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LincolnVT 10-07-2021 09:57 AM

1/1 -- 1/25 Pre-War Items
 
We all hear about and see the 1/1 and 1/25 modern cards and memorabilia pieces now days at auction and on the internet. Let's see some real pre-war rarities...cards, cabinets, photos and other interesting pre-war gems with a known combined population of less than 25.

packs 10-07-2021 10:00 AM

Good luck finding 25 of these:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...381913da_z.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...5bef1a87_z.jpg

chadeast 10-07-2021 10:06 AM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...28ee9586_z.jpghttps://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2081b2b1_z.jpg

Casey2296 10-07-2021 10:09 AM

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1/1's
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Leon 10-07-2021 10:27 AM

1927 Babe Comes Home card
 
1927 Babe Comes Home card, on card stock.

https://luckeycards.com/1927ruth.jpg

the-illini 10-07-2021 10:32 AM

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one of only 2 I believe

nat 10-07-2021 10:38 AM

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Obviously there are probably some raw ones out there, and I don't know SGC's pop, but PSA has graded only five of these Carey type 1s:

53toppscollector 10-07-2021 10:42 AM

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I don't have anything super rare. 3 of my T206 Krause portraits have a combined PSA/SGC pop of 20 or less

BabyRuth 10-07-2021 10:54 AM

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some obscure items

glchen 10-07-2021 11:09 AM

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More obscure ones

jcmtiger 10-07-2021 11:13 AM

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Not many of these around, not a card, calendar top.

mrreality68 10-07-2021 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glchen (Post 2151693)
More obscure ones

WOW WOW and WOW

Super Nice Ruth Cards and Super Hard to find.

Been hunting for years to find one and you have 3.

Congrats on those

mrreality68 10-07-2021 11:30 AM

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Here is a 1 of 1 (at least that is KNOWN)

vansaad 10-07-2021 11:50 AM

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Not quite pre-war, but I love this version of Old Gold Robinson. 1/22 combined graded. Great write up on the back.

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rdwyer 10-07-2021 11:53 AM

I rather have vintage. Take for example a 1/1 Mike Trout signed card. There are probably 100 if not more other 1/1 cards of Mike Trout.

Leon 10-07-2021 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2151702)
Here is a 1 of 1 (at least that is KNOWN)

That's an awesome card, Jeff.
Here is Chief..

https://luckeycards.com/e224meyers.jpg

riggs336 10-07-2021 11:55 AM

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This is the only PSA graded Witmor Eddie Collins and there are only 25 total PSA graded Witmors. So that's rare, right?

Rhotchkiss 10-07-2021 12:35 PM

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This is a 1 of 1, and is currently for sale in Memory Lane (sorry for the shameless plug, but it does fit the OPs topic.

Rhotchkiss 10-07-2021 12:39 PM

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A few other rarities (from 1 of 1 to less than 10), including a rare side-kick to Jeff's amazing Joe Jax

brianp-beme 10-07-2021 12:57 PM

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This Type 2 R308 Tattoo Orbit of Pepper Martin (shown with the smaller R308 as well as the more common and colorful R305 for comparison) only exists as a NFT card.

Brian (NFT = Not For Pterodactyls...because phonetically speaking, they would make a mäk(ə)rē of this card)

53toppscollector 10-07-2021 02:15 PM

That Wagner Harpers Whiskey issue is incredible.

2dueces 10-07-2021 02:57 PM

MrReality. I don’t think that card can be topped.
Congratulations on owning that one.

peanuts 10-07-2021 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glchen (Post 2151693)
More obscure ones

WOW. Those are some gorgeous cards. Are there any more to the set?

oldjudge 10-07-2021 04:06 PM

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1/1

tedzan 10-07-2021 05:59 PM

1 of 1
 
Speaking of "1 of 1".......I have four T206's that are unique. Plus, a 1904 team card that appears to be unique.
I acquired these "goodies" over the past 30+ years. I have searched for a 2nd. So far, they still remain unique.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ZITxSGC30x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loveUZITxb.jpg .



https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...erzogSGC45.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...UZITx37b_1.jpg




The DRUM card of Frank Delahanty in my A - B - C - D connection here is unique.

