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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I will start with my two.....guaranteed not to be soaked....bathed....or showered.<br />Hopefully, we can get back on track with some plain old "dry" Tobacco cards.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/broadleafs.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Ed McCollum</b><p>but Photobucket and I seem not to be getting along. I've got a Casey with 350 Series and an O'Leary with a 460. Sorry, Art, it's still not for sale.

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Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>here are two, and the Lennox is on ebay right now! I also have a snodgrass and dunn....<br /><br /><img src="http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/trobba/mail-4.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>i have a vg common (350 series) PSA 3 (will double check who the player is tonight)...<br /><br />anyone have a 460 they would like to sell or trade?<br /><br />MS

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Posted By: <b>Art M.</b><p>Here are a few of my T206 Detroit players with Broad Leaf backs:<br /><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/rebelsart2000/detbl350.jpg"><br /><br />Unable to attend team photo today - Stanage, Summers.<br />Being held hostage in Omaha - O'Leary.

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Posted By: <b>Travis Anderson</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1165879311.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1165879322.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Sean</b><p>Here is my new guy...<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1165879545.JPG"> <br /><br />Sean BH

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>I have a jack hayden Broadleaf 350.<br />I am waiting for Barry Sloate to put the 'picture post'on here for me. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />barry

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>my BL 350 is fred beck, PSA 3

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Posted By: <b>Ray Piskadlo</b><p>My newest Broad Leaf (you can just make out the miscut on the back as well):<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1165892072.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1165892135.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>There was a thread about the highest graded drum back, whats the highest graded bl 460 back you've seen?

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>as i mentioned in the reading show post...<br /><br />a very nice dealer had a cy young, clove sgc 5.5 & a walter johnson, chest sgc 5...my eyes jumped out of my head...both were the cleanest BL 460s i have ever seen...

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p>SGC 70<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1165899078.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1165899170.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>...i'm confused...are these yours Brian? these were the exact ones that this dealer had at reading...they were slabbed SGC 5.5 & 5...

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Posted By: <b>NetJr</b><p>Sorry I don't know all the ins and outs of posting images here; but here are the links to the broadleafs we have in our collection at cardtarget.com:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=1049452954" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=1049452954</a><br />1909-11 T206 Christy Mathewson (Broadleaf 460)<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=2100007530" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=2100007530</a><br />1909-11 T206 Danny Murphy (Broadleaf 460)<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=1391550096" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=1391550096</a><br />1909-11 T206 Gabby Street (Broadleaf 460)<br /><br />And our set of 36 different T206 Backs which includes a 460 and 350<br /><a href="http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=1753677064" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/pm_details.cgi?productID=1753677064</a><br />

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Posted By: <b>Mark Tylicki</b><p><a href="http://www.rustywilly.com/largecards/BeckleyJake.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.rustywilly.com/largecards/BeckleyJake.htm</a><br><br>------------------------------<br />MY COLLECTION: <a href="http://www.rustywilly.com/MYCOLLECTION.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.rustywilly.com/MYCOLLECTION.htm</a>

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Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/t206backchecklist/websize/arrelanes.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/t206backchecklist/websize/arrelanesback.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/t206backchecklist/websize/strang.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/t206backchecklist/websize/strangback.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/t206backchecklist/websize/speaker.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/t206backchecklist/websize/speakerback.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/t206backchecklist/websize/sey.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/t206backchecklist/websize/sey2.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p> Hi Michael.<br /> No the cards aren't mine, but they were offered to a friend before they were holdered, and he sent me the scans. I will say that the Johnson was offered in the Mastro auction in Dec of 2005, and sold for about 5500.00 which was an absolute steal!!! Had I not already spent about 25,000 that month, I would have bid heavily. <br /> There is a story behind the cards, but I believe I will let my friend and fellow board member fill in the blanks.<br /><br /> To my knowledge there are several more high grade 460's around including the small find made by former board member James Verrill: Here is the list I have:<br />Mordecai Brown SGC 60 <br />Charles O'leary SGC 60 Hands on knee<br />Joss VG/EX<br /> The rest are lower grade with a few 3's and 4's, with O'leary, Reulbach, and Joss showing up multiple times. I have heard that a nice Dark Cap Matty is floating around, but don't have a scan.<br /><br />I will post scans of my 10-12 Broadleaf 350's later, as I am out of 460's<br /><br /><br /> Be well Brian<br /><br />PS Anyone know where James went too.......... <br />

