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Posted By: <b>Sam Aker</b><p>As the other thread really should be about the question asked by Dave F.<br /><br />Bobby -<br />In reference to <a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1172496276/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1172496276/</a><br /><br />You posted a log of a user account.<br />The user logged in with an AOL IP<br />Your screenshot showed that user logging in with the same IP over several months, even though AOL hands out different IPS.<br /><br />Did you post any fraudulent information? If not, how do you account for the discrepancy?
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Please call me now or you will be banned. 972-774-7032....I must ask you a question...<br />thanks<br />leon
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Posted By: <b>Sam Aker</b><p>Why don't you ask me publicly...i guess go ahead and ban me and protect a future advertiser.<br /><br />Sam
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I did some IP tracking last night and the IP's show you to possibly be a particular person....Please don't post anymore on this board.....
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Posted By: <b>ScottIngold</b><p>Ahh.... and the plot thickens.<br /><br />Sorry Leon. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>ErlandStevens</b><p>S. K. perhaps?<br><br>The suspense weighs heavily.
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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>Who is S. K.?
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Why would someone not want to call me? I would even call them if they didn't want to use the long distance.....
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>The reneger discussed in the Memory Lane thread.
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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>I'll call you, Leon. Does that make you feel better? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>ScottIngold</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />Who is S K ?
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>That was the person that renegged in the ML auction. This has absolutely nothing to do with that.....Completely different situation....
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Posted By: <b>Peter Spaeth</b><p>S_E_E KO---
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Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>Peter, are there any T's?<br /><br />he didn't honor his ebay bids with me last December as well.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Third Base!
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Posted By: <b>Peter Spaeth</b><p>Anthony you best get the card recertified then if it was graded.<br /><br />EDITED TO ADD At least one.
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>You may call me anything you want to except late for dinner.....
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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>Leon said, "I did some IP tracking last night and the IP's show you to possibly be a particular person....Please don't post anymore on this board....."<br /><br />I too, am a particular person. Very particular. I like my eggs scrambled, with spinach and feta, and a pinch of salt and a generous portion of black pepper to clear the nose.<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Such seriousness these days in this big business, baseball cards.
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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Thanks Leon.<br /><br />Steve Murray<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>We could play "hangman" until somebody guesses the name.<br /><br />I was told who it is in confidence and I never heard of him, which is probably just as well.<br /><br />Edited to say I meant SK, not Sam Aker.
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I am not sure I can tell who "SAM" is, exactly. I can say the IP addresses were from GA and FL.....and one that routed through KY.....The fact that someone won't call me speaks volumes. Anyone not willing to call me, with respect to this kind of situation, will not be allowed to post. It's a very, very easy call for me. I actually have other work I need to do but this is important. It would have been handled last night but it got to be too late. If you care to post or not is totally your call and I hope you do keep posting...as I hope everybody, except "sam", does....take care
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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Im not asking for a medal or anything, but man did I call this one in the other thread. Come to think about it, a medal wouldnt be so bad.
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Posted By: <b>Peter Spaeth</b><p>The guy posted from two states in one day? That is impressive.
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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>"The guy posted from two states in one day? That is impressive."<br /><br />aw, not really, I do it all the time--first, when I'm in a state of confusion, and then from a state of denial.
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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>Todd, it's is the State of Acceptance from which we can all draw the greatest good. For point of reference, it's located 45 southwest of Cuba.<br /><br />JK, that a boy, don't be bashful about asking for a medal! It's Monday, and it sounds like most of us could use one. Say, you got any more Eddie Mathews cards on the trading block? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Okay, does someone want to tell me what the H - E - Double Tootpicks this thread is about??? And who is SK already??
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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>Can I buy a vowel Vanna, er, I mean Peter?!<br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!