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ntyABCDx50.jpg
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...tyABCDx50b.jpg




And, I'll throw into this mix a T206 proof.....unique, or what ? I have searched for another Puttman proof for many years.... to no avail.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...manPROOFbb.jpg




Last, but not least....Buffalo Bisons 1904 Team card, which represents a significant piece of BB history. The Bisons of the Eastern League were
considered the "World Champions", as there was no Major League World Series in 1904 (the NY Giants refused to play the Boston Americans).

https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...sonsTeam50.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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puckpaul 10-07-2021 06:29 PM

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Not sure of the pop, but i don’t think there are 25 of them. Pinkerton Wajo

keating3620 10-07-2021 06:41 PM

diamond star dickey blank back
 
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1\1

x2drich2000 10-07-2021 07:09 PM

Really love the W.W. Smith postcards like Ryan posted. Here's my Wagner and if we're including back variations, my current obsession set.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...78fd4924_z.jpg
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WillowGrove 10-07-2021 08:31 PM

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Great thread!

Kid Nichols portrait cabinet taken by Chickering ca. 1897. Anyone ever see another?

glchen 10-08-2021 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peanuts (Post 2151770)
WOW. Those are some gorgeous cards. Are there any more to the set?

Thanks! There are at least 3 more in this set, maybe more. I know the board members have a few of them. :)

sb1 10-08-2021 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowGrove (Post 2151859)
Great thread!

Kid Nichols portrait cabinet taken by Chickering ca. 1897. Anyone ever see another?

Yes, I used to have one. I will have to dig out an image but I am pretty sure 1897 was inscribed in the negative and thus on the cabinet. A board member has it now(unless he has moved it).

Angyale 10-08-2021 07:19 AM

W600 & E254 Toledo Flick
 
I think there are 3 or 4 of the W600s known and a similarly small size handfull of the Toledo Colgans.

Angyale

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=28622

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=31920

mrreality68 10-08-2021 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 2dueces (Post 2151764)
MrReality. I don’t think that card can be topped.
Congratulations on owning that one.

Appreciated Joe and I enjoy having this card.

But there is a lot of Great Cards that would either top my card or give it a run.

This thread has many great and rare cards showing with more to come

DeanH3 10-08-2021 09:31 AM

Wouldn't surprise me if there are enough raw examples out there to get over 25, but thus far these two have a combined pop less than 25.

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=22874https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=16138

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=10120https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=16129

molenick 10-08-2021 09:33 AM

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My guess is that there are not 25 known of any specific Pinkerton cabinet.

Leon 10-08-2021 09:39 AM

Type card collectors have an unfair advantage in this thread. I paid less the second time I bought this one LOL

https://luckeycards.com/pe222awa.jpg

jcc6252 10-08-2021 10:08 AM

Strictly for the Back
 
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Living in Indy, I bought it strictly for the back. 1 of 2 graded, according to the combined pop reports.

x2drich2000 10-08-2021 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2151989)
Type card collectors have an unfair advantage in this thread. I paid less the second time I bought this one LOL

As would 19th Century collectors.

https://live.staticflickr.com/4822/3...6ef11f5e_z.jpg

AMPduppp 10-08-2021 11:05 AM

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Pop 21 between SGC and PSA, but also the only card released for Walt "Smoke" Justis

fkm_bky 10-08-2021 11:44 AM

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Some great cards here!

Soon to be slabbed by SGC, but there are only 7 graded of the Huggins Port, Tolstoi reverse T206.

PSA - 4
SGC - 2
BVG - 1

Bill

milkit1 10-08-2021 11:53 AM

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Black factory 30 Evers/Chance
Blank back Mordecai Brown M116

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packs 10-08-2021 12:08 PM

Nice M116. I've got an oddity of my own. Have seen some people suggest they're cut from a poster, but there are at least two Walter Johnson no names known and my card is the same stock as the regular issues:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3e1c0151_z.jpg

chadeast 10-08-2021 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puckpaul (Post 2151829)
Not sure of the pop, but i don’t think there are 25 of them. Pinkerton Wajo

:eek: Wow! This Big Train collector kneels before its greatness.

Leon 10-08-2021 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by packs (Post 2152034)
Nice M116. I've got an oddity of my own. Have seen some people suggest they're cut from a poster, but there are at least two Walter Johnson no names known and my card is the same stock as the regular issues:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3e1c0151_z.jpg

SO there is another of these floating around? Learn something new everyday. I thought there was only one large grouping of them known.

https://luckeycards.com/m116johnson.jpg

ValKehl 10-08-2021 01:41 PM

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This 1916 D352 Morehouse Baking of WaJo is a 1 of 1 per the pop reports (no graded examples).

Ethan, please don't take this as a criticism of your post, but all or almost all of the individual cards in very many (if not most) of the pre-War sets have less than 25 examples known to exist. My pre-War favorites are the real-photo, black & white card sets from 1916, 1917 and 1920-22 with a plethora of advertising backs; there are less than 25 examples known of every card in most of these sets. IMHO, for a pre-War card to be considered truly rare there should be less than 5 examples known to exist.

