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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Do you really know who you are buying from or selling to?<br /><br /><a target=_top HREF="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/03/namericancharitable.htm">Link 1</A><br /><a target=_top HREF="http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/atoz/article_1031486.php">Link 2</A><br /><a target=_top HREF="http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/atoz/article_1036195.php">Link 3</A><br /><br />Greg<br />

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Greg, Any of these folks in the card business?

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Posted By: <b>Jim Crandell</b><p>I saw this earlier today. The articles are certainly making the rounds--four people have forwarded it to me today. <br /><br />Hal--read it more carefully and e-mail me with questions.<br /><br />Stunning.

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Hal,<br /><br />If Memory serves, I recognize one on the Lanes, I mean, names.<br /><br />Greg

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>anyone want to summerize the articles? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>A couple points. I think JP Cohen is one of the owners of Memory Lane, if it's the same person. I got a call a few minutes ago from another board member about this article and he asked if he should post it. I told him I didn't think so though I would allow it. Honestly, for the most part, I would prefer to leave personal issues out of the board. If this was hobby related it would be different. I won't censor, delete or ban for it but really....do all of us want our personal lives brought up on the board? I have said publicly that I was convicted of drug charges in 1986. I went to prison for 5 1/2 months on a 3 yr sentence. I got what I deserved and paid the price. I think I do a lot of good stuff and know I made huge mistakes before. It's what people do after those mistakes that make the person, imho. I would prefer to leave our personal lives off of the board....thanks much...

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>I can hardly think of anything more material than finding out that an auctioneer had a past life as a swindler.

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Posted By: <b>Peter Spaeth</b><p>With due respect, IF this is the same J.P. Cohen affiliated with Memory Lane, I would think a guilty plea by a person now running a major auction house to charges of telemarketing fraud (including fraudulently collecting moneys from people under pretenses that they were charitable contributions for sick kids) might be relevant to people's decisions whether or not to do business with said auction house. Just my opinion, confined to the relevance of the post and not expressing any views on the underlying facts.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>He is also a regular board member here....I would imagine you'll hear exactly how he feels.

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Assuming this is the same J.P. Cohen...<br /><br />then I would certainly feel as if I had been "shilled" if I had ever won anything in their auctions.<br /><br /><img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>paulstratton</b><p>It makes me wonder what else this guy might do to make a few extra $.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Leon- what you did 20 years ago is long in the past and has nothing to do with who you are today. If the person cited is the part owner of Memory Lane, then that is in the present and is worth making known.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Like I said...it's only my opinion.....I have been lone person out many times.... It's "our" forum so, so be it.....

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Posted By: <b>Jim Crandell</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />Is he really?<br /><br />Under another name?<br /><br />He certainly did not post when I asked him to post on the practices of his company.<br /><br />If I was advising him, I would tell him to be honest. Alternative is not good.<br /><br />Jim

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Leon- I acknowledge your point but see a world of difference between your situation and JP's. Your actions harmed only yourself and constituted, in my eyes at least, a victimless crime, I don't have much sympathy for anyone who preys on others, if this is indeed the same J.P. Cohen. I think I am a very non-judgmental person, at least I hope I am, and try to find something good in everyone in life but it is harder for me to be compassionate about something Enronish than about a person who makes a bad decision which results in a victimless crime.<br />tbob

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>I maybe wrong....I could have sworn I've seen him posting here in the past...I was actually just trying to run back through old threads a few minutes ago....maybe somebody can either confirm or rule out that...

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />I think that Dave is mistaken. It would be unlike JP to post on here or any other message board even on an infrequent basis. There are very few dealers who are active participants on this board. Kind of like being a rat in a snake cage.<br /><br />Greg

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Posted By: <b>Jim Crandell</b><p>He is certainly not a regular here and I never recall reading a post buy him in the time I have been on Net 54.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>So be it...and I do see ya'lls points. My issue (20 yrs ago) and his are 2 very different ones. There is a JP that posts on the board but it's not Cohen. Stealing is dispicable and if from a charity it's that much worse...so I am with ya'll on that. Even us "druggies" have a code of ethics.... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>So Leon what was your drug of choice? Was it for personal use or did you distribute. Just wondering if that is how you financed your card addictions or just thinking about how many more cards you might of had instead:-)

