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Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-BASEBALL-CDV-TOBACCO-AD-CARD-CLEVELAND-FW-BOYD_W0QQitemZ250071519291QQihZ015QQcategoryZ86839 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-BASEBALL-CDV-TOBACCO-AD-CARD-CLEVELAND-FW-BOYD_W0QQitemZ250071519291QQihZ015QQcategoryZ86839 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>

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Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p>So I thought I would ask to see...............

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p><img src="http://www.luckeycards.com/personaljustso.jpg"><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1168364036.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>another auction outed...very quickly I might add...from your friends at net54.<br /><br />pete in m n

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>This one wasn't going to get by anyone as it was listed in the correct category. I do the pre-1900 category search every single day and I'm sure most everyone else here does as well.

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>it's the principle dammit.<br /><br />pete in mn

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Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p>Not much gets by..........

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>when an auction is in the correct category...you have no chance of it slipping through the cracks on here. if it was in a weird section and you want it badly enough keep it to yourself and take a chance on the item in question at a low price

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>The real question here is WILL IT END EARLY???

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>The next question - will it turn into a Frankenstein card?

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>It is in the proper category so it will be seen by most that care about this stuff. Bidding is already taking off so hopefully the seller figures out that it will be worth their time to let the auction run it's course.

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>daryle; You may not know of this practice; It is board courtesy to refrain from posting active auctions until the hammer drops. After that, ask away. Thankyou

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Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p>Bid but then the riot started. Do you really think this card would actually gotten by you guys or any other collector that is familiar with these cards? Anyway, sorry that I breathed and asked a simple, not intended to start a riot question. I only asked beacuse as I said, I knew what the card probably was before I ever clicked on it after I read the "Cleveland" and the "Boyd" part in the auction title knowing that there was a Boyd in that set, but was unfamiliar with the "look" of the cards, beacuse to me, its looks thin, like newer card stock. I thought this was part of this forum, to ask questions, discuss cards/sets, and to learn something new. Once again, I apologize and will never ask another question, or post information on here regarding an auction (via eBay or anyplace else), even if I have knowledge of it being fake or altered. I will have no hard feelings to anyone who responded to me for mentioning this auction. I came to this forum to make friends and to learn more about vintage cards, even though I've been collecting for 25 years, just not vintage for the entire 25 years. I will be on here daily and hope no one holds this against me. As I said, I'm here to make friends and to enjoy my beloved hobby, and to possibly be of help to someone in the future regarding a question about a card, sets, on any information that I may have knowledge of. Gonna forget this ever happened. Good luck to those who bid...........................

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Posted By: <b>Harry Wallace (HW)</b><p>Looks real to me.

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>Daryle<br /><br />It isn't a matter of you asking questions or posting. It is forum etiquette on every board I have ever been on to not post a live auction.<br /><br />Say you find a hidden auction and someone post is. All of a sudden a card that was getting no bids goes through the roof. As a result instead of you maybe getting a nice card cheap you either end up paying through the nose for it or not getting it at all.<br /><br />It isn't about not asking questions or asking about auctions but you should do it after the auction ends.<br /><br />If you are really that worried about it being a fake card, you can either take a chance, or contact someone privately that could help you.<br /><br />It would be a shame to not ask questions and contribute to a board just because of this. <br /><br />If you haven't been on a forum there is a learning curve, just like anything else. Hopefully now you know better and will continue to ask questions and post. <br /><br />I am sure there is no disrespect or bad blood but it is a common courtesy thing.<br /><br />Good Luck<br /><br />James Gallo<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>I wouldn't take exception to what anyone has said here. There are people here that do get touchy about auctions being brought up before they are over. To me is a bit anal....there isn't a person on here who is not aware of ebay...and not aware of the one section of ebay pertaining to pre-1930 cards. The only time I personally would ever have a problem with it is when someone would post an auction that they are running as the seller...that I'd have a problem with. But the card is going to go for what it's worth period....not like it was going to slip through the cracks and go for $70. By the way....many people on here myself included have posted a real/fake post.....just because this one turned out to be real some people take offense? Come on....

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>This auction had no chance of staying hidden...it wasn't in the pottery and china section....lot of people post auctions LIVE about authenticity..just because this one is authentic isn't a reason to make daryle feel like he cant post here....

