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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>If youd like to catch up you can go back to the old thread.<br /><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1210270124/last-1210719617/T206+Young" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1210270124/last-1210719617/T206+Young</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1210270124/last-1210719617/T206+Young</a</a>><br /><br />I had a deal ruined after money was exchanged due to a board member for this raw card with a rare back that I bought for $300.. seller refunded and claimed he was getting the card graded and listing it up on ebay...<br />[IMG]<img src="http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/young.jpg">[/IMG]<br />[IMG]<img src="http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/youngback-1.jpg">[/IMG]<br /><br />The card came back a 3! which was better than I expected...I used the Buy it Now option when it was relisted on ebay for $420.. Just want to thank everyone who supported the fact that the card should have ended up with me.. in the end... the seller got an extra $120 and I got the card!!.... <br /><br />I believe the expression I was told was "In Hand"...<br />[IMG]<img src="http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/young1.jpg">[/IMG]<br />[IMG]<img src="http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/young-1.jpg">[/IMG]<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Nice. I would say that the seller listing it for only $420 BIN shows that nobody here interfered in the way you thought they did, otherwise his BIN would have been much higher.<br /><br />Just my opinion and great pickup...looks good in a Beckett slab.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Jamie - now that's some fast shipping! You bought it yesterday afternoon.

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Posted By: <b>CN</b><p> Nice card even though I think it would nicer in a SGC holder.

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Posted By: <b>T206 Young ... Justice!</b><p>yea I paid extra for overnight shipping..couldnt risk anything after what happened last time... Im wondering wonka will make a guest appearance on this thread

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Jaime,<br /><br />Dont be so quick to celebrate - according to Bulldog, our resident genius lawyer wanna be, this deal may yet be rescinded if the seller finally figures out that he was actually selling you a "rare upside down back t206 cy young card and not a common low grade t206 cy young card" as the BIN price reflects. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Jamie, you said that Sean offered him a lot more money for it than the $300 you offered, but instead he listed it for a $420 BIN. Why wouldn't the seller list it for "a lot more money" if he knew there was interest in it at "a lot more money"?<br /><br />I think maybe you should have just posted your card in the May pickup threads and left it at that...I understand you were mad, but you're inviting a lot more animosity here.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br />More animosity Dan? Would just be joining in with the crowd as of late wouldn't it?

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Posted By: <b>T206 Young ... Justice!</b><p>JK.. the name is jamie not justin.. but yea I remember the bulldog nonsense <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />I was wondering If i could use the same law tactics for the seller of the house I bought.. see I didnt know it had a leaky roof... and it turned out it did.. so I wasnt 100% aware of what I was buying which must entitle me to a 50% refund.. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>david Poses</b><p>...just when I thought it was safe to dip the ladle back in the proverbial punch bowl...

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>Hopefully the seller won't retain lapdog to fight his case. <br /><br />Also nice to see that the back is upside down, which is what I would expect for a misfed sheet error. <br /><br />FWIW, I think you could pull over $1,000 in a major auction for the card. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>someone put LSD in it and we are all going whacky......I need to start some good ole vintage card threads...that's the problem....AND I agree with Dan B.....this thread could start another flame war.....OH the fun....

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Stay classy, Justin.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>LOL

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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>Well I have to say something...<br /><br />Nice pick up Jamie, at a hell of a price. <img src="http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g193/hanksta3/ban.gif"><br /><br />Congrats on the T206 set.<br /><img src="http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g193/hanksta3/136179.gif"><br /><br /><i>sdbh</i><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Sean, I wonder why the seller didn't take your massively higher offer? He must be a communist.

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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>Thanks ..<br />but the set is not yet complete I am at 519.. hoping to get the last card tonight

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Sorry Jaime - its been corrected.

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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>the offer wasnt massively higher it was between 400 and 500.. while mine at the time was 300.. I ended up getting it for 420 which was in the same area as what sean offered... <br /><br />the seller was told however that it could be worth up to 800 and that was the massively higher part

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>So Sean offered the guy $420 or higher after telling him it was worth $800 -- and he declined and instead put it back on ebay for $420 as a BIN?

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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>he declined because he wanted to have it graded and sold through ebay... its my understanding that more than one person contacted him and that is where the 800 came from.. seans involvement was only that he offered a couple hundred more than i did... but selling the card through ebay was a must for the seller.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Yet he declined their offers and instead wanted to make less money on ebay?

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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>He is what we call a Communist Party Animal.<br /><br /><img src="http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g193/hanksta3/83.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Is it just me or is "massively higher" to describe $500 an odd term for someone who just put together a T206 set in a couple weeks time?