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>This Joss came from another board member who got it from James Verrillhttp://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1165935928.JPG <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1165935928.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> Didn't have time to scan, but here is my list of Broad Leaf's:<br /><br />Abstein<br />Arndt<br />Bresnahan (2)<br />Casey<br />Chappelle<br />Kruger<br />Malarkey<br />Mitchell<br />Murray bat<br />Myers bat<br />O'Brien<br />Paskert<br />Titus<br />

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Posted By: <b>Nathan</b><p>Come on, who has the Dummy Taylor broadleaf? Reveal yourself! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Scans not needed, Brian W....your word is as good as "gold".<br /><br />Between several T206 surveys and the cards shown on this Thread (so far), I can account for 75<br /> different T206's in the set with Broad Leaf 350 backs....and, I'm sure there are more.<br /><br />Also, an interesting pattern appears.......if you correlate these Broad Leaf 350's to the previously<br /> posted "Sovereign 350 - No Print" list of 60 cards, nearly 1/2 of these No Prints (26) are subjects<br /> that apparently the T206 planners decided instead to print with BL 350 backs.<br /><br />And, this seems plausible, as Sovereign & Broad Leaf were from the same Factory #25, 2nd Dist. VA<br /><br />So, come on guys....stop hiding your BL 350 cards....let's see if we can attain at least 100 different ones ?<br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Judson Hamlin</b><p>My 460 is a Snodgrass and the 350s include Huggins, Blackburne, Freeman, McGinley & Mullen (port).<br /><br />Good huntin'

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks Judd<br /><br />That raises the Broad Leaf 350 tally to 77 different T206's.<br /><br />I will list all 77 (or more) when time permits.<br /><br />Ted Z

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> Check your list of missing Sovereigns againist known Broad Leaf's, Carolina Brights, and Tolstoi's and they begin to appear. And the add American Beauty's and they are all accounted for.<br /><br />I will post my numbers on each when I have a chance, but out of the 68 missing SOV'S from your original list 47 have been confirmed with Broad leaf backs. I'll fill in the other data later.<br /><br /> Something to think about Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BRIAN WEISNER.....you are a WISE man....I look forward to your analysis.<br /><br />I have compared my SOVEREIGN "No-Print" list with the availability of American Beauty backs,<br />but I have not done a comparison with TOLSTOI, or your favorite....CAROLINA BRIGHTS.<br /><br />I'll again study the surveys for these 2 backs and I will include POLAR BEAR, also.<br /><br />One more BROAD LEAF 350 from my collection.....<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/amcginley.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Drew</b><p>Hi Ted<br />I have two broadleaf 350 cards.<br />Burchell and Downs.<br /><br><br>Drew

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>THANKS guys....for all your pix and inputs on your BROAD LEAF 350 cards....let's continue<br /> to get more.<br /><br />To date total = 77.....interestingly, the majority of Subjects are Minor Leaguers and there<br />are only 5 - HOFers....Beckley, Bresnahan, Huggins, Joss, and Speaker. <br /><br />Abstein<br />Adkins<br />Arellanes<br />Arndt<br />Barry..A's<br />Beck<br />Beckley<br />Blackburne<br />Bliss<br />Brain<br />Bresnahan (bat)<br />Burchell<br />Burke<br />Bush<br />Butler<br />Carrigan<br />Casey<br />Chappelle<br />Charles<br />Clancy<br />Delehanty..Louisv<br />Dineen<br />Donovan..throw<br />Downs<br />Engle<br />Freeman<br />Ganzel<br />Graham..Boston<br />Graham..St Louis<br />Grimshaw<br />Hallman<br />Hartsell<br />Hayden<br />Howell..port<br />Huggins..hds/mouth<br />Davy Jones<br />Joss..pitch<br />Killian..port<br />Kisinger<br />Knabe<br />Kroh<br />Kruger<br />Lennox<br />Maddox<br />Malarkey<br />McBride<br />McGinley<br />McGlynn<br />Mitchell<br />Moran..Chi<br />Mullen (port)<br />Murray (bat)<br />Myers (bat)<br />Nattress<br />Oakes<br />O'Brien<br />O'Neill<br />Paskert<br />Perring<br />Purtell<br />Quillen<br />Rudolph<br />Schreck<br />Sharpe<br />Slagle<br />Snodgrass (bat)<br />Speaker<br />Stanage<br />Starr<br />Strange<br />Sweeney..bat<br />Taylor<br />Titus<br />Willett<br />Wilson<br />Wright<br />Zimmerman <br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>1909 T206 Broadleaf350 Moeller-NJ

