New member cuban cards
 

Hi everyone my name is Rolando I am collector and author of Specialized Catalogue of Cuban Baseball Card 1909-1957. Bests regards.

Welcome!! I have the Susini baseball cards and a few other odds and ends I purchased at flea markets in Havana a few years back.

Enjoy!!


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Dear John, the Susini cards only 3 cards in yeard 1917. Regards

Welcome to the board Rolando, glad you able to join the group!

For those who don't know, Rolando is the main man when it comes to Cuban baseball cards and collectibles, many of the items we see here in the States has been in his personal collection at one time or another.

Being a Cuban Baseball collector I have been fortunate to trade many emails with Rolando and also be one of the first to own his new Cuban Baseball card guide, filled with wonderful background information and complete checklists of the sets from the early 1900's in the late 50's.
The book has not been massed produced as of yet and there has only been a few copies made but hopefully he can garner some interest, especially from the Cuban and Negro baseball collectors that are on this board and see if that leads to something bigger.

Steve

Welcome Rolando!

cool...welcome! I no longer have any cuban cards in my collection. I once had a cuban girlfriend...all gone!

Lets see some cuban cards!

Welcome
 

Hola Rolando we are happy to have you here! Rocky

Welcome Rolando! I'm working on 1924 Diaz. Here's what I have so far:

That would be an interesting book. Try lulu.com. They have a pretty decent self-publishing system. I use them for my books.

Great Diaz collection, Luke!

Welcome! I am interested in the history of Cuban baseball and baseball cards...and would be interested in your guide. Are you offering it for sale now...even if in limited quantities? I am sure many here would be interested as well

Mike

What I know is he has made 10 copies and they’re all in Spanish.
I believe one will be available on eBay soon, Rolando may be able to provide more details when he jumps back on the board.

Welcome! It's great to have someone with your knowledge base here on the boards!

Rolando, welcome to the Board.

I would also be interested in your guide as well (either in English or Spanish as I am fluent in both, I lived in Ecuador for several years when I was younger.) If you were in need of any help with anything like that let me know.

Welcome, Rolando, and to echo the others I am also interested in owning a copy of your book.

Luke--Great Diaz collection!

Stay safe,
Mike

Welcome! Looking forward to learning more about you and Cuban cards.

Hi Rolando!

It's always interesting to get insights into cards that most of us did not know existed.

I've been looking for a card of Henry Kimbro, and I believe he is in a few Cuban issues. Do you (or does anyone else) have any ideas as to how to track one down, aside from waiting for one to come up on ebay?

Kimbro is in the Caramelos El Indo, Almanaque Deportivo and Caramelo Deportivos sets, I believe. The El Indio and Almanaque are pretty difficult to find. The Caramelos pops up on eBay on occasion and is not too expensive if you can find one.

Thank you Kenny. I'll look out for all of them, but it sounds like the Caramelo Deportivos is my best bet since any set from his playing days will do.

I have a few small Cuban pieces in my collection.

For Rhett had all
 

Rhett, como tu hablas español te saludo, ayer conteste a todos sus preguntas, pero no aparecen mis respuestas no se que pasa, si sale este mensaje entonces volveré a escribirles a todos, ayer mi catalogo aparece en ebay cuban baseball, saludos a todos

For Luke
 

Hi Luke I had the entire collection, on december 2020 were sold on ebay Walter Johnson, Grover Alexander and Arthur Vance, this Vance in the photo was mine. Regars

The catalog is listed on ebay :
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLANDO-SAN...IAAOSwAuVgMZB6


Here is one of my Cuban items...

Rolando - Ese libro esta increible! Creo qu necesitas tratar de reproducir mas para venta. Si solo hay 10, la historia no se puede pasar a la jente.

