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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>We are all familiar with the scarcest T206 card....the "Slow Joe"....Doyle N.Y. Nat'l.<br /><br />But, how many T206er's are aware that there is another variation of the regular Joe Doyle card ?<br />In the close-up scan here of the Joe Doyle card, is seen a printer's mark just to the right of the dot<br />following the "Y" (pointer identifies this mark). However minor this mark may appear, it exactly lines<br /> up with the start of the "N" in the very scarce "Nat'l" variation. It very slightly drops below the line<br /> of the "Doyle, N.Y." lettering, as does the letter "N" in the word "Nat'l" in the scarce variation.<br /><br />Furthermore, this mark is seldom seen. When it is, it has been my experience that the Doyle cards<br /> (that I've seen it on) have Piedmont 350 backs. I have yet to see this mark on Doyle cards with<br /> the Sweet Cap & Sovereign 350, EPDG, Old Mill, Polar Bear, or Tolstoi backs. <br />And, of course, the Doyle "Nat'l" only exists with a Piedmont 350 back.<br /><br />So, is this a "hint" of the "Nat'l" printing ? Or, only a remnant mark of the removal of the word "Nat'l" ?<br /><br />I am curious what your opinions are of this seldom seen tiny mark ? So, let's do a SURVEY on this to<br /> see if my observation is correct, that this strange mark appears ONLY on Piedmont 350 Joe Doyle's.<br /><br />If I have tweeked your interest, check-out your Joe Doyle cards closely and post your inputs here.....<br />and, please identify the back of your card.<br /><br />Consider this, if my speculation here is correct....this card then represents a "poor man's abbreviated"<br /> example of a Joe Doyle error card.<br /><br />Thanks for your interest, and let's get your responses.<br />TED Z <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/aadoylexmk.jpg"><br />................................................. ......./\............<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/cjoedoylenatl.jpg">
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />Good stuff nice catch, I’ve known about this one for a long time as well. I even recently brought this up at our recent dinner to Mike & Dar, I wish you had made it we could have discussed it in more detail.<br /><br />I caught it because I guess I was lucky enough to have one in my collection already. I was looking at the card and saw the spot I assumed for awhile that all Doyle’s had the mark. But after adding a few more I noticed they did not. I started looking for them, and now have 2 and yes both are Piedmont 350 backed cards. <br /><br />About as close as I’ll get to a Doyle in the near future I guess.<br /><br />It would be interesting to see how many pop up on here….perhaps it’s harder than the Doyle…LOL.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/ebay/websize/doyle1.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/ebay/websize/doyle2.jpg">
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>john- i thought of you right away when ted posted this...<br /><br />very cool guys, you could be onto something.<br /><br />John- when the heck are you making it back up to NYC? we really tore it up nice!
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Mike,<br /><br />I just emailed you, we should get together again it was a lot of fun!<br /><br />Ted, lets call it the Partial “N” Doyle….lets also start the bidding at say around 10k…….<br />
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>Mine is just the regular old variety...it is, I believe, the only graded Tolstoi back by SGC however, thats gotta be worth something!
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>john- i just responded...thanks.<br /><br />ted- not to "hi-jack" your thread, but rumor has it that you're coming to the next NYC Dinner, is this true?
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p><a href="http://www.sgccardregistry.com/images.asp?cardid=28530&usetid=2351" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.sgccardregistry.com/images.asp?cardid=28530&usetid=2351</a><br /><br />I'll have to check at home to see if it isn't just a spot of tobacco staining, but it looks from a distance like the ones above.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>My money is on these being a whole lot easier to find then the full variation
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Paul- i had both images up (yours & ted's)...looks like the exact same "mark", in the same location.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Well, there are only 10 (or less) confirmed Joe Doyle N.Y. Nat'l cards.<br /><br />So, I think between Brian W, John W, and I....we already have seen more of these "printer's mark"<br /> variations than 10.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Geeeee...you think so Dylan......
