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Posted By: <b>jamie</b><p>Well thanks to a couple board members I lost my transaction with my cy young card.... obviously I am dumb for thinking I could trust baord members and posting details of it on a thread... but after speaking with the seller... I specifically want to thank <br /><br />Sean Besser Hank [hanksta_3@yahoo.com]<br /><br />The board member who contacted Ebay and threatened the seller into refunding my money and listing the card on ebay.... he explained that sean offered him alot more money than what I paid.. and sean notified ebay and threatened unless the card goes up for sale in a couple weeks the seller would have his account in jepordy...<br /><br />good to know board members stab each other in the back...
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>this is going to go over like a turd in a wading pool.....
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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>I never threatened to contact eBay and you know it Jamie, I think he found out what the card is worth and decided it's best to get it graded and sell it.<br /><br />Grow up.<br /><br />Sean
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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>N/A
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Damn, Sean, is that how you roll? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>I think we can agree on one thing... you dont send payment to someone for a card at 534pm.... and then get your payment refunded at 1:05pm the next day... that in any language is BUll SH::T<br /><br /><br />which is what happened bacuse of a thread I started asking about its authenticity and if the back hurt or helped the vaule... someone from this site reached the seller... and sean he read me your signature.. that little<br /><br />SB<br />DH<br /><br />you do so.. .. what ever im over it.. just dont see how getting a seller to give money back to a buyer and breaking up a sale can be anything but frowned upon.. big lesson learned... this board is different than I thought
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>So someone offered more money to a seller on the side than you offered a seller on the side?<br /><br />This is sort of like Hitler busting Stalin’s balls over being a bad guy…<br /><br />Also I really don’t think Sean did any of the above short of perhaps emailing the seller and offering more money which is no worse or better than how you were trying to obtain the item he was just playing by the rules you set at that point. After all he amoung others (not me) were watching the auction as well. <br /><br />The good news is if the above is true the seller will now realize the full potential of the item and everyone will get a fair shot at the card end of story.<br /><br />P.S. Jamie nothing from stopping you from bidding on the card when it comes up. Just now it will be at a fair market value, which is ironically what you asked about the first time. I guess now we all will know exactly what the fair market value is if gets relisted.<br />
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>this is going to go over like a turd in a wading pool..... LOL Leon
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Posted By: <b>ali_lapoint</b><p>why would you break up his transaction?
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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>I didn't send payment to him or was ever refunded for any purchase, do you want to check my paypal account? After the card was being shipped to you like you said in your post I told him he could have sold it for more money, but he still insisted it was going to be graded and he never sold it.<br /><br />The seller probably saw the value in the card and told Jamie a story that I threatened him, so he can canceled the sale so he could sell the card for an even higher price. One thing is eBay pulled the auction (because it's on the list of 12 cards that need to be graded to sell), he didn't end it early.<br /><br />sdbh
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I think we need those self-pitying Oompa Loompas to work this out.
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>So I guess now would be a really bad time to post my new pickup in the pickup thread.<img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/smileys/143.gif"><br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/small/young.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/small/youngback-1.jpg"><br /><br />P.S. I'm busting balls for those who are slow on the take, I dont have the card I will have to bid on it when it's relisted to win it novel idea...huh?
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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>lol
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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>I knew it! Trying to play a buddy buddy with me today.<br /><br />I need a beer.<br /><img src="http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g193/hanksta3/136179.gif">
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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>This kind of thing happens all of the time...and it's unfortunate you're disappointed Jamie...but such is life. This hobby has been filled with cut throat unscrupulous characters since day one...and is also filled with lots of friendly, caring individuals who help out their fellow man.<br /><br />Since you tried to cut a deal on the side, Jamie, which I personally think is bullsh%t no matter who does it...Sean did no wrong in countering. I've had this happen to me...and I know it sucks. <br /><br />pete in mn
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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Look at the bright side: At least it wasn't an autographed T206 Cy Young.
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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Heck, If you really wanted that "damaged" card I would have offered more money than the others..... email him back and offer more. <br /><br />Top bid wins. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />If you stick with this board longer you will see this exact thing happens 2-3 times a year it seems. If you find a steal, keep quiet until you have the cardboard in hand, they show it off. Bragging about shortchanging a seller (off eBay transaction) will only wake up the jealous collectors with bigger wallets than you.<br />
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Posted By: <b>brock</b><p>Ain't it if you pay for an item, its yours. I dont think the seller has the right to back out.