Saludos
Felipe

Hi Steve, you are right, I plan to make more catalogs, but at the moment there is a delay, there are 3 volumes, the first is this specialized catalog of postcards 1909-1957, the second volume is a catalog of postcards and printed matter 1881-1961, the third catalog is clothing, fabrics, glassware, ceramics etc, the latter is in print and will be ready in a few days, and then I can send others to print. As for the sale price, I am not the seller, he decides the price he wants, the seller took 3 books last December, the first one put a starting price of $ 79.99 on ebay and it sold for $ 307.99, the second He sold it last January in a store format with a starting price of $ 300 and it was also sold, let's wait to see how much it arrives. These catalogs are my 38-year research work on Cuban baseball memorabilia, greetings.

Friend Steve Peissig greetings, I just received your email for me through Clem, I have sent answers to you and others in this thread who have asked me but, they have not come out, I hope this comes out. Now there is my catalog on ebay Cuban baseball and this is the last of the three that my friend took to Spain, perhaps when the second volume returns this form, which is the 1881-1961 Post Card Catalog which is more than double the information and of photos than the first and can carry more copies of the first two volumes, I am finishing the third. There is a previous message for Steve but that is not for you, it was for the other thread and I was wrong and put it here. Greetings.

Hola Rolando, mi amigo!!!!

-Ryan

Ryan
 

Ryan ml friend !!! It is good to have you in this thread because you are an expert in Cuban postcards. Now I remember years ago when you went to my house and we spent many hours looking at and analyzing the postcards. If you can enter the catalog item for sale, the seller shows 12 images of the pages and you will see some unusual things in Gener 1925 Cigars, Cabañas, Punch etc. Now there are the images, but later when finished they disappear, greetings.

John
 

Hola John I am sorry but only cuban pin.

Hello Mungo Hungo, you ask me about letters from Henry Kimbro, I have them all, the answer that Kenny Cole informed you is correct, greetings

Answers to questions that have been asked me in emails and private emails. 1-More than 2,500 postcards are cataloged in the catalog. 2- It is printed on 130g chrome paper. the cover in 250g chromed and laminated cardboard. all in color. 3- All the images on the cards have been in my hands and through many years I have scanned or photographed them. 4-Volume 2 is post card and printed 1881-1961.

Welcome Rolando,

I've often wondered if Don Zimmer has any other Cuban card/postcard issues other than this 1952 Victoria issue. Any idea?

http://baseballcardstars.com/zimfile...52VICTORIA.jpg http://baseballcardstars.com/zimfile...2VICTORIAB.jpg

Hi Brad, Don Zimmer played in Cuba in the 1951-52 seasons with Cuenfuegos and 1952-53 with Cienfuegos and Marianao, this is the only known Zimmer card, in my collection I have some of his photos and also balls signed by him, with the teams he played in Cuba. Regards.

Answers to questions 1- As you saw in the images shown in the catalog item, in the case of the Cabañas 1909 Cigar cards, in the Detroit team two different cards are shown because they are two different impressions, which appear in the lower bar that identifies the player, these variations appear on the 12 cards, that is to say: there are 24, when I started the collection many years ago in my portfolio there were 24. On the same page there are 3 Luis Bustamante cards as all three have different names in the bottom bar, that's why they scan all three. On the same sheet of the Cabañas Cigars book, the photo that you see taken by me at my work table, with some cards next to it, that is the original sheet designed in the printing press before printing the cards.

Diaz 1924? That factory never existed, in 1870s Tomas Gutiérrez registered his trademark and remained with that name until 1960, since its foundation it had several owners, in 1910 it was Manuel López and that same year the owners of the El Rey del Mundo Factory, it was Diaz, y Cia. In my catalog they appear with his real name Tomás Gutiérrez Major League Baseball 1924. I don't know who put these cards Diaz, but he made a serious mistake, since they call them by a false name.

Hello Jason 19, I do not know the book you mention from 1870, baseball entered Cuba in 1864 when Nemesio Guillo brought the first bat and ball to Cuba after studying in the United States, it is known from some games one between players from Havana and American sailors who challenged them, that was in 1868, and some games are known 1874, 1878, in this year the first official game of Cuban Baseball is played, I know from newspaper and magazine writings of that time, the first magazine of Baseball in Cuba and Latin America was printed on the island in 1881 and its name was "Base ball" in volume 2 of my catalogs, I show photos from that magazine.

