Popular National Acquisition - Covid
 

Lots of reports of people getting Covid at National and bringing it’s home per Twitter. Could be a significant super spreader event if these stories are true. Shocked I tell you …. Shocked.

ya...been hearing this too...makes me rethink going to the MN state fair later this month!!!!!

Who could have seen that coming? ;)

No chance I'm taking my family. Was thinking James J. Hill but not that either. Sucks

As an exhibitor, I expected this as less than 1% of customers wore masks. I should have worn one as I did last year, and now I will probably suffer for that. I've already had Covid once and took the infusion last time, which I would think about if I get it again.

Let's hope this isn't a rampant exposure where many get Covid!!!!

Stay safe.

Steve_NY

Stuff was going around in my area a couple weeks ago. The people I knew who got it and had their shots recovered very fast and it only bothered them for about a day. I did not know anyone without their shots who contracted it. After their quarantine the ones who got it were just fine. I am done with the National and all bigger shows. Sticking closer to home.

I saw a few people with masks on, but overall little to no masks, and big crowds in areas that weren't well ventilated. I'm vaccinated, I've felt fine since my return Sunday morning, and have tested negative but will continue to test throughout the week. We had to expect some cases to pop up.

I am skeptical that masks help.

Hopefully it is minimal and hopefully those who got only have mild to minor symptoms.

I took some precautions as best I could but did not wear mask even though I had it with me.

I tested negative so I escaped luckily. Hopefully everyone here escaped it

C'mon Pete...what's there to worry about? :p

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I think that twitter post said he personally knew 40 people from the show that came up positive. I know at least 2 so far. I took a test before getting on the plane and again when I got home and negative. Going to test for a couple more days. Hope I can dodge the bullet. But expect with all 3 shots even if I do get it, will only be minor symptoms. I'm more afraid of long covid than just the one and done version. yikes.

The medical community for the most part says that N95s and KN95s do. I would agree that the cloth ones don't do much.

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If worn properly. I only recall seeing a few people over the last two years who I would judge as wearing a useful mask in a useful way. I tried to shake their hands, but they avoided me for some reason.

There seems to be less room for error with certain N95s with overhead straps. It's easy to get a tight seal. Not at all pleasant to wear, but to an extent one adjusts. Just an observation not a judgment, but with the continued aggressive presence of the virus even in the warm weather, I find it surprising that the vast majority of the populace has just abandoned masks even in indoor settings.

OMG not this again..

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Did someone say”guns?”

I know many of my fellow Hobby Hotline hosts who shared a beach house during the show have come down with the virus.

Frankly, as virulent as things were last week I was totally comfortable when the Dr told me NOT to go because of my wife's Covid diagnosis. Thankfully she is doing much better

Rich

Glad to hear she's on the mend Rich.

After having cancer twice and now the luck of an absolute crap immune system from the chemo, I got the early shots for the virus as soon as it was allowed. Also had a booster last winter and another at my docs request this year.

Try to stay as safe as possible but still got a case last summer and am just now recovering from my second diagnosed 4 weeks ago. I will say that the infusion therapy is awesome on keeping it at a crappy flu level if your doc can get you in quick.

At this point and after all this crap, I just am throwing up my hands and living my life. I think this is now the world we live in and I am sick of hiding. Que cera cera.

Going where I want now whether my wife hates it or not, lol.

I hear you. Stay healthy.

Seriously? Are you in the medical field? If masks don’t help, the next time you have surgery or any type of medical procedure just tell the doctor not to wear one. Since you don’t think they really do much.

Glad she is all right Rich.

LOL, you seem to be quite the expert. I gave you my opinion, you don't have to like it but it is mine. I am skeptical of your medical credentials as well.

Who would have thunk everyone who attended the National would have been unvaccinated. :rolleyes:

Covid is rampant
 

Covid is rampant again -take any precaution you feel is necessary and in your personal best interest --

It is around here to some extent. Not like the outbreak before shots and boosters. Also, I don't know of anyone dying like in the previous one, in early 2021.

