PWCC cracks me up
Got an email from them:
Presented here is a snapshot of data highlighting some of the very best deals for auctions ending this Sunday at 7 p.m. PT / 10 p.m. ET. The following deals were identified using a blend of PWCC internal data, publicly available comps, and utilization of PWCC’s auction filter tools. We’ve done some legwork to give you a data-driven edge on a few assets ending this Sunday. These aren’t the only deals currently live in the weekly auction closing Sunday. See all the great buys currently live in this week’s auction by using the “Items Below Retail Price” filter here: Cards presently priced below retail . . . . Wouldn't be easier to just say "Here are a list of cards, uh we mean assets, presently on the decline, dropping in demand and value. . . . Buy now. . . . Buy them now before they drop further in price . . . ."" |
Synergy!
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Can't blame them for tying to generate interest on behalf of consignors.
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But it's a data-driven edge! It must be good!
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Started getting personalized texts, phone calls and emails from them a couple weeks ago. Felt like getting a message from an ex girlfriend who I had long since forgotten about.
That being said, if they had hi-grade E94's available I'd probably make some poor decisions just like I did with her... |
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Hooker walks up to a guy at the hotel after a card show and says "you can have anything for $200." The man says "OK, how about a T206 Cobb with a green background?" Hooker leaves hotel never to return during a card show. |
"Many are trying to make their fortunes using artificial intelligence, I prefer to use actual stupidity"
Carl Icahn |
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Following PWCC Sunday auctions for the purpose of pricing info, but never for bidding, I have noticed the quality of the pre-war and vintage cards on offer has declined markedly since they were under the wing (armpit) of Ebay. Once in a while, you see a couple of beauties but not like before.
One of their reps keeps calling, beseeching me to come back into the fold. No way. All of their techno crap messages sniffs like a bit of desperation. |
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Or the card collector variant of gigolo...a cardolo.
Brian |
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Maybe “mimbo” like the old Seinfeld episode. I think it was Dan Cortese playing the mimbo Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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This crowd never ceases to amaze me. All aboard the hate train! Choo-choo!!
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I am surprised in a way nothing happened with everything they were accused of before and all the supposed pending charges. Then again not really as the scammers seem to be rewarded handsomely in this hobby. |
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At some point it seems a fair inference that Brent decided he would not cooperate/plead guilty, and that may have thrown this off where it was going. But I'm guessing. |
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This was simply a threat to PSA's brand...sorta. PSA did not really care if an unsuspecting collector spent 100K on a fake card. They cared if an unsuspecting collector bought a 100K fake card and then swore off buying the PSA brand. Card doctoring is not a threat to PSA. Seems like they love it because otherwise there would be no vintage 9s or 10s or 52 Topps Mantles that were VG that are now in 7 holders. More money for the slab means more dollars sent PSA's way. |
Not to disparage any FBI agents on the sub but they pick prosecutable low hangin fruit, much like the breakdown of society the wound is still infected and will fester and grow.
If we approached crimes like our Communist brothers in China all it would take is one card doctor getting life in prison to stop the whole merry go round. |
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Heard they had an impenetrable defense :cool: |
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I get that some of my assertions above can be viewed as a red herring, when the primary complaint is trimming cards, but it all falls along a spectrum, with trimming at or near the far end of it (rebuilt corners and recoloring are there as well). It is not illegal to alter a baseball card whether we like it or not. I just don't think a jury is going to care even about a trimmed card or a recolored card. It is not a crime to recolor a card. Countless collectors have taken a black Sharpie to their 71 Topps collection and later resold those cards. Nobody is going to put those people behind bars. And some number of people have trimmed cards down to the correct size because they were too tall to fit in their one-touch holders. Are we going to lock them up as well? There are good reasons that these behaviors are not criminal. Then, there's Pandora's Box. I maintain that still to this day, even the majority of us that are tuned in to the trimming scandal lack an accurate understanding of just how massive this problem truly is. In the early years of PSA, I honestly believe that the bulk of their business came from a mob of trimmers. I also think they knew it, but just didn't care about it. As long as the cards "looked good" and were "close enough" in size, they were fine with taking their money. It was a hush-hush arrangement. If you look at high-end vintage cards closely, paying attention to certs and grades, you will see this was irrefutably true. Every auction I look through, I find countless clearly trimmed cards. And those are just the ones that are easily identifiable. The majority of trimmed cards cannot be detected. Not by you. Not by me. Not by any TPG. It just is what it is. And if we want to hold PSA's feet to the fire (or PWCC's, or Probstein's, or eBay's, or any other AH) by holding them responsible for every trimmed card in a slab that ever passed through their hands, and decertifying cards, then we will destroy this entire hobby. Because the entire hobby has been built upon that foundation whether we like it or not. Marshall Fogel's entire collection would be worth pennies on the dollar, the Wagner 8 would suddenly be affordable, PSA would be out of business, and we wouldn't have any auction houses left to sell our cards through. And there'd be no one left to sell them to anyhow. To everyone outside of this hobby, we are just a bunch of old men yelling at clouds. |
"I maintain that still to this day, even the majority of us that are tuned in to the trimming scandal lack an accurate understanding of just how massive this problem truly is. In the early years of PSA, I honestly believe that the bulk of their business came from a mob of trimmers. I also think they knew it, but just didn't care about it. As long as the cards "looked good" and were "close enough" in size, they were fine with taking their money. It was a hush-hush arrangement."
How ironic if true, and it probably is; ironic because PSA's original pitch was to protect collectors from card doctoring. LOL. A hobby built on the backs of card doctors and their enablers. Lovely. All the lies and pretense and bullshit from most of the industry leaders. Again LOL. |
Travis-
You raise some good points. I think a lot of us have been hoping for a precision strike to put the bad actors away while keeping the best pieces of what we love. Unfortunately, such an approach might not really be possible short of sending us back to the 1980s. Although I’m sure with this crowd there are plenty who would lustily cheer for such an outcome! |
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It is much more enjoyable as an actual hobby, rather than as yet another investment vehicle laced with fraud, market pumping, vaults so you never even see your card, and graders who don’t know squat about what they are grading. Which is a minority opinion. But I would like for it to one day become a hobby again so I may do my collecting at a lower cost. |
This is not a bad tune actually, although Treat Her Like a Lady is better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfYkhQblYjY |
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:rolleyes: I have no horse in your race. We have the biggest idiot "leader" in history up here to worry about. |
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I have no horse in your race. We have the biggest idiot "leader" in history up here to worry about.[/QUOTE]
Sorry second biggest and its not even close...:D |
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Sorry second biggest and its not even close...:D[/QUOTE] No..He's the biggest....Carter can pass away easy now. |
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Hi Bobby, I'm not one to tell you how to run your card sales, but in my opinion regular $0.99 auctions by regular guys like you and me are lost in the shuffle at this point. I have been doing solely buy it nows for a long time now. And I have been very happy with the results. I encourage you to do the same. Then you can negotiate a price you are happy with, so there will be no steals. Of course, this approach does not entail an instant sale as with auctions. But peace of mind on selling price has been worth it for me, even without an instant sale. Andrew |
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