Jason 19
 

Jason 19 answered him a few minutes ago and I told him that he does not know that book, because the image that you sent me does not correspond to the cover of the book, but, it seemed familiar to me, now I looked for the book in my collection and I found it, I have it in almost perfect condition, its original title is: "Los Sport y la Higiene" its author is Blas San Martin, I also have another edition from 1887.

Welcome
 

Happy to see that you have joined the board Rolando. I appreciate your knowledge of the history of Cuban baseball.

I have a question about Kevin Connors.

He played with the Club Almendares in 1948. He later went on to be a famous actor staring in the TV show The Rifleman.

He is pictured below in this Cuban baseball program that I have from 1949-50. Is there any other Cuban issues from the time that he played baseball in Cuba that feature Kevin Connors?

I appreciate any information that you or other board members can give me.

Best regards,

Joe

Connors is in the Acebo set.

Joe, I will tell you that there are many things about Kevin Connor that I will mention in 2 messages, In cards: 1- Catamelos El Indio postcard # 6, 2- Diaz Orthopedics # 13. 3- Aceb # 12 matches

Hello, I apologize but when I started the previous message they called me on the phone and I had to leave in my car, I will try to finish now. Kevin Connors appears in several collections, In my specialized catalog: El Indio # 6. Ortopedia Díaz # 13 in this collection that is rare also appears Ray Dandridge's postcard and on the catalog page you can see his photos and numbers. Aceb # 12 although this collection is not numbered, but I have the original photos with which the cards were printed. Kevin in my catalog # 2, on cards and postcard: Trinidad and Hno. Rollos Ansco, Sol de Oro, Newton Estape 8 "× 10", all of the above is Connor in photos where he is alone. In collections in large format but together with the other Almendares players, Publicidad Menendez, there are 2 printed in black and blue, Victory Banquet at the Coca Cola factory in Havana, Diploma of the Photos Magazine, Sport Guia Magazine, Magazine Chronicle, Board of Directors of Almendares, this form was from my father and he took all the players to sign it, the signatures of Connors and Monte Irvin appear, now an anecdote of this photo, in 2004 Monte Irvin was here in My house with Belinda Manning, the daughter of Max Manning, they were on that first visit to my house the same as in the second more than 5 hours, seeing things from when he played in Cuba and I showed him that form signed by him, that's where he looks at me and he says to me: look Rolando, I'm with Connors The Rifleman. Irvin and I had a great friendship and for years we had contact by mail and emails, one day he sent me one telling me that Buck O'Neil wanted to come to my house that if I agreed to prepare the trip, I said yes, but at the unfortunately a short time passed away.

The message that my friend Monte Irvin sent me told me that Buck O'Neil wanted to come to my house that if I agreed to prepare the trip and see so many things that Monte told him, I said yes but unfortunately he passed away. Irvin also saw balls signed by him at that time and also signed by Connors. I asked Irvin what your first card was and he told me the Topp, then I said: No! Your first card was Caramelos El Indio, he was amazed because he had never seen it.

Thanks
 

Thanks Kenny & Rolando for the information on Connors. I appreciate it.

Enjoyed your personal story Rolando about Monte Irvin. Now I know where to go for detailed information on Cuban baseball.

I do have a photograph of a professional ballplayer in my Cuban collection. There is a name on the back but I am not sure if it is of the player. Perhaps you can give me some information on him.

Thank you,

Joe

Spalding Guide in Spanish. Hello, in your email you ask me if it is true that a guide was printed in Spanish in 1908, I am going to expand the answer, now I have in my hands the first Spalding Guide in Spanish 1885, it is something very interesting since A.G. Spalding writes about the advances of baseball in Cuba and authorizes the printing of the guide in Cuba, among other things that he describes in his writing and signs it, in all its pages baseball is described in Cuba at that time. Now I have the 1908 guide, very interesting everything that has to do with statistics and mainly the photos of the players from that era of the black leagues, the teams that visited Cuba in those years, etc. The Spalding guides in Spanish are a great rarity since a small number of copies were printed. A few years ago an American collector who visited me told me that the few pages they have appear on the Library of Congress, the Black Leagues and the Hall of Fame pages.

