2 namer
 

Congrats Chris!! Great eye, n a great card;)

also might have a w/s/t of his hair on back;)

Nice card Chris!

Thank you for posting it & keeping us updated.

Hopefully I'll find one or two myself this week.


Jantz

Thats Great! This is where newer style research on this set pays off...A visual aid! Well done man!
GB

Duplicate but nice
 

Jantz,

Here is another McGraw/Chesbro with a PD 350 back.

Heres the latest...
 

Oakes/Easterly

One T206, Two Names
 

I was hoping to get mine back from PSA yesterday, but I have to wait another week. It has 2 names. Abstein/Somebody else. (Dunno who yet) I'll post the name and scans when I get it back.

Hi Chris,
Here is another Powell/O'Leary....
Hope you are well. Brian

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g/Image437.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g/Image438.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...g/Image439.jpg

Isn't it good to see a Brian Weisner reply or post?
 

Glad to see you are back on board, Brian.

Very interesting Brian, two miscut Powell/O'Learys. Maybe the whole stack of sheets were miscut, great find.

2 namers
 

adam and brian ....great finds!!!:)

glad u are back brian!!

adam, u have become a true error collector;)

Anyone look into having such cards slabbed by SGC with a '2 name' designation'?

I asked
 

I asked Earl at the National and he said that they had have no intention of noting that on the slab.

I was just curious - I have two nice examples and have no intention of having them slabbed.

(If Earl read this thread, he might change his mind - SGC, like everyone else, is really into the whole profit concept.)

I brought my four to the National in the hopes of getting the flips noted. I definitely would have paid for it...

Added Moran/Arellanes & Oakes/Easterly

Higher Res - Link

http://i.imgur.com/lZzz9.jpg

Hands down, this is one of the most interesting threads I have ever read on net54. Keep up the great work gentlemen!

Interestingly, we've seen Bender with a different name at top, a different card with Bender at top, and...

I've heard that the combination of the two also exists.

Scott

This is why the back information is as important as the front of the card. Its a slow process, but maybe someday the dots will start connecting.



Jantz

Was my joke so dry that it made some sort of sense I wasn't aware of?

:)

Just found this one...Egan-Warhop
 

Just got this back from slabbing for safety. Egan-Warhop PD 350 Back.

Nice card Adam!

Thanks for posting it.


Jantz

of course
 

Jantz, I'm always looking now !! Thanks for bringing these to my attention !!

Adam

Adam!
 

Your a hounddog.....GREAT job:D, i always love your collecting focus, and your keen knowledge on 206.........i thought i was crazy following these around more than ten years ago:o

now i know i'm not alone.......these 2 namers fueled my freaky deakiness;) and continues to:D

+100

Sincerely, Clayton

Didn't think we had any but actually found one in the pile of trimmed cards. Lake/Lake (I guess it doesn't really have two names but I think it still works. ;)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...6lake-lake.jpg

Maybe I just need to look harder...

Here are a couple more Cassidy/Cassidy and Nichols/Nichols

and a third ghost image along for the ride.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...doublet206.jpg

Question
 

Guys - Reviving this old thread for a question if anyone can answer it : Why do we not see SLer's with 2 name cards ? Perhaps I have glossed over it, but I didn't see any in this thread. Obviously there are fewer numbers (48) from the set, but was wondering if anyone owns or has seen a SLer with 2 names on it ? If not, why ? Thanks & I will hang up and listen...

If I may answer the last caller's question. You won't see many SL cards cut like that because of rarity+lack of subjects. They are out there though, just tough to find

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-GRADED-...p2047675.l2557

I agree completely with what John posted. I hope a few surface and are eventually shared in this thread.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-J.../s512/Lipe.jpg

Brian...
 

great Zimmerman....can u post a back scan??:)

Thanks John & Tim. I guess when you deduce the number of subjects to 48 and only 3 backs possible, relatively speaking, the cards would be "rare" or scarce to find a 2 name one card scenario... Just odd we don't see more of them... So unofficially the SL list is at 2 with McCauley & Lipe. 46 more to go...

Regarding double name (not two name) SLs I've had at least two... Foley White was one. I can probably dig up scans.