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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>Well Jeff,<br />We never said the dealer was a smart man. <br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>its just you... thats massively higher for me... I built mine on a budget.. im at 519 and only 11 of my cards were over $100....<br /><br />so an extra $500 for me is massively higher than both what I offered and what I could afford. This card is the 3rd highest priced card in my set.. behind only the demmitt and o'hara st louis

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Posted By: <b>Iggy</b><p>That is it! I'm giving up beer! Everytime I drink some beer during work hours a darn upside down Cy Young card appears in this forum.<br /><br />Lovely Day...

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Jamie -- glad you ended up with the card at a price close to what you originally paid. But I believe the front is upside down, not the back (insert smiley here).<br /><br />And also, congrats on getting to T206 519. I'm somewhere around 400 myself, although I've slowed down considerably, and got distracted by other cards/sets (Goudeys and T205s and Mayo Boxers and 1952 Bowmans and 1964 Kahns and ...).

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>Jamie, I am curious . . . in the T206 set you put together in just a few weeks (which is nothing short of amazing, so congrats), what were the 6 over $100? My guess would be the 4 cobbs, demmitt and ohara? What about Elberfeld? Can you post scans of those particular ones in your collection, they are among my favorites and I always enjoy seeing them (as do others)!

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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>Adam I needed to correct myself.. actually 11 of the cards i bought are over 100... the green cobb, elberfeld wash, demmit, ohara, both walter johnsons, all 3 cy youngs, tris speaker, and my dark cap mathewson.<br /><br />Im posting pics tommorrow of the entire 520. I am expecting to buy #520 tonight.. I have a deal in the works.<br /><br />eddited to say.. it was not just a few weeks... 5 months

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Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>Jamie, congrats on the nice card! <br /><br />side question - on building your t206 set, what was the biggest single lot you purchased? and if you don't mind sharing, what was the total price you spent on putting the set together?<br /><br />Rob<br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>biggest lot was 168 cards for 2400 that had 3 blank back Sl'ers and 1 red hindu.. I only needed 90 of those 168.. the rest were doubles that i sold off.<br /><br />total cost assuming the deal goes through for #520 will be $11,873.50<br />that was alot of bargin hunting nonstop for 5 months however.. and I feel it would be nearly impossible to duplicate if I tried again... some of the deals I got were once in a long while type things.

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>trying to stay out of this thread and follow the UEFA final but i just wanna say we need more communists in the hobby.

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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>Quan...you think the commies will win? <br /><br />1 - 1! My guess 3 - 2 Man U wins!

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I don't even know what the UEFA is, but I agree with Quan - we need more communist card dealers. And putting a T206 set together for under $12,000 is a heck of an accomplishment. I wouldn't have even thought that possible, I apologize and I take my earlier statement about the $500 back.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...But I think you ought to return the card and have the seller let it run in an auction so that the true value of the card is realized. As long as one side is unaware of the true value of the card, you don't have a binding sale and the authorities may come to reclaim your prized possession.<br /><br />However, I am satisfied now that ebay will get a fee -- though, granted, much less than ebay deserves since the card was sold undervalue. My advice would be to send them a check for the difference.<br /><br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> to see signed pre-war card galleries, articles, my blog, my collection and more!

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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>thanks Dan... I cant wait to get the last one and post up some picks of the magical journey <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>Dan,<br />UEFA = Soccer/Futbol/football <br /><br />The UEFA Champions league final in live in Moscow (game started at 10:45 PM their time). Manchester United vs. Chelsea (owned by Russian Roman Abramovich).<br /><br />https://www.bwin.com/livebets.aspx?eventID=1252590<br /><br />Click on audio button to listen. Second half just started.

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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>I was wondering if captian sarcasmo would join the thread... but hes off tourmenting someone else I guess

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...this time as this post subscribed to his "in your face, suckas!" request for these kinds of acquisitions.<br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> to see signed pre-war card galleries, articles, my blog, my collection and more!

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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>yea I thought that was a nice touch <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> considering all the abuse I got about how dumb I was for posting something before I actually had it.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>You guys are hilarious. You abuse John for being sarcastic...and then you do all that you can to mimic the same behavior while giving him a kick in the ass. Paul, maybe during your next deep poetry session or investigative report on the history of one of your cards you could bother to grab a dictionary and look up the word 'ironic.'

