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Aquarian Sports Cards 02-07-2020 05:41 PM

You know you played in the Steroid era when...
 
...you hit 214 home runs and your total career WAR was only 6.4

cardsagain74 02-07-2020 06:21 PM

And you know it's modern day sports when you got paid $12 mil per year in your later seasons to do so.

Has to be a lifelong thorn in the side for the old-timers who got all beat up for an average working man's wage

Jim65 02-07-2020 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 1953555)
...you hit 214 home runs and your total career WAR was only 6.4

How about Dante Bichette? 274 HR, .299 BA, 1141 RBI and a career 5.7 WAR.

Paul S 02-07-2020 09:12 PM

You know you played in the Steroid era when...
 
...Bud Selig is in the HOF and currently serves as the Commissioner Emeritus of Baseball.:p

clydepepper 02-08-2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul S (Post 1953588)
...Bud Selig is in the HOF and currently serves as the Commissioner Emeritus of Baseball.:p

As much as we beat up Bud, lots of us have to admit we enjoyed the McGwire-Sosa duel.

Attendance and Revenues were way up and that's what the owners wanted.

I will always be more offended by the cancelation of the '94 World Series.


It will be interesting to see what this new scandal does to the game's popularity. What an ugly, ugly off-season.
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Paul S 02-08-2020 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by clydepepper (Post 1953685)
As much as we beat up Bud, lots of us have to admit we enjoyed the McGwire-Sosa duel.

Attendance and Revenues were way up and that's what the owners wanted.

I will always be more offended by the cancelation of the '94 World Series.


It will be interesting to see what this new scandal does to the game's popularity. What an ugly, ugly off-season.
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re Selig era: Agree with everything you say. But the aftermath is such a letdown. If I wanted a carny sideshow I would have gone to a carnival. At least I would have known in advance what I was getting for my money and think, "Hey, that was a good one."

As far as the current sign-stealing scandal, I think the Astros WS win will be tainted, but not as much as Bonds' HR record.

Outside of that... EVERBODY CHA CHA CHA :D

earlywynnfan 02-09-2020 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul S (Post 1953836)
re Selig era: Agree with everything you say. But the aftermath is such a letdown. If I wanted a carny sideshow I would have gone to a carnival. At least I would have known in advance what I was getting for my money and think, "Hey, that was a good one."

As far as the current sign-stealing scandal, I think the Astros WS win will be tainted, but not as much as Bonds' HR record.

Outside of that... EVERBODY CHA CHA CHA :D

I agree with you only in the fact that Bonds was such a miserable SOB that he's easy to hate. If McGwire would be the reigning HR champ, I wonder if people would just let it fade away? Remember, roided Bonds was hitting homers off of roided pitchers, and EVERYBODY knew it, from Bud to the owners to the players to the media to you.

I actually think the Astros situation is worse, and I'm highly offended that they still have a WS title to their name, tainted or not. IMHO, that's a load of crap.

Aquarian Sports Cards 02-09-2020 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim65 (Post 1953577)
How about Dante Bichette? 274 HR, .299 BA, 1141 RBI and a career 5.7 WAR.

Wow never would've guessed his career WAR was THAT low.

jgannon 02-09-2020 04:50 PM

I think a problem that went with the steroid era was hopped-up balls, which still may be an issue - I don't know, as I don't really follow the game that closely anymore. But I remember watching a Yankee game back in 1998, and Derek Jeter (who of course, did NOT use steroids) got under a ball at Yankee Stadium, and it just looked like it was going to go foul on the left field side of the stands. He hardly got any good wood on it. Jim Kaat was announcing, and I'll never forget his surprise as the ball kept drifting and it landed just outside the foul pole, and him saying, "And... it's a home run!!" It was such a fluke. As I remember, one of the infielders was going after it. It just looked like a little pop up.

PowderedH2O 05-14-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 1953915)
Wow never would've guessed his career WAR was THAT low.

The numbers of that time were mind boggling. Bichette's numbers in 1996 and 1998 were better than many MVP's of the 1950's-1970's. Yet he finished 20th and 21st in the voting. I have no idea if he was clean or not. He went to high school with my ex-wife and she said he was a great player then too (although he was Danny, not Dante).

In 1988 there were 5 guys that hit 30 homers. That counts both leagues total. Glenn Davis was #5 in the major leagues with 30 homers. In 2000, there were 46 guys that hit 30 or more. So, those homers weren't worth crap as far as WAR goes. Kirk Gibson's MVP season probably gets him benched in 2000. There is no telling how many roids were in use!

In 2019, there were 57 guys that hit 30 or more. That's insane.

dio 05-14-2020 05:07 PM

MLD legalize steroid
well not on the players, but on the ball itself, it's juiced.
they need more HR to attract viewers

bnorth 05-14-2020 07:48 PM

Your numbers are better in your mid/late 30s than when you were in your late 20s.

clydepepper 05-15-2020 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1980834)
Your numbers are better in your mid/late 30s than when you were in your late 20s.

...and your head appears to grow by two or three hat sizes.


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cannonballsun 05-19-2020 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by clydepepper (Post 1953685)
As much as we beat up Bud, lots of us have to admit we enjoyed the McGwire-Sosa duel.

Attendance and Revenues were way up and that's what the owners wanted.

I will always be more offended by the cancelation of the '94 World Series.


It will be interesting to see what this new scandal does to the game's popularity. What an ugly, ugly off-season.
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The Sosa and McGwire thing was great fun. Baseball fans enjoyed it everywhere. Before Sosa joined it, I was a huge fan of McGwire. His tape measure shots were amazing. And then Sosa joined in, and it was twice the fun.
My question is, when did MLB ban steroids? I'm pretty sure when McGwire started, it wasn't banned yet. I remember him coming on TV and talking openly about supplements he took, which your body basically turned into steroids.
Anyway, baseball made a ton of money off those guys, and was very late to ban the steroids.

cannonballsun 05-19-2020 12:53 PM

Baseball and steroids
 
Okay, I just googled it. Baseball put steroids on the banned list in 1991, but didn't start testing until 2003.

Tripredacus 05-19-2020 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by clydepepper (Post 1953685)
As much as we beat up Bud, lots of us have to admit we enjoyed the McGwire-Sosa duel. .

Just wanted to point out, it is often forgotten that the McGwire-Sosa duel was only in the end of the season after Vinny Castilla finally cooled off.

packs 05-20-2020 12:44 PM

I always felt like the chase was phony, even in the moment. How could anyone have looked at Sosa or McGwire and not known they were cheating?

Runscott 05-27-2020 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by clydepepper (Post 1953685)
As much as we beat up Bud, lots of us have to admit we enjoyed the McGwire-Sosa duel.

It was definitely a fun time. I tried to predict when McGwire would break the record, decided it would be in St. Louis and bought tickets which were waiting at the stadium. Of course he broke it in the previous road series. I got in my '97 Mustang and hit the highway for St. Louis. Drove halfway there from Atlanta (great drive) and decided it wasn't worth it, turned around and drove home. I should have kept driving. Actually, I should have never sold that car.

Jcfowler6 05-27-2020 11:11 AM

When your Head got bigger and your balls got smaller.


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dabigyankeeman 06-21-2020 09:42 AM

When ....

You take the cork out of your bat because you dont need it anymore to hit home runs.

1952boyntoncollector 06-21-2020 04:38 PM

when larry sheets can hit 31 home runs..


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