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Posted By: <b>Zach S.</b><p>If anyone deals in criminal law could you please email me. I have a couple of questions. Thanks in advance.<br /><br />Zach S.<br />zachariah525@yahoo.com

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Does this deal with state law or federal law. If it is state law which state are we talking about.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Peter, do question marks offend you? When you strike the keyboard on the 'period' button is it less stressful for you than if you would strike the 'question mark' button? Do you only possess one hand - thus making it tough to press the shift button simultaneous to the question mark button? Did the Unabomber get you with one of his packages?

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Posted By: <b>Rob Dewolf</b><p>Jeff,<br /><br />Your picking on Peter, don't you think.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Rob, where on earth did you come up with such a ridiculous thought. Your nuts.

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>Jeff? Why does Peter's grammer bother you, Are you implying that Peter may not do an acceptable job in preparing briefs! "."Are you finding fault with Peter's logic." Is this just punctuation envy;

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jay Why do you say that. Your as crazy as Rob dont you think. These pretzels are making me thirsty.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>You guys are relentless.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Jeff,<br /><br />Shouldn't you have a question mark after, "...don't you think?"<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Maybe the dingo ate your baby.

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Posted By: <b>Rob Dewolf</b><p>Jeff,<br /><br />I'm very fond of them. Thanks for mentioning them.

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>tHAT- "Rob-Jeff-Jay-Jeff" exchange had me laughing out loud so hard it was embarassing?."<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>*<br /><br />you guys: are so funny ?... GooD STuFF&gt;

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Posted By: <b>P Spaeth</b><p>Peter C., he left it off deliberately as a tribute to you.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>What did he leave off.

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Posted By: <b>P Spaeth</b><p>The question mark??

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>&lt;Peter, do question marks offend you? <br /><br />Why is he so upset. Anyone have any idea.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Well..sounds like Jeff is just in a mood today....slow day at work or something who knows...<br /><br />But, Peter did this to himself. Peter has been tinkering for months with this type of grammar on the board.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Did you happen to notice my punctuation. I rarely mess up on that....maybe apostrophes, but those little suckers are like a Freudian slip for me ......

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>We could all pick apart each other's grammar or we could discuss topics related to baseball cards. I'm amazed at the amount of time spent nitpicking here...I admit that sometimes I have no clue what Peter C is trying to convey, but when it is obvious just answer the question or move along. How hard is that?<br /><br />I'm sure a lot of you guys are amused at being the third, fourth or the fiftieth poster in a thread to make the same lame joke, but it isn't funny anymore.

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Posted By: <b>Dan</b><p>Zach, what's up? I am not a lawyer, but live right here in La Madd and know several JAGS that can maybe be of help. Drop down to Port Ops tomorrow and ask for the Port Ops Officer, will be at the site around 9 AM. <br /><br />Welcome back from sea the other day! Always fun to fire up the tugs and go get you guys. Dan... aka, LT

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>It just isn't funny any more? Anyone else agree.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Guys,<br /><br />Who said it was funny. Do you see me laughing.<br /><br />Jeff

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Notice I haven't even made a single grammar or spelling remark on this thread, not even Jeff's omission of a question mark in his last post? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I know I am politically incorrect but I thought it was funny....and Jeff- I saw you laughing. I think Peter C (hey Peter) can take it...as I can take getting repeatedly corrected about my apostrophes.....all I can say is "lighten up Francis"........no harm meant...and I hope Peter C makes the National....I bet he's fun to hoot and holler with..It's cards guys....we are all friends and family.....best regards

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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>Jeff Lichtman, Spikes Flying?

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Posted By: <b>Mark M</b><p>Perhaps someone deserves a break from the grammar police if English is not his or her first language. <br /><br />As far as I know, Peter C. is one of just two people on this forum to have graduated from a Top Eight U.S. law school (Peter S. being the other). That's impressive enough, but even more so when one considers that English was not his first language (I think).

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>I appreciate you guys trying to help me out. But I really don't mind, I've been raked over the coals by nasty judges, so a little friendly ribbing doesn't bother me.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>The people who need to "lighten up" are the ones who can't let a spelling error or grammar mistake go by without commenting on it. If you think that allowing stuff like that to continue on this board will increase the participation then by all means you guys go ahead and blast away at every spelling/grammar mistake. <br /><br />Peter has shown he can take it, but I wonder how many lurkers or newbies are too intimidated to participate because they may be ridiculed not for their lack of baseball card knowledge, but for incorrect punctuation.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Dan- perhaps you're right.<br /><br />I just wish everyone took a little more pride in making certain that their posts were presented as clearly as possible. Forget about spelling- many times I read someone's post and I don't even understand what he is saying.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Mark, I just checked US News and World Report and I graduated from a top 10 law school as well. Now crawl back under your rock, please.<br /><br />Edited to add: Mark, you're hilarious. You actually edited your post to change "top ten" to "top eight" after you checked US News & World Report's rankings. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were in love with me. Sorry, but I'm taken.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Being from a top 10 law school and two bucks will almost get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Peter, I remember as a young lawyer I had my law school diploma framed on the wall in my office (the framed copy was about the size of a small car) and a client of the firm walked in, took a look at it and remarked, "Who cares where you went to law school?" Mortified, I took it down, put it away and honestly have no clue where it is now. The only contact I have with my law school is the multitude of times they call me yearly to hit me up for cash.