Oh, for f***'s sake, haven't you learned by now: don't feed the trolls.

My thought process after playing it pretty safe for last two years is that this strain doesn't seem to be as deadly as the OG and Delta. I would rather not get it if possible but am tired of wearing the mask and am ok with relying on the 3 shots to protect me from a serious outcome. On the uber ride from Philly to AC, I read about POTUS doing ok after his two bouts and thought screw it...I'll do the show maskless. It's really tough to transact not to mention converse with people wearing a mask. Day 1 back in LA and so far so good. Tested twice and still in the negative. Will test again tomorrow just to be safe. Hoping all my fellow hobbyists who came down with it get well soon with mild symptoms!

How is this website free? With takes like this Leon should be charging at least 19.99 per month for the laughs.

I brought a mask on Friday, of course I grabbed the one with a broken strap so it was useless. I got a very sore throat later that day and thought perhaps, but it was too quick for reaction from exposure. It was probably from not drinking any water during the day as my mouth and throat were dry. Wore one all day on Saturday. Sore throat went away on Sunday. Wife with severe anxiety insisted on test which was negative. My body temp runs low. It was 96.6º - 97.8º Sunday to Monday. Waiting for my wife's 50th birthday in a few weeks so we can get our second boosters together. Still wear my mask in the mall, grocery store and on the Metro. Cautious pragmatism is best.

Unless you are a pathologist or virologist your Qmoron conspiracy theory uneducated comments are just verbal diarrhea and I don't give a rat's rump what you have to say.

+1 for you Bob...lack of even the tiniest bit of research is amazing.
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I agree. I’ll choose to listen to my friends and family in the medical field as well as the doctor I have to see monthly for a chronic Illness over some Jack ass on a baseball card message board. But Ike Adam said don’t feed the trolls. They live off fighting over things they aren’t qualified to discuss.

Personally, I don’t see what good will come from this thread or why it’s sitting on the main page of the WWII and Older BASEBALL CARD section. Let’s talk cards here not Covid. Can we banish this thread to the water cooler section (where it belongs) just like Joe Jax was banished from baseball?!?!?

I wouldn't mind this Jackson being banished to my collection. I always consider cards that I end up with as serving a life sentence, with the occasional chance for parole for a few lucky ones.

Brian (warden of the brianp-beme penitentiary for wayward cards)

I assume we can all agree guns should be restricted, Warren Spahn was better than Sandy Koufax, masks should be worn, and Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame?

Pete gets in the Hall 363 days a year... any day they're open if he's bought an admission ticket for the day. Read The Fix Is In, then you'll be hard put to think he should be inducted.

I don't think the thread should be banished. Collector Folks here that have been to Atlantic City for the National, or in close continued proximity to those that did, would benefit from being aware of the situation. A week or so before the National, I flew from Nashville to Philadelphia, and back. Signs in the Nashville airport said masks were required in the airport. Maybe one in 15 people had a mask on. I wore an N-95. In Philly airport I saw no signs, and about the same ratio of masks on people. Last month I was in about a dozen different courtrooms. Masks were required in one of them, where case numbers were way up and the state had designated the county a 'red county'. It's been a while since the courts were first not open for in person attendance, allowing telephonic or virtual appearances only. After courts reopened they required masks for a while. I think folks should mask when bunched together, let others know if you test positive, and self quarantine if you've been exposed. I'm not saying to like that... just do it.

of the guys I hung around most, 3/6 wound up with COVID. Not great odds.

I've tested 3 times since returning home, all neg, and have now returned to the office today (Wednesday) to work.

I had COVID OG Last January, got two vaccinations, a booster and had COVID Omicron this January. Hoping that lingering antibodies saved me from round #3 in Atlantic City.

