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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>While my resubmission of nearly 450 or so cards had less than 10% upgrades<br />(all cards passed the strict standards of PSA again upon close examination), it neverthess had good news. Ten of the 40 upgrades crossed to 9s(all pre-war) and 4 of my 33 Goudey Sport Kings Set bumped to 8.5. Particularly noteworthy was that two of my cards obtained from collector extraordinaire and HOF member Don Louchios in THE trade bumped to 8.5--Ty Cobb and Bobby Jones--creating thousands of dollars in value in one fell swoop.<br /><br />Its a happy night.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jerry</b><p>My SGC40 E90-1 Common was better than I thought it was going to be.

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p><i>all cards passed the strict standards of PSA again</i><br /><br />A funny night, too, Jim. Thanks for the chuckle.<br /><br />And congrats!

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>We are all so happy for you we can hardly contain the excitement.<br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>Anthony N.</b><p>How did you do on the Tango Eggs Jennings?

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Hi Anthony,<br /><br />I think that one stayed at an 8.<br /><br />Annabelle just sent me the certs that crossed and I did not check that one. Just checked my 9s and my 33 Goudey Sport Kings Set.

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Posted By: <b>Kenny Cole</b><p>That was pretty funny, although I suspect the humor was entirely inadvertent. Did any of the cards have printing at the bottom, or, perhaps the better question is, were they supposed to? I hear PSA sometimes doesn't do quite as well with them. In any event, congrats on having passed PSA's "strict standards upon close examination." I'm sure you must be proud.<br /><br />Kenny Cole

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br />I'm so happy Jim I could slap an elderly woman around and steal her purse. Congrats buddy. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Kenny,<br /><br />Absolutely.<br /><br />Under close examination all of my cards were deemed legit--looks like all the care I put into buying them has paid off--and of course having Cobb and Bobby Jones bumped to an 8.5 is out of this world. Not enough to overtake Ireland but it may allow me to pass all-world collector Don Spence and move into 4th place--perhaps the first time I have ever passed him in a set!

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I'm curious if Jim's experience on the bumps is above the average of the typical PSA customer who submits blindly. I'll bet just about anything that his average is higher.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Jeff,<br /><br />Reflecting the care I put into when purchasing the cards and my keen eye I presume <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br />or perhaps reflecting the fact you carry their payroll the weeks you submit.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>At least until Spence sends his collection to PSA to once again go under that close examination and strict standard for a second time at a reduced rate.<br /><br />PSA: Fleecing the competitive nature of the PSA registry folks since 1993<br />

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>jim- obviously starting such a self-stroking post is gonna get tons of negative responses...so be prepared.<br /><br />onto the subject at hand...<br /><br />"Under close examination all of my cards were deemed legit"<br /><br />someone correct me if i'm wrong, but during a bump review, PSA will ONLY either keep the card the same or bump it. there is no chance for it to be deemed not legit or get lowered during this review.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>At less than 10 percent it does not sound to me like Jim got any special treatment.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>To my Georgia neighbor,<br /><br />Carry their payroll?!<br /><br />Joe has sworn me to secrecy but I am sure you would be surprised at what my submission price is. I couldn't fund the Alpharetta Chess Club.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Mike, that's correct.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br />Your correct Michael. Jim is just being Jim.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Peter, a) you don't know what the bump average is on prewar cards; and b) it is clear that Jim did get special treatment on his submission costs.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Jim is the only person I know who equals more population than the Group......

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Mike,<br /><br />Self-stroking???? I thought board members would be interested in how I do in resubmitting my collection. I'm sure you will be interested in my 150 T206 PSA 8s.

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>How do you know what I know? In fact, the unstated premise of my post was that I have spoken to several guys who submitted a fair number of cards for reviews and Jim's results are consistent with theirs.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Peter, are these regular people submitting blindly? Or PSA HOF members (sorry, just typing that makes me laugh out loud) with special submission deals with PSA?

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Just tryin to make y'alls board more interesting Leon with some real prewar card chatter--now get back to work on your next catalogue so I can be a happy customer of B&L auctions

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Jeff,<br /><br />We HOF members equate the PSA HOF with Cooperstown so show some respect!!!