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Posted By: <b>Sean BH</b><p>Imagine how confused you would be if you found this board today and were looking for information about vintage baseball cards? <br /><br />It's turning into Jerry Springer brings you vintage baseball cards.<br /><br />Sean BH
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Sam is in Georgia or Florida? Oh great..that narrows it down to five of us...lol<br /><br />Was Same already banned or has he chosen not to post in the last bit?
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Dan- I think it's about time for a good music video.<br /><br />Everyone should watch "Beatles Come to Town". I'm sure Dan could link it for us from youtube. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>Gentlemen,<br /><br />Glad you are having fun with this but this person has been calling me a THIEF and LIAR for the past few days. I was polite and asked on several occasions to PLEASE STOP.<br /><br />Through Leon we figured it out together who this individual is and I am giving him some time to make a public apology. If he does not in the next hour or so will post more evidence to the facts.<br /><br />And no the person is not S.K.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Heh....I would Barry, but I'm making a concerted effort to not go off topic for a while. I still want to know who SK is - I'm guessing the first name is Steve? And I figured out the Sam part - I had no idea the spreadsheet thread had gone haywire. I never even clicked on it as it seemed a little boring, but I should have figured once a spreadsheet thread gets over 50 posts something is going on....I usually wait for a thread to hit 100 before popping some corn. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Dan is right- let's stay on topic. This is a serious issue for Bobby. Sorry.
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>I think at this point you can click on 75% of my threads. Thats about the ratio lately for riots. Even with spreadsheets.
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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>"Glad you are having fun with this but this person has been calling me a THIEF and LIAR for the past few days. I was polite and asked on several occasions to PLEASE STOP."<br /><br />quack. quack. <br /><br /><br />did i hear a duck?
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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>AFLAC! <br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!
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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>Since it has been almost 2 hours and he has yet to come forward with a public apology here is some more for you to digest.<br /><br />Sam posted several times with this IP address 70.222.25 Using a tracker <br /><a href="http://www.ip-adress.com/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.ip-adress.com/</a> you need to enter the IP address otherwise it shows your own.<br /><br />The post was made from Ft. Lauderdale, FL. just so happens the Hawaii Trade Conference where F+W Publications has seminars for the Card hobby. On this link <a href="http://www.hawaiitradeconference.com/attendees.asp?sort=lname&order=ASC&page=3" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.hawaiitradeconference.com/attendees.asp?sort=lname&order=ASC&page=3</a><br /><br />is the suspect is shown as an attendee. This is how he posted from Florida then Georgia.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Bobby, for some of us that have not played Clue in a while -- interpret that please? Who is the 'suspect?'
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I believe one of his competitors is on that list.
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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>There is no one with the initials S. K. on the list of attendees.
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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>i think bobby gave the wrong link...a certain S.K. is on page 4!!! On page 3 all I see is a Bob Holden from Ebay...
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I think you guys are on the wrong trail. S.K. was the reneger in the Mile High auction- what does that have to do with Bobby?
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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Being a lurker the majority of the time, as I learn from many on here, I can't help but wonder how in the world you keep your sanity moderating this forum? This board is great, but when things get crazy, they get CRAZY! Anyway, I love the board. I'll keep it in my favorites file and it had better still be here when I get back from deployment!<br><br>Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.
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Posted By: <b>ErlandStevens</b><p>I was the one who brought S.K. into this thread. I was joking around because of all the mystery in the first couple posts. I just threw out the initials based on the innuendos from the Memory Lane thread. For all I know, Hal is correct that S.K. stands for Silver King (or maybe Sky King!). I'm sorry for mixing the topics.<br><br>Erland
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I remember Sky King, and his daughter Penny!
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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Yes Barry, one is, but I can't believe that Mr. Binder suspects him. Or does he?
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>This is getting interesting. I'll have to get my wife to start looking at threads here instead of the "Mommy chatboards" she usually wastes time on.
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>One question Bobby....you say the IP addresses are GA and Fla...can you elaborate on what time which was from which state?