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Posted By: <b>Ray Piskadlo</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />A Marquard portrait with a BL 350 back sold on eBay yesterday. That makes 6 HOF's<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Ray Piskadlo

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Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />you neglected to add my Meyers, fielding and Dunn to your list.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> I have seen all of the possible 350 only subjects with Broad Leaf backs except for these:<br /><br />Jack Barry<br />Peter Cassidy<br />Ray Demmitt NY<br />Joe Doyle Hands over<br />Jerry Freeman<br />Fromme<br />Graham Bos<br />Groom<br />Del Howard<br />Huggins Hands at mouth<br />Kleinow NY<br />Mclean<br />Rhoades Right Arm out<br />Rhodes<br />Schlafly<br /><br />Be well Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>ROB<br /><br />Sorry, and thanks for bringing this to my attention.....I did list your Lennox, which was one<br />that was unconfirmed prior to your information.<br /><br />I will update the list with your additional inputs as soon as you to tell me which Dunn ?<br /><br />There are two of them in the 350 Series....Jack and Joe.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Great, another previously unconfirmed BL 350 card.<br /><br />Dan Moeller is on the front of the only DRUM back that I have in my T206 back collection.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> Read my post above, and it will save you a lot of time. I have listed the subjects which HAVE NOT been seen with Broad Leaf 350 backs. Be well Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I indeed read your post.....and, I do understand that these 15 you listed were never printed<br />with BROAD LEAF 350 backs. Therefore, we can expect to find 192 cards from the 350-only<br /> Series with BL 350 backs......do you agree that this number is correct ?<br /><br />I arrived at 192 by subtracting 15 from 207 (the total number of 350-only cards in the set).<br /><br />Anyway, in this Thread we have so far accounted for approx. 1/2 this number of cards.<br /><br />TED Z<br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> No, that's not what I'm saying. I posted the 15 cards that "I" have never seen with Broad Leaf backs, but they may in fact exist. the other 192, if that's the number I have seen and they do exist. So you can narrow your search to those specific cards that haven't been seen yet......<br /><br /> Sorry, for not making it more clear, but my typing is weak at best. (5-9 fingers on a good day.<br /><br /><br /> Be well Brian<br /><br /><br />I'll also try to list the Carolina Brights I know to exist later...

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>UPDATED....list of confirmed....BROAD LEAF 350 cards <br /><br />THANKS guys....for all your pix and inputs on your BROAD LEAF 350 cards....we are about 1/2 the way<br />through a possible 192+ cards with this tough back. <br /><br />To date total = 83.....interestingly, the majority of Subjects are Minor Leaguers and there<br />are only 6 reported HOFers....Beckley, Bresnahan, Huggins, Joss, Marquard, and Speaker. <br /><br />Abstein<br />Adkins<br />Arellanes<br />Arndt<br />Barry..A's<br />Beck<br />Beckley<br />Blackburne<br />Bliss<br />Brain<br />Bresnahan..bat (this card has been reported 4 times)<br />Burchell<br />Burke<br />Bush<br />Butler<br />Carrigan<br />Casey<br />Chappelle<br />Charles<br />Clancy<br />Delehanty..Louisv<br />Dineen<br />Donovan..throw<br />Dorner<br />Downs<br />Dunn..?<br />Engle<br />Freeman<br />Ganzel<br />Graham..Boston<br />Graham..St Louis<br />Grimshaw<br />Hallman<br />Hartsell<br />Hayden<br />Howell..port<br />Huggins..?<br />Davy Jones<br />Joss..pitch<br />Killian..port<br />Kisinger<br />Knabe<br />Kroh<br />Kruger<br />Lennox<br />Maddox<br />Malarkey<br />Marquard..port<br />McBride<br />McGinley<br />McGlynn<br />Miller..Pitt<br />Mitchell<br />Moeller<br />Moran..Chi<br />Mullen..port<br />Murray..bat<br />Myers..bat<br />Myers..fldg<br />Nattress<br />Oakes<br />O'Brien<br />O'Neill<br />Paskert<br />Perring<br />Purtell<br />Quillen<br />Rudolph<br />Schreck<br />Sharpe<br />Slagle<br />Snodgrass..bat<br />Speaker<br />Stanage<br />Starr<br />Strange<br />Sweeney..bat<br />Taylor<br />Titus<br />Willett<br />Wilson<br />Wright<br />Zimmerman <br />