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Posted By: <b>Iggy...</b><p>I would venture to say that a few beers probably started this "blunder" way back in 1909. Darn beer! It is at the root of all evil... <br /><br />-Lovely Day...
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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>off eBay transaction = no rules
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Frank good point...I would also like to add.<br /><br />on eBay transaction = no rules<br /><br />As of late...
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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Rob D.,<br /><br /><<At least it wasn't an autographed T206 Cy Young.>><br /><br />Could be if the new owner sends it to Coaches Corner. I hear they have a Cy signing special next month. <br />
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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>Like I said, I think the seller found out the value of the card and wanted to find a way to back out of the deal with Jamie, and he decided to tell him that I threatened him by saying I would tell eBay. <br /><br />Hop Devil is tasty beer.
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Posted By: <b>ali_lapoint</b><p>i have a question related to the card but not this side dealing argument. why does a miscut back command a premium while a generally miscut card is de-valued? i wouldn't pay a premium for an ugly back like that.
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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>When the miscut is that severe, there are certain collectors who will pay a premium for it. The fact that the back in question is also upside-down makes it all the more appealling to them (and others).
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Posted By: <b>Iggy...</b><p>Obviously Mr. Ali, you don't drink beer! That back is spectacular and will always command a premium.<br /><br />-Lovely Day...
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Posted By: <b>ali_lapoint</b><p>must be butt guys. im more interested in whats in front myself.
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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>jamie,<br /><br />I know you think this sucks, but it's the same thing that you did. Others were watching the auction. Had snipe bids set on the auction. And you jumped the line and got the seller to shut it down. Who holds responsibility for that? The seller? The first buyer (you)? Subsequent buyers? <br /><br />You posted asking what a "fair" price was. If I remember right, the answer was about $1000. So your $300 wasn't close to "fair". You were just taking advantage of an unknowledgeable seller. <br /><br />You, naively, talked about it before you had the card in your hand and someone made the seller lots smarter. <br /><br />Educating sellers in this manner makes them less likely to close auctions early again. That makes it "fair" to everyone.
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Posted By: <b>jamie</b><p>john, <br />I feel I own you an appoligy for getting crazy before... loosing the sale on such a cool card really sux.... its wasnt the money.. i was not going to sell it.. i just wanted it to be part of the 520 that im working on.. im stuck at 519.. but hopefully soon Ill get the last one..<br /><br />anyway enough on this and ill just bid on it when its up like everyone else..<br />
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>“why does a miscut back command a premium while a generally miscut card is de-valued? i wouldn't pay a premium for an ugly back like that.”<br /><br />I’ll take a stab at answering that, print oddities some folks collect these and some folks hate them it’s really a personal preference. Also when you get far enough along in the set you run out of things to buy cards you once passed on now you have a new appreciation for. Cards like the above are an insight into the printing process and history of the set and also give the collector an interesting item as compared to other normal cards. Also these can be quite rare as you think the same way the folks who printed these cards did, they didn’t want these getting out either hence the few that did escape can command a premium to the right collector.<br /><br />Hope this helps.<br />
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Posted By: <b>jamie</b><p>ps: for the last time ebay ended the auction as an raw t206 cy young is under a list of cards that need to be graded if sold on ebay... here is the email from ebay to show you all what the heck im talking about...( i was selling my raw cy young to get extra money)sent to me by ebay:<br /><br /><br /><br />Subject: Re: Recent Actions - Trading Cards (Please Read) (KMM290331052V62449L0KM) Received: May-07-08 <br />From: eBay Customer Support Expires: Jun-06-08 <br /><br />Dear Jamie, <br /><br />We regret to inform you that we have removed the following listing: <br /><br />T206 T-206 CY Young Bare Hand Showing card RARE HOF'er <br /><br />Your listing was removed due to concerns that we had about the <br />authenticity of the item. <br /><br />In this particular case, your listing included an ungraded 1909-1911 <br />T206 Cy Young Card that is reportedly favored by counterfeiters. <br /><br />Please understand that we are not in the position to verify the <br />authenticity of trading cards and, as such, we cannot say for certain <br />whether or not this particular card is authentic however, due to recent <br />concerns with counterfeit trading cards, eBay now requires this card to <br />be professionally graded prior to being listed. <br /><br />At this point, in order to prevent a possible removal of your card <br />again, we suggest that you have it graded by a professional <br />authentication company. <br /><br />Here is a list of authentication companies that eBay recommends in this <br />case: <br /><br /><a href="http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/auth-overview.