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>At no point in time did I say Daryle couldn't post here, quite the opposite all I did was explain the thought behind why people were "mad" and I encourged him to contiune to post.<br /><br />I think you misread what I wrote.<br /><br />Daryle is free to post away and I encourage him to do so.<br /><br />All I did was explain the "issue" in case he wasn't aware of it.<br /><br /><br />James G<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I'm not trying to come off as a jerk. I just think should be black or white on this...not gray. Folks got mad because the thread was made...and it was completetly a real/fake thread. I dont think Daryle had an idea if it was real or not. There is quite often people posting live auctions on here and asking is this fake or does that look authentic. And most often the items in fact are fake so nobody gets mad. It usually turns into "chalk another one up for the good guys". This wasn't any different other than the fact it was an authentic piece. Had it been fake everyone would have been fine with it...just seems like a double standard. If someone is going to get lectured for asking if I live item is real, then nobody should post any real/fake subjects on any live auctions period.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>We have hashed almost every conceivable situation out on this darn board, this one included. There are no rules, and will be no rules, on this kind of issue. Experience will be the guiding force.....take care<br /><br />edited to add..."ain't no big deal, Darryl, trust me"

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>The rule not to "out" auctions is really just a gentleman's agreement, and perhaps Daryle wasn't aware of it. He should continue to post, but hopefully will be more discreet in the future. However, I will add there is absolutely no doubt the card is real, but I guess he just didn't realize it. Don't take it so hard Daryle, keep posting.

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p><font color=blue>Real or fake . . . ?</font><br /><br /><img src="http://www.mongiusti.it/download/Sfondi%20desktop/carolina_gynning.jpg"><br /><br />DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Does it matter?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Fake..fake..fake..fake (you know the reference)

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>Jerry: What about the breathing, the panting, the moaning, the screaming?<br /><br /><br />Maybe you don't have to be so funny. I mean, would it kill you not to be so funny all the time? That's all I'm asking. <br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Steve- I think you are as big a Seinfeld addict as I am.

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>Add me to the list of addicts. I may miss an auction, but a Seinfeld reference never gets by me. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Mickey, I'm sorry. Mickey. It was eating me up inside!!<br><br>In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>He gave Joe Pepitone a little chin music because he was crowding the plate! (Kramer's whole life is a fantasy camp)

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Okay Seinfeld fans, let's see how good you are: On what date did Newman and Kramer go to the Mets game where Keith Hernandez's error led to a five run inning and cost the Mets the game? (I despise Keith Hernandez!)

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Posted By: <b>Rich Jacobs</b><p>June 14, 1987.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Excellent Rich. I think we could get a Seinfeld chatboard going. I actually went on to one for a few days, and they are maniacs. Four letter words fly with reckless abandon, and everyone is really cynical. They pretend to hate all the shows but they love to talk about them incessantly.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Barry,<br /> We don't have many threads over 30 post that escape some type of line from Seinfeld.... I'm watching a classic right now, Tv Guide anyone? No Indian giver.....<br /><br /> Be well Brian<br /><br /><br /><br />Board 54 Vintage cards and Seinfeld

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I was just watching it too! George serves prune juice to his date, and his parents' house smells like kasha.

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>ties in to the Bro Manzeere! Bro! Manzeere!

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Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p>and will continue to be here. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>YO YO MA<br><br>In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Although I have never outed an auction here, out of respect for those who object, I think the no-outing code is a bunch of crap.

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>In this case the auction wasn't really "outed". It was in the correct categorey. Anyone that is a vintage card junkie would have easily found it. I'm kind of mixed on "outing" a card. Of course I wouldn't want a neat card that is buried in the incorrect categorey outed if I was one of few that knew about it...<br /><br />I've found a few items this way but typically, there's always a few others that stumble on to these little gems.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>YO YO MA- Kramer's outburst after getting kicked in the head by Crazy Joe Davola (not to mention shaving only half his face and putting his pants on wrong) <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>is at Joe Mayo's party when Elaine introduces David Putty, who is wearing a orangy looking fur coat.......<br /><br />"I believe you know Dr. Zeus...."<br /><br />One of my all time favorite lines.......<br /><br />I have converted my first 3 seasons of Seinfeld to MPEG4 and put them on my IPOD. I have to work on 4-7.......<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p><br />"I've never been the 'bad boy"...<br /><br />"Is that your orthopedic back pillow?.. Is this your Fibercon"?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>From the Little Kicks episode, it's George to the blonde haired girl who he met at Elaine's office party and to whom he is trying to impress as being a tough guy.<br /><br />Ovaltine-why do they call it Ovaltine? The jar is round, the mug is round, why don't they call it Roundtine?...that's gold Jerry, gold!