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>ScottIngold</b><p>I was waiting for that to come. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Party foul.....go to the time out corner.....No need to be condescending now ....in person you could do it and we could take a chug of beer and laugh about it...but behind a keyboard we don't get the same non-verbal feedback. Be nice.....best regards
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>And I think we can safely say those cards with the dot - were almost "Nat'l"s<br /><br />The printer polished out that area on the plate (instead of making a new one) and left some of the 'N' there.<br /><br />I'm not sure how long plates lasted back then, how long the press runs were (or if plates were held for more than one run)....<br />so its hard to say how tough these would be to find.<br /><br />But to me, the cool part is that the card was almost a Natl - and could very well have been part of the same press run as the Natl cards. <br /><br />
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Gimme break Leon…really think that was that harsh??? I mean it was a pretty obvious statement besides I’ve seen nastier than that fly around here as of late. But I’ll try to be a bit more sugar and honey from here on out I guess.<br /><br />John<br />
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi John,<br /> It wasn't that bad.... But you should stick to pictures anyway, as you are the master. Be well Brian<br /><br />PS My imagination is running wild wondering what you are going to post next.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>No, it wasn't that harsh by this board's standards but still.....a little sugar never hurt......(no, I don't want "sugars" from you <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>) later....
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>sadly, mine is a sweet cap, so no cigar.<br /><br />interesting work,Trex et al<br /><br />all the best<br /> barry
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>bob</b><p>Sweet Cap 350, no extra dot.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>Hi Ted,<br /><br /> Mine has got the dot, but has a Polar Bear back.<br /><br />Martin
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />From Paul and Martin, it seems that the stray mark appears on Piedmont 350 and Polar Bear. This is counterintuitive to me, since it suggests Polar Bear was early in the 350-only print run. The reason this is counterintuitive is that Demmitt (New York) and O'Hara (New York) appear with all of the 350-only backs except Polar Bear, whereas Demmitt (St. Louis) and O'Hara (St. Louis) appear only with Polar Bear--suggesting that Polar Bear was printed near the end of the 350-only print run.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>SCOT<br /><br />After the 2nd PB input came in I started thinking along the same lines you just stated.<br />I guess we have to give this scenario some more thought in order to figure out what<br /> we are really seeing here with this variation.<br /><br />1st day Survey Results<br /><br />T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark<br /><br />Piedmont 350........6..........0<br /><br />Sweet Cap 350......0..........2<br /><br />Polar Bear.............2..........0<br /><br />Tolstoi..................0..........1<br /><br />Old Mill<br /><br />Sovereign 350<br /><br />EPDG<br /><br /><br />Come on all you serious T206er's, this is new and interesting stuff,<br />let's get some more inputs.<br /><br />
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Zinn</b><p>Piedmont 350. No Mark.<br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1181010287.JPG">
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Ray Piskadlo</b><p>I have a Piedmont 350, Factory 25, 2nd District VA with no mark! Scan coming later!
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Piedmont 350 - no mark.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Piedmont 350 No mark
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Mike Ellis</b><p>one Sovereign, one Piedmont. Both without the mark.<br />Mike
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Thanks....ZINN, RAY, MATT, JIM B amd MIKE for your inputs. <br /><br />We finally have some Piedmont 350's without the printer's mark.<br /><br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>UPDATED Survey<br /><br />T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark<br /><br />Piedmont 350........6..........7<br /><br />Sweet Cap 350......0..........2<br /><br />Polar Bear.............2..........2<br /><br />Tolstoi..................0..........1<br /><br />Old Mill..................0..........1<br /><br />Sovereign 350........0...........1<br /><br />EPDG<br /><br /><br />We are just getting started, this is new and interesting stuff.<br />Show or tell us about your Joe Doyle ?<br /><br /><br />Edited to add 4 inputs emailed from "readers" of Net54.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>We don't have enough information at this point on this Mark/No-Mark phenomena.<br /><br />We know that Demmitt (NY) does not exist with a Polar Bear and Sovereign 350 backs.<br />In fact he exists with only 4 different T-brands.<br /><br />And, from what we have seen here (so far) with the Joe Doyle cards, we have to conclude <br />that there was an early press run of Polar Bears backs (on limited level of Subjects) in 1910<br /> and then a later press run that year on a larger scale of Subjects.<br /><br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I am thinking along similar lines, i.e., early partial Piedmont/Polar Bear print in 350-only.<br /><br />While not statistically significant, I think it is interesting that in this small sample about half of the Piedmonts and half of the Polar Bears have the stray mark.<br /><br />Scot