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Posted By: <b>george &quot;bulldog&quot; adams</b><p>absolutely jk. lapdog

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Jamie; <br /><br />No issues with the way you grabbed this card BIN is a no questions way of snagging a card congrats. <br /><br />“I was wondering if captian sarcasmo would join the thread... but he’s off tourmenting someone else I guess”<br /><br />Next time drop me a few more emails filled with profanities accusing me and someone else of killing your deal by offering the seller tons more than you, which seems now to be a real stretch. Then maybe I’ll know to chime in and bust your balls. <br /><br />Jeff, LOL very funny and true. This dictionary could be a dual purpose thing perhaps Paul can help Jamie learn to spell “Captain” and “Tormenting” while he looks up irony.<br /><br />After all I’m just a rookie Jeff, I may not know how to "Roll" like Jamie but at least I "Roll" with spell-check.<br /><br />P.S. Jamie YOUR'RE welcome for the advice on the card prior to your purchase, I believe it was Captain Sarcasmo who chimed in to help you…<br /><br />"Fixed for the lord of T206's down from the temple mount"<br />

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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p> Jamie, congrats on your card. I love print and color variations and it's nice to have them sprinkled through out your set. What is amazing to me is that you were lucky enough to be the first one to see it on Ebay with a buy-it-now. Did the seller give you a heads up?

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>A pet peeve of mine is when someone uses "your", which is possessive, instead of "you're" which is the contraction for "you are". A person who doesn't know the difference gets extra points from me when they criticize someone's spelling at the same time.<br /><br />Spel chek helpss a lott uv peepol, but where doo they turn too fer grammmer advice? Maybe next to my deep poetry webpage I can post a link to MSWord's grammar check page.<br /><br />(Yes, apparently this bitch-fest has been reduced to a spelling and grammar fight.)<br /><br />I'll leave you all with this haiku:<br /><br />Cry me a river<br />Of baseball cards that are old<br />That's what I collect<br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br /><a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a>

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Posted By: <b>dstudeba</b><p><i>P.S. Jamie you are welcome for the advice on the card prior to your purchase, I believe it was Captain Sarcasmo who chimed in to help you…<br /></i><br /><br />This is true. I always found it interesting that the first person willing to help was later vilified by the person he tried to help.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Paul good catch Barry hates that too. <br /><br />Maybe now you can blog on it? Or at least see if my spelling mistake translates to a story about YOUR Plank card....keep us posted!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>John- there are so many spelling and grammatical errors on the board that I have long given up pointing them out. It's a losing battle.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Barry; I know I broke you and Jeff's cardinal rule. I used your vs. you're looks like I owe you that dollar. LOL

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>"Your/you're" and "it's/its" are enough to drive me crazy. It will take at least $1.50 to restore my sanity.

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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>"Definitely" spelled "definately" sends me careening onto two week benders. That and the fact that my older sister thought the term "wind chill factor" was actually "windshield factor" until she was 32. And she has 4 kids. Nothing good can come of this.

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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>There spelling they're words wrong, over their, it seems.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>"your" instead of "you're"<br /><br />"effect" instead of "affect"<br /><br />"it's" instead of "its"<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>Jeff,<br />Your crazy, its just cause and affect.<br /><br />There never going to understand.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>sean you just summed up this board perfectly in 2 short sentences...sick!

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Shawn stop rolling like this already you’re always having an adverse “affect” on collector’s deals tossing these huge cash offers to them. LOL

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>When does the statue of limitations on this post expire?

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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>Jon,<br />I guess the offer was two bigger so he say "know way to you sun."<br /><br />Learn and live I guess, thats how I roll.<br /><br />Subway has subs for $5! <img src="http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g193/hanksta3/949983.gif">

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Interesting, congrats on getting the card.<br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jeff- at least with "affect" and "effect" there is some gray area. But I'm with Anthony on "definately". I've seen that misspelling about four hundred times on the board.<br /><br />Most of the errors are a result of posters not proofreading their work. An extra minute or two would go a long way.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Statutes of limitations, which date back to early Roman Law, are a fundamental part of European and U.S. law. These statutes, which apply to both civil and criminal actions, are designed to prevent fraudulent and stale claims from arising after all evidence has been lost or after the facts have become obscure through the passage of time or the defective memory, death, or disappearance of witnesses.<br /><br />The statute of limitations is a defense that is ordinarily asserted by the defendant to defeat an action brought against him after the appropriate time has elapsed. Therefore, the defendant must plead the defense before the court upon answering the plaintiff's complaint. If the defendant does not do so, he is regarded as having waived the defense and will not be permitted to use it in any subsequent proceedings.<br /><br />Statutes of limitations are enacted by the legislature, which may either extend or reduce the time limits, subject to certain restrictions. A court cannot extend the time period unless the statute provides such authority. With respect to civil lawsuits, a statute must afford a reasonable period in which an action can be brought. A statute of limitations is unconstitutional if it immediately curtails an existing remedy or provides so little time that it deprives an individual of a reasonable opportunity to start a lawsuit. Depending upon the state statute, the parties themselves may either shorten or extend the prescribed time period by agreement, such as a provision in a contract.<br /><br />*****So in this venue I get to act like the legislature and I believe we have a few days to go.....though I often will bow to my constituency.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Do white guys that say "how I roll" also wear their pants down by their ass?

