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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Our attendee list for our New York dinner just keeps getting more distinguished all the time.<br /><br />With the unexpected but welcome news that Bill Allen, president of Mastronet will be joining our esteemed group on Thursday, we now have three presidents at our Thursday dinnerr--the others being Dave Forman of SGC and our own Al Crisafulli--president or at least chief moderator of Lets Talk Sportscards.<br /><br />Best news yet--anyone and everyone is welcome to come--but you must let me know to get the secret password at jdc122@aol.com.<br /><br />Jim
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Posted By: <b>Scott B.</b><p>President of Mastronet is Bill Allen???? Not Doug Allen???
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I don't have the secret password- but I will be there and I do hope everyone will join us, despite the ten degree temperature expected Thursday night. Think of it as invigorating!<br /><br />I missed that too- it's Doug!
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Whoops I am combining Doug Allen and Bill Mastro's names.<br /><br />Obviously its Doug.<br /><br />Jim
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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>"Hail to the chief moderator"<br /><br />I'm not a president but I own a Dead Kennedys album. Does that count?
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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>I am impressed at the punk rock attitude on this list. First Black Flag, now DK's........
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>They were supposed to be a pretty good punk band, but I never heard them. I think they used to play at CBGB's.
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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>DK, right on David......Your one notch cooler in my book!<br /><br />DK's singer Jello Biafra was almost SF's Mayor in'79 (coming in 4th in a field of 10 behind Feinstein)
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>That was a year after Moscone and Harvey Milk were assassinated.
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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Now we gotta talk BR and Social D!
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Posted By: <b>bruce dorskind</b><p>Three of the key discussion points on Thursday evening have to address <br /><br />What are our objectives?<br /><br />Whose hobby is it anyway? Or more accurately is this still a hobby?<br /><br />Whilst there are a cadre of bothersome issues such as grading disparities,<br />changes in E Bay's policies. and a lack of transparency in the auction<br />and sales process, we suspect that there are, at most only a few thousand<br />collectors who really are both aware of these issues and care about them.<br /><br />The Summit must place some definitition to the hobby (i.e. is someone who<br />collects every Old Judge as much a hobbyist as someone who<br />spends $100 a year on his annual visit to the card show?<br /><br />If the Presidents "and their men" want to discuss standards, it is<br />imperative that their target audience is precisely delineated<br /><br />It is also important that any ideas regarding regulations has<br />an enforceable enforcement component. This, in our opinion,<br />will be rather difficult to achieve.<br /><br />It might make sense Jim to ask each of the attendees to bring<br />along an agenda and an outline and prepare a 3 minute formal<br />discussion. In that way you can keep the discussion focused.<br /><br />We will certain look forward to watching what actionable steps<br />are taken as a result of this gathering. Lots of good luck!<br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List<br />
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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Jello was born and raised right here in Boulder, CO. <br /><br />Vote Biafra/Rollins in 2008!<br /><br />-Ryan
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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Well, ummm...<br /><br />I ran a punk label for 8 years, I've met Jello, Rollins, and my personal favorite Joey Ramone (although one of them is dead and the other two wouldn't know me if they tripped over me), and I was personally devastated when CB's finally closed, but there is certainly NOTHING about me that I would call "distinguished."<br /><br />Thanks, though. Can I still come?<br /><br />-Al
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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>Don't forget Husker Du.
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Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>[not meaning to continue with the hi-jack thread, but ...}<br /><br />Very cool, Al, about the record label. In the music world, did you ever run into Bill Nowlin, president of Rounders Record, who is a huge Ted Williams collector and has written several books on the Williams and the Red Sox?<br /><br />Max
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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Never met him, no. I wasn't particularly special then, either. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />But I do love Husker Du.<br /><br />-Al
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Being a hippie from the 60's, I missed out on the punk scene. But if you have any questions about Buffalo Springfield, Country Joe and the Fish, or the Yardbirds, I'm your man.
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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>The Yardbirds are the most underrated rock band of all time. Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton....I can't believe no one has ever made a real documentary about this group.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>The late Keith Relf on vocals, Paul Samwell-Smith on bass, and Jim McCarty on drums. And they became Led Zeppelin-making it more imperative that their music never dies!<br /><br />What does all this have to do with Jim C's meeting? I think we digress.
