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1880nonsports 07-27-2016 05:46 PM

Just when you think baseball cards are the center of the universe
 
none of the three contestants on Jeopardy tonight could identify the person depicted on a T206 Wagner. I was a bit surprised. I wonder if Mantle would have caused the same lack of response? At least it was a 2000. question....

Aquarian Sports Cards 07-27-2016 06:18 PM

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Joshchisox08 07-27-2016 06:22 PM

Not sure how that's possible unless you live under a rock.

bnorth 07-27-2016 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 1880nonsports (Post 1566148)
none of the three contestants on Jeopardy tonight could identify the person depicted on a T206 Wagner. I was a bit surprised. I wonder if Mantle would have caused the same lack of response? At least it was a 2000. question....

I really doubt a 52 Mantle would of had any better response. In reality card collecting is done by a very small percentage of people.

Stonepony 07-27-2016 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1566194)
I really doubt a 52 Mantle would of had any better response. In reality card collecting is done by a very small percentage of people.

I think the chances of Mantle being identified are far greater

vintagesportscollector 07-27-2016 07:55 PM

I don’t find that surprising at all. In fact I would have been shocked if more than 1 of the contestants knew it. You can walk down any street in any city in America and ask 100 people, and I will bet you that no more than 20 people will know, if that many.

4815162342 07-27-2016 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector (Post 1566199)
I don’t find that surprising at all. In fact I would have been shocked if more than 1 of the contestants knew it. You can walk down any street in any city in America and ask 1000 people, and I will bet you that no more than 2 people will know, if that many.


I fixed that for you.

Jeffrompa 07-27-2016 09:26 PM

Honus rolled over in his grave .

clydepepper 07-27-2016 09:32 PM

With apologies to Bill Gates and Warren Buffett...

We collectors are the REAL 1%

Cozumeleno 07-27-2016 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 4815162342 (Post 1566211)
I fixed that for you.

Agree -

I think a decent amount (maybe 10%-20%) of people are aware of that card in the sense that they know there's some rare baseball card they've seen in the news before. But few could probably pick it out of a lineup and practically none could tell you the name of the player.

Steve D 07-28-2016 12:13 AM

Heck, one of the questions on the show was something like "Barry Bonds broke this man's career home run record, and the first response was "Who is Babe Ruth?"

Then another question was about the record 56 game hitting streak, and they even showed a picture of Joe DiMaggio! The first response to this one (not from the same contestant as the first one) was also "Who is Babe Ruth?"

After those two, I'm not surprised at all that none of the three contestants knew of Honus Wagner.


Steve

nrm1977 07-28-2016 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1566194)
I really doubt a 52 Mantle would of had any better response. In reality card collecting is done by a very small percentage of people.

I concur. Card collecting really isn't a huge market nowadays. We may think it is... :)

mighty bombjack 07-28-2016 10:45 AM

What was the answer? Did they show the card? Certainly Trebek didn't say "The person depicted on the t206 Wagner."

MikeGarcia 07-28-2016 11:05 AM

Alex Trebeck
 
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Originally Posted by mighty bombjack (Post 1566350)
What was the answer? Did they show the card? Certainly Trebek didn't say "The person depicted on the t206 Wagner."



..he only does that on "Celebrity Jeopardy" on Saturday Night Live.....the answer would inevitably be ' Who is Turd Ferguson?' or "your mother, TREBECK!"

..

darwinbulldog 07-28-2016 02:18 PM

I'm guessing about 1 in a 1000 could identify the man in this picture: http://www.thebaseballpage.com/sites...er_johnson.gif

begsu1013 07-28-2016 02:40 PM

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pokerplyr80 07-28-2016 02:43 PM

For the last time the category is therapists Bob.

4815162342 07-28-2016 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by darwinbulldog (Post 1566423)
I'm guessing about 1 in a 1000 could identify the man in this picture: http://www.thebaseballpage.com/sites...er_johnson.gif


There are around 250 million people in the US that are 16 years of age or older. Do you really think there are 250,000 who know who Walter Johnson is?

bn2cardz 07-28-2016 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by darwinbulldog (Post 1566423)
I'm guessing about 1 in a 1000 could identify the man in this picture: http://www.thebaseballpage.com/sites...er_johnson.gif

I wouldn't be surprised if many purely modern collectors and followers of the game wouldn't even know who that is. I collect some modern and some of those guys seem surprised that the game existed prior to 1950.

brightair 07-28-2016 03:44 PM

reality check
 
Watched a show recently where a guy filmed himself asking young Americans on a beach questions like...

"Who won the Civil War?"
"Who fought in the American Revolution?"
"When did the War of 1812 happen?"

The answers were painful to hear.

Seriously, it breaks your heart...

Is anyone really surprised about a 100 year old baseball card? If so, enjoy that nice comfy bubble you live in.

I am frequently having to burst my own little bubbles as I run into examples of general ignorance and inabilities to think critically almost daily.

bnorth 07-28-2016 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by darwinbulldog (Post 1566423)
I'm guessing about 1 in a 1000 could identify the man in this picture: http://www.thebaseballpage.com/sites...er_johnson.gif

There is no way that many know who that is. I have been collecting for close to 30 years and had no idea who it was. Maybe 1 in 1000 card collectors know who it is.

joeadcock 07-28-2016 05:52 PM

I wonder if even the majority of major league players now in 2016 know who that is.

familytoad 07-28-2016 06:04 PM

Big Train
 
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In fairness, even the card company making T207 (and even the pitching pose In T206) wasn't too good at identifying Barney .

