Lots of people seem to want fake cards these days?
This seller is peddling all fakes...describes them as fakes...and people are still lining up????
https://www.ebay.com/sch/southernfri...p2047675.l2562 |
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They are pretty good fakes. I think the seller’s description is fair and his disclosures fine, that is, unless, he actually knows they are fake - which I suspect is likely the case - in which case its fraud (not sure legally, but certainly morally)
It is amazing to me that people will buy high value, raw cards online. Stupid is, as stupid does.... |
I'd wager that some of those bids he's getting are from shill accounts, driving the prices up. The classic line of "The original source of this card is unknown" combined with the "All Sales are Final" doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
He's a small step below the people that put fakes in cracked slabs and then reseal them and pass them off as legit. I've mentioned it before, how my Father got scammed by some crooked Ebay seller, on a Jordan RC of all things, still don't have the heart to tell him. |
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and while the seller's disclosure is ok...the buyers can still return...and most likely will!
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Seller does not accept returns" |
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"Per eBay rules, selling this card as a REPRINT because the card has not been professionally graded. The original source of this card is unknown (estate/garage sale, card show, online sale, private sale, etc) The card pictured in this listing will be the exact card you will receive. PLEASE BID ACCORDINGLY! ALL SALES ARE FINAL!" |
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Wow, I was expecting to see the typical $40 bid for a bad fake but this guy has a $430 bid on a fake red Cobb! Insane. There are a ton of these fake Cobbs on eBay for way less than that. These buyers are idiots.
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A while back i set up at a show and had a box of random $1 cards including a bunch of aged reprints. A guy went through the whole box and cherry picked every single one. We got to talking about them and had an interesting conversation. His take was that the only difference between a real card and a reprint was perceived value. He said something to the affect of, “I’m a collector, not an investor. Investors look for value, I collect images.” It was interesting to think about the psychology of the difference. I wish to God I was content with reprints....I would probably be writing this from my yacht if I was.
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I was thinking, and still might, open an EBay sellers account just to sell some of my lower value cards or cards that I no longer want but the more I read about issues like this, more I get deterred from even thinking about it. :( |
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I came across that seller on ebay a few months ago and almost bid on some of the items then. His listings are a bit misleading as the title doesnt state anything about being a reprint. Its only down in the description and I think alot of people bidding on some of those items do not read the description.
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At least those prices from your link aren't as high as what people regularly spend for fake '52 T and '51 B Mantles.
Listings like this irk me a lot more, because it's from a dealer with a lot of (100%) feedback, and he goes to great lengths to divert attention from authenticity with nothing but supposed trimming talk and "evidence". It's not even a good fake. Standard red flags for this card (like Mantle's bad sunburn and the wrong color under his cap's brim) are obvious even from those poor photos. Swindling someone into paying $1500 for it https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mant...-/293804811035 |
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As someone posted above, the seller knows it’s a fake and is making a fraudulent misrepresentation. EBay really needs to crack down on that kind of stuff, as well as the sellers who put fakes in lookalike PSA slabs (just missing the logo). If I were PSA, I’d also be going after those guys for trade dress misappropriation. |
He is also using this in each description heading "non PSA graded". This will bring up his cards when you search for PSA even though they are not slabbed by PSA.
I thought that was another eBay no no. |
I flagged a couple of his listings, but there were only a few options on the drop down menu for reasons for flagging, and “misleading item description” or “fake item” weren’t there. So I had to go with shill bidders.
How can eBay not even allow flagging for misrepresenting an item? I get that in this case they would probably take the lazy position that the seller’s disclaimer was truthy enough so they don’t have to get involved...but to not even have it as an option to report a listing? |
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I recently picked up a T206 reprint set. I have started the set and sold off the real cards 3 times because I just got burned out on it. Now I have them all and I really like owning them. |
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That way it would save me the trouble and possible headaches but possibly help him by having more product and a more diversified collection of cards to sell? He mainly dabbles in modern basketball, hockey and football and currently has no baseball, modern or vintage. |
The amount of positive feedback for the cards is disturbing, I bet psa makes bank grading these “authtct ?” over and over.
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the good news is...
when i saw the t206 red cobb, i noticed that it has a piedmont 150 reverse and i REALLY need one for my back run.
so, knowing that jamie/blunder needs that back as well i decided to bid often and high. am elated & proud to share that i WON that card for the bargain price of only $779! am certain i can flip it for a HUGE profit. congrats to me. :D |
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This seems to make the sellers happy, which leads me to believe that some buyers delay or jerk some sellers around with payments? I guess I'm the minority in this regard but have always thought, if you can't currently afford to pay for something, then you shouldn't be bidding or buying, but that's me. I will give it some thought but I will also need to set up a PayPal account for deposits. I don't believe that is too hard but then again, I am not sure how that works either as I have only used PayPal to pay for my purchases, not for deposits. I appreciate the help, Tim. Thank you. :) |
I buy a lot of raw cards now on eBay but only from a select group of dealers I trust, mostly folks I've been dealing with for years.
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Unless it's to PWCC |
There is another clown on Mercari selling T206 Wagner's with Polar Bear backs and getting $1000.... Mercari still has not pulled them.
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as for the reprints, it honestly doesn't bother me if people are selling them for a couple of bucks. if there's a market, more power to you. my issue (as i'm sure it is with most of you) is knowingly having a reprint and fooling others into thinking they "may" be buying a legit card for a lot of money. |
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