NashvilleBaseball/Jeremy - I've never seen a two different name SLer, but as shown by other members already, two same name SLers do exist.

McCauley and Lipe have already been mentioned. I can add Revelle to the list. By the way, all three of them have an Old Mill back.

Maybe the White Er!ck mentioned has a OM back too.

Also Jeremy, of all the two different name T206s found so far, none of them have a 460 series back.



Jantz

Hey Jantz,
I have a Shag and Molesworth.... both with OM backs...

Be well Brian

Foley White
 

Sold in the June 2012 Sterling Auction... someone got a steal as it cost me $100 raw. Just not quite enough name at the top for me.
http://www.sterlingsportsauctions.co...une330_lg.jpeg

my first two name card and my last pick up. i dont have it in my hand now, but look like to have another Purtell name on top.

http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/11/52/54/64/purtel10.jpg
http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/11/52/54/64/purtel11.jpg

ok i'm guilty...
 

I'm guilty of getting sidetracked on this thread as well... but this is about "two name" cards which are T206s with two different player names. The cards shown recently (including the White I posted) are "double name" cards which are T206s with the same name twice.

I'll put up scans of my Rossmans tonight...

Oops, I thought we were posting all combinations to work towards trying to figure out the layout of the sheet. Sorry about that.

Rossmans
 

Here are my Rossman miscuts. This thread can be used to help with sheet layouts, but double name miscuts won't help with that.

Rossman-Rossman is a double name
Rossman-McBride is a two name

Is it believed that all players appear twice on a sheet (one above the other)? I hadn't heard that before but it wouldn't surprise me.

Here is a good article on a possible sheet layout, it is thought multiple examples were stacked three to four high.

http://www.t206resource.com/Article-...stique-34.html

Very nice article. The 34-card, 2 player per column sheet theory would mean that for each column you could have one card with two different names (the 3rd card from the bottom) and four cards with two of the same name (all but the top card in each column and the aforementioned 3rd from the bottom).

If each '2-name' card has the same odds of being miscut to show 2 names (Steve or Tim would have to answer that question), then that's a 4-1 ratio - is that about what we've seen?

I'm not sure about the ratio of double name to two name cards.

The likelihood of the same number being cut wrong depends on the order of the cuts. If they started by removing the edges then cut into strips by height or width, the chances are that the same cards would always be miscut since an error gets worse as the cuts progress.
If the first card is off center or oversize by 1/64, the next cut will be off center by 1/32nd since it starts already off by 1/64th and the next cut adds the same error. In reality the errors that begin at one end would be much less.
A more typical cutting sequence has the sheet being cut into blocks that are then cut progressively with the longer sides done last.

But there's plenty of eveidence that T206s weren't cut with a consistent pattern, or sometimes with much accuracy. Diamond cuts are far more likely if you're doing the narrow ends last. On a job as big as T206s the cutting would have been done by more than one guy, some of them more skilled than others.

The number of examples of the same card on each sheet I think is more than 4. It's at least 3.
Sheet layouts that are entirely unbalanced are also possible if not likely. So there might be several rows of say 4 over 4 and then maybe a row of 6-8 of a popular player or star.

Between the two name cards, the plate scratch, the registration layout marks, and a few other things I think it will eventually be possible to get very close to what a sheet might have looked like.

Steve B

My numbers are 'per column', not sheet.

Unless they had multiple columns of the same player - which is possible of course- It works out the same.

In other words, if Spencer was only in one column, saying there are 3 Spencers in the column and 3 Spencers on the sheet is the same thing.

I think that number is actually at least 4, maybe as much as 6.

Steve B

Oh, I see what you are saying.

I described the exact position of each card. If you can think of another position within a column that I missed, please describe, but I think my numbers are correct.

Nope, we're talking about the same thing.


I think the number of each card in the column would be more than 3-4.

with 3 you get
edge card- name and wide blank margin
middle card - two of the same name
upper/lower card- two different names

If it was three, I'd think the ones with different names would be much more common, roughly equal to the edge and same name cards. That's definetly not the ratio we see so far.