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Either way...looks like we are off the topic of just good old cards for awhile again....ha ha

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Posted By: <b>Eric Everett</b><p>What I found interesting was the fact Mr. Gold hired his daughter's boyfriend, JP, at the age of 15 and he was soon his best employee. Meaning he was a great con at 15. I don't know about anyone here but if I was offered 5 figures at the age of 15 and had upside down priorities (which many 15 year olds do) I might just have done the same thing. Imagine the money and possessions and feeling of social superiority snowballing from that age (15!!). Now fast forward 10 years, and this guy now wants to use some obvious gifts legally to build his own business. Enter Memory Lane. He's done his time, hopefully learned a lot, and wants to move on with his life. <br /><br />All of the above is much speculation and conjecture, and I understand the risk people might be taking in putting their trust in such an individual. I don't have $10k items being sent to him so this is probably none of my business. Just wanted to point out the age thingie. <br /><br />-Eric Everett

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>.

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Posted By: <b>Jim Crandell</b><p>Eric,<br /><br />He was 15 20 yrs ago, right?

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Posted By: <b>Eric Everett</b><p>I stand corrected, 20 years not 10. Makes a bit of a difference in my little story doesn't it? <br />&lt;recedes back into lurk mode&gt; lol <br /><br />-Eric Everett

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>edited for being posted in wrong thread

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>I guess the obvious things someone could infer from all of this are:<br /><br />1) Shill bidding<br /><br />2) Card doctoring<br /><br /><br />Neither are very good for us.<br /><br /><img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Peter Spaeth</b><p>I think we should reserve judgment until we have heard (if we are going to hear) both sides of the story. I think the post is fair game for the reasons I previously stated in response to Leon, but at the same time it is too early to infer anything. Hal is right that those things certainly could be of potential concern, but let's not convict anyone yet of new charges.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Well, if it's the same guy, what is the other side to the story? That he is innocent of all the allegations in the article? That he does not commit fraud in his present business? What else is he supposed to say other than, "that was me a long time ago, it's not me today."

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Posted By: <b>Charlie Barokas</b><p>Greg Schwartz is now my hero!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>If you had made a lot of illegal money and needed to launder it, wouldn't rare baseball cards be a good place to put it? Seems like a possible connection here (I know I have no evidence, I am just speculating).

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Charlie,<br /><br />You are someone who works very closely with JP Cohen and Memory Lane, so how do you feel about this? <br /><br />Greg

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Posted By: <b>Charlie Barokas</b><p>Greg,<br /><br />I am shocked. My relationship with Memorylane Inc has been that we share a very good customer and consignor. Needless to stay, I think we are all taken back right now.<br /><br />I do applaud you for this information. I can assure. That nobody from Manontherock Inc has ever played pai gow poker! <br /><br />Charlie

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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>So is this JP Cohen around 34-35 years of age?

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>If it's the same person, then the background is relevant to this forum given that Memory Lane is currently an active auctioneer and many forum readers do business there.<br /><br />If it's the same person. If not, what a terrbile disservice to the Memory Lane JP Cohen. This should have been confirmed or at least investigated before posting - short of that it's a little irresponsible.<br /><br />Just my opinion, but Lord knows I now hope that no one named Joann Kline ever gets in trouble anywhere or my name here could be Mud - no matter whether it's actually me or what I try to do to salvage my reputation. Such as it exists. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Joann

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>IF this is the same guy, we are not just talking about stuff that happened 20 years ago. The article says he was indicted on golf club telemarketing fraud AFTER 2001 which would make this fraud ongoing up until less than 5 years ago when he went to prison. I dont know him and am not making any comments about him personally, but IF it is him, this is really bad stuff.

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>What is the old saying about either a Leopard and it's spots or a Tiger and it's stripes???<br /><br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Memory lane is located in Tustin, CA and the telemarketing scam took place in Santa Ana, CA. Anyone know how close those cities are to each other?

