps have come down a good amount since the hype

Lol

Since the hype, yes. But since 11/2019, which is 2 years ago, a PSA 3 was around $1700. Today's average value of a PSA 3 is $10,497, according to VCP.

Exactly. There was a fairly steep artificial price inflation in Jan through March and then a fairly predictable correction. The market has since flattened out and has even stayed trending upwards again. Of course there are always sub segments of the market that are far more volatile, adding noise to the data, but the overall broader market is extremely strong.

Most of the stuff that has taken a dive has done so for rational reasons. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Guys were grossly overpaying for graded base cards. Lebron James 2019 base Prizm PSA 10s were selling for around $600 each last year. I know because I sold about 7 or 8 of them. That's asinine when you consider the pop counts (20,000 and counting for the Zion base PSA 10 from that set, and Lebron was printed at the same rate).

I guess the cheeky but also correct answer would be high-grade E98's, but that is obviously due to forces outside of the larger market.

Since the seismic early-Pandemic shift in prices, we've had 2 major price corrections -- one in late 2020, and again around March/April 2021. We're clearly not headed below pre-Pandemic prices again, but I don't blame anyone who feels a bit seasick. I've changed my buying behavior several times with different card types during the last 18 months as a result.

Although vintage and PreWar Baseball makes up most of my collection, I also have deep interest in vintage Basketball, as well as other sports and also some non-sport. I've laid off buying whatever felt overheated at time, and sold/traded my spares selectively. Right now, vintage Basketball is seriously cratering, and so I've started poking around there again for my long-term needs -- even though we may not be at the bottom there. 80's and newer is also getting hammered, and so I've even started cautiously buying a few truly key Modern cards here and there.

To each his/her own, and collect with whatever risk tolerance you have in this market.
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Everything has come down since the peak (Feb-April 2021) but everything is still higher than what it was from late 2019.

Absolutely untrue. Everything has not come down. Sounds Ike some wishful thinking it is absolutely inaccurate. Yes many things have slid back some,market corrections are normal when things go up like that but not everything has slid back despite the wishes of some entitled collectors.

Perhaps you could provide an example of something that has gone up since the Feb/April peaks? Perhaps a PSA link?

I think green T206 Cobbys have fallen a little...

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What’s going to happen If the investor exits the card market ??

PSA graded tickets immediately come to mind. Some tickets are 10x since Feb/Mar.

Sample is only 1, but Ruth Goudeys #53 and #144 have gone up since April in mid-grade.
https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...ues/237936#g=4
https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...ues/238055#g=5

I've noticed this, too.

Totally off on this tangent, because prices are definitely up not down over the last two years (the question in the OP), but....

Original photos (particularly PSA authenticated ones) also seem to be quite strong now. While it's harder to make exact comparisons due to lack of grading, I had a more than a dozen photos in the Love of the Game auction that ended last night and (with only a couple of exceptions) the prices were much higher than I would have expected in Feb/Mar/April. Similarly, the two photos I wanted to buy also sold for much more than I believe I could have bought them for earlier.

As folks have mentioned earlier, the Jordan RC has come down significantly since its spring peak. Just to add some numbers to the discussion, earlier this year, a PSA 8 was bringing upwards of $18k; now they are trading at $8k or less.

But while I don't have the numbers in front of me, I'd bet that they are still above what they were two years ago at the end of 2019.

Will be interesting to see how the PSA backlog is going to affect these cards. I'm guessing it won't be good.

That's the insane thing about some of these modern cards . . . . who knows how many more PSA 10s are sitting in unopened cases in people's closets.

Photos are (were?) bargains compared to cards. That is definitely not the case now, at least on primo ones. Regardless of PSA 'blessing', they are way up. But not all. Look at RMY last night. Stellar images and well-documented ones were often in four figures, but slightly lesser can go for a few hundred dollars.

You beat me to the punch as I was just going to post that.

Small example: I had been searching for a 1927 World Series game 1 ticket (Pop 21) after I failed to win one for around $500 a year plus ago. Three have come up for auction the last year and they sold for $2k-$3k. A graded version has a BIN for $10k (which I assume will sit there for a while). I was happy to land the one on Love of the Game today.

Maybe a general statement that some memorabilia has seemed to jump in price. We have seen some type 1 photos, tickets, bats (although I have not been watching them particularly). We have seen a few threads of collectors here that have shifted focus a bit to memorabilia since it is a little more affordable, so I am sure that is a reason.

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Okay, so we have a total of about 2 examples of cards and game tickets that have gone above from the Feb-Apr 2021 prices. So apparently 99.2% has come down and not everything.

If we forget we are in the card section and get to compare it to memorabilia there are a LOT of examples of things going up. Not so much if we keep it to just cards. Baseball bats like store models and index/pro stock have gone up it what I buy.

They'll come back after price dropped for another entry point
I think now it's a great time to buy the dip before another uprun. Maybe a year, maybe 2.

Agreed. One thing I've wondered about quite a bit lately is how much of the difference in price between lesser and those primo photos is due to across-the-board demand and how much of price differences can be attributed to amplification of random quirks due to the very thinness of the market for photos (increased chances of only one serious bidder, market being saturated by just a couple of items, etc).

Last night, I had a 1923 Ruth portrait that I thought was stellar and probably wouldn't have sold for less than $3K go for $1800 but had (admittedly nice...but not Ruth!) photos of Ted Williams and Pee Wee Reese sell for for $7200 and $4800 respectively and some really lesser photos (just original news service photos) reach $600-900. I very rarely see that happen with cards, where auctions seem uniformly well followed. With photos, it happens all the time...just a crapshoot if you get two interested parties at the same auction.

I will dance a jig :-)

IMO high grade Stan Musial cards are showing some signs of upward momentum as well as T200 Fatima Cleveland with J Jax himself, casually leaning on his bat. This card could soar.