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Posted By: <b>Howard W. Rosenberg</b><p>You shouldn't jump in on the thread, since Bunning, the HOF pitcher, is a political figure and the board is not for partisan exchanges. But still, an interview with him in today's New York Times<br><br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/us/06bunning.html?ref=us" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/us/06bunning.html?ref=us</a><br><br>has a meaty baseball quote from him. Referring to his current political difficulties in summoning support for a possible re-election bid, he reportedly said:<br><br>"When you've dealt with Ted Williams and Mickey Mantle and Yogi Berra and Stan Musial," he said, "the people I'm dealing with now are kind of down the scale."
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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Every 6 years when he is up for re-election, the media tell us he is "going down" !<br><br>And, Bunning ends up winning by 5% points or more. It's the same old "hogwash" from a media that does not<br>appreciate Jim's conservative politics.<br><br>I've met Jim up in Cooperstown and had a nice conversation with him, he is a fine gentleman with a handshake<br>that crushes your hand.<br><br>I can predict that this thread will only deterioate from this post on. <br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>While I do not agree with his politics, I really do like Bunning. Like Ted mentioned, his handshake was tough. The strongest and largest hands I ever shook happened to belong to Frank Thomas (the original)...my hand looked like a kid's wrapped in his and I have the feeling he could have crushed my hand easily. Big guy, big handshake!<br><br>Joshua<br><br>PS See it has not gone downhill yet!
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Well...I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is, but if it turns ugly it's getting locked.
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Posted By: <b>Mark Lutz</b><p>My earliest (and inirradicable) memory of Bunning is from 1968, when I was a young boy eagerly going out to Forbes Field to see the Pirates' new ace. Well, it turned out that in the Year of the Pitcher he was the only major league pitcher who had a terrible year. 4 and 14, if I recall.
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Posted By: <b>JohnnyH</b><p>He has a great 1958 Topps card
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Posted By: <b>Bill Stone</b><p>He is a senile idot --let's lock this thread and talk baseball cards.
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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>I agree with that assessment but I was at his perfect game and have my ticket stub, so I have semi-mixed feelings about him.<br>==<br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br>Unknown author <br>--<br>We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br>No retreat baby, no surrender.<br>The Boss
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Posted By: <b>Ken Wirt</b><p>Speaking of 1968:<br><br><img src="http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/triwak/225.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Is anyone aware of any postcards, team issues, or anything of him with the Dodgers?
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I have no opinion whatsoever about Mr. Bunning, but I distinctly remember his perfect game. I know I listened to it or watched it.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>A great pitcher, a terrific senator and an American hero.<br><br>One of the greats in his generation overall.
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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Why an American hero? Did he ever serve his country in wartime? If he did it is well hidden. Does being a Senator qualify as a hero?<br><br>Perhaps this qualifies him as a hero:<br><br>On December 18, 2008, the Lexington Herald Leader reported that Sen. Bunning's non-profit foundation, the Jim Bunning Foundation, has given less than 25 percent of its proceeds to charity. The charity has taken in $504,000 since 1996, according to Senate and tax records; during that period, Senator Bunning was paid $180,000 in salary by the foundation while working a reported one hour per week. Bunning Foundation board members include his wife Mary, and Cincinnati tire dealer Bob Sumerel.<br>Bunning's salary alone not counting payroll taxes, legal expenses and other administrative costs has consumed 36 percent of the money his foundation has collected, the largest share. Only 27 percent has gone to charitable work.<br>A legitimate charity's administrative costs should be between 20 to 30 percent of its expenses, with most of its money going to charitable work, said Claire Gaudiani, professor at the New York University Center for Philanthropy and Fundraising.<br>Referring to the numbers at the Jim Bunning Foundation, Gaudiani said: "These are the wrong percentages. This is backwards."<br><br><br>=<br><br><br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br><br><br><br>Unknown author <br><br><br><br>--<br><br><br><br>We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br><br><br><br>No retreat baby, no surrender.<br><br><br><br>The Boss
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Hey, Jim. Is there a Republican Senator who, in your opinion, is <i>not</i> an "American hero"?<br><br>(Other than those who voted <i>for</i> the stimulus package.)
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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>Kentuckian and Republican.....<br>But Bunning has lost it........<br><br>I would have a problem voting for him.
