CSG Card Grading Comp - 1st card on Ebay???
 

I believe this is the first CSG card I have ever seen on Ebay if anyone wants to follow it for comps. I wish it was vintage instead, but oh well.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Justin-Herb...sAAOSwwUdgPUZO

Folks need to keep their fingernails out of their pics.

I thought that as well....a shame that was the first......

dirty fingernails and only 3 feedback with an 80% rating. Not going to inspire a lot of confidence. We need good sellers to list some.

Jesus, the flips just keep getting bigger.

Grading
 

A 9.5 Gem Mint is only the 3rd highest grade on their scale. They also have a 10 Pristine and a 10 Perfect.

I wonder why they didn't use an 11 like the old SCD slabs? :o

Hahaha. Whatever.

Isn't that similar to BGS's Black Label?

I had no idea
 

I had never of CSG before today. I went to their web page and like what I see. I don't yet have an opinion on the holder size as I would have to see it in hand, but I like the info provided on the flip including the sub-grades.

I also read about another company today called HGA that uses a scanner and software to grade the card. They have a color coded flip which I think is attractive, and they also provide sub-grades. I never heard of them before today either.

Both companies have relatively quick turnarounds (for now), which is becoming more and more important to me.

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The first feedback for the seller says "scam artist". I hope someone is already making CSG slabs

And whaddya know, the card is Pop 1.

Actually that modern card doesn’t look too bad in that slab; a vintage would look terrible.

I didn’t know they were grading yet.

That made me laugh as well.

I just purchased a membership. Will be sending in a mix of modern and vintage cards. We shall see.....

CSG vs HGA
 

I like the look of both CSG and HGA. I think the newer stuff looks great in both but I like how HGA color coordinates their labels.

Yep, this is exactly the kind of card their holder was designed for. Not a lot of thought to vintage, but hopefully that can change if they are willing to adapt.

Wait, there's a card there? [emoji849]

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I like the look of the CSG, and the HGA is great too. I sent my order in last week. I think they will stay on their time frames. The HGA gaurentee's their
return times. My hope is that this will pressure the other companies to at least
be looking over their shoulders.

Here is a closer look with dirty fingernails removed for our viewing protection.

Brian

I think the flip will look even bigger with a t206 or smaller card. If they even grade them.

See here for that discussion and some mockups that I posted.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=288750&page=3

Wait, what is HGA? Who is running it? How the hell did I miss this?

There’s no doubt that flip is bigger than a t206. Half of that text could be smaller or omitted entirely. TBH, I never understood why so much info was necessary to begin with. To start, the player name and card # are on the friggin card....

That Green Mosaic actually looks pretty chic with the flip above. Fortunate to hit the ground running with a matching color combo like that.:D

Agree with everyone else, flip is simply stupidly large.

Thanks. After seeing the first post I couldn't get past what might be left behind on the holder for the new owner to enjoy. :D

Those HGA flips are great. Very modern and sharp.

The CSG flips are almost half the size of modern cards...pass.

And while the subgrades are cool, they aren't free. I want to say it cost $10 extra if you want subgrades on your card.

I buy a lot of non-sport CGC cards, they bring about $ .60 on the dollar of PSA values. It has allowed my 7 year old to fill some holes in his sets for a lot cheaper than PSA, and gives a little peace of mind the card is potentially not counterfeit. Their grading is no better or worse than anybody else PSA or Beckett, the only thing I have found is non sports cards in their holders are across the board cheaper. As I remember a lot of people made a lot of money in this hobby buying SGC cards in the past and re-submitting to PSA because they had the same issue with resale prices. Maybe it's not the worst thing in the world that it is going to cost $ 50- $ 100 to have a card graded by PSA going forward, it's going to eliminate re-subbing cards over and over again to get a higher grade.

Either way, I think CGC has a place in this hobby, they offer an encapsulation service, and with PSA's price increases their prices are probably in line with the product you are getting. I just don't see a lot of high dollar cards going into their holders until they can prove they add value to the card, and so for at least in non-sports cards they have not shown they do. My son is putting together a large sub to go to CGC of Pokemon cards, they are not cards he has a desire to sell, but are basically the key cards in sets, and he wants graded cards. When he has cards that he wants to sell we bite the bullet, pay the premium and send to PSA or Beckett, because they yield a better ROI on the grading costs. I would guess that The BB cards I submit to them will be the same way, not cards that will be sold, but key cards that I just want in a holder for my PC, much as SGC graded cards in my collection.