I have been lucky to acquire two Spaulding Cuban Editions 1906 and 1915-16. Both are incomplete and in poor condition but they are among my most treasured items

You ask me in your email if I can answer you some questions from Ted William and Mikey Mantle when they were in Havana, but you don't tell me what you want to know, I've been answering questions about Cuban baseball for more than 30 years, for me it's a pleasure to answer Any question they ask me so repeat the email and tell me.

Jason 19 Hello, I saw the photos you sent of the Spalding guides in Spanish, you are right, although they are deteriorated they are rarities, I think the same as you. Since I've only been in the thread a few days, I have to familiarize myself and I don't know how to send photos, when I know you will see strange things.

Willie Mays at the Cerro Stadium, in your email you ask me if Mays played at the Cerro, that question has a long answer but I am going to give you a summary. There are 3 answers 1- Yes, the juice in the practices in the fields. 2- His records do not exist because he did not line up in any game. 3- Juice with another name? The story is long but I will tell you something, Mays was recommended to the owners of Almendares by Leo Durocher, Mendoza the owner of the team hired him, but when he arrived in Cuba he was already injured they waited for his recovery and he began in practice and at that moment there was A false report from Alejandro Pompez to the Major Leagues saying that he had been injured in Cuba, so they prohibited him from playing in the championship, he continued practicing on the field and was in uniform, he signed many balls, in my collection I had 2, shora comes the part interesting, which is the answer 3, many years ago I was young and I was next to two men and they always told me anecdotes about the ball and that day in a moment to

Hello Joe, the photo you sent me is of Jorge Torres known as (Cocoliso) corresponds to the Federation championship and the team is named Santiago, initially Ray Brown and Leon Day were in that team. Now I ask you how I am new and I am not practical, What to do to put photos in this thread, greetings.

Never mind...

Hello Felipe Duran, I have written to you 3 times in Spanish days ago and the message does not come out, so it is in English, you are right in what you propose to do more and that I think, but there have been delays, the pandemic etc. Regards.

Hello, you ask me which was the first North American team to play in Cuba, to that question I give 2 answers: As appears in a publication of that time, sailors from a merchant ship who were in the port of Matanzas challenged players from Havana for a game and the players from Havana went to Matanzas and played with the North American sailors.This happened in 1868 and I consider it the first international baseball game, now officially in December 1879, a North American team called "Hop Bitter 'and they held matches on the grounds of" El Siboney "or" Tulipan "in Cerro, the meeting was on December 20, 1879.

Hello, you ask me which was the first North American team to play in Cuba, to that question I give 2 answers: As appears in a publication of that time, sailors from a merchant ship who were in the port of Matanzas challenged players from Havana for a game and the players from Havana went to Matanzas and played with the North American sailors.This happened in 1868 and I consider it the first international baseball game, now officially in December 1879, a North American team called "Hop Bitter 'and they held matches on the grounds of" El Siboney "or" Tulipan "in Cerro, the meeting was on December 20, 1879.

Ted Williams and Miikey Mantle in Havana, I answer your question that I now receive, if I have photos of them, from Ted at Stadium La Tropical at home plate at bat, another very interesting from Ted at the bar of the world famous "Sloppy Joe's "This bar-restaurant owes its name to John Mc Graw, who was the one who called it that way and its owner, a Spaniard, gave it that official name, it is a very interesting story but it would take a long time to answer. Of Mantle now I have in my hands a unique photo: Mantle in the box of the Estadio del Cerro preparing to throw the ball (pitcher).

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...pictureid=6527https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...pictureid=7565https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...pictureid=7454
https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=15639https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=15641https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=15642

Still missing 2 Indians but I know where 1 is

Always looking for Guy Morton but Diaz are tricky

thanks for the response Rolando...