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Posted By: <b>John K</b><p> I will never have a bad word to say about Jim now that I've read the quote about Ted Williams. Of course, Ted thought all pitchers were stupid. Except, I think, Ed Lopat.
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Tom,<br><br>Bunning has lost it but I would still vote for him.
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>DOUBLE POST
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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Just as I suspected, the usual suspects emerged from their caves.<br><br>So, pardon me while I reprise my 1st post here.<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>Every 6 years when Bunning is up for re-election, the media tell us he is "going down" !<br><br>And, Bunning ends up winning by 5% points or more. It's the same old "horse-crap" from<br> a media that does not appreciate Jim Bunning's conservative politics.<br><br>I've met Jim in Cooperstown and had a nice conversation with him, he's a fine gentleman<br> with a handshake that crushes your hand.<br><br>I CAN PREDICT THAT THIS THREAD WILL DETERIOATE FROM THIS POST ON.........<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>And, sure enough it did....so, I add to it it....an over-the-hill CONSERVATIVE in Congress<br> is still more intelligent than a LI-b-E-ral in Congress.<br><br>Since Election day the DOW has dropped 35% ! !<br><br>To quote Bette Davis from one of her great movies....."Fasten your seat belts people, we <br>are in for a rough and tumble ride"......<br>these next 2 years.<br><br><br>T-Rex TED<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>David Goff</b><p>Being from Kentucky, I feel he is an embarrassment to the state. I can not believe he is running for re-election. McConnell pretty much tells him how to vote. I will not be voting for him. All the democrats have to do is bring a decent candidate (not Bruce Lunsford) and they can take the seat...<br><br>As for baseball, he was a good pitcher...<br>
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>"Since Election day the DOW has dropped 35% ! !"<br><br>Ted, that will only make it more fun when it gets back to 14,000 next February. You know, when such Dow stocks as Citigroup, Bank of America and GM bounce back. <br>
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Ted- the quote was from "All About Eve."<br><br>14,000 Dow...we won't live to see that again.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Obama's gonna be Prez for at least four more years. At this rate you're gonna hafta pay someone to take your stocks.<br><br>Better get out now, Ted.<br><br>You, too, Jeff.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, I don't invest in the stock market. And <i>I sold</i> my real estate three years ago. Happily for me that was a pretty damn smart bet on both counts.<br><br>I may jump back into the market, however, now that you've told us that the Dow will be back to 14,000 <i>in a year or two</i>.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>No. Barry's right.<br><br>We won't live to see 14,000 again.<br><br>Wanna bet?
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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>JEFF L<br><br>You asked me about my long conversation with Ted Williams (in the Cooperstown thread).<br>Did you get a chance to read it ?<br><br><br>DAVID A<br><br>I sold all my stock in my 401K last August....is that what you would call brilliant....or what ?<br><br>See, us conservatives are no "dummies".<br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Ted, I missed it, I'll read it right now.<br><br>And David, I'm still waiting for you to take me up on my bet of Dow 14,000 in the 1-2 years that you predicted (and Nasdaq 5000 -- it's only been 9 years and it's still down 75%). I offered 10 to 1 odds but now I'll give you 20 to 1. Oh hell, 30 to 1.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>So it won't be two. But it will probably be within five.<br><br>Or do you believe that "we won't live to see it"?
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Posted By: <b>sagard</b><p>Bunning seemed pretty cool when I met him as a kid in the '80s. I think he signed virtually every card in the show whether it portrayed him or not.<br><br>As for his politics I believe he is fiscally conservative right? <br><br>That would be the only reason I see for him to be despised by both Dems and Republicans.
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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Two Kentuckians responded to this thread, one a Republican who said he probably would not vote for him and the other calling him an embarrassment.<br>And a Kentucky newspaper (I doubt if it is L-I-B-E-R-AL, ah THAT dirty word) has exposed his fraudulent charity. <br>=<br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br><br>Unknown author <br><br>--<br><br>We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br><br>No retreat baby, no surrender.<br><br>The Boss
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>It will be at least five years David, maybe more. I think America is shellshocked and will not be jumping back into the stock market with the same vigor for a very long time. The landscape is changing.