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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>jim- just to confirm michael sarno & dar schuster will be there...<br /><br />secret password?
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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>Jim/Barry -<br /><br />Why don't you bring in a band to play for entertainment after dinner ? Why not ? Bring in the Yardbirds !!!
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Posted By: <b>Chris Counts</b><p>Buffalo Springfield ... now we're talking! Those guys were the best ever, in my humble opinion ... I went to a Black Flag concert back in about '79 and I almost got beat up for looking too straight ...
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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>of the hobby there, we feel confident things will move forward. We believe the password will be olly olly oxen free or 'the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog'. <br /><br />Hopefully there will be a conference call number with which we can join in the fray. Please send instructions on how to get the password (secret or otherwise) for the conference call.
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Posted By: <b>ScottIngold</b><p>"Whilst"<br /><br />Where else can we see this used on a daily basis ? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Tom,<br /><br />Not funny--and I left how to get the password.<br /><br />Jim
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Mike,<br /><br />I got both of you guys-thanks.
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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>will email you.....laugh ocassionally.....it'll prolong your life........
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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>On the British punk scene a X-Ray Spex, Buzzcocks, Damned, Fall, old Siouxsie and the Banshees guy.....<br /><br />On the American bent I loved the Avengers, pre-Rollins Black Flag, Husker Du bands....<br /><br />Then there is my favorite Revelation NYC sXe scene with Gorilla Biscuits, Youth of Today, and Side by Side leading the way..<br /><br />Good memories....<br /><br />James
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Yes Chris- Buffalo Springfield was as good as music got. Their album "Buffalo Springfield Again" was one of the highlights of 60's rock.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>Idaho ?....then you punkers can say "my own private Idaho"!<br />"Captain Beyond" is a much better group then all mentioned. <br /><br />Good luck !
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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Gee willikers. I hope that the group includes the guy spending $100 at the National when they define whose hobby it is. Oh - and also includes the various groups on the UES of NYC. You know - everyone. Hobby. Collecting. Pretty simple to me.<br /><br />Sincerely, <br /><br /><br />The left elbow of the hobby, rotting in my little shack.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>The greatest punk rock band of all time.....I saw them when I was 16 years old...sometime in the 1980s. Jodie Foster's Army.<br /><br />JFA<br /><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/k1sS0NfPd7Q"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/k1sS0NfPd7Q" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object><br /><br />And just for Barry<br /><br /><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nQNTQauBJHA"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nQNTQauBJHA" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>getting way off topic guys...<br /><br />looking forward to thursday...<br /><br />should hopefully get some great dialogue going with all of the heavyweights there.<br /><br />MS
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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>OK-Jodie Foster's Army clip is definitely old school......
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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>You guys are forgetting some classic punk bands like Television, Bad Brains, MC5, The Minutemen and countless others I am forgetting.<br /><br />Watch the documentry Punk:Attitude. It's the only show I've ever seen that actually captures what punk was really about in the 70s and 80s.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Television was a great band....Richard Hell wrote some great songs for Matthew Sweet (another of my favorites).