Hello, Jack Vernon, you are right, the Diaz cards, that I call them by their real name Tomas Gutiérrez are complicated, I had the 136 cards and it took 4 years to complete them, but you have an excellent collection, you say that you are missing 2, in December last on ebay they sold Walter Johnson, Grover Alexander and A. Vance, those were mine, you tell me you are missing # 55. Tell me, what is the other one that you lack?

I'm looking for #129 Philip Bedgood and as you said #55 Guy Morton

I'm also looking for #5 Pete Donohue as well as upgrades on #83 Joe Shaute, #113 George Metevier and #133 Byron Speece

That's incredible that you had a full set, I only thought one existed that sold in the '90s

Hello everyone, now I connected to ebay cuban baseball and I see that my catalog was sold last Saturday, I am sure that the winner is one of the participants in this thread, known to me previously or the new ones that I am getting to know, the winner of Now I do not know when you will receive the book since it is a shipment from Spain, at the moment this is the last that you will see, the 3 bought by American collectors, For me it is a satisfaction that the first is in the hands of Steve Peissig, since we have Previous contacts and I know that he is a great connoisseur of Cuban cards, the others do not know who they are, but I am sure that they are also knowledgeable and will have it as a guide of what they know and what they have never seen in terms of Cuban cards.

Rolando, I collect 1924 Tomas Gutiérrez (Diaz) cards of Washington Senators pitchers. The cards I have are pictured below. I am looking for any that I don't have, such as Marberry, Mogridge & Zahniser, and upgrades of my worst-condition cards. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated.

Kenny Cole
 

Hi Kenny Cole now I connected to the thread and I read your message that you won the catalog I am very happy since we have been in contact for some time, I have not received any recent message through Clem, he is a great person and very helpful, but with a lot He works and constantly receives emails and they accumulate and he delays in answering them, a few days ago he was sick and an email that I sent him told me that he would send them in a few days when he was better in health, he had had to go to the hospital, he answered that already I was better, the last email from you to me, I answered you right away, I don't know if you received it, this was I think more than a week ago, I answered your questions; Yes, I have separated the Mallorquinas cards, Cabañas, the Alejandro Oms postcards from 1919, the 1920 ones, the Cuban Stars, etc., The Mallorquinas from W. Foster and Lloyd, when you asked I no longer had them, when I received your message from Clem I answer you through him, greetings

Jack Vernon
 

Hello Jack, now I see your message, yesterday when I answered the previous one, I saw the message but the photos you sent did not come out, now I see them and I tell you that of the 6 that I see, 3 were mine about 5 years ago, so you have something that was mine at one time, of the missing cards I think I have nothing, I'm going to look, and take note.

Kenny Cole
 

Kenny I have a question about your last email, I wrote you yesterday, but there is something I need you to answer me, Mallorquinas and Cabañas ok. postcard 1918 Oms and team ok. J.F. 1921 Cubans Star autographed ok. The question I have is in the 1921 postcard of Champion Mesa and team, the latter yes or no, answer me here, the rest are no problem, I have not received the emails you mentioned, greetings.

Val Kehl
 

Hello, Val Kehl, now I am looking at the cards in your collection, you have good cards and the main one in the collection, I now take note of what is missing, at the moment I do not have any of them, if I find any I will let you know . Greetings

Joe
 

Hello Joe, now looking for other things I found a form where Kevin Connor appears that I had not mentioned to you, it is from Bohemla magazine, large size: 18.5 "× 12". It is in color with all the players who won the championship 48-49. Now an anecdote, when Irvin was at my house I showed it to him to sign it, he had never seen it and he asked me to get him one, the next day I looked and found it, when he made the next visit I gave it to him I saw it very happy and told me that he was going to put it in a frame at his house, in that form Irvin and Connor appear side by side

Album Tomas Gutiérrez
 

Hello, my answer is yes, those leaves that you see in Cuban ebay belong to the luxury album of Tomás Gutiérrez, it is unfortunate that they find it mutilated finger by finger so to speak, that tobacco manufacturer gave away the postcards when buying the pack and for To get the album you had to take the entire collection to the factory and they gave you the album, all of them are of such rarity, I don't know how many it printed, but I have had 3 of different years in my hands, all of them have unique characteristics.