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/auth-overview.html</a> <br /><br />Also, for future reference, here is a list of trading cards that eBay <br />currently requires to be authenticated or graded prior to listing: <br /><br />1. 1979-1980 Wayne Gretzky Rookie Card (O-Pee-Chee and Topps #18) <br />2. 1966-1967 Bobby Orr Rookie Card (Topps #35) <br />3. 1986-1987 Michael Jordan Rookie Card (Fleer #57) <br />4. 1933 Babe Ruth (Goudey - all four) <br />5. 1951 Mickey Mantle (Bowman #253) <br />6. 1985-1986 Mario Lemieux Rookie Card (O-Pee-Chee and Topps #9) <br />7. 1952 Mickey Mantle (Topps #311) <br />8. 1909 Honus Wagner (T206) <br />9. 1933 Lou Gehrig (Goudey) <br />10. 1909 Ty Cobb (T206) <br />11. 1909 Cy Young (T206) <br />12. 1909 Eddie Plank (T206) <br />13. 1988 Maxx Dale Earnhardt <br /><br />If you are not listing one of these high profile trading cards then you <br />would not be required to have them authenticated or graded. <br /><br />Furthermore, please understand that this action is intended to be <br />mutually beneficial, considering that a graded Cy Young Card, regardless <br />of condition, generally, sells for much more than one that has not been <br />professionally graded. <br /><br />It was my pleasure to assist you, Jamie, and thank you for your <br />understanding in this matter. <br /><br />Sincerely, <br /><br />Gillespie <br />eBay Customer Support <br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1210273799.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1210273823.JPG"> <br /><br />I just convinced an ebay seller to end this auction and sell it to me for $300. Do you think I can flip this for $400? Thanks in advance. (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Jamie no need to apologize no hard feelings guy. You’ll get that last card BTW. <br /><br />As for the above Young card I agree very cool card sucks you missed out but it’s not over yet bid and bid to win.<br /><br />As for ending things early I think everyone knows my stance, I think I’m not the only one who feels this way but I could be wrong. <br /><br />I also give you credit for making a play for the card just don’t get bent out of shape over this and be man enough to call it what it is an honest backdoor play to get a cool card. I may disagree with your practice which I can do, but I’ll at least respect your honesty in the matter. <br /><br />That’s all I’m saying which I think certain folks don’t understand not necessarily you.<br /><br />Cheers brother, now go finish that damn T206 set already!!!!!!!!!!!! <br /><br />Who do you need anyway???<br /><br />P.S. I do think you were a little unfair on Sean he did nothing more than you did per say...IMO<br />
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Jeff; wow you got ripped off! I wouldn't go any higher than $30 bucks on an eyesore like that! Yuck!
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Posted By: <b>jamie</b><p>Jeff <br />maybe you should check my last post about ebay ending the auction...<br /><br />"I just convinced an ebay seller to end this auction and sell it to me" <br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>I can see why a mis-cut back would be attractive to many collectors... it is an oddity and a rare factory-issued variation. Those who collect stamps all know how much that old inverted airplane postage stamp goes for.<br /><br />But it did appear that the bottom of this particular card was trimmed. Unfortunately, Wonka's scan just cut off the bottom portion of the card, which looked very suspect in the original picture posted (which is now gone). I guess the trimming might not matter as much as normal (on an anomaly like this), but it definitely appeared to be there...
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Posted By: <b>jamie</b><p>Marquard follow through is the last one I need... taking my time on it.. as i wanted to upgrad some of the crappy ones and have it be ready to show the board when its all done.. one day soon hopefully in the next couple weeks
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>For the record, I am re-reading Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" for the umpteenth time. From now on, anything goes with these auctions. You've been warned.
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" I have the book on tape version read by Gary Coleman I agree Jeff powerful stuff!
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Posted By: <b>jamie</b><p>Gary coleman... haha "what chu talking about willis"
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>What Tzu Talkin' 'Bout Willis?
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Posted By: <b>Craig W</b><p>Jamie,<br /><br />Thank you for posting the list of 13 cards eBay requires to be graded.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Craig<br />
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Posted By: <b>Iggy...</b><p>In regards to the "13" cards that ebay requires to get graded. Sometimes a few get through the maze without cancellation. A few month's back, I purchased an ungraded 1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig card on ebay. It is now sitting in a PSA 1 slab.<br /><br />-Lovely Day...