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Sweet Cap, no mark here.<br /><br />This card to me is the most overvalued card in the set, these commons surpass HOFer prices most of the time.<br /><br />Lee
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>Sweet Cap no mark for me.<br /><br />Sean BH
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Drew</b><p>Hi Ted<br />Two Doyles Sweet Cap 350 and Polar Bear. No mark.<br /><br><br>Drew
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>UPDATED Survey 6/5/07<br /><br />T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark<br /><br />Piedmont 350........6..........8<br /><br />Sweet Cap 350......0..........5<br /><br />Polar Bear.............2..........3<br /><br />Tolstoi..................0..........1<br /><br />Old Mill..................0..........1<br /><br />Sovereign 350........0...........1<br /><br />EPDG<br /><br /><br />We need more inputs, guys and gals. We are looking for some kind of pattern in order to better under-<br />stand this mysterious "printer's mark".<br />So far it has revealed to us that there had to be two Polar Bear press runs in 1910. That is assuming<br /> that this "printer's mark" is correlated to the "Nat'l" caption printed on the 1st run Joe Doyle cards.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Thanks LEE, SEAN and DREW for your inputs. They have been tallied on the updated survey.<br /><br />Also, I have received via email...2 more Piedmont 350 inputs with No Mark.<br /><br />These and any additional ones will be tallied in tomorrow's updated survey. This brings the total<br /> to only 24 Joe Doyle cards.<br /><br />I realize this card is tough to find; but, there has to be more Joe Doyle cards out there in Net54<br /> members' T206 collections.....so, tell us about your's ?
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Ted, while I've sold my Doyle and don't remember any mark or not, this recent auction for a SC 350 had no mark:<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-1911-T-206-Card-143b-Joe-Doyle-New-York_W0QQitemZ220114563858QQihZ012QQcategoryZ86840 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-1911-T-206-Card-143b-Joe-Doyle-New-York_W0QQitemZ220114563858QQihZ012QQcategoryZ86840 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a><br /><br />This one with a PB had no mark:<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1910-T206-Joe-Doyle-Over-PSA-3-7301_W0QQitemZ190116414755QQihZ009QQcategoryZ31718 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1910-T206-Joe-Doyle-Over-PSA-3-7301_W0QQitemZ190116414755QQihZ009QQcategoryZ31718 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a><br /><br />and this one on the LOC site with a SC 350 back has no mark:<br /><br /><img src="http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/displayPhoto.pl?path=/pnp/bbc/0700/0780&topImages=0785fr.jpg&topLinks=0785fu.tif&botI mages=0785bt.gif&botLinks=0785br.jpg">,0785bu.tif& displayProfile=2&dir=ammem&itemLink=D?bbcards:4:./temp/~ammem_NERg:
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Ted- Levi was selling one on eBay recently (didn't sell), it was a PSA 3, Polar Bear back, No Mark.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks JON and MIKE for the inputs.<br /><br />Mike<br />Jon beat you to Levi's PB Doyle in his 2nd link.....I don't want to count the same card twice in this survey.<br /><br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Zinn</b><p>Don't count Jon's first link either. Sean BH was the winner and he has posted his.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>ockday</b><p>piedmont 350...no mark
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Mike Ernst</b><p>Sweet Cap--no dot.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Doyle dot</b><p>I have the Piedmont 350 Doyle, but no dot.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1181097141.JPG"> <br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1181097165.JPG">
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Scott Mosley</b><p>P-350 without the mark here.<br /><br />Scott
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>David</b><p>My Polar Bear Doyle has no mark but on a side note is missing most of the right side of the Y in N.Y.<br /><br />
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>OCKDAY, MIKE, T206guy, SCOTT M, DAVID<br /><br />Thanks for your inputs and they will be tallied on today's upgraded survey.<br /><br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Lee</b><p>My Doyle has the dot
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Art M.</b><p>Hi Ted,<br />Here is the information from my T206 Doyle, hands above cards:<br />Piedmont 350 - no mark<br />Sweet Caporal 350 - no mark<br /><br />Interesting thread.<br />Art