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>As stated before I don't mind giving out IP addresses in cases like this. You would need to go see when "sam" posted to see the times.....I don't really feel like going back and getting the exact time of each post, relative to the roaming IP it was with. I don't think it's pertinent in this case but if it gets that way I will. I will do everything I can to keep the integrity of the board...which means making people be known when they should be. We already saw "sam" leave, so to me, he wasn't "sam". He was someone else.....
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>The only reason I was asking unless I did something wrong was I just saw it linked to Fort Lauderdale, not Georgia. Just curious....doesn't matter though. I'm about to go eat dinner and by the time I get back at 10EST or so i'm sure this will have already exploded.
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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Anyone care to share the punchline? I'm not a tekkie so I have no idea what those IP addresses mean or don't mean in the grand scheme of things.
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Posted By: <b>jackgoodman</b><p>Barry, don't forget Sky King's airplane's name (yes even the plane had a name) - The Songbird.
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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p> "S_E_E KO---"<br /><br />I'd like ot buy a consonant. It seems like all the vowels may already there.<br /><br />Steve Ko---<br /><br />Little help!<br /><br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Kenneth A. Cohen</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />I believe Penny was Sky's niece. I seem to remember her calling him Uncle Sky.<br /><br />Ken
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>An IP address is an Internet Protocol address...each computer attached to the internet has one. If someone uses Yahoo it changes all of the time...That's about as technical as I get....I would hate to have to require everyone to fill a form out, or such, in order to participate on the board....So far these "anonymous" trolls (a troll is basically a trouble maker) are isolated incidents.....take care
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Kenneth- You are correct, it was his niece. I remember watching reruns as a kid, and Sky King would fly his plane and Penny would always get herself in some kind of trouble (or was that My Little Margie?).
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Posted By: <b>Gene Palmer</b><p><<We already saw "sam" leave, so to me, he wasn't "sam". He was someone else.....>><br /><br />I hope it wasn't son of Sam. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>B.C.Daniels</b><p>his last name is NOT Kennedy<br />or Nugent<br /><br />or even Kubiak!<br /><br />and Teddy bears were not named after him either! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br /><br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>ScottIngold</b><p>Isn't a " Ted " in competition with Bobby ?<br /><br />God we'd make awful detective's. Where's Mark Furman ?
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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>Is it <B>TG</B>if or if<B>TG</B> posts here?<br><br>Frank
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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Mr. Binder has thrown down the gauntlet. It's up to him to out "Sam".<br /><br />BTW it's not T.G.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I think that's who he is certainly implying who "Sam" is.
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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Mr. Binder will be proven mistaken.
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Posted By: <b>Jerry Spillman</b><p><br /><H2><FONT COLOR="red"> How did you acquire all of those sports card checklists you have on you web site? </FONT></H2><br />
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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p><br />OLD CARDBOARD while we're at it.<br /><br />How did you acquire all of those sports card checklists you have on you (sic) web site?
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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p><br />CARDPRICER while we're at it?<br /><br />How did you acquire all of those sports card checklists you have on you (sic) web site?
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Posted By: <b>Ken McMillan</b><p>that's really keene
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Posted By: <b>B.C.Daniels</b><p>What do you collect?<br />any chance you are into blacksox players?<br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Well Steve, based on my dealings with TG, I have a hard time believing that TG is Sam. Doesnt seem in character to me at all. However, Bobby is obviously pointing the finger at TG. So, if you have some information that the rest of us dont, Id sure like to know what it is.<br /><br />Similarly, I'd like Bobby to explain what evidence exists (other than a few coincidences) that proves Sam and TG are one in the same.<br /><br />Finally - regarding the checklists - Jerry, that post is just plain stupid. Steve missed a few - so you might want to also ask: Where did Beckett get the checklists in their guide? How about the Standard Catalog of BB Cards? How about SMR? How about Lew Lipset in his Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards? How about the PSA and SGC registries?