Steve,

Thanks - interesting insight and analysis. We shall see!

The bidding on this card is at $500 with 5 days left.
The resent sales for the same card with a PSA 10 grade were $400-$485.

So if you don’t want them, is all that space on the flip empty?

With SGC already in the market and an almost unlimited number of potential acronyms out there, they have to pick CSG? Seriously? It’s only a typo away!

I, for one, will not be buying any of these slabbed cards. Scary sh*t. Watch how easily this guy cracks open CGC slabs at about the 8:00 mark.

<a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/oxYsegNMUCI" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/oxYsegNMUCI</a>

I wonder this as well. Has the company made any statements explaining why the slab is so tall?

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Scary
 

You're absolutely right, that was way too easy. If the holders are the same for baseball cards scammers will have a field day, no doubt.

I did read in some of the comments from that You Tube of the guy cracking open the case and it said they they have addressed the issue about the cases.

Crazy!
 

That is unbelievable! How in the world can a new company not make sure this can't happen? That's one of the reasons why I like BGS.

I did the exact same thing with an SGC 7 Jerry Rice card. See images below. You can barely tell the slab was opened. I could have easily put a lower graded card in there and most people would never notice.

After watching that video I decided to see how hard it would be to open a GMA slab. I had never really looked at the slab before. It is lapped one side over the other. Similar to the old GAI slabs. Only way to get the card out is to break the slab. I liked that. Frank

That was not the "finished product" for CSG. There is a nearly identical video of Scott A. breaking open PSA cases by hand, with relative ease. Both CSG and PSA have subsequently made it far tougher to open the slabs without breaking them.

That is good to hear. Slabs have to at least be difficult to get into. :cool:

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CGC / CSG - same company?

Correct. Same parent company.

Csg
 

I plan on sending 20 cards to CSG by next week. I'll send one that I plan on trying to crack open and report how I did. I'm really hoping the CSG and HGA are the real deal. I love BGS and PSA but welcome some competition (we all should).

Dan - I would love to see the results of your crack test. I would love to hear how easy (or not) it is from someone I trust. No offense to others on this forum or for those who have heard from the owner or those who anonymously responded on YouTube. A true test from a rookie card collecting Net54 legend would be welcomed by all, well, at least by me!

Looks like this seller from Florida has a bunch of CSG graded cards up for auction now.

Looks like all super-modern stuff, so no idea how it would compare price-wise to the other TPG's.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2020-Panini...EAAOSwDVBgP88I

Dan, now that is clear that you have a personal issue with SGC, can you share what exactly that is? Do you believe HGA and CSG will have the same resale value of PSA?

Makes sense that it's a comic book store from Florida first to market. They're local and already have a relationship with CGC/CSG

Gotta say, their plastic slabs are very optically clear and nice looking.:)

what time do you have to go into work at CSG tomorrow?

:p

Don't work there, won't be sending them any of my cards, but I sure am partial to optically clear plastic.:D

I've bought all kinds of plastic polishes for my slabs because hazy ones really do detract from the experience of looking at the cardboard.
Haven't really fallen for any of them, and nervous to use the ones meant for car lens cleaning.
The slab is like a window to the soul for the neat freak, and a super clean one is just yummy.:cool:

I had seen these slabs before and thus made my comment before clicking your link. I have to admit the Herbert card doesn't look bad. The label itself is actually really clean... it just needs to be much, much smaller.

I think the overwhelming consensus from the other thread is that they did a bad job on these slabs

Comp vs. PSA
 

For those who want to follow along, I bought this exact card in PSA 9 on January 27 for 21.50. It's already at 32.00 with 16+ hours to go. I only have a couple soccer cards and the PSA 9 is my only graded soccer card. It's a near identical comp although of course there are a few differences, timing, seller, etc.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2020-Topps-...53.m1431.l2649

Edited to say it's not "literally" the same card but a recent "same" card.

