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Belle played 10 full seasons and parts of two more. AVERAGED 40 homers every 162 games. OPS+ of 144. Those are ridiculous, high-level, elite numbers. Nope, he didn't win an MVP or World Series. But he outperformed guys who did. |
Even mentioning how many WS someone played in as a factor in their Hall-worthiness is absurd. How many did Ernie Banks play in? Stan Musial? Ted Williams for God's sake? On the other side of the ledger there are double digit mediocre guys on the 20s through 50s Yankees who probably played in 5+.
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It’s not absurd. It’s part of the player’s accomplishments and in some cases may make a difference. For example, when Curt Schilling eventually gets inducted it will be largely because of his 3 ws rings.
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It appears “players who fell off a cliff” has turned into a HOF debate.
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I think people are overlooking Johnny Vander Meer. He only had 2 no hitters in a row. Seems pretty easy to do. Maintaining that couldn't have been that hard.
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Though these pitchers did not by any means fall off a cliff per se, this trio of twirlers reached some amazing heights, then never came close afterwards:
Big Ed Walsh (Chicago White Sox) Smoky Joe Wood (Boston Red Sox) Colby Jack Coombs (Philadelphia Athletics) One made the Hall, but all three of the above were outstanding for a time. As with the case for Roger Maris, as someone else astutely observed, it's the Hall of FAME, not the Hall of Super Stats. I really don't care anymore if Roger Maris is enshrined; he was a great Yankee and player to me, and he's enshrined in my heart. I had to pay a lot of dough for my favorite Maris piece in the late 80s. I never regretted it one second. Guess I should say what it is---a 1962 JELL-O complete unfolded box in gem mint condition. A few years ago I was the winning bidder in a LOVE OF THE GAME auction for a scarce 1962 Gehl's Gold Mine Ice Cream Roger Maris, graded 6.5 by PSA. Paid almost twice what I paid for the Maris box, and love it. Now, this has nothing to do with Rog's career falling off a cliff, but to underscore the fact that some of us love non-HOFers that mean something to us, and will treasure them more than most of the guys who are enshrined in Cooperstown. Nice cardboard hot stove league discussion!:D --- Brian Powell |
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If he hadn't played one inning, his bench would be shrine-worthy. |
DONTRELLE WILLIS
Came up with Marlins and looked great. But: First 4 years in baseball: 58-39 w/l record Next 5 years in baseball: 14-30 w/l record And he was gone. |
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Yankee fans will always remember the sting of Chien-Ming Wang too. What could have been.....
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