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Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>joe dunn

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Posted By: <b>NetJr</b><p>Just curious if anyone is going to catalog the 460's listed as well as the 350's? Shorter list - should be easier to do.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>NetJr<br /><br />You have a great idea....why not follow it....yourself ?<br /><br />Ted Z

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p>Yes,<br /><br /><br /> I will fill in the known 460 list;<br /><br /><br />Mordecai Brown Chicago (HOF)<br />Al Burch (fielding)<br /><br />Ty Cobb Red Portrait (HOF)<br />Ty Cobb Bat off Shoulder (HOF)<br /><br />Harry Davis (Philadelphia, Davis on front)<br />Patsy Dougherty (arm in air)<br />Tom Downey (batting)<br />Kid Elberfeld (Wash., fielding)<br />Johnny Evers Chicago (yellow sky) (HOF)<br />Walter Johnson Glove at Chest (R) (HOF)<br />Griffith Batting (HOF)<br />Addie Joss Hands at Chest (HOF)<br />Red Kleinow Boston<br />Ed Konetchy (glove near ground)<br />Christy Mathewson Dark Cap (HOF)<br />Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)<br />George Mullin (with bat)<br />Danny Murphy (batting)<br />Charley O'Leary (hands on knees)<br />Ed Reulbach (no glove showing)<br />Nap Rucker (throwing)<br />Germany Schaefer (Washington)<br />Cy Seymour (throwing)<br />Fred Snodgrass (catching)<br />Jake Stahl <br />Gabby Street (catching)<br />Jeff Sweeney (New York)<br />Vic Willis Throwing<br />Cy Young With Glove (HOF)<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BRIAN W<br /><br />We can do both, simultaneously......continue adding to the long list of confirmed BL 350 cards.<br /><br />And, seek out your short list of 15 possible "No-Print" cards.<br />OK, you serious T206 dudes we are really looking to see if anyone has the following cards with<br /> BL 350 backs ?<br /><br />Barry..Milw<br />Cassidy<br />Demmitt..NY<br />Joe Doyle<br />Freeman<br />Fromme<br />Graham..Boston (this one has been reported in Super Set SS)<br />Groom<br />Howard..Chi<br />Huggins..Hands/mouth<br />Kleinow NY<br />McLean<br />Rhoades..Right Arm out<br />Rhodes<br />Schlafly<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jerry</b><p>I own a Barbeau BL350

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Posted By: <b>NetJr</b><p>Ted I would except I am pretty darn clueless when it comes to these cards; and thanks Brian W. I much appreciate learning from someone who knows how to present them. <br /><br />Earlier I read there might be only 40 or so Broadleaf 460's known? Is that true? Its interesting that 28 of them can be listed here. Very intriguing.

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Posted By: <b>Judson Hamlin</b><p>Is listed in both. I have seen McLean and Rhoades w/Broadleaf backs, but none of the others.<br /><br />I can't wait for someone to take on T205's with this detail (Piedmont 42's anyone?)