Babe Ruth on Cubans Cards
 

Babe Ruth on Cuban cards. I answer you that where the image of Babe Ruth first appeared was in 1924 in the printed album of Tomas Gutiérrez, to obtain this album it was necessary to deliver the complete collection of the 136 pitchers in the factory. In my catalog on the Tomas Gutiérrez Major League 1924 collection page appears the album cover and the page corresponding to New York and we see Babe and all the team members in individual photos, In 1930 Ruth also appears in the Chocolate Baguer collection in a card to stick in the album, in Montiel Collections 1946-47 with # 41 appears Babe, to stick in the album.u

Hola rolando
 

Octavio gracias por todo mi amigo..looking for my first type cuban card.As a fellow cuban ,,would love to own a hall of famer ,,gracias octavio

Hello Octavio, in your message that I did not understand well, I think you mentioned to me about the Hall of Fame, in Cuba the Hall was created in 1939, some time after the one in the United States, from 1939 to 1961, 68 members were exalted, but at the end Professional Baseball in Cuba stopped working, in 2014 we met a group of 12 people between journalists and historians and after 3 months preparing the regulations etc. We put it to work again, 10 were exalted, from the professional stage 5 and the National Series 5, the exaltation took place in December 2014 with a historic act before starting the All-Star Game. Orestes Miñoso, Camilo Pascual, Conrado Marrero, A. Maestri, Esteban Bellan who played in the leagues in the United States in the 19th century were exalted, there is much to write about this since I was from the first moment in the group of 12. Greetings

Octavio
 

Hello Octavio, now I see that you read the thread, I will tell you something more about the Hall of Fame of Cuba, in his first election they were 10, the first one that appears on the plaque is Bustamante, Jose Mendez, Cristobal Torriente, also Marsan, Almeida etc. , the first plaque was made of bronze and was placed in the Estadio de la Tropical, when the Great Stadium of Havana was inaugurated it was replaced by a marble plaque, and every year the names of the new members were included in bronze letters, that plaque was restored a few months ago along with another plaque of the players who went to the War of Independence of 1895, this plaque was inaugurated in 1948, on December 29, 2020, in an act to celebrate the date of "Dia del Baseball "were unveiled on one of the walls of the Estádium, and after the restoration they recovered all their splendor, that day 29, the date of the first" Official Game "is commemorated when Habana and Almendares inaugurated the first Cuban championship with a game. in 187 8.

Punch 1910
 

Hello, you tell me to answer you on the thread. "Punch" 1910. You say that you saw the images in my catalog on ebay, now I answer you, In the list of the known cards appear, since perhaps there are more, some of the players who played in the series do not appear in the collection and the answer is: the cards were not made or until now none have appeared, but they could appear in the future. This collection is of great rarity. Another of your questions I answer, I show two Chicho González cards because they are both different, in one of them the letters are printed in block letters and in the other handwritten, in one it says Pitcher and in the other not, this variation appears in several, but I put Chicho because of the anecdote that he threw Ty Cobb in a game 3 times and he always dominated it. In 1910 when Detroit and Philadelphia played the series with Habana and Almendares there are many things to tell, two Cigarette Factories had a relationship with these teams "Punch" and "Larrañaga" I will tell you this and other things in another message.

Caramelo Deportivo
 

I do have a question.
I have a complete set of the 1945-46 Caramelo Deportivo set minus the three big negro leaguers and Reyes.

My question is, has there ever been a definitive answer to how the Reyes card was distributed?

I love the set because it was really the only baseball card set issued in 1945.

Marcos
 

Hello Marcos, you ask me about Napoleon Reyes from "Felice" 1945, now I answer you, in my specialized catalog on the page corresponding to that series I give the whole answer with 4 Napoleon cards scanned in all their variants, but I will tell you that this card is very rare, when the series came out the news was given that there was a card that would be the prize that the factory would give to all who presented it, for a long time many collectors completed 99 cards and all of them lacked # 73, then they began to appear with some characteristics: 1- the normal card that is to say with the face of Reyes. 2- The card with a stamp that said "Exclusively to collect" 3-The card with a stamp that said "Exclusively to collect" and underneath another stamp that said "No premium" 4- The premium card that was the most important and rare, the card had a quadrangular stamp that reads: "Candy Packing Company, address and telephone number and the manager's signature." There were very few of the premium, but also in any of the variants that I mentioned.