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Posted By: <b>Jason Silvey</b><p>I don't know how the "policy" has been in effect, but I purchased two ungraded T206 Cobbs about 2 months ago. An ungraded Red Cobb sold just last night. None of these were "being sold as reprints per ebay policy."<br /><br />Jason
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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Iggy - It would be trivial for them to put a search on "1933 Gehrig" and spend 30 seconds looking through it each day to see if any ungraded are for sale. Therefore, I believe, that they only pull a card when they have been notified to do so by another ebayer.
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Posted By: <b>Iggy...</b><p>Okay, Matt. That makes sense... Appreciate the wisdom.<br /><br />Of course, if I were to read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War".... I would notify ebay, in the event I saw a real ungraded T206 Wagner. Have ebay end the auction early and then strike a side deal with the seller.<br /><br />-Lovely Day...<br />
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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Iggy - Let's hope none of the board members would stoop that low.
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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Jamie's transaction was NOT a backdoor deal. Ebay took the auction down, and then Jamie contacted the seller. The card was already off eBay when he made his offer. Maybe it was a low offer, but his offer was accepted.<br /><br />The only foul play here was the interference after Jamie's deal was struck -- that, and the seller backing-out of the transaction.
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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>Good one Leon !!!<br /><img src="http://vbbc.forumotion.com/users/17/23/61/smiles/136179.gif"><br /><img src="http://vbbc.forumotion.com/users/17/23/61/smiles/136179.gif"><br /><img src="http://vbbc.forumotion.com/users/17/23/61/smiles/136179.gif"><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>"off eBay transaction = no rules"<br /><br />That statement is factually and legally incorrect. If you strike a deal off ebay you and the seller have formed a binding oral contract for the purchase of the card. As a practical matter, however, it would not be cost efficient to pursue the issue legally under most circumstances.
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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>"...this board is different than I thought" -How stereotypical.<br /><br />Has anyone seen my Snickers bar?<br /><br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I would respectfully disagree. The statement IS factually correct but NOT legally correct. I am very aware that oral contracts can be binding in most cases. (maybe not real estate and a few other instances....at least that's what Judge Judy says)
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>Thank you.... you are the first person who understands what happened and how it went down... it was more than a verbal agreement when I sent money through paypal.. and the seller held on to my money for 20 hours...<br />anyway good to know that at least one person sees it through my eyes.
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>ps.... the offer $$ amount was thrown at ME buy the seller.. i was the one that agreed to his price.. not the other way around...
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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Jamie -- not only do I agree with you, but I also think the interference described in this thread constitutes tortious interference with your binding contract with the seller.<br /><br />However, clearly, this is not a case that anyone is going to (or probably should) pursue.<br /><br />You're 100% in the right here.
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>You hear that sean.. im suing for $350.. $300 for losses on the card and $50 for damages to my wall after I punched a hole in it... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>well, it looks like you guys went thru a full range of emotions over this card, this subject and this thread...<br /><br />all i can say is...looks like i'll need to get my stack of 1988 Maxx Dale Earnhardt cards graded before i sell them on eBay...<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />and to answer someone's question above...<br /><br />collectors pay a huge premium for drastic miscuts & color errors, not only becasue they are very rare, but more so because they're simply cool looking!<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1210283861.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>If the auction was already pulled by Ebay and Jamie offered to buy the card, they reached a deal, Jamie paid, and someone then came along and interfered with the deal, he has a right to be pissed. It isn't like he offered some rube ten bucks for the card; $300 is below market but a substantial enough sum to pass muster. FWIW, if it was local to me and I really wanted that card (if I was an error collector and just dying to own it) I might even file a specific performance case and force the seller to sell me the card for the agreed price or go to the expense of hiring a lawyer to fight me. <br /><br />As far as errors go, there are two factors that make them interesting to me: (1) they are rare, and (2) they show you something about how these little works of art were made. I was hooked when I pulled a blank-backed Jim Fregosi card from a pack back in 1971 (still have it, BTW). The nicest part is that a lot of collectors hate printing errors and they are often sold in junk bins at shows. <br /><br />The Young resulted from the sheet being fed into the press backwards one side or the other. That's why the back is upside down and displaced. I have some similar error cards from the 1948 Leaf set. You can see them at my site: <a href="http://imageevent.com/exhibitman/freaksandgeeks" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://imageevent.com/exhibitman/freaksandgeeks</a><br /><br />On the big 13: I get 12 of them but 1988 Maxx Dale Earnhardt? <br /><br /><br /><br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc
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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Tortuous interference with contractual relations.<br /><br /><br />Jamie should have kept quiet until he got the card.<br /><br />Sean should not have contacted the seller.<br /><br />The seller should have honored the sale.<br /><br />And eBay should have been able to recover for the fees they lost.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Just in case anyone ever doubted what I always say: aren't lawyers great????<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Adam I disagree a bit with you there, but 99% time I’m right there with you buddy and i do understand your point. <br /><br />However the other side of this coin which I think is valid is Jamie posted bragging about working an off ebay deal with a seller which was far from done. When others who were interested in the item realized that the seller was entertaining off eBay offers they submitted theirs,seeing as their watching and snipes were no longer in the running. Seems fair to me, not good for Jamie and a bummer I can see from his point of view.<br /><br />Lesson learned I would think for Jamie.