Most all I know have just mild cold-like symptoms. I do have a friend that got heavier flu-like symptoms with high 103+ fever but he's getting better.

It's the new normal.

I told my friends this was going to be a super spreader event. Only like 10% of people had masks. I just got over COVID two weeks prior so I was ok.

Anyone who was there and even those that weren't should take Vitamin D and Vitamin C+ Zinc daily or insure you eat enough of the proper foods that contain these vitamins. Get fresh air and exercise if you are able.

Despite the mass vaccination effort, covid, although much milder now (cold/mild flu like symptoms) is running rampant again and has been, despite not a lot of media coverage about it for sometime now.
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Wait, Joe Jackson was banished because he had Covid? I gotta read more...

Oy vey...Who cares? It's not 2020 any more. The symptoms have become so mild. Why is it even still a story? People brag about getting covid like they brag about being at Woodstock.

Oh good. Another Covid thread. On a supposedly prewar baseball card forum.

Clicks are clicks, I guess.

And the 400+ people dying each day appreciate that at least it is a mild death.

I got sick
 

I'm the collector who was being pushed in a wheelchair looking for Highlanders. When I got home I started to get sick and tested positive for covid.Because of my other medical problem I have to go to the hospital for a treatment. Sill very happy what I got !

20 people in the state of NJ yesterday would beg to differ.

and ignorance is bliss
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Monster card Ryan.

I'm sure they were all very healthy going in too.

So a disease that kills people with pre existing health issues is not a story? Got it.

Does it (covid) get it's own booth next year in Chicago? Or is it on standby? Will it be in the corporate area, dealer area, or autograph area? Will I need to get a parking pass?


Also, which Woodstock? Original or failed reboot?

According to the CDC estimates, an average of 36,000 Americans died because of the flu for the ten years through the 2020 flu season. If an average of 400 people a day were to die during the year, that comes out to 146,000. Thankfully much better than 400,000+ a year as in the first 24 months of Covid, but I would think still a real concern.

I would much rather have this be my untimely end.

Brian

Every doctor I've spoken with says the benefit is with SICK people wearing them. Healthy people wearing them provides little benefit.

Not at all...But any disease can kill a person with pre-existing conditions. Not just Covid. They're the ones who should take the precautions. Mandating that everyone else where masks as well is pointless.

Honestly, at face value, that just doesn't make sense to me. If it works on one persons face then it should on another? I am not even debating whether they do or don't help.
My personal belief is that they do help a little but I am still not wearing one, for now.,

That said, in this day and age with everyone knowing full well the risks, I prefer to let everyone decide for themselves. I am vaxed and boosted...but really need to get an update and will before next years show.
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I prefer afternoon debating, personally.

I will leave the humor for later....yes, afternoon everything is good !
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Confirmed..
I brought it home w me :( I should get my 30 entry refunded ;)

Other 3 with me = all ok

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You are most contagious with Covid before you even know you have it along with the first few days after you become sick. And if you’re asymptomatic, you are still contagious. So I’m not sure how this makes any sense. But to each their own.

:cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipUn5goyM2I

And this is why everyone should wear them. You don't know if you're sick or not, so why spread to others when you can help prevent the spread. Yes, everyone knows the risks, but it's not like wearing a mask is all that hard of an ask. I didn't go to the National and I still got Covid. I really should have worn a mask before I opened this thread knowing many of you attended a super spreader event.

I don't favor mandates, but neither do I really understand the casual, nothing to see here, fuck it, fuck you attitude so many seem to have these days.

Early Covid days, pre vaccine I think a mandate made sense. Now that we know a million times more, not so much. That's why even with cases increasing in Los Angeles they opted not to institute another mandate.

Pretty simple in my mind now, if you have weakened immune system you should wear a good KN95 mask around lots of people. The risks for a bad outcome (hospitalization or death) with the latest variants are even lower now than before, so if you're vaxxed and boosted no mask needed.