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Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>I have a Knabe BL350

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi TED,<br /> Sounds good, I just wanted to make sure you and I were on the same page.<br /> Talk to you soon Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>OK, I have received several emails from "readers" with additional BL 350 inputs......<br />and I thank you, guys. I will update the long list sometime in the next day, or two.<br /><br />JUDD<br /><br />I am not sure in your recent post if you are providing inputs on BL 350's or BL 460's ?<br /><br />I can see that this Thread can become confusing, unless we separate these 2 subjects.<br /><br />I think a separate Thread should be started just on BL 460 backs....they are certainly<br />significant enough to devote a specific Thread strictly on them.<br /><br />Also, to respond to your last sentence....I have been considering starting a Thread on<br /> PIEDMONT 460 Fac. 42 NC.<br /><br />T-Rex TED<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>You have your wish.....I started a PIEDMONT 460/42 thread. Let's see where it takes us ?<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>That is an impressive lot of BROAD LEAF 460 cards you listed.<br /><br />And, ole Buddy, I don't recall that you and I ever having been on dissimilar pages.<br /><br />But, you certainly have me beat on T206 expertise.....but, I am working hard to catch up<br /> to you.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Judson Hamlin</b><p>I wish my wife listened to me like that when I make suggestions.<br /><br />The McLean and Rhoades (StL) were 350's. Sorry.<br /><br />Posted to the 42 thread already<br /><br />And, just a general thanks for putting these threads out there. I think it's great to get more info into the hobby. Happy holidays.<br /><br />Edited for lousy grammar. My English profs at Richmond just collectively cringed.

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Posted By: <b>Craig H</b><p>Alright, it's been documented, but here's mine. It's Clancy of Buffalo by the way.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1166146040.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>From Brian's possible BL 350 "No-Print" list we have eliminated......<br /><br />Freeman<br />Graham (Boston)<br />McLean<br />Rhoades<br /><br />And, we still have 11 remaining..... <br /><br />Barry (Milwaukee)<br />Cassidy<br />Demmitt (New York)<br />Joe Doyle<br />Fromme<br />Groom<br />Howard (Chicago)<br />Huggins (Hands/mouth)<br />Kleinow (NY-catching)<br />Rhodes<br />Schlafly<br /><br />We need more inputs, guys......show or tell us of your BROAD LEAF 350 cards ? <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>In an earlier post here you noted your Huggins BL 350.....<br /><br />Please be more specific as to which version (portrait or hands at mouth) ?<br /><br />Thanks, TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Judson Hamlin</b><p>would be a portrait (raw, but probably a 50 or 60)

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>UPDATED....list of confirmed....BROAD LEAF 350 cards <br /><br />THANKS guys....for all your pix and inputs on your BROAD LEAF 350 cards....we are about 1/2 the way<br />through a possible 196+ cards with this tough back. <br /><br />To date total = 86.....interestingly, the majority of Subjects are Minor Leaguers and there<br />are only 6 reported HOFers....Beckley, Bresnahan, Huggins, Joss, Marquard, and Speaker. <br /><br />Abstein<br />Adkins<br />Arellanes<br />Arndt<br />Barbeau<br />Barry (A's)<br />Beck<br />Beckley<br />Blackburne<br />Bliss<br />Brain<br />Bresnahan (bat)....this card has been reported 4 times<br />Burchell<br />Burke<br />Bush<br />Butler<br />Carrigan<br />Casey<br />Chappelle<br />Charles<br />Clancy<br />Frank Delehanty<br />Dineen<br />Donovan (throw)<br />Dorner<br />Downs<br />Joe Dunn<br />Engle<br />Freeman<br />Ganzel<br />Graham (Boston)<br />Graham (St Louis)<br />Grimshaw<br />Hallman<br />Hartsell<br />Hayden<br />Howell (portrait)<br />Huggins (portrait)<br />Davy Jones<br />Joss (pitch)<br />Killian (portrait)<br />Kisinger<br />Knabe<br />Kroh<br />Kruger<br />Lennox<br />Maddox<br />Malarkey<br />Marquard (portrait)<br />McBride<br />McGinley<br />McGlynn<br />McLean<br />Miller (Pitt)<br />Mitchell<br />Moeller<br />Moran (Chicago)<br />Mullen<br />Murray (bat)<br />Myers (bat)<br />Myers (fldg)<br />Nattress<br />Oakes<br />O'Brien<br />O'Neill<br />Paskert<br />Perring<br />Purtell<br />Quillen<br />Rhoades<br />Rudolph<br />Schreck<br />Sharpe<br />Slagle<br />Snodgrass (bat)<br />Speaker<br />Stanage<br />Starr<br />Strange<br />Sweeney (bat)<br />Taylor<br />Titus<br />Willett<br />Wilson<br />Wright<br />Zimmerman <br />