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Posted By: <b>Kenny Cole</b><p>LOL, I think "blindly" is the key word in your post. After having seen the good work done by PSA in the Kelly post, its difficult for me to get too excited about PSA's "close examination." I wonder if the blind grader still works for them, and, if so, what sort of ADA accomodation was made for him/her.<br /><br />edited to delete an excess word

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>Two dealers and one collector. All seemed to be at about the ten percent level. If that is in fact what is happening on a broader scale, I suppose there are two possiblities. One, they are applying their standards consistently and only about 10 percent of 8s meet the more exacting requirements for 8.5. Two, they have a predetermined percentage they want to bump and it is somewhat arbitrary.

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>Mazel Tov Jim !!! <br />I'll see you at the National.<br /><img src="http://vbbc.forumotion.com/users/17/23/61/smiles/136179.gif">

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Of course Peter Spaeth is correct here(naturally). His percentages are right on the money. To suggest I get preferential treatment on grades is ludicrous. <br /><br />Kenny Cole--are you saying that Reza does not know what he is doing--the guy has a great rep in the hobby among serious collectors and dealers.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Peter, fair observation. It's hard to imagine that PSA graders are awake enough that of all cards submitted for a bump just 10% make the grade via fair reviews. Much more likely that Orlando -- he of the $9 stock price, half of what it was three years ago -- has determined that 10% is the number, period.

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Jim:<br /><br />Nice bumps. The Cobb must be stellar. Show us a scan!<br /><br />Are the T206s going in?<br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Jim, I bet you would be surprised how little everyone here cares about your submission results. How many times do you have to tell us that you are getting a "special rate" on submissions, does it make you feel special? Honestly, do you see any other threads on this forum similar to this one? You aren't the only collector sending cards in for submission. <br /><br />I am genuinely happy for you that you got some more "equity" in your collection. You have a great collection, nobody denies that, but when come here talking about "numbers" on a slab, how does that edify and uplift this forum?<br /><br />Just my 2-cents<br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>Kenny Cole</b><p>I'm saying look at the Kelly post, which is pretty distressing. Then tell me why and how excited I should be about PSA's grading abilities.

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Jim, <br /><br />Looks like your new non-altered collection is coming along nicely. You really do have a desercning eye. Congrats to Net54's resident uber-collector! <br /><br />I'm sure I speak on behalf of the rest of us armpit collectors when I express how proud I am to have the honor of posting in the same thread as you. <br /><br />Thanks for sharing with us!<br /><br />-Ryan<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Thanks Alan--whatever that means--hope to make it to the National. <br /><br />I know everyone is on pins and needles over who will be inducted into the Hall this coming year, the famous PSA luncheon and of course JPs and Mastro's parties. Now if they only had some cards I needed at the National.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jim, you work in NYC -- do you really not know what the term "Mazel Tov" means?

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Jim- i'm easing-off of PSA 8 T206's, market for them is too volatile...getting into other areas of collecting.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Ryan,<br /><br />You're welcome--appreciate it.<br /><br />Rhett,<br /><br />Really--I doubt it--I just set a net 54 record in how quickly one could go from zero to 35 posts at a time when most posters are in bed. If you are not interested fine--

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Not only that - you've distracted everyone from another post showing how Microsoft is giving away hundreds of dollars for free. That's more impressive then the post count.

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Jim, I am simply responding to when you stated "I thought board members would be interested in how I do in resubmitting my collection"<br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Mike,<br /><br />You are right about the volatility. Just when I started to sell some the market dropped.<br /><br />Hey--your turn to buy me a drink in NYC.

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>Jim - It just means congratulations. You joke, but I'm actually rather curious to find out who the 2008 PSA HOF inductees are.<br /><br />Alan

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Jim- fair enough. i'm in Italy next week...maybe the following week.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>The real question that comes to my mind is how does Ryan remember the exact misspelling of "discerning" every time he posts it?