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>UPDATED Survey 6/6/07 to reflect 7 member's recent inputs and 2 emailed to me. <br /><br />T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark<br /><br />Piedmont 350........6.........12<br /><br />Sweet Cap 350......0.........10<br /><br />Polar Bear.............2..........6<br /><br />Tolstoi..................0.........1<br /><br />Old Mill..................0.........1<br /><br />Sovereign 350........0..........1<br /><br />EPDG<br /><br />Well, the Joe Doyle cards with this mysterious "printer's mark" are being outnumbered by the No-Mark<br /> Joe Doyle's by a factor of 4 to 1. With more of the Doyle's reported, I expect this ratio to get higher.<br /><br />The initial 6 Joe Doyle's reported with this MARK were due to I, and others, who had discreetly acquired<br /> them. With 39 cards reported, we are starting to approach a true random sample and eventually we will<br /> have a better idea of the relative scarcity of the Joe Doyle.."wannabe error cards".. with this "printer's-<br /> mark".<br /><br />So, keep those inputs rolling in....we haven't gotten to 1st base yet.<br /><br />T-Rex TED
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Thanks for the input....but, it's also important for you to tell me what back your<br />Joe Doyle has ? Without the back info, I don't where to record your input. <br /><br />Thanks,<br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Lee</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I'm not sure, but I think it is a Piedmont 350....I currently don't have the card in my possession, but I will check it soon to see. Leave me off the list until then I guess.<br /><br />Best,<br />Lee
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I have a question for you. and I can't find your email.......<br /><br />Can you please Email me at......<br /><br />tedzan11@comcast.net<br /><br />Thanks,<br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Four new inputs from "readers" of Net54.....How about some more inputs from "posting" members ?<br /> I know there's more of these Joe Doyle cards out there. <br /><br />T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark<br /><br />Piedmont 350........6.........12<br /><br />Sweet Cap 350......0.........12<br /><br />Polar Bear.............2..........8<br /><br />Tolstoi..................0.........1<br /><br />Old Mill..................0.........1<br /><br />Sovereign 350........0..........1<br /><br />EPDG<br /><br />Well, the Joe Doyle cards with this mysterious "printer's mark" are being outnumbered by the No-Mark<br /> Doyle's by a factor of 4.4 to 1. With more of the Doyle's reported, I expect this ratio to get higher.<br /><br />The initial 6 Joe Doyle's reported with this MARK were due to I, and others, who had discreetly acquired<br /> them. With 43 cards reported, we are starting to approach a true random sample and eventually we will<br /> have a better idea of the relative scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's<br /> mark".<br /><br />So, keep those inputs rolling in....we haven't gotten to 1st base yet, we are 80 ft. down the line.<br /><br />Incidently, does anyone have a Joe Doyle with an EPDG back ?<br /> I listed it on this survey only because the POP report says it exists. <br /><br />T-Rex TED
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Since yesterday, I've received, via emails, 5 more inputs to this survey. Four "no-mark" cards and one<br /> card with the "printer's mark".<br /><br />That brings the total to 48 responses....far short of what was expected from the vast number of T206<br /> collectors on Net54. In fact, a good number of responses were from "readers" who don't normally post.<br /><br />Actually, that raises an interesting question.....how many members on Net54 have really sizeable T206<br /> collections ?<br /><br />T-Rex TED<br />
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> This card sold on EBAY lat month,and I think it's your first dot with a SW CAP back. Have a nice weekend Brian<br /><br /><img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/1fe1_3.jpg">
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 25... no mark.<br /><br />Chalk another one up.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Betty</b><p>Polar Bear Back No extra Dot
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Ron</b><p>My Doyle has no dot and is pied 350 factory 25<br />Regards,<br />Ron<br><br><img src="http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o105/rsst206/front.jpg"> <img src="http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o105/rsst206/meyers.jpg">
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Thanks.....BETTY, BRIAN W, DAVE, RON and "readers" for your inputs.<br /><br />UPDATED....6/9/07 <br /><br />T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark<br /><br />Piedmont 350........7.........15<br /><br />Sweet Cap 350......1.........14<br /><br />Polar Bear.............2.........10<br /><br />Tolstoi..................0.........1<br /><br />Old Mill..................0.........1<br /><br />Sovereign 350........0..........1<br /><br />EPDG....................0..........0<br />____________________________<br /><br />Totals.................10.........42<br /><br /><br /><br />With 52 cards reported, we are short of a reasonable random sample....I would like to see an<br />additional 50 more inputs of this card. Then I'll be more confident that we have a better idea <br />of the relative scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".<br /><br />So, keep those inputs rolling in....we have just slid into 2nd base. So, we still have a long way<br /> to go to score a run. <br /><br /><br />Anyone out there......<br />Do you have, or have seen, a Joe Doyle with an EPDG back ? ?<br /><br />I listed the EPDG back on this survey; only, because the POP report says it exists. <br /><br />T-Rex TED