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>Hey Ted, I have Unglaub who isnt on your list and Dots Miller who is

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks JOHN D<br /><br />I will list your Unglaub when I update the confirmed list of BL 350 cards.<br /><br />I've had several emails from readers who have provided some new Subjects, also.<br /><br />T-Rex Ted

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Guys,<br />What I find most interesting is that Brian's W. list of 29 known Broad Leaf 460s includes ONLY TWO 460-only subjects [Kleinow (Boston) and Schaefer (Washington)]. The rest are 350/460 subjects. This suggests Broad Leaf 460s, similar to Piedmont 42s, are much easier to find (although still incredibly difficult) on the backs of 350/460 subjects than 460-only subjects.<br /><br />Also, I have a nice Arrelanes and Burchell with Broad Leaf 350. Here is Arrelanes:<br /><br /><img src="http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/sreader3/ArrelanesFront.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Arrelanes back:<br /><br /><img src="http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/sreader3/ArrellanesBack.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Gee, that is one of the sharpest, well-centered Broad Leaf backs I have seen.<br /><br />Your observation on the Broad Leaf 460 cards being primarily from the 350/460 series is quite<br /> interesting.<br />And, the Piedmont 460/42 cards having the same yield....what can we derive from this pattern ? <br />It's trying to tell us somrthing....but, what ?<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Sean</b><p>Here is an iteresting item, it measures about 5" wide and 2.75" tall on heavier card stock. Anyone have any information about it?<br /><br /><img src="http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g193/hanksta3/broadleafBCsmall.jpg"><br /><br />Thanks,<br />Sean

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Scot,<br /> On my list there are 39 players who are only available in the 460 series, and none are known with Broad Leaf backs. Germany Schaefer (Washington) is one of the 73 poses which was first available in the 350 series and then again in the 460. Kleinow seems to fall outside the pattern as it has been seen with the Broadleaf 460 back. <br /> Piedmont 42's follow a similiar pattern,except for the Chase and Bergen cards mentioned in an earlier thread as they do not appear on any other 460 only cards. <br /> The list may be missing 1 or 2 cards, but I doubt it's missing many, as we don't have any Carolina Brights or Drum's from this group either.<br /><br /><br /> Be well Brian <br /><br /> <br /> <br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Sean- that's a real neat business card but I think the four-digit phone number would date it well before 1910. I think by then five-digit numbers were used. Anybody know more about that?

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Depending when that Broad Leaf adv. was first issued, the New York phone system could have<br /> had only 4-digit Tel #s. The cut-over to 5-digits was somewhere near the turn of the Century.<br /><br />Ted Z

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Hi Brian,<br />I don't think you will ever find Schaefer (Washington) with any 350 back. I know Heitman says he is possible with 350 backs, but I am confident that is not the case. I base this on two considerations: 1) Schaefer (Washington) is possible with Sovereign 460 and 2) Schaefer (Washington) is possible with Sweet Cap 460 Factory 30. The Sovereign 460 and Sweet Cap 460 Factory 30 backs are only possible on the six 350/460 superprints and the 48 460-only subjects. And Schaefer (Washington) is not one of the six superprints. Hence he is a 460-only subject.<br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Scot,<br /> I understand your thinking on Schaefer, but he also fits into the 460 only pattern where he has been seen with Broad Leaf 460, and Piedmont 42 backs. It appears that Kleinow and Schaefer are hybrids of the 2, until we find more evidence, or more cards.<br /><br /> Be well Brian <br />