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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>FACTS:<br><br><br><br>Obama and his congress has done more damage with the economy with stimulus than Bush or anyone did in the past 8 years. DOW is going sub 5500. Book it! 14000 will not be seen again until I am a senior citizen...(I am 35). Book that too! GM is going down as well as a couple of major banks. We will see deflation then hyperinflation making the dollar worthless......I am glad I own some land and know how to hunt, grow food, fish and build. Better buy your ammo now before Obama takes it away from the good people who only use it for hunting and protection. The free ride is over! Now who wants to sell me some vintage cards?<br><br><br><br>Jason
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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>ALL the newspapers in KY are HIGHLY liberal. Fortunately, they have about 10 total pages. I read the sports and do the sudoku and two crossword puzzles. That's about where it ends....<br><br>I said I wouldn't vote for him and I would hope that the Republicans would find a better candidate to challenge him in the primaries. I would be enthused about Sec of State Trey Greyson. We'll see. This will clearly be Bunning's most difficult race--because of his recent statements and because he's not raised much $$ so far. We'll see. Recent statements including WAY more than the Ruth Bader Ginsberg (sp?) statement. <br><br>He was a great pitcher though. Never got to see him pitch. I think, may be wrong, that he won 100 games in each the National and American Leagues and had 1000 strikeouts in each league as well. Not sure anyone else has done that before.<br><br>STILL an obliging signer from what I hear. About 6-8 years ago, I sent a couple of balls and 4-5 cards to his office in Fort Mitchell, KY near Cinci and he signed them within a couple weeks.<br><br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, your prediction is based on a gut feeling of America's economy and history of bouncing back from economic woes. It's not based on anything concrete or real, however. Unfortunately, the landscape is different now than it's been for a very long time. Japan's stock index is at a 26 year low. Wrap your head around that for a second. 26 years of nothing. And America has gone decades with the stock market flat. There is no reason to presume that we will bounce back anytime soon because there is simply no catalyst on the horizon for a very long time which would suggest our economy will start booming again (especially since we're not close to hitting rock bottom yet). Will the Dow hit 14,000 in our lifetimes again? Yes, I believe. Will the Nasdaq hit 5000? Unless you're the Dannen Yogurt Man I'm not certain you'll see that in your lifetime.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jason, while I disagree with much if not all of what Obama is doing with the economy now, he wouldn't have been given this blank check by the American public if not for the destruction of our economy over the past 8 years under W's watch. I don't blame it all on Bush because God knows the Democrats and Republicans did it together; however, the buck stops with the President. That's just how the public sees it, rightly or wrongly.<br>
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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>Jeff-<br><br>I would agree. Clinton admin's loosening of the banks I think really got the ball rolling. I think W just enhanced it tremendously past 8 years and the war didnt help. We just have seen 2 trillion got right down the tubes for nothing. There will be nothing to show for it. Hell, may as well pass another 5 trillion stimulus and just send every ss # a check for $200K. It will not be worth the paper anyway.<br><br>Jason
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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Your numbers are correct regarding Jim Bunning's AL & NL pitching records. No other<br>pitcher has been better doing both Major Leagues.<br><br>Question to you (or anyone here)......how many other pitchers, besides Jim Bunning,<br> have pitched No Hitters in both Leagues ?<br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Ted, Nolan Ryan for sure and I believe Hideo Nomo did it (Dodgers and Boston?).
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Posted By: <b>David Goff</b><p>Yeah the Courier Journal is highly liberal. The only problem I have with him when he voted against the bailout for the auto makers. Ford may be the number 2 employer in the state (I know it's number 2 in Louisville) and when you vote against the bill, you are voting against workers you represent. I thought if you are elected by the people you are for the people.<br><br>Again, I respect him as a ball player and a person, just not as a politician. There is a reason you are voted in the HOF. He was a great pitcher during his time.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Pedro Martinez did too, but the perfect game he pitched in the NL is not official because it was 0-0 after nine innings and he gave up a hit in the 10th (if I have my facts straight).