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Tom,<br /><br />I laugh all the time but not when I am insulted--no unsolicited advice either--I don't appreciate it.<br /><br />Jim
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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>You all are really forgetting the greatest punk bands: X, and the Germs. L.A.'s punk scene was the best!<br />JimB
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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>My fav.....Wire, Buzzcocks, DK, Jam, Undertones, Fall, Killing Joke, Soft Boys, Sonic Youth, Butthole Surfers, X, Stranglers, Gang of 4, Joy Division. Saw many of them in the early/mid 80's here in SF (Chi Chi Club, I-Beam, Old Waldorf, etc.) and across the bay in Berkeley (Berkeley Square). <br /><br />PS blame David, he started it <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Sigh...I forgot how old I am there for a minute seeing Steven Stills and Neil Young back in the day. Thanks for the clip.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Sonic Youth...another favorite of mine.<br /><br /><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/2T4BsnXmJaI"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2T4BsnXmJaI" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object><br /><br />I loved Husker Du and thought that Bob Mould had some great stuff with Sugar (File Under Easy Listening is one of the great albums of the 90s)...I listened to just about anything that you couldn't find on mainstream radio in my younger days...now I tend to listen to talk radio only because the student radio station at the U of Nebraska plays hip hop and other stuff I don't listen to. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>Did someone mention a meeting in Idaho? Sweet. I'll see if the Smurf Turf at Boise State can be rented out. It might not be that private though. <br /><br />I cant believe you guys are talking best old school punk bands and not a single person has mentioned Bad Religion or NoFx (1980's old, the 70's were before my time). If anyone wants to check out the best punk band of the 1990's, you have to get some Strung Out CD's. Their second album, Suburban Teenage Wastleland Blues, is amazing.<br /><br />After the NY meeting, let me know when the hobby has been saved from certain destruction.<br /><br />Rhys
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Posted By: <b>Ricky Y</b><p>Two favorite topics morphed into one...baseball card hobby and punk rock... wow I saw Jello at the old Mabuhay Gardens in SF ... I think I'll slam dance and go flip some cards now... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Ricky
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>There's a whole lot more punkers here than I would have guessed.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Bob Mould's solo stuff beats Sugar hands down in my opinion. <br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>DJ</b><p>DJ's Top Fifteen Punk List (Proto-punk, new wave, secondary, post punk...)<br />1) The Ramones 2) Black Flag 3) Dead Kennedys 4) Television 5) The Clash<br />6) X 7) The Stooges 8) MC5 9) The Pixies 10) Husker Du 11) Sex Pistols<br />12) Minor Threat 13) Plasmatics 14) Joy Division 15) The Damned <br /><br />DJ<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Jeff, are you related to Alan Lichtman the presidential historian I see on MSNBC all the time?<br /><br />As for Mould's solo stuff I think it's on par with Sugar, but F.U.E.L is one of my top 10 albums of all time.
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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Fear<br />Crass<br />Subhumans<br />Rudimentary Peni<br />The Cramps<br />D.O.A.<br />The Plasmatics<br /><br />Just wanted to take advantage of the only opportunity I'll ever have to mention those bands on this board. <br /><br />-Ryan
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I still have Bad Music for Bad People by the Cramps on vinyl.
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Posted By: <b>BcD</b><p>by Country Joe MacDonald Barry?<br /><br />or maybe:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DspcTcVslsI" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DspcTcVslsI</a><br /><br /><br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>They may been mentioned already but listening to them was about as anti-social as an 8th grader could get...the Dead Milkmen and the Meatmen.<br /><br />Can't believe I forgot the Butthole Surfers, they sold out a little at the end.
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Dan Bretta- you are my hero! Thank you so much for that clip- my wife and I just watched it and we were in awe. What memories come flooding back from 40 years ago! (I wish I knew how to use youtube- I'm a computer idiot).<br /><br />And BcD- what a wonderful song that is- it was a theme from the film "Monterey Pop", the best movie to ever document the music and spirit of the 60's. But there are no pictures of Scott MacKenzie in it, and I think that is the first time I saw him.<br /><br />What a treat to wake up to those two great songs! Thanks guys.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Dan, no relation to Alan.<br /><br />As for the Cramps -- I have that album on cassette!<br /><br />And how can anyone put the Clash on a list and not put them first?????
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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>I'll put The Clash on my list, but not ahead of The Ramones:<br /><br />Off the top of my head, I'm sure I'm missing somebody important:<br /><br />1) The Ramones<br />2) The Clash<br />3) Sex Pistols<br />4) Black Flag<br />5) Dead Kennedys<br />6) Sonic Youth<br />7) Husker Du<br />8) Bad Brains<br />9) Patty Smith<br />10) The Damned<br />11) Buzzcocks<br />12) Soft Boys<br />13) Replacements (nothing after 1987)<br />14) Plasmatics<br />15) The Misfits<br />16) Television<br />17) X<br />18) MC5<br />19) The Stooges<br />20) The Circle Jerks<br /><br />With a nod and a wave to the Velvet Underground, the New York Dolls and The Who.<br /><br />After the meeting can we all go to CBs and protest?<br /><br />-Al
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I agree- the Clash is one of the most important bands in rock history. RIP Joe Strummer.
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Posted By: <b>Bruce</b><p>Sorry to keep this off topic, but its good to see some old punkers like myself. I agree that the Clash is #1. Fortunately, I was able to see them a few times before Mick Jones left. Best shows I ever saw. Though here in DC in the early 80's we were admittedly a bit snobby about our local bands like Minor Threat, Scream, Bad Brains etc..