Leon 07-29-2016 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by joeadcock (Post 1566483)
I wonder if even the majority of major league players now in 2016 know who that is.

If it's any consolation I don't know who they are...

darwinbulldog 07-29-2016 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 4815162342 (Post 1566438)
There are around 250 million people in the US that are 16 years of age or older. Do you really think there are 250,000 who know who Walter Johnson is?

Absolutely. I'm guessing at least 100 million would recognize it as a picture of an old baseball player. You'd have a lot more people guessing Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, and DiMaggio than getting it right; but he's the single greatest pitcher in the history of the game after all, so 250,000 seems about right to me. I grew up in New Orleans. We've got about 400,000 people there. Surely there are at least a few hundred old-timers in the entire city who would take one look at that photo and say, "Well that's Walter Johnson of course. Why do you ask?" And that's not even a baseball city. You'd do much better in St. Louis or Boston. And of course there are hundreds of other cities, to say nothing of the suburbs and the countryside.

Among baseball card collectors, the 1 in 1000 number doesn't seem plausible. I think about 80% of pre-war collectors would know, maybe 20% of the Topps era collectors would know (or at least guess correctly), and then maybe 1% of the modern card collectors. In total, I'd guess 5-10% of all baseball card collectors, not 0.1%.

brian1961 07-29-2016 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1566560)
If it's any consolation I don't know who they are...

If it's any consolation, I knew instantly that was Walter Johnson, THE BIG TRAIN. The consolation is furthered by the fact I cannot identily one single 2016 MLB player by their picture in uniform today.

Go Barney!!!!!!!:)

--Brian Powell

darwinbulldog 07-29-2016 10:51 PM

This is Alex Rodriguez.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/wp-conte...a-20151008.jpg
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Originally Posted by brian1961 (Post 1566605)
If it's any consolation, I knew instantly that was Walter Johnson, THE BIG TRAIN. The consolation is furthered by the fact I cannot identily one single 2016 MLB player by their picture in uniform today.

Go Barney!!!!!!!:)

--Brian Powell


baseball tourist 07-29-2016 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by brian1961 (Post 1566605)
If it's any consolation, I knew instantly that was Walter Johnson, THE BIG TRAIN. The consolation is furthered by the fact I cannot identily one single 2016 MLB player by their picture in uniform today.

Go Barney!!!!!!!:)

--Brian Powell

You mean Darwin Barney, right? ;)

Go Jays!


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Bocabirdman 07-30-2016 04:13 AM

Behind the Right Centerfield wall at Camden Yards, the Orioles have Bronze statues of Brooks and Frank, Earl and Jim Palmer. Palmer does color for the Oriole broadcasts on MASN. He was out there doing a pre-game piece on Boog Powell's BBQ. A woman was taking pictures of the statues. When she got to Palmer's, Jim walked over, raised his leg to mimic the statue of him in his wind-up and........The lady asked him to please move out of her shot...She had no clue who he was.........

4815162342 07-30-2016 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by darwinbulldog (Post 1566585)
Absolutely. I'm guessing at least 100 million would recognize it as a picture of an old baseball player. You'd have a lot more people guessing Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, and DiMaggio than getting it right; but he's the single greatest pitcher in the history of the game after all, so 250,000 seems about right to me. I grew up in New Orleans. We've got about 400,000 people there. Surely there are at least a few hundred old-timers in the entire city who would take one look at that photo and say, "Well that's Walter Johnson of course. Why do you ask?" And that's not even a baseball city. You'd do much better in St. Louis or Boston. And of course there are hundreds of other cities, to say nothing of the suburbs and the countryside.



Among baseball card collectors, the 1 in 1000 number doesn't seem plausible. I think about 80% of pre-war collectors would know, maybe 20% of the Topps era collectors would know (or at least guess correctly), and then maybe 1% of the modern card collectors. In total, I'd guess 5-10% of all baseball card collectors, not 0.1%.


I wish all of this were true, I really do. I agree that 80% of pre-war collectors would know Walter Johnson. It might even be 90-95%. The rest is wishful thinking.

frankbmd 07-30-2016 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bocabirdman (Post 1566777)
Behind the Right Centerfield wall at Camden Yards, the Orioles have Bronze statues of Brooks and Frank, Earl and Jim Palmer. Palmer does color for the Oriole broadcasts on MASN. He was out there doing a pre-game piece on Boog Powell's BBQ. A woman was taking pictures of the statues. When she got to Palmer's, Jim walked over, raised his leg to mimic the statue of him in his wind-up and........The lady asked him to please move out of her shot...She had no clue who he was.........

She thought he was raising his leg for another reason.

brian1961 07-30-2016 11:12 AM

Glenn--- I forgot about A-Rod. Yeah, I would recognize him. Really, I haven't watched a MLB game in person since 1977 and on TV since about 2000. It's not about living under a rock; simply other interests have taken hold. ---Brian


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