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67airborne 08-07-2022 05:31 AM

The two boxes, however, contained only $500 each in $1 bills, he said.

With the easy this guy seemed to pull off this scam he could of just used Monopoly money as collateral and saved his $1000.

BillyCoxDodgers3B 08-07-2022 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67airborne (Post 2249838)
The two boxes, however, contained only $500 each in $1 bills, he said.

With the easy this guy seemed to pull off this scam he could of just used Monopoly money as collateral and saved his $1000.

I was thinking the same thing, or at least use what police call a "dummy roll" (a $100 wrapped around 99 singles).

This story is so unbelievably asinine.

bigfanNY 08-07-2022 02:14 PM

And before you call the FBI you would need some proof that the cards left the state of NJ. Nothing in the story says the cards left. Only that guy who allegedly was given permission to take the cards has left the state. And he was not the last person seen take possession of the cards. This is only episode one of a long soap opéra. Lol I am on my way to store to get more popcorn.

Zach Wheat 08-07-2022 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2249363)
Theft is illegal in most states. Probably even Jersey. :D

Good one :)

carolenny 08-07-2022 04:10 PM

Theft at National AC
 
Once he let the guy walk away with the cards it was a done deal. No one can prove how much cash was in the bag. Exchange bag of cash for cards...guy walks away with cards...Guy hangs around for an hour chatting...He's going to say they had a deal and he paid for the cards.

Mark17 08-07-2022 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carolenny (Post 2250053)
Once he let the guy walk away with the cards it was a done deal. No one can prove how much cash was in the bag. Exchange bag of cash for cards...guy walks away with cards...Guy hangs around for an hour chatting...He's going to say they had a deal and he paid for the cards.

Right. Furthermore, nobody can say what the cards were worth.

Peter_Spaeth 08-07-2022 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carolenny (Post 2250053)
Once he let the guy walk away with the cards it was a done deal. No one can prove how much cash was in the bag. Exchange bag of cash for cards...guy walks away with cards...Guy hangs around for an hour chatting...He's going to say they had a deal and he paid for the cards.

I thought the alleged thief texted Giddings he would see him in the morning in response to Giddings' text to the effect of WTF is going on. That doesn't sound like someone claiming the deal was done.

esehombre 08-07-2022 05:43 PM

The National
 
[QUOTE=NYYFan63;2249391]So it’s not his job to count the money? Strange…

This is hilarious - so find the guy whose job it is to count the money and fire or sue him!

rdwyer 08-07-2022 05:54 PM

Be interesting if Dick Giddings was arrested for filing a false police report.

Leon 08-07-2022 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cannonballsun (Post 2249789)
I checked out those other two threads that were mentioned in this thread.
Some pretty wild stuff, but some often amusing stuff.

The Net54 rabbit holes suck sometimes. It's like there's 5? minutes of my life gone but, damn, that was entertaining again!
.

Brian Van Horn 08-07-2022 06:52 PM

Just curious. How many FBI agents were at the show? I know. They are supposed to blend in with the crowd. Also, how many arrests were made?

Exhibitman 08-07-2022 10:57 PM

This whole thing sounds like a pitch for an SNL skit: Two giant bags of dicks meet at a card show...

parkplace33 08-23-2022 12:35 PM

Any update on this story?

With all the cameras at the National, I would have thought something would have came out.

chriskim 08-23-2022 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parkplace33 (Post 2256012)
Any update on this story?

With all the cameras at the National, I would have thought something would have came out.


cameras at the National?? Really? I see many people take pics of cards but no cameras monitor the show floor.

joshuanip 08-23-2022 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadeast (Post 2249350)
FYI. Sorry if this was already posted, I didn't see any mention of it yet.

https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/n...-atlantic-city


Pretty elaborate hoax/theft for only $80K....

Leon 08-23-2022 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshuanip (Post 2256048)
Pretty elaborate hoax/theft for only $80K....

It might be worse if it's actually legitimate.