Touch'EmAll 10-08-2021 01:44 PM

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Really like this one

Rhotchkiss 10-08-2021 02:27 PM

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Another round Wagner, and a square one

brianp-beme 10-08-2021 02:47 PM

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Here is an irregularly shaped Orange Border Wagner.

Brian

Casey2296 10-08-2021 02:57 PM

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I think there's about 12 of these out there.
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mrreality68 10-08-2021 02:59 PM

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Here is another Joe Jackson with a 1 of 1 (known) advertising back

molenick 10-08-2021 03:03 PM

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Some amazing cards posted so far. This is not one of them, but it does echo Leon's point that this is a good thread for type collectors.

Rhotchkiss 10-08-2021 03:09 PM

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Another Wagner Orange borders (also ending in memory lane tmrw night)

The Joe Jacksons in this thread are off the hook

mrreality68 10-08-2021 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss (Post 2152136)
Another Wagner Orange borders (also ending in memory lane tmrw night)

The Joe Jacksons in this thread are off the hook

Sounds good that the Jacksons are off the hook :D


Love the Orange Border Wagner

We will put that down as another Shameless (but Strategic Plug)

sb1 10-08-2021 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WillowGrove (Post 2151859)
Great thread!

Kid Nichols portrait cabinet taken by Chickering ca. 1897. Anyone ever see another?

Found the image, NOT Nichols as my mind had mistakenly recalled, but Bobby Lowe the year 1897 is in the written inscription on the negative on the photo and the team B is placed different, so the Nichols might be a year earlier or later???

The Nichols I was thinking of turned out to be a Omaha's N173...

ValKehl 10-08-2021 03:30 PM

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Here's another "Authentic" 1-of-1 Green-Joyce. Jeff, care to do an even-up trade? :D

chadeast 10-08-2021 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ValKehl (Post 2152074)
This 1916 D352 Morehouse Baking of WaJo is a 1 of 1 per the pop reports (no graded examples).

Ethan, please don't take this as a criticism of your post, but all or almost all of the individual cards in very many (if not most) of the pre-War sets have less than 25 examples known to exist. My pre-War favorites are the real-photo, black & white card sets from 1916, 1917 and 1920-22 with a plethora of advertising backs; there are less than 25 examples known of every card in most of these sets. IMHO, for a pre-War card to be considered truly rare there should be less than 5 examples known to exist.

Well said, Val. And great WaJo! Can we see the Weil Baking too? :)

ValKehl 10-08-2021 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chadeast (Post 2152157)
Well said, Val. And great WaJo! Can we see the Weil Baking too? :)

Thanks, Chad for your kind words. Per your request, here's my 1916 Weil Baking. I'm still looking for a 1917 Weil Baking - can anyone help?

LincolnVT 10-08-2021 06:32 PM

Yeah, I totally agree. This was the case years back when I put together the E103 Williams Caramel set. I love seeing the 1/1 stuff the most, but in an effort to see more cards I decide to broaden the thread to include 1/1 -- 1/25...great looking stuff so far.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ValKehl (Post 2152074)
This 1916 D352 Morehouse Baking of WaJo is a 1 of 1 per the pop reports (no graded examples).

Ethan, please don't take this as a criticism of your post, but all or almost all of the individual cards in very many (if not most) of the pre-War sets have less than 25 examples known to exist. My pre-War favorites are the real-photo, black & white card sets from 1916, 1917 and 1920-22 with a plethora of advertising backs; there are less than 25 examples known of every card in most of these sets. IMHO, for a pre-War card to be considered truly rare there should be less than 5 examples known to exist.


Cooper1927 10-08-2021 06:52 PM

I get the E103, I am still working on my last two for the set…


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puckpaul 10-08-2021 08:11 PM

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Love the Dukes…beautiful cards.

Leon 10-09-2021 11:56 AM

I like Val's idea of 5 or less known.... It would weed the posts down some. :cool:

https://luckeycards.com/wunc1921.jpg

WillowGrove 10-09-2021 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sb1 (Post 2152143)
Found the image, NOT Nichols as my mind had mistakenly recalled, but Bobby Lowe the year 1897 is in the written inscription on the negative on the photo and the team B is placed different, so the Nichols might be a year earlier or later???

The Nichols I was thinking of turned out to be a Omaha's N173...