I like this stuff - does a nice job on slabs

https://www.novuspolish.com/

Thanks for the recommedation!

Is this a wipe on, let it dry, wipe off product, or do you buff with padded wheel?

Kit comes with cleaning cloths....

Can be a 1 or 2 or 3 step process depending on the condition of the slab...

The centering there seems pretty iffy for a 9.5

$510. Is that good?

and then CSG says that this is "1st Card Graded" - Lebron Refractor Rookie

I think it's only natural that PWCC would own it (at the moment)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-Topps-...5/224370194054

Hmmm...it might be....I was just listing the first one I saw posted on Ebay. Makes you wonder about things. I want to see them succeed.

Noticed the Herbert also ended in serial number 00001.....Trying to figure out their serial numbering system.

"Don't try."--Charles Bukowski

"You don't try. That's very important: not to try, either for Cadillacs, creation or immortality. You wait, and if nothing happens, you wait some more."

Sgc
 

Hi Wid,

No, I don't have a personal issue with SGC. I stated in a recent post that SGC is the place to go for pre-war. I believe their prices are comparable and sometimes even better than PSA for pre-war cards.

Below are my observations and opinions about SGC.
1. Their slab is unacceptable. It is incredibly easy to open and if careful, I believe someone could open it without any scratches. This means that someone could easily insert a fake or lower graded card and resell it. See my attached picture of a card I recently broke out.
2. I would not even consider using them for post-war and absolutely not for modern. I am using PSA and Beckett for modern and will be trying CSG and HGA (didn't win the lottery last week).

No one knows how HGA and CSG will hold up vs. PSA. So far I see that they are doing quite well but only time will tell if that will continue.

Take care!

Thanks, I actually was not aware of this. I will definitely make sure to carefully examine the card when buying graded. And stick to reputable sellers.

Well, after sending in my very 1st PSA Card grading submission (8 cards Express) the day before they doubled their prices (my first card submission ever), I decided to give CSG a try.

Just sent out 19 cards ($15 level). Mostly oddball and odd-sized multi-sport foreign issue stuff from the 70's-90's.

Not a standard sized card in the bunch. Should be real annoying for them. :D

We'll see how it goes.

do you have to be a "member" of csg to submit cards to them? i see there's a free member option and other paid options - does the free membership allow for you to submit?

anyone used CSG yet? curious about how it went

Yeah, I believe you need to be at least the $25 member plan to submit. That's what I used. If you get the $149 plan, I believe you get a $150 credit...........which in hindsight, I should have used instead.

Saw this new to ebay today. Will be interested to see sale price but I think the holder looks terrible for this card personally.

J ustin C osta

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agreed, it looks weird. seems fine for the "ultra modern" cards though.

thanks...guy from CSG got back to me today to confirm what you said. basically you pay the $149 for membership and you get what amounts to 10 cards graded for that fee.

I have never seen a SGC slab that was busted open that could be put back together and not be extremely noticeable that it has been cracked open.

Yeah, the slab/flip is probably ok looking for cards circa 1970 and beyond.

I don't like it at all for that Mays, or for any card of that era. The color simply clashes and the flip is just too big. Can you even imagine a T206 getting lost inside of that monstrosity?

I really want to try them out, but unless they de-emphasize that flip (or offer up some more subtle options for T206, Caramel Cards and Goudey) I just don't think I can pull the trigger. Still, I wish them luck.

Here you go, incredibly easy. One little slip with a very small screwdriver and the case came apart. I showed it to two people in person and both could not tell where I opened it. If you really looked closely you can tell, but how many people examine every slab (I do)?

How the hell did that Mays grade a 2.5?

If the person knows nothing about SGC slabs you might be able to get one past them, just like the old PSA slabs.

Try putting a junk card in one and glue the slab back together and then look at how easy it is to see it has been cracked open. There is a big difference between just setting a cracked slab back together and actually putting a card in one and trying to reseal it in my personal experience. I do agree it is very hard to tell from a pic at a angle.

That Mays is over-graded big time. Wow!!!