(as others have said in so many words)

Here, I don't know you that well but let me give you 85k in cards to give to someone else I have no idea about. And in about an hour I will start to get concerned = 85k lesson... bag or no bag
.

byrone 08-23-2022 04:52 PM

Charges filed

https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/n...-atlantic-city

ullmandds 08-23-2022 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by byrone (Post 2256121)


Some timing?

earlywynnfan 08-23-2022 05:25 PM

Holy F---, a former student of mine:(

G1911 08-23-2022 05:33 PM

The charges will be quietly dropped as Gizmos story falls apart, or this will be the funniest card trial in hobby history.

Johnny630 08-23-2022 05:35 PM

You can file charges against a chicken sandwich! Has he, the alleged suspect been charged via summons or arrest warrant/indictment? According to the article, it looks like AC PD requested he returns to AC to answer questions and make a statement. Seems like the AC County Prosecutor declined to make this an extraditable offense.

Yoda 08-24-2022 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2249393)
Never underestimate the lure of a triple scoop waffle cone.

With sprinkles, of course.

chadeast 08-24-2022 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2256140)
The charges will be quietly dropped as Gizmos story falls apart, or this will be the funniest card trial in hobby history.

I fully expect the former, but I pray for the latter :)

mrreality68 08-24-2022 03:42 PM

This would the start of a good Soap Opera or Reality Show on the World of Baseball Collecting and all the dangerous pitfalls.

Michael B 08-24-2022 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2256458)
This would the start of a good Soap Opera or Reality Show on the World of Baseball Collecting and all the dangerous pitfalls.

If it was a reality show we would ban all Karkrapians, Chrisley's, Jersey Shore folks, Married at First Sight and all of the other pathetic clowns that appear on those and similar 'reality' shows. No, I don't watch any of them. Unfortunately, when I am on the treadmill late at night watching re-runs of Castle, FBI, NCIS or the such, I am bombarded with ads for all those and others.

Lorewalker 08-24-2022 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2256140)
The charges will be quietly dropped as Gizmos story falls apart, or this will be the funniest card trial in hobby history.

I am so flying out for the trial. Getting there days in advance so I can get front row. Just saying in advance I will be charged with contempt of court for uncontrollable laughing during Gizmo's testimony.

1952boyntoncollector 08-24-2022 09:58 PM

I just read it over

Zero sense to know you got $1000 and then wait the next day? What the guy gave you $1000 by mistake instead of 100k?

Going to be hard to prove anything without receipts...dont know what cards taken dont know how much money taken. The dealer is the 'professional' in this and a greater duty on him. Would be interesting to see if 100k in cash was regularly reported on prior tax returns as well

G1911 08-24-2022 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2256567)
I am so flying out for the trial. Getting there days in advance so I can get front row. Just saying in advance I will be charged with contempt of court for uncontrollable laughing during Gizmo's testimony.

I didn’t fly out for the national. But I will fly first class to attend this show. This has the potential to be a comedic goldmine

Lorewalker 08-24-2022 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2256583)
I didn’t fly out for the national. But I will fly first class to attend this show. This has the potential to be a comedic goldmine

Exactly. I will clear my calendar. Find the finest hotel. Business class all the way. Dinner is on me.

Mark17 08-25-2022 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2256584)
Exactly. I will clear my calendar. Find the finest hotel. Business class all the way. Dinner is on me.

Are full, official transcripts publicly available? It would be a blast to have it posted here.

Defense Attorney: Didn't you count the money?
Plaintiff: It wasn't my job.

Aquarian Sports Cards 08-25-2022 08:27 AM

No way in hell this is going to trial...

G1911 08-25-2022 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2256653)
No way in hell this is going to trial...

It won’t, but let us dream.

T205 GB 08-25-2022 10:32 AM

If this is the same Gizmo that sells trimmed cards then oh well. He deserves it for ripping so many people off.

T205 GB 08-25-2022 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny630 (Post 2249642)
I wonder why Gizmo is on the National Committee?