Would've been interesting to see a 2nd one. Thanks a lot for checking Scott.

sb1 10-09-2021 04:59 PM

I do imagine duplicates existed at one time. Whether any others survived is the unknown. Both Chickering and Horner used the images they took to provide to teams and family members, as well as for use in publications. They also offered them in their studios for sale to the public. So.... the chances that multiples once existed are pretty good. I once thought that most Horner cabinets were one of one's, now I have seen dupes of many of the players, even the more pedestrian players.

pherbener 10-09-2021 07:09 PM

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Great stuff everyone! I love the Ullman Postcards. Here's my Matty. Would love to get one of his brother!

BeanTown 10-09-2021 09:27 PM

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Great stuff everyone! I love the Ullman Postcards. Here's my Matty. Would love to get one of his brother!

Great card Paul, when you win the Legends league we will figure out a trade for Henry!

familytoad 10-09-2021 11:38 PM

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I always thought this was a Honey of a Card.
No idea how many are out there, so disregard if there are 26+

ValKehl 10-09-2021 11:51 PM

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I believe that each of the cards from this set that is known to exist is a 1 of 1:

ullmandds 10-10-2021 07:00 AM

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This is a scarce cobby.

BabyRuth 10-10-2021 08:32 AM

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Blank Back Ruth and a mini blanket

pherbener 10-10-2021 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BeanTown (Post 2152485)
Great card Paul, when you win the Legends league we will figure out a trade for Henry!

It may be a while but sounds good JC!

mrreality68 10-10-2021 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ValKehl (Post 2152507)
I believe that each of the cards from this set that is known to exist is a 1 of 1:

Nice cards Val

ullmandds 10-10-2021 12:31 PM

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There are a bunch of low pops I wish I still had...still have a few...like these t216/d303 mystery blank backs.

phlflyer1 10-11-2021 07:17 AM

1/1 Wagner and Cobb
 
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These are both 1/1 unless there are other examples that I am unaware of which have turned up since I reported the existence of these to SCD back in the mid 90s.

LOUCARDFAN 10-11-2021 04:41 PM

Babe Ruth Pathe Freres. Only 15 have been graded between the two, not including my copy.

1909 Max Stein Ty Cobb. Only 6 graded between the two.

1910 PC796 Cobb/Wagner. Only 14 graded between the two.

Joe McGinnity’s 1911 Chicago Cubs Season Pass - the one and only. Going to be in REA’s fall catalog auction.

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dstudeba 10-11-2021 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2151989)
Type card collectors have an unfair advantage in this thread. I paid less the second time I bought this one LOL

https://luckeycards.com/pe222awa.jpg

Nice Leon, I imagine that was a private sale because I didn't see it come up and would have really liked a swing at it.

brianp-beme 10-11-2021 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LOUCARDFAN (Post 2152962)

Joe McGinnity’s 1911 Chicago Cubs Season Pass - the one and only. Going to be in REA’s fall catalog auction.


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Nice items, and cool 1911 season pass...I especially like the "Captain Chance's Celebrated Chicago Champion Cubs" motto on it, and how the 'C' acts as a bracket for the alliteration.

Brian

Leon 10-11-2021 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dstudeba (Post 2152970)
Nice Leon, I imagine that was a private sale because I didn't see it come up and would have really liked a swing at it.

Yes, it was a private sale. The person that I got it from I also got these from. They probably fit the thread. I was happy to get them back, albeit at 2x mark up....that's life. It wasn't like I was going to find them somewhere else. :eek:

https://luckeycards.com/e222sh.jpg
https://luckeycards.com/pe221master4x.jpg

Casey2296 10-11-2021 07:10 PM

I never get tired of seeing the Bishop team cards. Thanks for posting Leon.

ValKehl 10-11-2021 07:15 PM

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Nice Leon, I imagine that was a private sale because I didn't see it come up and would have really liked a swing at it.

+1. It seems like only yesterday when Leon sold this A.W.A. card: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515

Dan, I now have 9 of the 12 E222s, but I doubt I'll ever complete this set. Hope all is going well for you.

It's interesting how these E222s were issued in different colors and with different back designs:

dstudeba 10-12-2021 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2152995)
Yes, it was a private sale. The person that I got it from I also got these from. They probably fit the thread. I was happy to get them back, albeit at 2x mark up....that's life. It wasn't like I was going to find them somewhere else. :eek:

Salt in the wound.

When you and Val are finished maybe there will be a find. 50/50 on if that will be before or after pigs fly.

Congrats to both you and Val on your acquisitions. I have been stuck at 6 E222s and 2 E221s for a while.


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