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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Another day Obama and that useless Congress talk and another TRILLION down the drain.<br>They are up to 3 TRILLION with their Socialist programs.<br><br>If I were President on Jan 21st....I would have taken that 3 TRILLION and divided amongst<br> the 100 MILLION working families in this country.<br><br>Can you imagine how $30,000 in each working families' hands would stimulate the economy ?<br><br>Then they would erect a statue to me, like the people of PTOLEMY V rule (circa 196 B.C.).<br>If you read the translation of the Rosetta Stone, you will find out that the people adored<br>their ruler, King PTOLEMY V, because he reduced their TAXES and built up their MILITARY<br> (which protected them from invaders).<br><br>My-My how things never change....John F Kennedy and Ronald Reagan and George W Bush<br> must of read about this King PTOLEMY V.<br><br>Just a bit of History for you guys....free of charge.<br><br>TED Z<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Randy Johnson.
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Wow. I didn't expect a Rosetta Stone reference.<br><br>"Then they would erect a statue to me, like the people of PTOLEMY V rule (circa 196 B.C.). <br>If you read the translation of the Rosetta Stone, you will find out that the people adored <br>their ruler, King PTOLEMY V, because he reduced their TAXES and built up their MILITARY <br>(which protected them from invaders)."<br><br>I'm no expert on ancient history, but my guess is that "the people" didn't write that stuff. I'm thinking he or his inner circle might have had a thing to do with it.<br><br>I'm just sayin'....<br><br>Jeff
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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Instead of......<br>"I'm just sayin'...."<br><br>Look it up, check it out....The Rosetta Stone and the steele that was erected to King PTOLEMY V<br> was created by the people under his rule to honor him.<br><br>Man do we have a bunch of skeptics on this forum.<br><br><br>TED Z<br><br>
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Ted,<br><br>Agreed--we need lower taxes not unabashed socialism--lower taxes on individuals and business.<br><br>I am embarrassed to be a citizen of this country with the radical left fully in charge.<br><br>Jim
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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>"Just a bit of History for you guys....free of charge." <br><br>Yeah, I'll be sure to contact you whenever I need an infusion of HISTORY. I suppose you're one of those Republicans who believes that FDR caused the Great Depression--<br><br>No hard feelings-- See you next week--<br>Tim
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Okay guys...I just got home from Paul Blart: Mall Cop...my son's 8th birthday was today and that's what he wanted to see...now I'm getting set to make a big Lego vehicle thingy so I don't have time to read this thread...please keep it sane!!!
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Wrong again, Ted.<br><br>The Rosetta Stone is a decree from Ptolemy V in which he grants a tax amnesty <i>to the temple priests of the day</i>, restoring the tax privileges they had traditionally enjoyed from more ancient times. Ptolemy V also gives instructions for the erection of various statues in his own honor.<br><br>So much for "the people."<br><br>You can look it up.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Stephen Mitchell</b><p>timn1 says: "Just a bit of History for you guys....free of charge." <br><br>Yeah, I'll be sure to contact you whenever I need an infusion of HISTORY. I suppose you're one of those Republicans who believes that FDR caused the Great Depression-- <br><br>No hard feelings-- See you next week-- <br>Tim <br><br>---<br><br>For the record, I am one of those who thinks FDR extended the Great Depression. Much like Obama inherited the situation from Bush (and will make it infinitely worse), FDR was handed the Depression baton from Herbert Hoover (and made it worse through unConstitutional governmental interference with the free market). There are a number of good books currently available on the subject. The Forgotten Man by Amity Schlaes, and New Deal or Raw Deal by Burton W. Folsom, Jr. are two which deal indepth with the subject. I recommend them both.<br><br>As for Senator Bunning, he must be doing something right if he's being attacked (or generally hated) by at least 2/3 of the politicians. He has taken some unpopular stands (especially the GM bailout) but I'll bet most of those who respect the Constitution are silently applauding him.<br><br>Steve Mitchell
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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>It's frustrating to see the disconnect people have with what is going on. The stock market is forward looking so it would seem that there is little faith in the presential administration/House/Senate's direction. Along with everything else, we should be talking about the underfunded defined benefit retirement plans all across America. If you believe you have a retirement plan, you may not - at least to the level you think. We have to act now because we quickly have to figure out who to blame. The present presential administration/House/Senate may not own the economy but they own the stock market downturn. Some Americans may have "hope" but the stock market apparently does not. When people figure out that their retirement plan has been creamed, who will they blame? I would bet they will blame their employer - not the present anti-business/big government policies.