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Posted By: <b>Darren</b><p>After reading the first 20 or so posts of this thread I got sick to my stomach. Really nothing more than the gist of the whole thing....not cool.

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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>Because it's hard to see out the zipper if you put them over your head.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Got it. That's how I roll.

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Wow Leon - impressive use of your legal research skills. Have you been going to law school behind our (or, in keeping with the spirit of this thread, should I say "hour") backs? I mean, without any legal training that Im aware of, you probably understand the "statue" of limitations better than lapdog.<br /><br />Please dont lock this thread - not that I care, its the "principal" of the matter.<br /><br />Whoever said their sister thought "wind chill factor" was "windshield factor" reminded me of an old girlfriend who thought the words to "I shot the sheriff" were "I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the death to he" rather than "but I did not shoot the deputy". Funny stuff.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jimi Hendrix's "Excuse me while I kiss the sky" sounds an awful lot like "excuse me while I kiss this guy."

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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>To be fair, Barry, he was in a purple haze at the time he sang it.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Don't knock it till you try it...

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Leon, you're amazing.<br /><br />Sorta related; <br /><br /><a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hPVtJURarNxEjcggyrH1ICGpmE6AD90OTDNG0" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hPVtJURarNxEjcggyrH1ICGpmE6AD90OTDNG0</a>

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>i love russian models.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p><a href="http://www.roflwigger.com/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.roflwigger.com/</a><br /><br />Just for Jeff....

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Don't knock it until you try what???<br /><br />Kissing a guy? or getting into a "Purple haze"?<br /><br /><img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Leon, thanks for the explanation. My post was more along these lines:<br /><br /><i><b>Kramer: </b> Anyway, it's been two years. I mean isn't there like statue of limitations on that? <br /><br /><b>Jerry:</b> Statute. <br /><br /><b>Kramer:</b> What? <br /><br /><b>Jerry:</b> Statute of limitations. It's not a statue. <br /><br /><b>Kramer:</b> No, statue. <br /><br /><b>Jerry:</b> Fine, it's a sculpture of limitations. <br /><br /><b>Kramer:</b> Just wait a minute...Elaine, Elaine! Now you're smart, is it statue or statute of limitations? <br /><br /><b>Elaine:</b> Statute. <br /><br /><b>Kramer:</b> Oh, I really think you're wrong.</i> <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>"The statute of limitations is a defense that is ordinarily asserted by the defendant to defeat an action brought against him after the appropriate time has elapsed. Therefore, the defendant must plead the defense before the court upon answering the plaintiff's complaint. If the defendant does not do so, he is regarded as having waived the defense and will not be permitted to use it in any subsequent proceedings."<br /><br />You should plead it but if the facts supporting it are discovered and litigated, you can conform to proof at the end of the trial and assert any defense you proved up. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Take it up with Wikipedia Adam.

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Posted By: <b>Kenny Cole</b><p>I would object to a motion to conform the pleadings to the proof (on the plaintiff's side) if I was worried about a SOL issue that had arisen for the first time. Since its an affirmative defense, you would then have to explain why it wasn't pled earlier, etc., etc. I don't want to give the seminar about pleadings, waiver, whether it was necessarily litigated and whatnot, and I'm not saying I would win that argument, I'm just saying that it isn't necessarily a slam dunk if it isn't pled to begin with. Plus, I'm sure that the defendant has almost always committed fraud, which only starts the statute running when it is discovered. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />BTW, I always move to conform the pleadings to the proof. I have had at least three trials where I did that and the judge didn't know WTF I was talking about. Sigh.<br /><br />Kenny Cole

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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>seems like you have nothing better to do with your day than trying to insult people over the internet.. and reading threads and spell proofing them... my guess is you are both overweight and havent had any responses to your online dating account..taking out your frustrations through internet insults on baseball threads..<br />pathetic and sad..<br /><br />is that how you roll Jeff .. get a life <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jamie, John showed me your picture and email. I'm not sure that you should be critical of either: a) anyone's looks; b) anyone's intelligence; or c) anyone's achievements in life. <br /><br />