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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>(I'm an old man and can't stay up as late as you young whippersnappers or else I would have responded earlier) <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />1. I too think it out of character for T.G. to be "Sam". I can only go on my prior dealings with him and the several emails exchanged over the past few days where he disclaims being "Sam". I have no other information.<br /><br />2. I have likewise exchanged emails with Bobby. While it is clear that he is implying that T.G. is "Sam" he has not provided (at least not to me)any solid evidence to support his suspicions. <br /><br />3. Yes Jerry's was a stupid post. What was the purpose? <br /><br />Finally, anyone can "imply" all they want. Until there is a direct accusation supported by solid proof there is really no need for this to continue. <br /><br />Disclaimer: I am a subscriber to VCP and have found it to be an invaluable resource.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Kravitz</b><p>I can say that I have known Ted for a while and his integrity is beyond most. He would never stoop so low as to take shots at someone using an assumed name. I would bet my collection on it! If Ted had something he wanted to say, he would do it using his own identity. Ted's site is so extremely comprehensive and superior that he does not need to involve himself in silly games. I believe it may be someone who has had a sour dealing with Bobby in the past, and from the sounds of it there may be a few.
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Posted By: <b>Jerry Spillman</b><p>No answer yet…<br /><br />The publishers/editors of the major sports card price guides spend a considerable amount of time, effort and money to produce a price guide that consists of brief set descriptions, checklists and prices of sports cards. Many of the vintage card checklists represent the accumulation of vast amounts of data that have been compiled over a long period of time. The major contributors of and updates to these checklists are listed on the Acknowledgement page of their publications. Most of these contributors are compensated for their input. Many of these contributors are also members of this forum.<br /><br />Unfortunately these checklists are being appropriated and used as an integral tool in the sports card pricing service businesses. These businesses are now competitors of the sources that publish these checklists and rely on these same publishers for free updates! The publishers of the baseball card price guide catalogs will have to deal with this problem.<br /><br />Over the years I played a small part as a contributor to the baseball card price guide catalog publications. However only the publications that I came to agreement with have the right to use the Sporting Life Cabinet checklist. I made no agreement with vcp.com. I would like to ask that that checklist be removed from that web site. Thank you.<br /><br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Isn't this a subject more properly addressed privately to the one whom you allege has misappropriated your "property"?<br /><br />I suspect though that it is all part and parcel of a personal vendetta that you, and others, have against VCP and Mr. Binder.<br /><br />Personally I, as well as others on this board, are getting pretty sick of this childishness.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>In regards to checklists we spent almost a year collecting this data and inputing them by hand. Of the 1500 sets we currently have a good number of them are a work in progress. The N172 set is over 3500 cards and we have accounted for about 2400 so far. A person recently sent us a scan of Jenkins, Roanoke for the T209 B & W photo series that we added to our list that was not in any books. A number of others are added as the cards come up for auction. Inputing about 3000 auctions a day helps fill these sets rapidly.<br /><br />Hope this explains our process to you.
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Posted By: <b>Zach Rice</b><p>Jenkins of Roanoke in the T209-2 set has been checklisted. On VCP a Jackson of Roanoke is listed as being a card in the T209-2 set instead of the Jenkins card. The Jackson does not exist and should be removed from the list and the Jenkins put in its place.
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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>No need for anyone to get their panties in a wad or become defensive over checklists. Works consisting of common information such as lists or tables are not copyrightable. Bob Lemke and I discussed this years ago when I was asked to revise the exhibit card listings in the catalog. He couldn't give me the data in electronic format because I could then use it, so I had to hand-annotate.
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>lol, is this guy serious? Sole rights to a checklist of a card set?
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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Jerry,<br /><br />Here is a question for you: What legal basis do you have for believing that you have the exclusive rights to the checklist for the sporting life cabinets?
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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>I think Jerry is an offspring from Sam Aker...at least I don't recognize his name. This is getting insane. What a baboon.
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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Mr. Spillman is a very well known and advanced collector.
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