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Brian,<br />Maybe, like you, Bill Heitman saw Schaefer (Washington) and Kleinow (Boston) with Broadleaf 460 and thought because of this they fit the 350/460 profile. Great minds sometimes think alike.<br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p>Hi Scot,<br /> That's very kind, but I think my research pales in comparison to Heitman's work. In fact I used "The Monster" as my T206 bible, and assumed everything in it was correct until proven otherwise. The fact that he was able to amass this amount of data in the late 70's early 80's is quite remarkable, besides the fact that it's probably 95% on the mark.<br />Thank goodness for the Internet, as now we can all research our favorite cards in a few years versus a few decades. <br /> Very few collectors today would communicate the way Burdick, Lipset, Barker, and Heitman etc did by mail in the past. I doubt you and I, Art and Ted would do as well if we had to write letters everyday. <br /><br /> Keep up the search Brian<br /><br /><br />PS Ted probably would have written a letter a week....

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BRIAN and SCOT<br /><br />With Schaefer as a Washington player, we are talking about the begining of 1910 season; and,<br /> isn't that about the time this last series (460-only) was in the process of design ?<br /><br />Now as far as Red Kleinow (Boston) goes, ever since I have collected T206's (starting in 1981)<br /> this card was always a tough variation. And, now that I realize this card (and also Frank Smith-<br />Chi & Bost) do not exist as Sovereign's....I can see why.<br /><br />Take Smith, for example, I have acquired a Piedmont, Sweet Cap, Polar Bear, Old Mill, Cycle,<br /> and an American Beauty 460......but, I do not expect to ever find a Sovereign.<br /><br />Do either of you guys have any theories why Kleinow and Smith were not printed with this back<br />....while all the other 46 (plus the 6 Super Prints) were ?<br /><br />TED Z <br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> Both Frank and Red's families fought in 1776 against the "Sovereign rule" of Great Britain and could not bear to have there pictures on the front of any card with a Sovereign back.......<br /><br /><br /> Ha Ha Brian

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Ted,<br />Assuming sequential brand production, if Sovereign was the earliest back in the 460-only print run it could explain why Kleinow and Smith were left out, since they joined the Boston club I believe in May and September of 1910, respectively. Perhaps these team switches occurred too late for these subjects to be printed with Sovereign 460, but not with the other 460 back types. Of course, this Sovereign-first explanation might not jibe with your primacy of Piedmont theory if that theory has a temporal component ....<br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>OK....as you know Kleinow was traded in May 1910 and Smith was traded Aug 1910; and, in your<br />analysis was that about the time that T206 was planning the final Series (460-only cards) ?<br />Or, were these cards already produced ?<br /><br />I am not sure why I am asking this....but, it is very puzzling to me that these two Subjects are<br /> not available with the Sovereign brand. Because these two cards appear to be available with<br />just about every other brand (except HINDU, CAROLINA BRIGHTS, DRUM and UZIT).<br /><br />One more thing......I know sometime back I stated....that I do not expect that these two cards<br /> will be found as Sovereigns. Do you concur with this ?<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I pegged the 460-only launch to the Fall of 1910 based on artwork completed the preceding Spring and Summer. So if Sovereign 460 were printed first it could explain the absence of Kleinow (Boston) and Smith (Both) with that back. And I do agree with you that these subjects are likely unavailable with Sovereign 460--if they were available we probably would have seen them by now.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>J Hull</b><p>It's seemed to me that Smith (Chi & Bos) and Kleinow (Bos) are the easiest of the 48 cards in the 460-only series to find with Polar Bear backs. And also, that the most commonly found back on those two cards is Polar Bear. The general rule for the 460-onlys seems to be that Piedmont 350-460 factory 25 is most common, but not for those two cards. And so far as I've noticed, only those two cards have Polar Bear as the easiest brand to find. Not sure how that connects to not being present with Sovereign 460 backs, but maybe it does somehow.<br /> <br />Jamie

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted,<br /> I haven't seen a Kleinow, but Smith does exist with a UZIT back.<br /><br /> Be well Brian<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Jamie,<br />I think you are right about Kleinow (Boston) and Smith (Both) with Polar Bear. These two subjects seem easier to find with Polar Bear than Piedmont or Sweet Caporal. Not sure why that is. Ted, Brian: theories?<br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>that is an awesome item.<br /><br />I am not sure....<br />but I think those cards came in garbage-pail-kids packs <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>