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>I only started talking about the sale after my money was sent to the buyer... At that point I like every other buy would have considered the sale complete..... and innapropriate for other buyers to contact the seller.. as money was exchanged.... why you feel that others buyers had the right to go and try to offer more money after I paid is beyond me.. I feel like im in a bad twilightzone show.... ... I guess the lesson i learned is even a mailman can steal your card so until Im holding it in my hand.. I wont mention a thing from now on in...<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>the only thing that was far from done about my deal.. was that it didnt ship yet... price agreed on.. money sent... "thank you's" said..... <br /><br />edited to say... John please tell me at this point you at least understand that the ebay page was DOWN before I even started that thread yesterday.... so your auction sniper sob story is worth nothing.. there was no auction ebay pulled the listing due to it being a raw card.. .. having my own listing pulled I contacted the seller to see what he was doing with the card... why do you refuse to get that?
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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Jamie's deal was done as soon as he accepted the seller's offer for $300. At that point there was a binding contract. Anything after that -- a failure to pay by Jamie, or a failure to deliver by the seller -- is a breach. There is no grey area here. If Jamie were so inclined, he could force the seller to complete the transaction (as Adam pointed out), particularly since this card is unique.<br /><br />And anyone emailing the seller AFTER they knew a deal was made, seeking to break the deal by making a better offer, has tortiously interfered with that contract.
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>Well said... I have no card and will have to dog fight it out like everybody else in 3 weeks.. but still well said...
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p> Jamie if the above is the case, perhaps people should have backed off etc. <br /><br />But in their defense you certainly didn't make it seem that way can’t say I find them any more at fault or wrong than what you did. Also the string of events has changed quite a bit from the posts you deleted the other night…<br /><br />However today when you emailed me insinuating that I was the one of your potential suspects who offered the seller money etc. I think you were way out of line; the first I had ever heard or seen of this card was via your post enough said I haven’t even seen the original eBay auction…LOL<br /><br />I don’t like off eBay deals I think they are unfair to the seller and the folks who play by the rules. You can paint any shades of gray around them that you want their just not my cup of tea and when you get into these types of deals these things happen that’s why I avoid them. <br /><br />Look we have shook hands via web and I accepted your apology and I’m trying to be nice here, but if you’re looking for sympathy on this you’re barking up the wrong tree sorry Jamie.<br />
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>PC "has tortiously interfered with that contract"<br /><br />Yawn...I wonder super law genius how eBay would feel about the off eBay deal less thier fees PC, since were on the Matlock train here??<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>"What <i>Tzu</i> Talkin' 'Bout Willis?"<br />Now that was funny!