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Alan,<br /><br />Thanks for the explanation.<br /><br />I am very interested as well. Last year I sent Joe an e-mail saying that while Don Spence was a no-brainer for the Hall of Fame he really should not overlook Steve Soloway who has an incredibly extensive collection--just lower grade than current HOFers.For the first year ever, Joe accepted two into the Hall.<br /><br />I have not given it as much thought but three names that come to mind for induction into this year's Hall are Greg Ireland based on his extensive high-grade pre-war collection, MOSH(Museum of Sports History) based on a simply unbelievably extensive high grade football card collection and Mike Rakosi-- the king of high grade vintage basketball. I hope he takes two again.<br /><br />Anthony, Peter, Alan what do you think?

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Jeff,<br /><br />Someone else did it last week but I would appreciate it if people did not bring up my employer's name on the boards. Thanks <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jim, fair enough.

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>Jim not sure there are enough basketball sets (not counting the real modern stuff) that it would make sense to include Rakosi in the company of the other guys whose collections are so extensive; that said it is phenomenal what he has.

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>A small sample, but just for comparison's sake, I submitted about 15 of my E93s (cherry picked the ones I thought had the best shot) and about 15 other cards from throughout my collection. I got four total bumps - two E93s, two others - out of thirty cards submitted. I am by no means a big customer for PSA and it looks as though I got a higher percentage bumped (13.3%) than Crandall. I must say that I am still baffled that some of the others did not get bumps. These are a couple that I thought were sure things.<br />JimB<br /><br /><img src="http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8017/t205mattypsa8ec0.jpg"> <img src="http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8735/e93everspsa8dl0.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jim B, your sample isn't a fair comparison -- you picked the ones you thought were the best of your 8s. Jim C sent his in en masse. There should be no question that you would have a higher yield.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>JimB- that Matty is the best example i have ever laid eyes on...amazing card!<br />

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Jeff,<br />That is a good point, but just for the record, I sent in everything from 4's to 8's, though mostly 8s.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Thanks Michael.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Gorgeous T205!

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Peter,<br /><br />The 68 Topps Test Basketball set is legitimately rare and Rakosi has the best set in existence I think.<br /><br />Rakosi's 48 Bowman, 57 Topps and 61 Fleer sets are all-world and by far the best.<br /><br />Surprisingly there are a lot of vintage basketball sets in 1950s and they are all legitimately rare. See Jeff Mullen's website or see the Vintage Basketball board on Net 54 for some of these.<br /><br />Lastly Mike has been very helpful to myself and others in allowing us to finish PSA 8 sets.<br /><br />Still your point is a good one Peter--vintage basketball is a smaller world.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>My next submission will be my Ramly's, T205s, T206s, 1887 Allen & Ginters, 1887 Old Judges and 1933 and 1934 Goudeys.

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Dan, <br /><br />It's really been more of an inside joke between me, myself and I, but it's awesome that several of you think I'm so retarded (you are not the first to point out the correct spelling of "discern" to me): <br /><br /><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1211408488/last-1211487017/New+PSA+Set+Registry" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1211408488/last-1211487017/New+PSA+Set+Registry</a><br /><br />4 posts down for the original "desercning eye".<br /><br />-Ryan<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Ryan, even sadder is that I've actually laughed at that joke/spelling every time you write it -- I actually remembered the first time you noticed the misspelling.

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Posted By: <b>Anthony N.</b><p>While not to take away from anyones awards or achievements on any of the registries, I think PSA would do better to honor some of those that have gotten the hobby to the point where they can grade 12 million cards and have 35,000 sets registered, or whatever they're at.<br />With the National being in Chicago, who more deserving and more timely than Lionel Carter? To me it's a lot like putting Buck O'Neil in the Hall of Fame, but arguably even more deserved. A card collecting Hall of Fame without the Barkers, Quinns, Burdicks and Carters seems lacking.<br /><br />BTW, I believe it's Scott Ireland, not Greg.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Congrats Jim.<br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Mr. Ireland's first name is, indeed, Scott.<br /><br />I do think PSA's hall of fame is just that - PSA's hall of fame. It should be filled with big-time PSA collectors. As long as we keep it in perspective by acknowledging that there are plenty of others out there with equally dynamite collections who just so happen to not be PSA registry collectors, or even high-grade collectors, we're fine.<br /><br />As for this thread, I do think it's kind of cool when people share their submission results. While I recognize that not everyone here collects - or even cares about - graded cards, many of us do, and it's always nice to see other people's results.<br /><br />-Al<br /><br />Edited so as to be more verbose.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Ryan, for the record I knew you were misspelling it on purpose...I'm just simply amazed that you seem to remember how to misspell it exactly the same each time.