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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>College graduates using the wrong forms of your/you're or there/their/they're, et al, does not reflect happily on our educational system or society. And why this is so, is not something that should have to be explained to anyone.

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Posted By: <b>Mark M</b><p>Jeff, what is this "crawl back under your rock" stuff? Are you saying I don't have a right to post here?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Bob- we agree on that point, and I maintain if posters just took an extra moment to proofread their text before they hit the "respond" button many of those errors would be corrected.<br /><br />You can be sure that I do, especially since if I make even a tiny error I will never hear the end of it!

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Posted By: <b>howard</b><p>Add me to the list of those who thinks Jeff picks on Pete. It's getting old.

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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>Yes, Barry, like it or not, you're under the microscope.<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Did we ever figure out which jail Zach sent the orginal message from? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br />(Grammatically, I don't think one is suppose to end a sentence with "from" but you know what I mean.)

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Everyone that will put their name by a post always has a right to voice their opinion. Even though my humor and thoughts differ from many I would hope that everyone will always feel this is a very open and fair forum. Jeff, Mark, Barry, Peter C and S, and everyone else...all have a right to be on this board. As long as you come here to talk about cards and related issues then you are welcome. I guess I need to tone down my own feelings sometimes as they tend to hold more weight since I am the moderator. I will try to behave better in the future....my apology to anyone I might have offended..And if anyone is going to crawl under a rock I will lead the way <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> .... best regards<br /><br /><br />edited to add an apostrophe and I probably messed it up...

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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>(Grammatically, I don't think one is suppose to end a sentence with "from" but you know what I mean.)<br />Two ways to deal with this:<br />1) Churchill's method-<br /> "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put."<br />2) The Brute Force method-<br /> "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something which I will not put up with, a$$hole."<br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Welcome to the Family, now you can be insulted like the rest of us. Today, I've been insulted because I don't insert question marks. Even worst than that on another thread, a Board Member compared my intelligence to George Bush Jr., now that was really below the belt.<br /><br />Peter<br /><br />By the way, Zach, did we answer your question yet.

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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>"By the way, Zach, did we answer your question yet."<br />Your doing this on purpose, right.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />You're doing this on purpose, right?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Leon- your apostrophes are correct! You've made me proud.

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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>I'm just going to believe that this thread is some weird homage to Shoeless Joe.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Bob, if only....

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Posted By: <b>Zach S.</b><p>I can't believe this turned into what it turned into... but, it's pretty funny. No, I'm not in jail <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> I have had a couple of email responses and I'll probably follow up my question using that route. Thanks to the guys who sent emails offering to answer my ? and thanks to everyone else for the entertainment value of the thread.<br /><br />Zach S.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I enjoy reading this board regularly, and have posted occasionally (not heaps, but I have just started with baseball cards).<br /><br />I must say that I cannot believe what I am reading in this thread.<br /><br />Grammar corrections, personal attacks and posts that have nothing to do with the orignal topic of the thread. Is this for real or is there some sort of in house joke that I'm not getting ?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>A little bit of both. Grammar and spelling do count, thanks to yours truly, but we hopefuly do it in a way that isn't too insulting to anyone (but I know not everyone likes it).<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>There is mostly a little ebb and flow in this thread that happens every now and then on the board. Nothing radically different than many other threads and I am sure more tame than some other chat boards. You wouldn't believe it but there is a large minority that like to see some internal cat fighting....Personally, I could do without it but I have been known to join in too...so shame on me.....With the National coming up about 55-60 of us board participants will be breaking bread and having a cold beverage together. It's all good..... There are very few folks who really really hate others on this board. A little bickering isn't a big deal, imho.....If it gets out of hand I will invoke "board rules" too <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> .....take care and welcome to our home.....

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>To be honest, it doesn't really bother me. Nothing anybody says on an internet chat board is ever going to affect me personally, but this thread just seemed a little odd.<br /><br />I can't understand why people would like to create an online "fight" with others when we are all here for the same reason - to discuss the hobby.<br /><br />But anyway, each to their own, and I don't need to add anything further to this thread - so now it's time to read the others !

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Posted By: <b>Mark M</b><p>Barry, I'd say asking a posting if one of his hands has been blown off by the unabomer qualifies as "too insulting."