Steve B

Steve, it's an exact thing that can be determined just by looking at Tim's sheet example. Not 3 or 4, not 'more than 3-4'. I don't have the software to draw a graphic for you, but I think I described it exactly in my original post:

Again, per column, 1 physical card with 2 different names, and 4 physical cards with 2 of the same name. Given Tim's layout, it can't be anything else.

Now, if you think Tim's layout is incorrect, then that's a different story.

Steve, it may be an indication that there were 6+ of each player stacked based on the ratio we see of double names vs two names. We may learn as you mentioned that some players had 4 stacked and others 6 or more, maybe multiple columns of the same player on one sheet. Fun stuff :)

If we could confirm the print press or sheet size it would be a good base to start with.

Jantz or Erick, is there a new Rossman or other example I need to add to list?

Exactly, which is what I was trying to get at with the comments about ratios we are seeing. Chris - thanks for bringing this point up again.

Not to my knowledge. I have the McBride... and want the Thomas.

Chris - My total count to date of two-different name T206s is at 37.

Your grouping below is correct to my knowledge except we need to add Walsh/Lumley and Egan/Warhop to the grouping.

No new Rossman that I'm aware of.


Jantz

Here's another with two names.... Both from Cleveland....Piedmont 150

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps2dd49135.jpg





Be well Brian

Nice card Brian, looks like Stovall, I'll work on it.

Hi Chris,
Yes it is Stovall.... I will post another after dinner that is much tougher to guess...

Be well Brian

Lumley
 

Jantz,

Is the Walsh/Lumley the only Lumley combo to show up to date ?

Brian - Nice card! Thanks for posting it. Looking forward to seeing the other card you have to post.

Adam - So far the Walsh/Lumley is the only combination I've seen with Lumley's name on it.


Jantz

Here's another.... Pied 350 Herzog/.......? I'm 99% sure I know the other player, but would like to see what everyone else thinks...

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps4a9210ac.jpg







Be well Brian

Brian

Is it Ritchey, Boston Nat'l?


Jantz

Concur
 

I concur with Jantz...

Winner... Winner... Chicken Dinner....

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...an0037-1-1.jpg



Be well Brian

Love it !!
 

Brian, Love the no red !!

Adam

I wish I had a scan of your Ritchey when trying to get my Gilbert no red slabbed by SGC... They had a problem with the "missing" color since it was color on top of color... like in this case there is a base of yellow for the belt with red applied on top. Sweet Card!

I was wrong!!!! I simply assumed my Rossman-McBride was the one that had previously been identified, but alas, mine is a different one!

Does anyone know if the other Rossman-McBride is a Piedmont as well. Interesting that the Rossman-Thomas is a Sweet Cap.

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1344738909http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1355602854

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...34&postcount=5

Here's one I just picked up
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/m...DOUBLENAME.jpg

Larry, I think that card has the same name at top and bottom, not two different ones. But I've been wrong plenty of times before.

me too:D

I found the scans of the Lundren/Ball, maybe it's me but this card doesn't look
legit to me.

Two name card command a premium value ? According to you what is the premium for a two name card.. ? Same name on top and bottom

Two (different) names command a premium based on relative scarcity. Only on the order of 3 dozen known. Double (same) names do not command the same premium. I will pay nicely for a double name (or miscut) if the full name is at the top, but it is still no where near the price you would expect for a two name card.

Added Egan/Warhop.

http://i.imgur.com/fzLu1.jpg

Excellent work Chris. The never ending puzzle.
Can only imagine a Wagner Pittsburg or Plank on top....

Outstanding work Chris !!

This is really coming together & I'm enjoying the watching the progress-thanks.

Sincerely, Clayton

the claudes.....
 

:)

While in Atlanta I stopped by a small card store and picked up a few T206's.
In the stack was a Bobby Wallace with 2 names. I don't have a scanner here, but will post scan when I get back to sunny Buffalo Monday. Also, it's hard to make out the bottom name, probably Wallace since his name is clearly on top.:D

johnny sanford lol NICE

With the help of an eagle eye
 

of another member, a two namer popped up in my collection, but what is the second name??

It's Hinchman written in Morse code.:eek:

SCHRECK, Columbus?

I'm thinking

TAYLOR, BUFFALO

is a better fit, if that's possible?