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Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Yeah, Steve. That's about as historically accurate as Ted's fanciful interpretation of the Rosetta Stone.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Cat, the S & P is down more percentage-wise since Obama got elected this past November than it was in the prior <i>eight years</i> since W was elected. And there is no bottom in sight right now. I think by the end of the year when the market is further in the toilet, the retirements of Americans delayed or most likely destroyed, at last Bush will no longer be blamed. And then perhaps America can clearly see what it has wrought. Having the country run by radicals, whether it be the right or the left, is a bad thing.
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Posted By: <b>Stephen Mitchell</b><p>David Atkatz <br><br>(Login murderers_row) says:<br><br><br><br>Yeah, Steve. That's about as historically accurate as Ted's fanciful interpretation of the Rosetta Stone.<br><br><br><br>----------------<br><br><br><br>Win or lose, I think we will find that Senator Bunning's fiscally conservative (I really think he's also a social conservative, too, but I may be wrong) views are closer to curing our nation's economic ills than Obama/Pelosi/Reid's socialism program. And, at the rate things are developing, we may be learning this sooner rather than later. <br><br><br><br>Steve Mitchell<br><br> <br><br>
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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Glad to see the ultra right wing is embarrassed to be an American. (seems to be about 2% of this group are embarrassed to be Americans). Your rotund drug addicted leader is hoping for failure, between embarrassment and failure you should all be thrilled.<br><br>71% of us were embarrassed by George Bush.<br><br>And Steve - Bunning is certainly a fiscal conservative,, just like George Bush supposedly was.<br><br>==<br><br><br><br>Sarah Palin for the Republican nomination in 2012!<br><br>==<br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br><br>Unknown author <br><br>--<br><br>We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br><br>No retreat baby, no surrender.<br><br>The Boss
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Steve,<br><br>You are (of course) correct....and Bunning is a social and economic conservative.<br><br>Boy does the market hate Obamas plans with a passion.
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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Jeff:<br><br>I think we are giving him the benefit of the doubt by starting his report card on 1/21. Among other things, he was guiding/suggesting/directing Pelosi and Reid weeks before that date.<br><br>Bush, since he was at the end of his second term was a lame duck months before the election - as he should have been. I don't want an outgoing President to make sweeping changes as he exits. But being a "lame duck" also means Americans shouldn't blame him for what he didn't do at the end - but yet his "report card" extends to January 20th. Bush "tax rebates" didn't work. I personally was against autobailout I (and the sequels). We gave the automakers cash and we seem to be headed to the same result anyway - bankruptcy for GM and Chrysler. In the final analysis, I think we have went from bad to a lot worse. But at least he is going to take care of the ear-mark and lobbyist issues - oh yeah and the wasteful spending. So we got that going for us...which is nice.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>I saw Mr. Bunning pitch for the Phillies... but was not as fortunate as some of you who saw a perfect game.<br><br>I've met him several times. When I was a law student I got a few cards signed. A collector friend of mine told me that my 1957 card was too nice to be signed, I should get him to sign one that was a bit worn. But I only had one 1957 Bunning card.<br><br>I've heard him make half a dozen campaign speeches. My favorite one was one when he talked about pitching for the Tigers against the Yankees, whose third base coach was stealing signs and whistling when a breaking ball was about to be pitched. I think someone got a hit with that, Mantle homered, next batter got drilled in the back, and Yogi stepped to the plate. Catcher gives a sign, the coach whistles, and Yogi steps out of the box and slams his bat into the dirt, saying "dammit, he might be whistlin' but I'm not listenin'"<br><br>Mr. Bunning and I sat beside one another at a community cookout when we were both running for office. We talked about 20 minutes, our wives and us.<br><br>I do not agree with some of his political positions. (And he would not agree with some of mine.) I have great respect for the man, and don't care to participate in taking him to task here.<br><br>Please let us return to cards. Thanks.<br><br><img src="http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/greatwake/aaaBunningcards001.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br>