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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Come on, guys. How can you put The Clash in front of The Ramones?<br /><br />That's like putting Willie Mays ahead of Babe Ruth! Mays was great, great, great, but the Babe changed the whole game!<br /><br />-Al
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Al- let's analyze:<br /><br />Ramones<br />1) I Want to be Sedated<br />2) Rock n Roll High School<br /><br />The Clash<br />1) London Calling<br />2) Rock the Casbah<br /><br />Four great songs...edge goes to the Clash. Besides, not much longevity in the Ramones- they are just about all dead. Didn't they take their vitamins and eat their green vegetables?
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Posted By: <b>Bruce MacPherson</b><p>Barry, no offense, but IMO you probably picked two of the worst Ramones songs they recorded. <br /><br />Al, the Ramones are in the top two, but I would liken it to Cobb/Ruth. Cobb amazed everyone with his style of play, until Ruth came along with a different, more powerful style. BTW, Johnny Ramone used to hang out in the audience before shows. He was a very nice guy to talk to. I dont think you could say that about any Clash members.
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Posted By: <b>judson hamlin</b><p>Barry- One summer when we were at Wildwood Crest, the Ramones were at Art Stock's Playpen and ate at the same place we did. There were no vegetables harmed in the dinner that I saw.<br />And yes, the Clash wins the head to head. Plus they get bonus points for Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros (I miss Wetlands) and Mick Jones' work with Big Audio Dynamite.<br />
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I don't know too many other of their songs, but "sedated" is great- which ones do you like better? (ever see the Ramones appearance on an episode of "The Simpsons" singing Happy Birthday to Mr. Burns- it was a riot).
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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Hi Barry:<br /><br />First of all, punk rock guys are SUPPOSED to be dead. One, two albums, that's it.<br /><br />This is not Crosby, Stills and Nash, making crappier and crappier albums until they're in their 80s. This is PUNK ROCK, man! These guys are supposed to make one, two records, and then have some cataclysmic event that causes them to stop making records.<br /><br />And most of the dead guys died BECAUSE they took their "vitamins". And what could be more punk than that?<br /><br />I give big props to The Clash. Love 'em. But The Ramones made it all possible.<br /><br />Plus, Joey Ramone was uglier than all the guys in The Clash combined.<br /><br />-Al
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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>From a music encyopedia:<br /><br />"From their earliest days as a band, the Clash stood apart from their punk peers with their musicianship, as well as their lyrics; the passionate, left wing political idealism in the lyrics of frontmen Joe Strummer and Mick Jones contrasted with the anarchic nihilism of the Sex Pistols and the basic simplicity of the Ramones. Although they were a major success in the UK from the release of their first album in 1977, they did not become popular in the US until 1980."<br /><br /><br />I'm definately going to see some live music while I am in Cleveland at the National. Maybe even some punk rock.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>judson hamlin</b><p>There are some great clips (musically) of the Clash at the Capitol Theatre in Passaic in 1980- The video isn't 1st rate, but just listen. Search "Clash Capitol"
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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Boy, I forgot all about the Capitol Theater. <br /><br />-Al
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Al- I know, punkers should die young. Live fast, play hard. And I know the "vitamins" they took. And CSN&Y, as well as the Stones, should pack it in. Enough is enough. I'd rather remember them when they were young. That is one advantage Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin had. We only knew them in their prime.<br /> And the Ramones were trailblazers, no doubt about it.
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Posted By: <b>judson hamlin</b><p>was a great venue. Oddest concert I saw there (and one of the best) was an MTV sponsored show with Run-DMC, 24 Karat Soul (an a cappella group) and the headliners, Lou Reed and Jim Carroll. You can imagine the mix in the crowd- as I said- odd.
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Posted By: <b>Griffin's</b><p><<<<Watch the documentry Punk:Attitude. It's the only show I've ever seen that actually captures what punk was really about in the 70s and 80s.>>><br /><br />Jay- You didn't like The Decline of Western Civilization?
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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>I'll take Never Mind the Bollocks any day over anything the Ramones or Clash put out. I really like the Clash, but I can't hardly listen to the Ramones. <br /><br />RIP Sid & Nancy
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Posted By: <b>Neal Kane</b><p>Ramones and the Clash as well ...