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>Yep, From the mentoring episode.<br /><br />my turn, my turn...<br /><br /><br />Seemingly. Seemingly, to the untrained eye, I can fully understand how you got that impression. What looked like pushing...what looked like knocking down...was a safety precaution! In a fire, you stay close to the ground, am I right?.. Ahh huh! And when I ran out that door, I was not leaving anyone behind! Oh, quite the contrary! I risked MY life making sure that exit was clear. Any other questions?<br /><br />Firefighters response, _________________________________? <br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>How do you live with yourself?<br />It's not easy.<br /><br />Will you show me these stooges?<br />Yes, I will show you these stooges.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Maybe a dingo ate your baby...

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>One of my all-time favorite lines, delivered by Elaine at that awful party in Long Island.<br /><br />Who was the first of Jerry's endless stream of girlfriends to walk out on him?

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>Gina, she was sexy. 'You're not a man'. Jerry, 'Then explain all those ties and sportcoats in my closet'<br /><br /><br />Priest guy; Is there one aspect of the faith that you find particularly <br /><br />attractive?<br /><br />George replies:______________.<br /><br /><br /><br />Don't you work? <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br />I will continue later, gotta drive my son to meet the Fung Wah. Goin back to NYU <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />BTW, Does Kenny Kramer still do the reality bus tour over by Hell's Kitchen?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>George likes the hats. It gives one that pious look you want out of a religion.<br /><br />I work at home, and have some down time for sure. Incidentally, the episode with Gina was notable as it was the debut of Wayne Knight as Newman (is that a Drake's Coffee cake?).<br /><br />I think Kenny Kramer still does. His name came up in the news after Michael Richards's recent meltdown.

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Posted By: <b>FrankSutton</b><p>Anyone can <u>take</u> a reservation. The <u>holding</u> is the most important part.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>The reservation scene is one of my two favorite sketches in the show's history. The best one: George lying face down on the floor in his underwear, yelling "say Vandelay Industries", and Jerry walking in, surveying the situation, and saying "and you want to be my latex salesman." That's my number one (and my wife concurs).

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>High my name is George, I'm unemployed and I live with my parents.<br><br>In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>Vandelay!!! Vandelay industries!!!<br /><br />He's in the export business, but now wants to get into the import business.<br />What does he export? <br />Potato chips.<br><br>In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>Are you saying there is not one house for rent in Tuscany, not in all of Tuscany?<br /><br /><br />You a bad man, Jerry. Very bad man!!<br><br>In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Response to "I live with my parents" is "Hi, I'm Victoria"<br /><br />He exports potato chips, and imports wooden matches (and that's worth a punch in the face).<br /><br />It's the Maestro (Bob Cobb, but don't call him that) who tells Jerry there are no vacancies in Tuscany.<br /><br />Nobody answered my trivia question, so: the first to walk out on Jerry was the Dockers Girl. When she found out that Jerry told both George and Kramer that she liked the Dockers commercial, she bolted. It was the beginning of an endless procession of bad relationships for Jerry.<br /><br />edited to add- Jerry's best line to Babu Bhatt- Babu, I don't often do this, but could you take back the shrimp- it's a bit stringy.

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>Okay. I was thinking the blonde girl panties episode. You win that one.<br /><br /><br />George's girlfriend's name from this episode;<br />'Were having some problems with Barry... Seems he's curtailed his autoerotic activities.'

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>That's a tough one. I know she can't hear well in one ear, so George has to twice tell her he loves her. And Barry the monkey spits at Kramer. But I don't know her name. I think I could look it up, but that's cheating.<br /><br />In what episode does George Stephanopoulous's (sp) wife appear in?

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>Sienna, George is dating a crayon.<br /><br />I don't know the stephanopolis wife episode, but take a look at this old SNL clip.<br /><br /> <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7410847819313895002&q=seinfeld" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7410847819313895002&q=seinfeld</a>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Thanks for that link. Actually, I've seen it several times before. I'm an SNL freak too. Anyway, George Steph. is married to Alexandra Wentworth, who was Schoompie in the Soup Nazi episode. She was also a regular on "In Living Color." And Sienna (sp), now I remember. That was a toughie.