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>marshall barkman</b><p>In my opinion the problem with the country is people have forgotten how to build relationships based upon survival and not money. To many people i meet act like they have read multiple self help books or how to sell and persuade books. Their whole persona is a act and a con. People are killing themselves and their families because of losing a job or bad investment srategies. <br><br><br><br>When i visit homes and try to buy antiques,ballcards,artwork or appraise items for folks they immediatly want to talk about Obama. Why on earth do so many people want to lean on one person? What it actually is creating is not fair to Obama. He is like a rock band that has a monster smash first single and if it does not get followed up by another smash then the fans turn hostile. The idolization and celebrity status he is creating is not healthy because if the tide turns and people start to lose faith in him then the next four years will be a nightmare for this country. <br><br><br><br>A majority of people who voted for Obama do not even realize that he lived in the same neighborhood as Louis Farrakhan so what does that tell you? They truly do not even understand economics or politics and most folks i talk to say well i voted for Obama because we need a change. Are you kidding me? <br><br><br><br>I am only 40 years old and i own farm land, understand how to raise a garden, can trade silver or gold anytime i want for sides of beef or other foods that are raised properly if it comes to that. Do i feel sorry for older folks who should be wiser but do not have survival instincts or did not plan for this nosedive? The answer is no.<br><br>The FDIC just announced that it lost 15.4 billion in the last quarter so they are raising insurance policies on banks in regards to the 250,000 FDIC amount. I spoke to the president of a small bank and he said in his opinion the country is in very deep trouble because the banks have to pay such high premiums on insurance that the interest off of the loans will not be profitable and the banks will actually lose money so alot of banks will be closing the doors over the next two years.<br><br><br><br>This country was built on free enterprise and only the strong survive. For every winner there are countless losers. The unemployment rate is 8.1 percent which is bad but that means 92% is still busting their ass everyday to make ends meet. When FDR took over and looked at the banking situation he closed the doors and cleaned house and started over. What this country needs is the same approach. Get rid of all the individuals who made mistakes from the CEO's on down. I am sick and tired of hearing these Automobile,Banking,Stock Market Guru,Financial Analysists and any other type of leadership whine and complain about their mistakes and ask for bailout. Leaders do not beg or whine they lead period.<br><br>
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Jeff O</b><p>"The inscription on the Rosetta Stone is a decree passed by a council of priests, one of a series that affirm the royal cult of the 13-year-old Ptolemy V on the first anniversary of his coronation."<br><br>That's from the British Museum website. Hardly the endorsement of "the people".<br><br>Jeff
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Hey guys......<br><br><br>"The inscription on the Rosetta Stone is a decree passed by a council of priests"<br><br>This is true because the priests of Alexandria were the spokesmen for the populace. If you read the entire<br> context of the inscription on this tablet, you will find that everyone's taxes were reduced. Furthermore, it<br> attests to Ptolemy's build up of their military forces as having protected the peopls from invading foreigners.<br><br>I have read the Greek inscription and the English translation.<br><br><br>It's amazing to read your responses to this......you die-hard liberals have this "phobia" for anyone who cuts <br>taxes and improves the military. This is an age old "bugaboo" of yours.<br><br> Damn it, let the people keep more of their hard earned $$$$$$$$.<br><br>
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>LetsGoBucs</b><p>Don't want to enter the debate, just wanted to put out there that:<br><br>From its current position the DOW needs to increase 6%/year for 13 years to get back to its Oct 2007 high of 14,165.<br><br>If it increased 8% it would take 10 years.<br><br>If it increased 10% it would take 8 years.<br><br>Naturally if the market declines further those numbers become larger....and if by chance we had a doozy of a rally coming out of the bear market those numbers could become smaller.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p><br><br>The chances of the economy turning around before 2011 (more likely 2013<br>are about the same as someone pitching a perfect game against the METS<br>on any of the next three Father's days.<br><br>The economic stimulus package will not work. As we predicted, the market<br>will sink below 6000, and we will have 10% unemployment. We will soon face a full blown depression. <br>Our best guess is that it will last into the next Presidential election. And the welcoming of<br>an ultra conservative Republican President. <br><br>As for Jim Bunning, he was a great pitcher. Perhaps, he could show us how<br>his curve and fast balls, if thrown at the head of the NUTTY PROFESSOR, could<br>knock some sense into the Communist Party representative from Saratoga<br><br>Or to frame the conversation more appropriately, Jim Bunning's life time batting<br>average was about twice as high as the percentage of college students who rate the<br>Nutty professor as adequate.<br><br>