Punch 1910 (2)
 

Hello now I'm still with him Comment of the factories "Punch and Larrañaga" as we all know the first gift with cards of the players inside their cigarette packs, the cigarette manager Larrañaga in a meeting with the visiting players announced that if they beat Habana in the series and Almendares, they had an invitation to the factory and I would give them gifts, the Tigres won the series against the Cubans, but the Athletics lost, at the end of the series all the Detroit players went to the Larrañaga Factory, now I have a photo in front of me Of all of them dressed very elegantly with some of the gifts that were large bundles of the best cigars, Ty Cobb is seen smiling in front of them. Of that American series I know many anectdotes, but I will tell you some: Ty Cobb in that series could never steal any base, but in a game 3 times he tried but Bruce Petway took him out on two occasions and the third was Gervasio González, Cobb is Once he protested saying that the base was at a greater distance, then the judges sent to measure and it was found that he was 3 "further away, he immediately put himself in his place, but the out decision remained, Cobb in his first game hitting home. Rum, Mendez struck him out once, Chicho González removed him 3 times in a row without Cobb getting on base and in that game Chicho blanked Detroit. Pop Lloyd, in the series against Detroit he used shinguards on his legs, he said he saw the players sharpening the spikes and throwing themselves hard In another message I will continue and tell you how the first cards from this factory appeared and how they were collected according to how they appeared in 1983, which was when the first ones were seen.

Punch 1910 (3)
 

Hello, I continue the above, as a collector of various things except baseball in 1983 I was appointed a member of the Havana Philately Club, there we met on Saturdays and Sundays, and among the collectors we made exchanges, one day one of the partners appeared with 5 White sheets but with damp spots on the bottom, 4 of the sheets had postage stamps, but the one who glued those stamps stuck them in the shape of a "T" on all the sheets, above in ink on 2 of the sheets they wrote Cuba and in the other 2 Spain because they were stamps from those countries, in the other above it said "Punch" because they were images of players, the stamps were emissions from 1908-1911 but they were very common stamps and nobody was interested, he asked for each sheet $ 5, when they were in my hands I saw something new for me which were the baseball cards, on that sheet stuck in the shape of a "T" there were about 20, I returned the sheets and when about 2 hours passed and saw that no one got them I bought the rebates at $ 1 per cad A leaf, but neither me nor anyone, then before leaving he looked at us all annoyed and tore all the leaves and put them in the trash can, nobody collected baseball cards, but weeks later I realized the mistake I made. Years later, as a collector, some cards began to appear, but those from 1910 were very rare, in that year there were no baseball collectors and when those cards were in the packs, smokers who were not interested in baseball at that time threw them on the floor, To the one who was interested, I pasted them like the story I did before, on one occasion years ago they brought me 11 cards, the collector pasted them on the album, but one next to the other without leaving space between them despite the fact that the album had the didujo of the separate paintings, a few years ago a friend called me to go to his house to see some "Punch" cards, the collector in 1910 pasted them on a newspaper sheet from that year and folded the page, it is a miracle that when that folded sheet would not vote for it, and among the postcards on that sheet was Ty Cobb.

Punch 1910 (4)
 

Hello, the cards that were on the newspaper page when they were taken off I took them to my house to scan them, then I returned them to my friend but he did not sell them to me, some time later I saw them on ebay, Ty Cobb's card was sold well. These were the last I saw, after that none have appeared. I think that in 1910 around 20% of the smokers kept them, some pasted them in the album, others pasted them as described above, while those who saved it were alive, maybe 15% kept them in an envelope or inside a book. , from 1910 to 1983 when I saw the first ones, that is, 73 years, those cards were in the hands of children, grandchildren or their children, in all these years almost all of them surely disappeared, for no interest of the heirs, perhaps 1% of these cards remain, in that% are those that have appeared and some that I hope could appear. So far this is my answer to what you asked me about the "Punch", in the next one is my answer to your questions about the "Cabaña" which by the way these were the first ones I bought and had.