I find that buying N28 & N29's offer more protection for a healthier life.

I'll trade you a box of KN95's for a N28... :-)

Do you consider long COVID a bad outcome? A lot of that out there even from milder cases.

I know a few people with complications from long covid and it's been pretty bad.
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Post-viral syndromes are of course nothing new, but it certainly seems to be a significant issue for some with this virus. Then again, attending a card show with a mask is probably MUCH worse.

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This conversation shows you how addicted collectors are to the cards. People would risk Catching a deadly virus by attending the National non-vaccinated and non-masked even with thousands of people in the room amidst close proximity just for the chance to find a few cards they have been looking for. Everyone should stay safe and take precautions, do it for your family and fellow collectors.

Monkeypox
 

Did anyone get Monkeypox??

Benefit for the sick. Healthy people wearing them helps protect the vulnerable.

If only the cards had been vaccinated and socially distanced, but the state of New Jersey might not have been a large enough venue if this was the case.

The way things are going, that will be next year's big acquisition.

I was at the VP event Wed and waiting in line to get in a very angry looking guy walks up to me and says " what is wrong with these people? You me and 3 other people in this room have masks on...He was right I counted 5 in the room. I have tested negative so far as well as my son and grandson who went with me Friday.
I volunteered for a time at the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville. I was tought how to mask correctly as well as how to wash my hands. It was mildly uncomfortable but I have my other 15 month old grandson living with me so I am glad I masked up. Hope all that cought it feel better soon.
Jonathan

My body, my choice! No, wait, that can't be right...

But seriously, when did the concepts of 'freedom' and 'selfishness' intersect? There's a contagion around so I mask up as a courtesy to others who might be vulnerable to complications. Cancer patients, the elderly, kids with immunity issues. It is a minor inconvenience that might help others in my community, so what's the harm? Simple as that. Do unto others and what not.

As for the show, I've now heard of at least two attendees getting the hell beaten out of them on the mean streets of AC. Never heard of that in any other show stop.

Myself and the two other people I was with, continue to test negative. All various ages, and health status' as well. At this point, covid cases are bound to happen. Not denying the seriousness of the illness, but we have ways of treating it now. It will become endemic, eventually. I feel like it's been too many posts since a card was posted, so if I may:

https://i.imgur.com/fPZ9bdC.png

Agreed. I went and wore an N95, was shocked that almost no one did. It felt ok when not crowded, but as the crowds poured in, it was not safe from getting covid. But luckily and hopefully people aren’t usually getting very sick from it. If people were getting very sick, i think everyone would be more careful. Being vaccinated does not have much of anything to do with getting it or not.

Hope everyone is ok!

Dr. Birx Says She Knew of Natural COVID-19 Reinfections as Early as December 2020
During questioning from Ohio Republican Representative Jim Jordan, former White House COVID-19 Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx says she knew in December 2020 and January 2021 that people who were naturally infected with COVID-19 were experiencing reinfection based on data coming out of South Africa. She says that officials were likely hoping that infection or transmission would not reoccur once the vaccines came along. "I think it was hope that the vaccine would work in that way," she says.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c50210...-december-2020
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Ok, since this thread wont die: Me, personally, I am done wearing a mask. I am vaxed and boosted and I (and my wife and kids) have probably taken our last shots. If rules again require masking, I will follow the rules (and then I will vote against those who put them in place). 2+ years later, having had (and survived) Covid twice, having seen everyone in my immediate and extended family (including my real banged up mom) get and survive Covid, and seeing that mass deaths are no longer happening, I am over Covid and ready to live my life. Also, I do not believe in a race to the bottom and do not feel that 98+% of the population should live/act/do for the 2% minority, who is very capable of taking their own precautions and doing (or not doing) what makes them feel safe/comfortable.

I did not go to the the National this year. It had nothing to do with Covid. Had I gone, I would not have worn a mask.

Forward!