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Although I supported Obama I have to admit his stimulus package is probably not going to help us out of this mess. It's very scary to think what may happen to people who reach seventy years old and won't be able to retire and will have to continue working. And where will all the jobs come from?<br><br>I think we are still in the early stages of a very steep decline. It's sad and my wife and I will do our best to have decent lives. But it will be a struggle.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Frank L.</b><p>Have been on this forum only a few months, but had to add my opinion.<br><br>I believe part of the reason for bailouts now is not totally for the good of the country but in part for selfish reasons. If GM is not further bailed out(and others to continue), the unemployment numbers will continue to worsen. If these numbers continue to rise, then the incredible expectations that were campaigned on, will not occur, they will actually go in the wrong directions. To save the ability to govern, to be respected, to have face, this must be done. I dont believe it is the total reason, but it HAS TO BE PART OF IT. To have guts, you must STOP THE giving of OUR MONEY as the plan will fail miserably. We must go through massive pain to get back to what we once were. WE ARE PUTTING OFF THE INEVITABLE, which is not good. <br><br>Unfortunately(but I knew this would happen), a culture of "GIVE TO ME" has arisen in a large part of the population. It is a culture of expectation without giving back. In other words, a simply consumption culture. It makes no sense to think that giving out billions of dollars but not PRODUCE from this will help our economy. The message should be the opposite, dont expect much from our govt, instead do everything you can to help yourself, and your neighbor. "We will then help some". <br><br>Our society continues to decline morally(and therefore in every other manner) since the late 1960's. In large part, as we allow more and more that was not allowed before, as we remove God(EVEN IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN GOD), we decline. You must certainly recognize this. <br><br>Many say, "just give him a chance". At some point, if we continue to go into the abyss, THE CHANCE IS OVER. This must be stopped. I want a UNITED STATES, not a model from other countries such as Europe. <br><br>Frank L.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>"Although I supported Obama I have to admit his stimulus package is probably not going to help us out of his mess."<br><br>Encouraging that a liberal like Barry is turning negative on Obama. I do not know a person in the circles I travel in who does not detest his policies.<br><br>But this really should not have been a surprise that he is trying to turn the country hard left--he had the most liberal voting record in the senate during his brief stay there.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Dorskind, for an entire group of people, you really are just a one-trick pony.<br><br>Can't you guys think of <i>anything</i> else to say about me?<br><br>Perhaps you should add "intelligence" and "creativity" to "America's Toughest Want List."
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>I have dug into it a little deeper, and I have to admit, for once you're right, Ted.<br><br>The Stone (stela) is a resolution of the priests, who are essentially kissing Ptolemy's butt for his support of their temples.<br><br>The priests, of course, formed quite an elite and tiny part of Egyptian society.<br><br>The Stone has nothing at all to say about or from "the people."<br><br>(Full translation here:<br><br>http://home.netcom.com/~qkstart/rosetta.html )
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Ted/Barry, the saddest irony about Obama's promise to spread the wealth around by taking from the rich and giving to the poor is that the yearly few bucks that the average "hard working" American will reap from this program has been lost many times over in the market since Obama was elected. And some of that money is never, ever coming back.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Of course, if McCain had won, everything would be hunky-dory now.<br><br>Too bad for those poor, deluded American voters.<br>
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, not surprisingly your response is no answer at all. And your response does not obscure the fact that "hard working" Americans are getting destroyed right now. And 401(k)s filled with GE, Citigroup, GM, Bank of America, etc. are gone and they're not coming back ever. Things turned really bad with Bush but the world markets' reaction to Obama and the speed of the destruction of wealth and jobs since he took over has been nothing short of stunning. He did promise change so I suppose he delivered.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Come on liberals--tell us which is your favorite democratic earmark that our taxes are being increased to fund.<br><br>In total there are 8570 earmarks in the Obama bill totalling $7.7 billion.<br><br>Is it $1.5mm for Hawaiian canoe trips for the Polynesian Voyager Socuiety?<br><br>Is it $200,000 for tatoo removal?<br><br>My personal favorite is $1.7 million for research into "pig smells"--we simply must increase taxes to fund research to improve the smells of animals.<br><br>The most incredible thing of all is seeing the radical left controlled democrat party defend these...and Obama try to clain that he is against earmarks which actually caused the audience to laugh out loud.<br><br>We have our own Chavez in charge--the Obama/Chavez/Castro axis in the west.