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>About ONE MILE.<br /><br /><img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Harry Wallace (HW)</b><p>Are we sure that this is the same person. Has anyone called Memory Lane?<br /><br />It just seems weird that this would not come out until now. Those articles were written many years ago.

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>Henry,<br /><br />That might be true but many years ago cards were not selling for as much as they are now and auction company ethics weren't in the spotlight.<br /><br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Two guys named "JP Cohen" within a mile of each other.<br /><br />Seems possible... but probably the same guy.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>If I'm not mistaken one of the articles referred to Adam Cohen--JP's brother.<br /><br />JP of Memory Lane has a brother named Adam.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Then it's him. Too many coincidences.

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Posted By: <b>Charlie Barokas</b><p>In November 1998, the FTC filed a complaint against the above-named defendants, J.P. Cohen (a defendant not part of the settlement package), and the corporate entities through which they did business, U.S. Marketing and North American Charitable Services, Inc. The FTC alleged that in telephone scripts, "thank you" letters, and brochures sent to donors, the defendants and their subcontractors misrepresented that consumers' donations would benefit local purposes - such as holiday parties for sick children in local hospitals - and misrepresented that consumers' donations would support particular programs - such as buying wheelchairs for veterans. According to the FTC, most donations did not support a charitable purpose but instead funded the nationwide telemarketing operation and lined the defendants' pockets. In some instances, the defendants never paid the nonprofits, but simply kept all the money raised in their names.<br /><br />edited to add: sick kids

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Despicable!!

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I can barely imagine anything worse except some physical abuses. <br /><br />edited because I changed my mind. I would do as CMOKING and evaluate their auctions as I go...

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>We should probably suspend judgement until we know for sure this is the same JP Cohen, in spite of how obvious it appears that it is. <br /><br />Having said that, it certainly sounds like the JP Cohen I know. <br /><br />This is the one who never posted on the board until he made a post saying he needed me to contact him. He felt he was somehow trying to "out" me after he had not received auction items about 30 seconds after he paid for them. Of course, he failed to mention that he took over a month to pay for them and was bidding on behalf of a bidder who I had banned from my auctions. <br /><br />Think about the "code of ethics" involved when someone who runs an auction house is willing to bid in another auction for a banned bidder. <br /><br />This becomes more interesting due to how this story ended:<br /><br />Because of the dollar amount of his auction wins (nearly six figures) and the importance of the cards, I was not comfortable shipping the cards. I told him I'd prefer to hand-deliver them, if possible. He said he had a friend here in Colorado that would be set up at a show in two weeks and I could give the stuff to his friend so he could pick it up at that show. Well, we came to this agreement after two weeks had already passed since the end of the auction. Two weeks after that I received a personal check from JP Cohen. ONE DAY later he asked me to give the auction items to his friend who was leaving for the show the next day. I said there was no possible way I would ever consider doing this, especially considering who he was bidding on behalf of. <br /><br />I said I'd still be happy to personally deliver the items to his friend the following week or whenever his check cleared. He started threatening me with lawyers, etc. so I suggested an activity he could go do with his lawyer and told him he'd just have to wait until the National, which was about 6 weeks away at that point, to get his stuff. If he didn't like that he could come pick it up himself. <br /><br />From what I remember he even called Leon to complain about me. Anyway, he finally agreed to allow me to deliver his items to his friend in Colorado, which I did the following day. <br /><br />Any guess who his friend in the "Mile High" city was?<br /><br />-Ryan

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Posted By: <b>paulstratton</b><p>Ugh...from bad to worse.

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>Guilt by association is not fair. I don't think it's fair to drag the friend into this.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Oh Oh Ryan--shouldn't have said that--it seems about the time that the great dealer apologist--Colt McClelland--weighs in on this issue.

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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>Charlie or anyone who personally knows JP Cohen, is he around 35-36 years old?<br /><br />James

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>So does this mean we should throw away all the cards we've purchased from Memory Lane auctions? What's the point?

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>James,<br /><br />I do--that is his approximate age.<br /><br />Cobby,<br /><br />You have got to be kidding.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Yes, that is exactly the point. Throw away all the cards won from Memory Lane auctions. Oops wait, here's a different point: don't buy from them in the future. Can't decide which one makes more sense or which more obviously follows the above posts. I'll have to think about this for a while.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Here's a photo of the Memory lane JP:<br /><br />edited to remove huge photo.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1168044018.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>Who is Ryan?