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>Ahh schmoopie sheila. She wasn't one of Jerry's typical hi-quality lookers. What was George's pet name for Susan?<br /><br />5 cups chopped Porcine mushrooms, <br />1/2 cup of olive oil, <br />3 pounds celery.<br /><br />Recipe for____________?<br /><br /><br />Seinfeld runs three times a night here, but the missus allows me to watch one episode only. Any more and she gets annoyed as I often speak the next lines.<br /><br />I just hope the VBC membership can show more restraint.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Yipes. These are getting tougher. I can picture George all over Susan at the coffee shop (I see you are both sitting on the same side, that seems a little odd) but what did he call her? And that recipe...hmmm, all I can picture is Newman smelling his soup and yelling:...mulligatawny!!<br /><br />Elaine has a lot of soup experience, having fed her sick boyfriend yankee bean soup.<br /><br />Seinfeld is on here three times a day in the early evening, and once late which I don't watch. My wife gave up on my TV addiction, so I have free rein (Simpsons and Curb Your Enthusiasm are other favorites).

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>One last tidbit and I'm taking a break;<br /><br />Remember George's girlfriend who looks exactly like Jerry, and George has all these issues to deal with? The actress is Tracy Nelson, daughter of Rick Nelson and granddaughter of Ozzie and Harriet.

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>Steve,<br />That's my receipe for Wild mushroom!<br /><br />I like the bizaro episode, when Kramer gets the job at Brandt and Leland. <br /><br />The whole bit about Kramer going to work, and being the "corporate guy." <br /><br />Kramer: C'mon buddy, you know this is my busy time of the year.<br />Jerry: It's your third day.<br /><br /><br />Also from that episode,<br />Jerry: Kramer, what's in the briefcase?<br /><br />Kramer: ___________<br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>My lunch (or was it crackers?).

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>Crackers!! <br /><br />What do you do down there Kramer? <br />TCB. Yeah, takin' care of business.<br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>*Kramer to Elaine, 'No no see, you two have got to work on trust... Then and only then, can there be a fair exchange of sex and discounts.'<br /><br />Who was the dress Designer in this episode?<br /><br />*Jiffy Park episode<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Completely stumped. Don't even recognize the line!

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>Was it Nicole Miller? When Kramer gets the Joseph coat, and at the end gets arrested and cries, "I'm not a pimp!"<br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>Josh you nailed it. don't leave us hangin though. post another

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>What was the name of the song Elaine guessed to win Mr. Pitt a spot in the Thanksgiving Parade holding Woody Woodpecker?<br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>LOVE Curb Your Enthusiasm.........<br />Took a couple years to really get into it but the last 3-4 season have really been superb. My favorite from last year was the Japanese Kamikaze episode.....now THAT was funny.....<br /><br />There'll never be another Seinfeld.....the 'REALITY' tv show has de-throned the sitcom as the show of choice....<br />

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>Next stop pottersville!.. good one.<br /><br />That same episode, at the party. Who's teeth marks were in that pencil?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>It was Jon Voight's teethmarks.<br /> <br />Yes, I'm a Curb Your Enthusiasm junkie too. Watch tonight's episode, "The Wire", if you get HBO comedy. It is one of the best ones. And "Kamikaze Bingo" was funny, with Teriyaki Chicken Boy.

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Posted By: <b>Chris Bland</b><p>The teeth marks belong to John Voight the dentist, not Jon Voight the actor, much to George's consternation...

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>The missus likes CYE, too intellectual for my liking. Don't watch too much TV since the Sein-off. Though I'm getting to like The Office and Steve Carell's non-pc behavior. Dwight K Shrute may be my substitute Costanza. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>Steve,<br />Great way to describe Dwight. I don't think he really will quit for good, do you? <br /><br />I'm a huge Curb fan as well, love the plot with the resturante, and the cook who was the "survivor."<br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Yes, but Jon Voight the actor bit Kramer, so they had a fresh set of teethmarks for comparison purposes...I've always been amazed by the writing in the show, which of course was what made it so great. That someone could write a sitcom about teethmarks, and make it funny, is really an art. And nobody does it better than Larry David. I think he is simply the great genius comedy writer of alltime (the Babe Ruth of sitcoms).

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Posted By: <b>Chris Bland</b><p>Yep you are right Barry - Jon Voight did leave bite marks in Kramer, but technically, the bite marks in the pencil belonged to John Voight the dentist. Jerry discovered the pencil and pointed out the true previous owner of the car to George upon discovering the chewed on pencil in the glove compartment. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>Kramer walks in to Jerry's apt in his typical manner and says, "Hey Jerry, check out this e90-1 Peaches Graham card I just found in the trash."<br /><br />Cheesh guys, I love seinfeld as well, but you guys should be comitted!<br /><br />pete in mn

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Peter- that's the most intelligent thing anyone has said on this thread.<br /><br />What movie did Elaine want to see instead of "The English Patient"?

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>Sack Lunch!!<br /><br /><br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!