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>All Americans are hurting and the number of unemployed keeps rising. The bailouts are a travesty and I want to know why we continue to keep throwing bad money at the banks and auto industry when they must take full responsibility for the mess they got us into. It is incomprehensible to me how all these industries had free rein for so many years without any regulations at all. We allowed the mortgage lenders to run this country into the ground, and now I hear that Countrywide, one of the biggest culprits of all, is making a killing by buying back toxic assets for pennies on the dollar. Are you kidding me!?<br><br>I agree with Jeff and Frank and whomever else said we are in a major cultural and economic decline. We'll eventually bounce back a little but the world may never be the same for a very long time. Like I said, I will do my best to get through this.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>You can rant all you want to about Obama, but it's just jive, Jeff.<br><br>He's been President for two months, and we'd be <i>exactly</i> where we are now even if McCain, or Rush, or <i>you</i> were in charge. The idea that the market takes a long, future-oriented, nuanced view before reacting is also pure crap. It can't see beyond the metaphorical "nose on its face." It's mantra is "Oh my God, I might lose some money, so let's bail now." It has never taken the long view, and never will.<br><br>And Barry, why don't you talk to your parents about living through a real Depression, with more than two-and-a half times the unemployment we have now, and no safety net at all. My parents dealt with the Great Depression <i>and</i> WWII, and wound up having a better and more prosperous life than they ever could have dreamed as kids. So enough with "the world will never be the same" crap.<br><br>And for all the pissing and moaning and naysaying done by Republicans, the New Deal brought employment back to pre-crash levels within five years.<br><br>When you build things you put people to work. (And the things that were built--bridges, roads, schools, subways, housing projects, parks, dams, power grids... are still being used today.)
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Barry, I think the normal emotional response is to hate the bailouts (I feel the same as you do). However, while they may feel bad the bailouts may be absolutely necessary to stabilize the world's credit and financial markets: in essence, the bailouts are for the greater good. Our untrained opinions, unfortunately, probably shouldn't matter on this one.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I also hate to see all the people who will lose jobs if say General Motors goes out of business. It's just a gut reaction that throwing money to irresponsible people is a really bad thing. What if we continue to give GM tens of billions of dollars and they go under anyway? Then all that money is lost for basically nothing.<br><br>It's darned if you, darned if you don't.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>This is my stub from Shea when Bunning made baseball history.<br>The Perfect Game was the first game of a doubleheader (remember the good old days, when doubleheaders were actually on the schedule?).<br>Rick Wise started Gm. 2 for the Philllies and if memory serves me correctly, he pitched a no-hitter for 2 1/3 innings.<br><br><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1236436954.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <br>==<br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br>Unknown author <br>--<br>We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br>No retreat baby, no surrender.<br>The Boss
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>David, you know nothing about how the financial markets work. Nothing. Your prediction that the Dow would be back to 14,000 in a year or two and that one has not actually lost anything until a stock sale is again ludicrous. (Try putting up a stock account as collateral for a loan and explaining to the bank that the account is really worth 2x than what the latest statement reads because no sales have been effectuated yet) <br><br>I'm not saying that McCain could have done better, though surely no one could have done worse than Obama right now. I'm just saying that the world markets have reacted so violently since exactly when Obama was elected can only mean one thing. And if perhaps his stimulus package was really a stimulus package than maybe the markets would be faring better, because there would be more confidence in what Obama is doing. It's great that everyone loves Obama. Let's see how much they love him by the end of the year.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Right, Jeff. And you do.<br><br>(Actually, <i>nobody</i> really knows how financial markets work, not economists, investors, money managers, or anyone else. The system is just way to complex to be really predictable.) <br><br>Let's see where we are two years into the Obama administration, rather than two months.
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(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians)
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Richard- your stub is from the Met's 23-inning game, I believe. Bunning threw his perfect game on June 21, 1964. That was a sad day in American history as those three young civil rights workers who went to the South to organize voters (names escape me) were murdered that very same day.
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