Because you have to be a thief on a whole nother level to be on the board.

Rich Klein 08-25-2022 02:05 PM

Update as Posted on Sports Collectors Digest Web Page
 
https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/n...ource=hs_email

Lorewalker 08-25-2022 02:09 PM

Article was posted above a few days ago when it hit.

EddieP 08-30-2022 05:49 AM

Gizmo did an interview on youtube yesterday.

Zach Wheat 08-30-2022 07:28 AM

In the YouTube video the key takeaways I got were that he had done business with this person before and considered this person a "friend", had 2 witnesses for key parts of the exchange and would "...pursue this to the end", whatever that means.

bobbyw8469 08-30-2022 05:47 PM

New YouTube video interview with Rick Giddings.

jfkheat 08-30-2022 06:27 PM

Interview link

https://youtu.be/nc03BTv0vDk

Lorewalker 08-30-2022 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfkheat (Post 2258753)

Yeah that was awful. Gizmo comes off as every collectors' worst nightmare of the typical card dealer. It was hard for me to focus on the "story" because I was mesmerized by his persona. Might take a bit to purge that. Gotta run now and start trying.

Eric72 08-30-2022 07:34 PM

If I was the victim of an $80,000 crime, and the case/investigation was still ongoing, I would only be discussing the situation with legal counsel and law enforcement. Period.

I certainly wouldn't be providing an interview to some random content creator whose name I couldn't remember.

G1911 08-30-2022 07:51 PM

Does anyone know Porter? According to Gizmo the clown he’s active in the hobby, spends a lot, and has a criminal record. This 30 minute version of his story still doesn’t make any sense as having plausibly actually happened.

Mark17 08-30-2022 07:53 PM

I was just thinking, those boxes of cash could possibly (I don't know because I haven't seen them) said: $500.00 instead of $50000, if there was a very faint, almost invisible, decimal point there. So that could be a piece of the guy's defense.

Not a lawyer, but I'd think that would be important in knocking down the accusation of fraud. Unless The Giz has witnesses to him claiming it was $100,000 total in those boxes.

Shoeless Moe 08-30-2022 08:15 PM

I heard Gizmo got Jackie Chiles.

babraham 08-31-2022 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe (Post 2258798)
I heard Gizmo got Jackie Chiles.

"Your face is my case"

;):)

1952boyntoncollector 08-31-2022 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark17 (Post 2258791)
I was just thinking, those boxes of cash could possibly (I don't know because I haven't seen them) said: $500.00 instead of $50000, if there was a very faint, almost invisible, decimal point there. So that could be a piece of the guy's defense.

Not a lawyer, but I'd think that would be important in knocking down the accusation of fraud. Unless The Giz has witnesses to him claiming it was $100,000 total in those boxes.

if a witness to the 500 cash in ones..its pretty odd to give someone 500 1 dollar bills..

earlywynnfan 08-31-2022 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2258790)
Does anyone know Porter? According to Gizmo the clown he’s active in the hobby, spends a lot, and has a criminal record. This 30 minute version of his story still doesn’t make any sense as having plausibly actually happened.

Don't know him now, but he was raised chasing and enjoying autographs with his father. The whole family is extremely sports-oriented and good, good people. I know he has a record due to an unfortunate incident that had nothing to do with collectibles or theft or in any way would relate to this situation.

Mark17 08-31-2022 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector (Post 2258843)
..its pretty odd to give someone 500 1 dollar bills..

Obviously you and I go to different night clubs. :)

G1911 08-31-2022 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan (Post 2258902)
Don't know him now, but he was raised chasing and enjoying autographs with his father. The whole family is extremely sports-oriented and good, good people. I know he has a record due to an unfortunate incident that had nothing to do with collectibles or theft or in any way would relate to this situation.

Gizmo’s story is so absurd that it can’t be true (it’s possible there was a theft but not like this). I hope, guilty of some sort of theft or innocent, this man knows his name is getting very publicly trashed. This whole situation just screams to hear from the other side.


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