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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>I think a simple email to a seller is appropriate as such: "please do not end your auction early. If you do, please give me a chance to beat any off-line offers." <br /><br />When a seller engages you to sell offline, that's the same as any negotiation on Net54 or any other cyber realm -- caveat emptor.<br /><br />If the seller and the buyer reach agreement, it is at least bad form for the seller to reneg or for a third party to interfere, with knowledge of the prior deal.<br /><br />The fact that it started on ebay is entirely besides the point. The decision to go offline is between the seller and ebay. The buyer has no contract with ebay.<br /><br />Here, Jamie likely had a binding contract with the seller, who breached the deal--perhaps as the result of tortious interference.<br /><br />And, to add insult to injury, Jamie is now hearing it from the usual chorus of those who dislike off ebay deals.<br /><br />I've been there and it is pretty annoying for a number of reasons.<br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> to see signed pre-war card galleries, articles, my blog and more! <br />
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Posted By: <b>Rawn Hill</b><p>I remember way back when and we used to collect baseball card for our pleasure, this thread and others like it. have given me a new perspective on this HOBBY. <br /><br />Mr. Dan Mckee, I thank you for the wonderful gift in the mail today and for you and all others that I have seen not act like childish, spoiled children, anything that I have is yours if you should treat it as I do, as a caretaker of history.<br /><br />Sorry, but threads like this make me tend to rethink me collecting habits.<br /><br />Rawn
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>John.. just wanted people to stop saying i got the seller to end his auction early....maybe the only sympathy that would be nice would be when the card goes up in 3 or 4 weeks.. everyone from here has a light bulb that pops up.. going "oh yea that jamie kid really wanted this card... Ill back off this auction"...<br /><br />That last part might be the funniest joke all day as the card now has a super bullseye on it.. enjoy<br /><br />[IMG]<img src="http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/deer.jpg">[/IMG]
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Cliff notes here…<br /><br />You were told rough market value, you paid far less. <br /><br />You made it look as you had just made an offer during the thread poor form, which you deleted last night.<br /><br />You spoke to soon on public forum alerted other collectors who in turn offered more money than you once you tipped them off. <br /><br />Wrong of them to do so perhaps your deal was farther done than other people who have done this in the past,I’ll give you that but it’s a free world you cant control folks.<br /><br />Now you've ended up tipping off a seller to the fact that he had a card worth more than $300, seller has decided not to leave money on table and most likely are not a fan of you.<br /><br />Then you went on a rant today as the poor victim. <br /><br />The real victim here that has been avoided is the seller who will now get a fair shake on this card.<br /> <br />You’re mad at yourself and it’s everyone’s fault but yours and you can’t understand why everyone here is not group hugging you. <br /><br />You still have a chance to get this card, just now not at a stupid low price, which bums you out understandably so.<br /><br />At the end of the day you have shown other collectors… what is it you said earlier in an email to me? Oh that’s right…”how you roll”<br /><br />End of Story<br />
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Posted By: <b>Jamie</b><p>john wtf is ur deal.. I cant wait for crap like this to happen to you and then act like a *** dam pr*** to you..enjoy communisim I hear its coming back<br /><br />edited a little profanity<br />
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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>Ebay gave the auction the boot; the seller didn't end it to make a deal. Ebay decided not to let it run, so it gets nothing and deservedly so. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc
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Posted By: <b>Rawn Hill</b><p>Going with Wonka on this. Do not call out a big dog if you cannot get off the steps with the puppies. NEVER brag about the conquest, only look forward to the next.<br /><br />Rawn
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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Jamie,<br /><br />Been there man. Really hard to talk to Wonka when he writes with such sarcasm and attitude.<br /><br />"Yawn"<br /><br />"Super legal genius"<br /><br />"How you roll"<br /><br />Quoting from your private emails.<br /><br />Etc.<br /><br />Really tough. Just hang in there . There are a lot of supporters that just don't want Captain Sarcasmo to go off on them, as I'm sure he will now on me.<br /><br />(Braces self from torrent of attitude from Wonka)<br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> to see signed pre-war card galleries, articles, my blog and more! <br />
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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Adam good point no fees for eBay...<br /><br />Jamie LOL, aren't you the same guy who emailed me earlier today blaming me for killing your sale, what was I guilty off disagreeing with you on how this went down so that makes me a suspect to you to flood my inbox with the F-bomb...<br /><br />"when the card goes up in 3 or 4 weeks.. everyone from here has a light bulb that pops up.. going "oh yea that jamie kid really wanted this card... Ill back off this auction"<br /><br />Yeah right you should also say it's ok because it's all I really collect anymore that one also works really well, people have real soft spot for that one.<br /> <br />As for waiting for this to happen to me don’t hold your breath. Communism had nothing to do with your loss on this card, capitalism did however because somebody offered more $$$, and the only reason they got the chance to do so was because you tipped them off. <br /><br />Sorry but no sympathy here from me especially after your emails to me today.<br /><br />Sorry Jamie that’s “JUST HOW I ROLL” sound familiar.<br />
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I think Jamie's biggest mistake here is treading on to Wonka's photo-shop turf. Major no-no. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Rawn Hill</b><p>I thought this was taken care of many posts ago. Is this just a forum for grown men to act like kids? I'm calling my mom to beat up many moms out there.<br /><br />Rawn
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Posted By: <b>jamie</b><p>wonka whats wrong did someone touch the chocolate waterfall? i know your not supposed to do that
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