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>"Slow Joe" started pitching for the Highlanders in 1906. He wasn't a big guy as far as pitcher's go.<br />He had a relatively, short career. His Major Lge. career ended in 1910 in which he only pitched 8<br /> games. These were split between NY (American) and Cincinnati....his career W-L record is 22-21;<br /> however, he had a very respectable 2.85 ERA and completed 60% of his games.<br /><br />His Highlander teamates gave him the nickname of "Slow Joe" because he was very deliberate in his<br />pitching style and he insisted that he should be allowed 8-game intervals between starts.<br /><br /><br />Life is quite interesting....how many of us would remember Joe Doyle....if it wasn't for an otherwise,<br /> unknown simple mistake by the T206 designers that was discovered 75 years later. Now, Joe Doyle<br /> is portrayed on one of the most sought after BB cards in the hobby.<br /><br />TRIVIA quiz for tonite.....Can anyone name another BB card set that Joe Doyle is portrayed in ? <br /><br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Zinn</b><p><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1181528567.JPG">
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Excellent....thanks for showing your 1906 Highlanders card.<br /><br />This card would certainly qualify as Joe Doyle's 1st card.<br /><br />Now, does anyone else have any other type of card portraying Joe Doyle ?<br /><br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Two more Joe Doyle cards without the printer's mark.<br /><br />A Piedmont 350 and a Sweet Caporal 350.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/ajoedoylesc.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/ajoedoylep350.jpg">
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>UPDATED....6/13/07.....upon receiving 4 more inputs. <br /><br />T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark<br /><br />Piedmont 350........7.........17<br /><br />Sweet Cap 350......1.........16<br /><br />Polar Bear.............2.........10<br /><br />Tolstoi..................0.........1<br /><br />Old Mill..................0.........1<br /><br />Sovereign 350........0..........1<br /><br />EPDG....................0..........0<br />____________________________<br /><br />Totals.................10.........46<br /><br /><br /><br />With 56 cards reported, we are still short of a reasonable random sample....I would like to see<br /> approx. 100 inputs of this card. Then I will be more confident that we have a better idea of the<br /> relative scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".<br /><br />So, keep those inputs rolling in....we have just rounded 2nd base on our way to 3rd. So, we still<br /> have a way to go to score a run.<br /><br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Joe P</b><p>TRIVIA quiz for tonite.....Can anyone name another BB card set that Joe Doyle is portrayed in ? <br /><br />TED Z <br />-------------------------<br /><br />*<br />*<br /><br />Rose set ........ also an error.<br /><br /><br /><br />
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Zinn</b><p>Joe P. is indeed correct. It also uses the same picture as the 1906 Sporting Life postcard.<br /><br />BZ
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Lee</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />My doyle is a sweet caporal 350 with the mark...finally got it in y hands today to look at it!<br /><br />Lee
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Do we have a scan of this Joe Doyle card ?<br /><br />I've never seen it, and I thought I had checked-out all Slow Joe's cards (as few as there are).<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Zinn</b><p>Ted:<br /><br />A board member does own the card and has posted it before. If he/she does not by this evening I'll post a scan.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>Ted, when you brought the Slow Joe Doyle trivia question up, I thought you knew about it?<br /><br />Then I remembered, you're a Bowmens man, and a damn good one too. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Best regards.<br />Joe
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Joe....I'm the first one to admit I don't know everything.....that's why I asked the Trivia "Q".....<br />I wanted to know how many different Joe Doyle cards are out there.....I haven't seen too many.<br /><br />Yeh, they tell me I'm the "Bowman-Man"......but, all these years I've been collectingeverything else<br /> under the sun, also.<br /><br />But, look out Joe.....to quote Satchel Paige...."Don't look behind you, you don't know who might be<br /> gaining on you".<br /><br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Zinn</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1181940496.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1181940515.JPG">
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>Thanks for the scan.<br />Joe P.