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Charlie,<br /><br />I had assumed since you and Andrew had bought things from me on several occasions and asked me to ship them directly to JP Cohen of Memory Lane Inc, that you were doing business with him. In addition when I had noticed you list<a target=_top HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=133064&item=190060 156394"> this card</A> only to have JP list <A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/1948-49-LEAF-1-JOE-DIMAGGIO-GRADED-SGC-88-PSA-8_W0QQitemZ290058894947QQihZ019QQcategoryZ133065QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem"> the same exact card</A> immediately after you ended your listing, I just assumed that you were doing business with him.<br /><br />Well it is at least good news to hear that you are not Pai Gow partners. <br /><br />Greg<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>simply that you can choose to not fatten his bank account further?<br />So many places you can buy material from, if the scuttlebutt thus far is true - wouldn't you rather direct your monies somewhere else? I mean, telemarketing money out of people for good causes, and then keeping the vast majority yourself is kinda slimy, no?<br /><br /><br />Daniel

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Jim Crandall,<br />While we are crucifying Colt McCelland and Brian Drent, why don't we crucify everybody that ever bought or sold a card through Memory Lane since they all must be equally guilty. Jim, your crusade is verging into the realm of slander.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Agreed...this isn't about everybody that knows this dispicable person. It's about the person that did terrible things....Also, for the record, had I known everything I know now I certainly would have posted this myself. No way would I cover for this or ask it not to be posted. best regards

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Posted By: <b>Charlie Barokas</b><p>Greg,<br /><br />Let me say again. I am in total shock. J.P. has been nothing but a great guy to me personally and I have no reason to believe he is involved in any of this. <br /><br />However, the information provided seems to indicate it is the same guy. He may have been involved but to a much lesser degree.<br /><br />Personally, I hope these allegations are false for many reasons.<br /><br />But if he was involved in scamming charities, I will have to reevalute my position.<br /><br />Charlie<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I hate to show sympathy for anyone who would scam people out of money but 15 years old and mentored by a con artist is probably going to leave an impression hard to shake.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I am very empathetic to situations but did I miss something? Didn't some of this happen in the last 5 yrs or so?

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Peter, <br /><br />You're right. It isn't fair to lump Brian Drent in with JP Cohen, especially with what we now know about JP Cohen. I won't go back and edit my post, but only because I don't believe posts should be edited. I do regret posting it in this thread. The implication that it leads to isn't fair to Brian. <br /><br />It was JP that said they were friends, not Brian. Maybe they just knew each other because they both had similar sized auction houses. When I dropped the cards off, Brian wasn't even there and I'm not sure he ever even saw them. <br /><br />I disagree with you a bit about the "guilt by association" part, though. If some guy I know is a scumbag and you say you're friends with him, it doesn't necessarily mean you're a scumbag, but you have less credibility than someone else. Once I know you more, I can decide for myself, but until then, you're that guy that's friends with a scumbag. <br /><br />The problem here is that it was the scumbag that said he was friends with the other person, not the person who said he was friends with the scumbag. <br /><br />I'd like to apologize to Brian for what conclusions could be drawn from my post. I'd have no problem with it being deleted, either. <br /><br />Also, to clear it up, the JP Cohen I know is a scumbag whether it's the guy in these stories or not. <br /><br />-Ryan

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>I think Dan's point is that 15 yr. olds are very impressionable and if they are led into this type of activity by a father figure mentor (his mother's boyfriend apparently), it arguably is understandable how a person could go astray.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>If it is the same JP and we don't know if it is, but judging from the information in the article JP was only 15 when he was hired by a con artist to work for him. He evidently was in business with him for the next 14+ years. I know that I got my morals from my mother and father. It sounds like JP may not have had a father in his life since this con artist was his mother's boyfriend. I don't excuse any wrongdoing, but I can feel some sympathy for someone who was brought up in a life of crime.<br /><br />We should also state that there is ZERO evidence that Memory Lane's auctions haven't all been on the up and up.