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>I had the pleasure of meeting last years PSA HOFer Stephen Soloway. When I congratulated him on being inducted, he said he was the "poorest" of the registry guys - that many others had higher graded cards, but he was very proud of his complete sets.<br /><br />I thought Mike Rakosi was already in the HOF, but if he isn't he definately should be. I am extremely impressed with his collection of basketball cards, especially his 1948 Bowman. And, I am very proud to be one of his collecting friends in the hobby and part of his fan club <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>.

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>"all cards passed the strict standards of PSA again upon close examination" <br /><br />This is not an accurate statement since PSA has deemed cards not meeting the standards for the half grade bump would be returned unchanged. Does not matter if they are over graded, graded accurately or never should have been graded. I am quite certain Jim's statement above was said to get a reaction from people. At least I hope Jim has not been drinking PSA's Kool-Aid.<br /><br />Jim I thought it was ok to reference your employer since you have done so many times. And as recently as March 18 2008 in <A HREF=" http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1204039961/last-1205834767/Jim+Crandell%27s+personal+thread">this thread.</A><br /><br />Greg<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Anthony,<br /><br />Of course you are right--I know a Greg Ireland(I have never met Scott) and got confused.<br /><br />Alan,<br /><br />I am also proud to be part of Mike's fan club. If you are in NYC he is also a stand-up comic at the Comic Strip. All vintage basketball cards go through Mike--I still would probably be working on my final 48 Bowmans and 57 Topps if it wasn't for him.<br />Steve should be proud--he has more complete graded baseball sets than anyone--probably even Don Spence.<br /><br />Greg,<br /><br />No sweat--I would prefer to keep my employers name off the boards. Thanks.<br /><br />Me say something just to get a reaction?? You know me better than most and you have never even met me.<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I just want to know if the PSA Hall of Fame is a good place to take the kids on a rainy Saturday afternoon?

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Posted By: <b>Kenneth A. Cohen</b><p>This is the first I've heard of a PSA Collectors Hall of Fame. Do they issue HOF postcards for each inductee? Is there an event where one can get them signed, and then slabbed by PSA/DNA?

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Posted By: <b>Jimcrandell</b><p>We are signing items at 10-12pm Thursday morning at the national outside the PSA booth.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jim- once you are a member of the Hall you can get a premium for your signature. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p>I'd be a collector<br /><br />Rich

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Posted By: <b>Jimcrandell</b><p>I was going to charge $10 an item but then I heard that Marshal was charging $25--of course we have to give half our signing fee back to PSA.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>NM<br />

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>For those of you who can't make the show but would like a signed picture I will do it at no cost as long as supplies last jdc122@aol.com

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br />Jim,<br /><br />Getting at you that bad to see this link floating down the board?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>Jim--Congratulations! The hobby is all about getting pleasure from what you are doing and you seem to have derived a lot of pleasure from this. Good for you.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />If thats your way of asking for an autographed picture, you have to provide your e-mail address or your street address and I will personally give you a copy.<br /><br />Actually this was suggested by a fellow board member(give out signed pictures HOF 2006) so I decided to post it.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Jay,<br /><br />Thanks! <br /><br />Always trying to give something back to the hobby(but not my 49 FB Leafs)<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Jim

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>Jim--I've already filled the holes, but that was funny.

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Posted By: <b>sagard</b><p>Jim-<br /><br />Did you screen your 8s before re-submission or did you just send off a set at a time?<br /><br />Does it seem like PSA is more likely to bump cards with killer corners or does centering seem to be a key?<br /><br />Congrats on the bumps and are you considering re-re-submitting and finding out if you garner another 10% bump rate?<br /><br />Good luck on your next batch.<br /><br />