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Joe Pelaez</b><p>"Joe....I'm the first one to admit I don't know everything.....that's why I asked the Trivia "Q".....<br />I wanted to know how many different Joe Doyle cards are out there.....I haven't seen too many."<br /><br />*<br />*<br /><br />Nice try Ted, but this is how you stated it.<br /><br />"TRIVIA quiz for tonite.....Can anyone name another BB card set that Joe Doyle is portrayed in ?" <br /><br />TED Z<br />--------------------<br /><br />A TRIVIA QUIZ is one thing, a question is another.<br />Are you trying to deny what you wrote?<br /><br />Ted, your ego is getting in your way, and you're setting yourself up to be corrected.<br />If you quit the BS, you wouldn't be corrected.<br /><br />Ted, it's hard to follow the Bowman act, you had that one on a higher level, and I applaud you.<br /><br />Joe P. <br /><br />
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>After speaking with you on the phone the other day I truly do not think you intentionally try to piss anyone off....but you do sometimes. So do I but that's another story for another thread.... I doubt Ted is trying to say he didn't say anything he said (hey, was that double speak?) but was merely asking a question. I know Ted can speak up for himself but just thought I would interject this as I do believe you are not a bad guy....I also know you don't mince words and we can all handle that....but sometimes when things are written on the board they are out there and can be taken worse than they were really meant. I know you meant no harm, did you? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> take care all....
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>UPDATED....6/15/07.....upon receiving 5 more inputs. <br /><br />T-brand.............Mark....No-Mark<br /><br />Piedmont 350........7.........19<br /><br />Sweet Cap 350......2.........18<br /><br />Polar Bear.............2.........10<br /><br />Tolstoi..................0..........1<br /><br />Old Mill..................0..........1<br /><br />Sovereign 350........0...........2<br /><br />EPDG....................0...........0<br />____________________________<br /><br />Totals.................11..........51<br /><br /><br /><br />With 61 cards reported, we are still short of a reasonable random sample......I'd like to see<br /> approx. 100 inputs of this card. Then, I will feel more confident that we have a better idea<br /> of the relative scarcity of the Joe Doyle...."wannabe error"....card with this "printer's mark".<br /><br />The No-Mark to Mark ratio = 4.63 to 1<br /><br />So, keep those inputs rolling in....we are half way between 2nd and 3rd base....so, we still<br /> have a way to go to score a run.<br /><br />Thanks for looking thru your T206 cards,<br /><br />TED Z
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Hi Ted:<br /><br />No mark on my Doyle, Sweet Cap 350 back.<br /><br />-Al
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>Wow Joe... thats exactly what I (assume others?) get tired of on the board, people that want to focus on semantics and pick fights instead of focusing on the friggin baseball cards
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SURVEY..is your T206 Joe Doyle a rare variation ?
Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>AL C<br /><br />Thanks for you input....when I get some more responses I'll tally them up.<br /><br />TED Z
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