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Hello, I answer you through the thread because it is your wish, the questions of the 1909 "Cabañas Cigars" cards, Los Tigres after winning the American League and losing the world series came to Cuba to hold several meetings with Habana and Almendares, and The cards were printed for them, as shown in my catalog only the names of the cards that are known appear, I know 8 players from Almendares but perhaps more of them were made, but so far they have not appeared the same happens with the Havana cards , which if it is certain is the 12 of the Detroit team since I show you the original sheet before printing with the faces of the 11 players and the umpire, there are variations for example Luis Bustamante has 3 different cards in terms of the information that It appears in the description at the bottom, the same happens with Heliodoro Hidalgo, and in the 12 of Detroit the lower bar that identifies the player has a different design, that is, there are 24 cards of the T igres because this variation appears in all of them, they are the first known Cuban baseball cards, and of great rarity. The series was won by the Cubans 4-2, and the game on November 18 was something impressive since Bombin Pedroso in 11 innin who acted as a pitcher did not allow the Tigers a hit. Later I will continue because now I have to charge the battery of the mobile.

Rolando, thanks for all of this information, this is the sort of thread that makes Net54 special! I have some Billikens and one Cabanas, and I love the aesthetic of Cuban cards. I would be delighted to hear when your book becomes available for sale.

Seth
 

Hello Seth, you say that this is the type of thread that makes net54 special, I try to answer the questions as completely as possible, there is something very important to me which is the history of baseball, all the cards tell a story, in the "Cabañas Cigars and" Punch "is the history of the American series that took place every year in Cuba, each card is part of history. For example, in the 1910 series there are the cards of Ty Cobb and" Pop "Lloyd, two of the greats of all time but there are more, Major League Baseball players and Black League players, who played historical and friendly matches in Cuba, you say you have a Cabañas Cigar postcard, so with that single card you have in your collection part of the history of those parties of 1909, from my point of view all cards have the same historical value, be it a Ty Cobb card or the most unknown of the series, this has nothing to do with the value cad commercial On the card, I thank you for finding my writings in a guiding way.As for the question you ask me about my catalog, I will tell you that due to covid19, there have been delays, so far there are only 10 printed copies, 3 of them are in the United States, and all are in the hands of net54 members, I think when the situation will normalize and the 3 volumes are printed with some copies in Spanish, start printing in English with more copies, now I have I have to go out in my car, when I return I will continue with what I left unfinished yesterday from the 1909 cards, I will tell you interesting things.

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Now continue, Pedroso despite not allowing a hit in the 11 innings, allowed a run by mistake in shooting by Cabañas to first and O'Loughlin the umpire despite the protests of the public declared the run valid, and the match was tied, In the 11 innings, Cabañas at bat retaliated for his mistake in the outside and with a man in third he touched the ball (squeese play) and the game was over, the supporters of Almendares organized a money collection for Bombin Pedroso and the president of Cuba José Miguel Gómez and his son who was also president years later also contributed, the Detroit players, George Mullin and O'Leary also gave their monetary contribution in recognition of the great game launched by Pedroso, $ 300 was raised and Bombin Pedroso looked very happy. Days after the end of this series, an "All Stars" team arrived in Cuba to hold several meetings with the Cubans. These American Series were held in Cuba every year and in them the greats of Major League Baseball participated, including Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Ted Williams and many more, in those games the best faced the best of Cuba and of the Negro Leagues that played in the Habana and Almendares teams, that is why I believe that all those games are part of the history of baseball in Cuba and also in the United States, the collections of cards from 1909 and 1910 show us this history and each card it is part of it. We will continue with the Cabañas Cigars cards, very interesting anecdotes of how they appeared in the 1980s, now I take a break to continue later.