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Posted By: <b>Joe Tocco</b><p>Ranked by whose music I actually like to listen to, not by importance:<br />1. Joy Division<br />2. Bad Religion<br />3. Ramones<br />4. Clash<br /><br />All were influential in their own way, but amongst punk nothing gives me goosebumps like Joy Division's "Atmosphere," and nothing rocks quite like Bad Religion's entire "Generator" album.<br /><br />Joe
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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>If anyone here ever saw the MC 5 live, you'd not even mention any other punk bands. The toughest, the loudest, and done with soul. And unlike many others mentioned here, they could actually play..Detroits finest......the MC 5. Long may they live. In an interview, even Iggy said they were the greatest ever. "kick out the jams &#_)!*(> !!!!<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Chris Counts</b><p>I saw the Clash the last time they performed. They literally broke up on stage after Joe and Mick went on an anti-Ronald Reagan rant. It was at a big festival out in the California desert, and the crowd was more metal heads than anything (they were there to see Van Halen, I think). The fans didn't appreciate their politics and pretty much rioted ... it was the craziest thing I ever saw ...
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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>I love Joy Division, too, but I hardly think they qualify as punk -- they were the beginning of New Wave, even if they were inspired by seeing the Sex Pistols live. And New Order absolutely rule... <br /><br />If you like Joy Division, you should know that Anton Corbijn (DM and U2 photographer) is putting the finishing touches on his movie "Control" about the life/death of Ian Curtis. And, of course, there's 24 Hour Party people, which is also a must see movie about JD.
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Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p>Was a big time baseball card collector, when I was in college in the late 70's-early 80's; I used to see him at all the major NY area shows.<br /><br />Rich
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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>No one's mentioned Fugazi?<br /><br />I have albums of a lot of the stuff mentioned, but I listen to the Clash and Social Distortion most of all. And nobody's mentioned that Blondie came out of the NYC punk scene. Punk contains multitudes. <br /><br />--Chad
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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Fugazi! Blondie! Talking Heads!<br /><br />Three big ones I forgot. That's what happens when you go off the top of your head. <br /><br />Somehow I don't think this is what Jim intended with this thread. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Sorry, Jim. I'll be better at the meeting, I promise. I'll only talk about jazz.<br /><br />-Al
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Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p>that there is more interest in Punk rock than solving the hobbies greatest mysteries. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Perhaps the meetings theme should be changed for greater participation.
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Three Presidents Coming to Dinner on Thursday
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Ok, I'm going to say this one last time and please take this as gospel because it is 100 percent accurate: <br /><br />The Clash is first on any of these lists, plain and simple. Yes, the Ramones came before...but if you go by that then you'd have to include the Velvet Underground which was probably the most influential band not just in the area of Punk but Metal as well (though the Ramones certainly started the scene in NYC). Indeed, the Velvet Underground and Nico might be the greatest album of all time (I named a dog Nico in reverence). As luck will have it, I had a friend who was close with Laurie Anderson and arranged a dinner for me with Lou and Laurie in NYC a few years back. I'm not ashamed to say that it was one of the greatest nights of my life. To be able to ask Lou question after question about lyrics, albums, concerts, artists was to die for. He was completely open, completely cool and answered every single sycophantic question I could muster. Example: favorite solo album: Magic and Loss. We ended the night smoking cigars and Lou showed me how to properly dump my ashes. As for the Clash, as I was about to pick the jury on the biggest case of my life I sat in court with Guns of Brixton blasting in my ears. I swear I had tears in my eyes after listening to that song and getting ready for battle. Barry, Combat Rock, which contains "Rock the Casbah" was, incidentally, the end of the Clash as we know it. While there were some great commercial songs on that album you could see that the band was being ripped apart by the Jones-Strummer artistic differences. Also, one Clash footnote: Elvis Costello wrote "Watching the Detectives" after listening to the Clash's first album for 24 hours straight.<br /><br />
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Three Presidents Coming to Dinner on Thursday
Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p>Now all we need is a couple of things<br /><br />1) A discussion of the best restaurant in NY to discuss the punk scene and have a nice dinner. I'll take any and all suggestions<br /><br />2) How many of us would let our kids (if we have them) listen to a similar message today <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Rich<br />
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