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>Ryan you have always seemed a fair-minded person and your follow-up post confirms that impression. Just on the theoretical subject though, bear in mind that we don't always know everything about our friends, so one might well be friends with someone who is a "scumbag" but have no idea about their past, or their secret activities, or whatever. Another reason not to presume people are guilty by association.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>JimB,<br /><br />Oh Oh--hit a nerve--have not said anything bad about anyone here.<br /><br />I have asked a number of dealers to explain their policies---sorry if that was too much for you and Colt.<br /><br />Jim

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Jim Crandall,<br />Personally I like to have some evidence before I presume guilt. You go on doing things your way and I'll do mine my way. I would appreciate it if you could refrain from snide remarks, but of course that is up to you.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I understand a 15 yr old can be impressionable. No doubt about that. When you are in your mid-late 20's and represent that you are collecting money for these worthwhile charities, and bankrolling it yourself, it's still very wrong. I can't imagine saying I am collecting money for disabled firefighters and kids in wheelchairs and then keeping the money myself.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I can't either Leon, but you and I were not mentored by a con artist.

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Using the logic herein, we shouldn't buy from any auction house and forget eBay. I think we're talking ourselves out of a hobby while in search of (1) a nonexistent conspiracy theory; or (2) making much ado about nothing. <br /><br />Where there are clear shams, they are brought to everyone's attention and dealt with. There are plenty of those. Why hunt for ones that likely don't exist? This is almost as bad as those morons on the Beckett boards, making false statements about the authenticity of cards, except that the overall IQ on here is considerably higher. What a shame.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>JimB,<br /><br />Who am I saying is guilty and where did I say it?<br /><br />I asked dealers to explain their policies. I don't think because they refused to means that they alter cards.<br /><br />Colt has come in like a bull in a china shop and been very aggressive and obnoxious in his comments. Then he got in an argument with another poster and deleted everything he said.<br /><br />Besides that have no idea what you are talking about?<br /><br />Would you like to join us in NYC in a couple weeks in our discussions to clean up the hobby or are you happy with the way things are?<br /><br />Jim<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Sean C</b><p>From the first linked article: <br /><br />===========================<br />According to the FTC, the defendants raised more than $24 million between 1995 and early 1999, but contrary to their representations, they provided only a small amount to the nonprofits. Steven Chinarian, another defendant, has agreed to refrain from fundraising and must post a bond before engaging in telemarketing activities, as part of this settlement<br /><br />In November 1998, the FTC filed a complaint against the above-named defendants, J.P. Cohen (a defendant not part of the settlement package), and the corporate entities through which they did business, U.S. Marketing and North American Charitable Services, Inc. <br /><br />============================<br /><br />If he's about 35 or so now as people are mentioning, he would have been about 23 in 1995 and about 26 when charged by the FTC, not 15. <br><br>Interesting reading: <a href="http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm</a>

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>Cobby what are you saying, that you don't think it's the same person, or that you think even if it is it is irrelevant to his activities as a dealer/auctioneer? Not challenging you at all, just trying to understand your point.

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>According to this link that Greg posted, he was hired in 1987 when he was 15. That squares up pretty well.<br /><a href="http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/atoz/article_1031486.php" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/atoz/article_1031486.php</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/atoz/article_1031486.php</a</a>><br /><br />Edited to add:<br /><br /> <br />"December 1987: Gold hires 15-year-old J.P. Cohen, the son of a girlfriend, as a telemarketer. Cohen quickly becomes Gold's top employee."

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Sean,<br /><br />One of the articles said he was 15 when he began working for Gold.<br /><br />Jim

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Posted By: <b>Sean C</b><p>Not that it makes the allegations any better. <br><br>Interesting reading: <a href="http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm</a>

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Peter-<br /><br />Don't know whether it is the same person or not, but if it is, I ask:<br /><br />(a) Do we no longer purchase from Memory Lane?;<br />(b) What do we do with cards (graded and raw) already purchased from Memory Lane?; and<br />(c) Do we likewise blackball all auction houses subject to these allegations (this isn't the only one), because of the potential for some questionable cards?