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Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p>Does anyone here collect vintage baseball cards?

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Mark, you need to lighten up a bit and learn to take a joke. Instead of obsessing about me and worrying about whether I went to a top 10 or top 8 law school (as opposed to top 75) , shouldn't you instead be focusing on making partner in your law firm before you reach the age of 50?

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>My favorite New Yorker lawyer cartoon showed a bunch of businessmen with lawyers standing around a board room table, and one of the businessmen says, "Is anyone missing a lawyer? I have two."<br /><br />A mathematics professor once told me the difference between chemists, engineers and mathematicians, but I'll save that joke for another day-- in part because it's not terribly funny. It only makes mathematicians laugh. Even the chemists and engineers don't think it's funny.

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Posted By: <b>Corey R. Shanus</b><p>While we're on the topic of lawyer jokes, here are two of my favorites.<br /><br />1. What do you do if you're locked in a room with a lion, a tiger and a<br /> lawyer, and you have a gun with two bullets in it?<br /><br /> You shoot the lawyer twice.<br /><br /><br />2. What's the difference between a dead lawyer and a dead<br /> skunk laying in the middle of the road?<br /><br /> There are skid marks in front of the skunk.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Corey, I hadn't heard that first joke -- that one is a keeper. Sadly, I probably hate lawyers more than the average person.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>There's a scene on The Simpson's where the family has invited to dinner Lionel Hutz, the sleazy and incompetent attorney that was voiced by Phil Hartmann. Bart is impressed with him, and the two have the following exchange:<br /><br />Bart: Boy Mr. Hutz, when I grow up I want to be a lawyer just like you.<br /><br />Hutz: Bart, I'm glad to hear that, because if there is anything America needs, it's more lawyers!

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>Isn't it a shame how 99% of the lawyers give the whole profession a bad name.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>very good...

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Posted By: <b>Mark M</b><p>Jeff, rather than spending your time researching my career, why not spend your energy on n54 on being civil towards your fellow posters? If you were to stop attempting to deter others from posting by tearing them down, you might encourage more members and lurkers to post on here and you might even learn something from them. It's not that difficult to show others a basic level of respect, I know you can do it if you work on it.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Mark M, researching your 'career'? Um.<br /><br />And if you'll recall, you're the one who attacked me first. Repeatedly. I would say to you that one should not throw rocks if one lives in a glass house but that would suggest that you have a metaphorical house. Clearly that is not the case. Hey, maybe this will be the year. Fingers crossed!<br /><br /><br />edited a last name out....<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Come on guys, knock it off. Mark and his wife attended the First SF Net54 dinner on June 30, 2007 and were very gracious guests. Although we didn't discuss it, this could be the start of a Net54 tradition. Mark is a real gentleman. <br /><br />And I'm sure that if Jeff got off his broomstick he's also a real gentleman.<br /><br />Come on guys, behave. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter<br />

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Did anybody help Zach out? Maybe he needs a good bail bondsman at this point.

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Posted By: <b>Mark M</b><p>Jeff, just because I do not own a house (nice Lexis research) does not mean my point isn't valid that you would be doing the forum (and yourself) a favor if you would show members a basic level of respect in lieu of animosity. Thanks in advance.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I said metaphorical house. I have no clue whether you own a house nor do I care. I was referring to your professional and educational criticism which, now that I have been alerted by some of your many fans out here, is especially laughable.<br /><br />And I hardly am one to attack someone on this forum. Making fun of Peter's repeated grammatical mistakes is hardly vicious; seems to me that you've forgotten what you've written out here about me. <br /><br />My advice is less posting on Network 54 during the day and more billable hours. Otherwise you won't make partner until after your Social Security kicks in. Thanks in advance.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Have you forgotten, we are friends who share a common hobby. People are starting to think that attorneys are jerks. It may be true, but surely we don't want everybody to know. <br /><br />Actually, I've been reading the latest Time magazine on secret societies.<br /><br />Net54 could be the first secret society that posts on the internet. How about that, guys?<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Peter:<br /><br />But out! Thanks in advance.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>awesome post! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>P Spaeth</b><p>Jay that is a good one.<br />How can you tell when a lawyer is lying? His lips are moving.<br />How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb? How many can you afford?<br />What do you call 5000 dead lawyers? A good start.<br />What do you call a lawyer buried up to his neck in sand? Not enough sand.<br />and my favorite<br />What do you get when you cross a lawyer with the Godfather? An offer you can't understand.<br />

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>They've been insulted so many times that they decided to collect and inventory the Jokes. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Everybody likes to insult lawyers until one day you need one and he wins a case for you. Then he suddenly becomes a saint. Funny how that works.<br /><br />Thanks- tough crowd!

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>all is well once again.<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />