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Archive 12-18-2006 08:42 AM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Thought this was deserving of its own thread as it was such a staggering amount. This was John Branca's PSA 9 1952 Topps sold in Memory Lane Auction this past week. Price includes buyers premium.<br /><br />Boy just think what a PSA 10 would go for.<br /><br />Nevertheless the Wagner PSA2 in the auction went for a bit more than this.

Archive 12-18-2006 08:56 AM

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Some people simply have way too much money.

Archive 12-18-2006 09:38 AM

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Sometimes I imagine how I would spend money on cards if it was no object at all. And I mean no virtually no object. I think I'd still have a hard time rationalizing spending that kind of money on a post-war card.

Archive 12-18-2006 09:40 AM

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>I'd have a tough time spending that kind of money on ANY card.<br /><br />That said, the '52 Mantle is one of the postwar cards on my want list. In my opinion it's one of the great cards of the hobby.<br /><br />-Al

Archive 12-18-2006 09:44 AM

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p> I think that way too sometimes Jeff and i think the most id spend would be 20k on one card,but id go higher if i had to to get a K-Bats Pittsburgh team card. After that i just cant imagine spending that much on one card when you could get so many more cards for the same amount.Id rather go for quantity<br /><br /> Im pretty sure alot of mid-grade collectors on this board would hate me if i won the lottery <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

Archive 12-18-2006 10:06 AM

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Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p>Mickey Mantle is an American Icon.<br /><br />He was a childhood hero to two generations of Americans<br />who are now at their peak earnings level.<br /><br />It is not surprising that a very high grade Mantle card is able<br />to command $283,000. A PSA 10 would (there are 3) bring <br />at least $500,000 and possibly as much as one million dollars.<br /><br />From a hobby perspective Hall of Famers in PSA 9 often command<br />6-10 times the price of PSA 8. In the case of Mantle the PSA 9<br />price is about 4.15 times the price of three PSA 8 examples auctioned<br />this year. It shoud also be noted that the price was positively influenced<br />by the fact that there was a concerted effort on the part of Memory Lane <br />to promote this Mantle card.<br /><br />For those collectors who want a show case piece; one that they<br />can share with their non-collector friends, what could be more<br />fun than to purchase a Mantle?<br /><br />Chances are the next PSA 9 example, whenever it sells, will command<br />an even higher price.

Archive 12-18-2006 10:15 AM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Good points Bruce.<br /><br /><br />I don't disagree--with 8s now going for above $70K, is this really that outrageous for a 9. Heck a 10 would certainly go over 500K and possibly a lot more.<br /><br />Jim

Archive 12-18-2006 10:19 AM

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Guys,<br /><br />Let me put it this way, I'm addicted to baseball cards, but if I had the choice between buying a vacation home and buying a baseball card. I would say Mick you would've been the greatest switch-hitting lead-off hitter of all time and I love you. But I would rather have the home.<br /><br />Peter

Archive 12-18-2006 10:23 AM

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jim and Bruce: I agree this is the most sacred card of the iconic Mick, but I think that because it is such an easy card to get (albeit at a lower grade) I am surprised at its recent near-300K selling price. For example: wouldn't you rather have the Wagner that sold in the same auction at about the same price?

Archive 12-18-2006 10:31 AM

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Peter,<br />I think the winner of the Mantle did not have to make that choice. He can probably have both if he wants the vacation house too. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />Jim

Archive 12-18-2006 10:37 AM

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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>I know one of the owners of the Mantle PSA 10 and says he has been offered $550K and turned it down flat. So if and when it does come to auction expect it to go in the $750K range would be my guess.

Archive 12-18-2006 10:40 AM

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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>A fool and his money, will soon part.....

Archive 12-18-2006 10:41 AM

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Posted By: <b>greg</b><p>I'm still trying to figure out why these fetch the money they do.<br /><br />Condition aside, how many of these things exist?<br /><br />There must have been give or take a dozen of them at the Boston Show. I see them all the time up for auction. Is it really that rare a card?<br /><br />greg

Archive 12-18-2006 10:45 AM

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Posted By: <b>Eric Brehm</b><p>I'm surprised at how much that one went for because it has a definite 'tilt' in the image that (for me at least) significantly detracts from the appeal. If I were defining card grading standards, I would not allow such a card to be called 'Mint', which according to the original (Beckett) definition, meant free of defects, or with defects so minor they don't bother you at all.<br /><br />I paid $72,000 for a PSA 8 1952 Topps Mantle earlier this year, apparently a world record price at the time, and to me it has as good or better eye appeal than the one that just sold in Memory Lane. I no longer own the card, but here is a scan of it:<br /><br /><img src="http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/ebrehm1/52TMantle.jpg"><br /><br />The lure of PSA 9 is strong, however, and there aren't very many of them (total of 6 graded by PSA in the case of this card), and given the status of the 1952 Topps Mantle as the 'face of the hobby' and so on I can see how motivated buyers would compete aggressively for it.<br /><br />

Archive 12-18-2006 10:53 AM

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>"A fool and his money, will soon part....."<br /><br />If someone has worked hard enough to have this kind of coin to spend on a card, I am sure they know how to handle a dollar.<br /><br />I would spend that cash differently, but I respect the new owners success in life to treat himself to such luxury.<br /><br />99% of the earth's population would think spending $1,000 on a baseball card a foolish thing to do...

Archive 12-18-2006 10:54 AM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Eric,<br /><br />Wow--that was a quick flip. Could you give us any info on the sale--who to and how much?<br /><br />I do agree--that is a beautiful 8 and a good buy at $72K.<br /><br />Jeff,<br /><br />I would rather have that Mantle than a PSA 2 Wagner at an equal price.<br /><br />Bobby,<br /><br />If anything $750,000 for the 10 would likely be low.<br /><br />Possibly the first postwar million dollar card.<br /><br />Jim

Archive 12-18-2006 10:58 AM

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>If everyone's figures are correct, it's interesting that there have been only three 10's and six 9's graded, because the 1952 Topps case that was found in the early 1980's had something like 30-40 Mantles in it. Wouldn't you imagine all of them would be at least 9 with a smattering of 10's? They were all uncirculated. Maybe many were slightly mishandled from the time the case was discovered until the time they were graded (and I assume all are in holders by now).

Archive 12-18-2006 11:01 AM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />I believe mind is from that find. The corners are nearperfect, the registration is perfect but the card is at a slight tilt and it is a bit o/c.<br /><br />Grade 8 o/c. I was hoping to upgrade to a straight 8 but with strong 8s likely $75K or more I may have missed the market.<br /><br />Jim

Archive 12-18-2006 11:03 AM

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>If I had the sources I would much rather have a centered SGC 88. That card is offcenter and tilted. I cannot believe it sold that high. I would rather have the Wagner for that kind of $$. This just goes to show that in this instance the buyer bought the PSA 9 holder and the visual appeal of the card was insignificant.<br /><br /><br />Jason

Archive 12-18-2006 11:05 AM

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Posted By: <b>Richard Masson</b><p>And isn't the 52 Mantle a double printed high number?

Archive 12-18-2006 11:14 AM

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Posted By: <b>Eric Brehm</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />I bought the PSA 8 1952 Topps Mantle in the last Mile High Cards auction in June. I believe the card is from Alan Rosen's warehouse find (The Find, circa 1986) and was only graded for the first time in the past year.<br /><br />I sold the card to raise money to buy more pre-war material, which is more interesting to me than the post-war stuff.<br /><br />Barry,<br /><br />I believe a lot of the 1952 Topps high numbers from Rosen's Find had centering problems that kept them from higher grades (as many of the 1952 Topps do), but yes I would expect a higher yield of Mint and Gem Mint examples from a lot of 30-40 cards taken from unopened packs. There must still be some out there that haven't been graded yet. They've got to be somewhere.<br /><br />I remember also that in the 1980's we were less careful with cards than we are today (even valuable mint cards were carried around raw in boxes) so I expect you are right that some of them were probably mis-handled.

Archive 12-18-2006 11:14 AM

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>There is a possibility the buyer may think the market will be strong and just holding it for a short while as an investment as some people hold vacation property for the same reason. I think its an awesome card and well deserved as an icon of the card hobby. The boom in the 80's was centered around the 52 set and this card. <br /><br />Jim, Congrads on the PSA 8 OC. Even with the OC is still a fantastic pick up. Joe<br><br>People said it was a million dollar wound. But the government must keep that money, cause I ain't never seen a penny of it.

Archive 12-18-2006 11:15 AM

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>I will never understand why someone would pay $500K to $1M for a PSA 10 and "only" $280K for a PSA9 when the only difference between the two is the mood of the graders who reviewed the card, or the identities of the people who submitted them. You have to have an astonishing faith in the skills of the graders to believe that each PSA 10 is actually in better condition than each PSA 9. And that faith has to be almost religious in nature when you realize that you can't even verify for yourself that the 10 is actually in better shape than the 9 because both are encased in plastic, concealing subtle flaws. <br /><br />I've also always been amazed at the relative multitude of high grade 52 Topps Mantles. I seem to remember there being some 52 Topps cards with only a single PSA8 and none higher. (Maybe this has changed recently; I don't follow it closely). Yet Mantle has had 3 PSA10s for as long as I can remember (I actually thought there were 4), and several PSA9s as well, and I don't know how many high grades from SGC. Seems strange. I know there's more incentive to submit high grade Mantles, but with the crazy prices that high grade 52 Topps "commons" will yield, I'd be surprised if there are too many Mint and Gem Mint Herman Wehmeier cards waiting to be graded.<br /><br />With all that said, I obviously agree it's a nice card. Personally, if I had $280K to spend, I'd rather buy the Baltimore Ruth that sold for about 50K less than that, and use the difference to buy a Peck & Snyder Reds card, and still have a little chump change left over to buy a couple of mid-gride Old Judge Cabinet Hall of Famers. Or maybe I'd stock up on Hall of Famers from G&B, Yum Yum, and the N175 large set. But that's just me.

Archive 12-18-2006 11:28 AM

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>For those who don't remember, when Mr. whatever-his-name-is first offered the cards from the case for sale, the Mantles were priced at $2500 and $3500 each, I guess depending on the centering. He also offered complete runs of high numbers and semi-high numbers. I don't remember the exact price of those, but a complete high number run may have been around $8000. Since #311-313 are double-printed, there were of course some extra Mantles to be had. They sold briskly at those prices- they were high at the time but not totally extravagant. I guess we all should have bought a couple and somehow held onto them for twenty years.<br /><br />And I agree with Paul that the difference between a 9 and a 10 is to a degree whether the grader had a good night's sleep or didn't show up to work the next day with a hangover. That's why the price discrepancy at those levels is truly remarkable (and not terribly sensible either).

Archive 12-18-2006 11:41 AM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Paul,<br /><br />The lowest pops in the set in 8 are cards 1 and 2--Pafko and Runnels--each pop 9s. The Maxwell is next at a pop 10.<br /><br />Jim

Archive 12-18-2006 11:45 AM

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>There was a smaller find of low number packs a few years ago, so I guess that is where those originate. After the high number find, the low numbers were in a sense even more valuable in high grade because you just couldn't find them. It was tough to locate even an EX-MT Runnells in the days when EX-MT meant something. After the low number packs hit the market, the pop's changed.

Archive 12-18-2006 11:51 AM

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>I've actually always thought that differences between a PSA8 and PSA9 were less significant than a 9 & 10......10's have always looked pretty clean to me and rarely stood out with a flaw I would have thought should hold it back to a 9, save perhaps centering.<br /><br />But Jason Duncan's excellent observation in reference to an SGC88 I think is really interesting...current pop. report at SGC show only 2 88's, nothing higher.<br />I would take an SGC96 any day at that kind of dosh over the PSA, and I'm thinking with the current improvement in SGC prices one would sell at a 15-20% premium over a PSA9. <br />Now that would be one pretty card if it managed to get into an SGC holder. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br />daniel

Archive 12-18-2006 11:57 AM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>daniel,<br /><br />Highly doubtful in my mind simply because of the PSASet Registry--more bidders and people who are looking to move up the Set Registry--the SGC 96 goes nothing for them in this regard and the registry is not very significant yet for SGC.<br /><br />Jim

Archive 12-18-2006 12:02 PM

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>If a 1976 Gretzky card or a 1957 Koufax card can sell for $80,000 each, I guess $282K for a 1952 Mantle is not as crazy as it initially sounds. <br /><br />Personally I would never spend that kind of money on a postwar card. There are are least a two dozen prewar cards I would rather have. In fact, in the same auction, I thought the T206 Wagner that sold for just a little more was a much better deal.

Archive 12-18-2006 12:05 PM

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>True Jim, but that SGC96 has a pretty decent chance at a PSA10 <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br />daniel

Archive 12-18-2006 12:11 PM

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>In looking at the PSA Population Report, it is interesting to see that PSA has graded a total of 766 1952 Topps Mantle cards. No one would consider this rare or scarce.<br /><br />Out of the 766 Mantles graded by PSA, there are 48 cards graded PSA 8, PSA 9 or PSA 10. Even by condition scarcity standards, no one would ever consider this card difficult.<br /><br />I understand that this is one of the most recognizeable postwar cards and the marquee card in one of the most popular set ever, but high prices for a 1952 Mantle just do not seem like good value. The December Mastro auction had four for sale and the December SCP auction had four for sale. It just seems like there is an abundance of these cards.

Archive 12-18-2006 12:42 PM

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Wesley, I agree. And I believe there is solid evidence that the card is actually a triple print, not a double print.

Archive 12-18-2006 01:13 PM

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Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p>It is most interesting to compare the auction prices realized for <br />the signature card of the three greatest New York Yankee outfielders<br />of all time. Listed below is the current PSA NQ population for Grades 8 and 9<br />and as well as auction prices realized in 2006- from Vintagecardprices.com<br /><br />The number in ( ) represents the number of 2006 auctions of a given card<br /><br /><br /> Pop 8 (NQ) Pop9 (NQ) Price 8 Price 9<br /><br /><br />Mantle 52 29 6 68,000(3) 283,000(1)<br /><br /><br />Dimaggio 41 25 5 9,200 (4) 60,000<br /><br /><br />Ruth 1933-144 32 4 18,000 (5)<br /><br />Ruth 1933-149 18 0 42,000 (1) <br /><br />Ruth 1933-189 31 6 20,000 (3) 72,000 <br /><br /><br />It seems, for trading purposes, a 52 Mantle PSA 8 would get you any two Ruths of your<br />choice plus Dimaggio. For your PSA 9 Mantle you could have the PSA 9 Dimaggio and<br />the 181 PSA 9 Ruth and the 144 and 149 Ruth in 8 and still have $90,000 left to spend<br />with your fellow Board members.<br /><br />What do you think?<br /><br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List

Archive 12-18-2006 02:00 PM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I think the DiMag and the Ruth's are a tremendous buy at these prices. remarkable.<br /><br />Jim

Archive 12-18-2006 02:11 PM

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>Can anyone explain 4K for a PSA 8 59 Koufax, a $500-600 card?<br /><a href="http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5319&getauctionid=64" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5319&getauctionid=64</a>

Archive 12-18-2006 02:14 PM

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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>"If someone has worked hard enough to have this kind of coin to spend on a card, I am sure they know how to handle a dollar."<br /><br />Hey Brian, not everyone that has $100K to piss away on cardboard; has actually worked for a living; i.e. trusts, a massive silver spoon, etc. <br /><br />Mark<br />

Archive 12-18-2006 02:17 PM

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>at a fraction of the price, too. <br /><br />Of course, I can think of literally hundreds of cards I'd rather own than the 1952 Mantle given the cost involved. If someone wants to hand me one, well, OK, I guess I'd take it.

Archive 12-18-2006 02:35 PM

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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>Per Kevin Bacon in <u>Diner</u> : "Do you ever get the feeling that there's something going on that we don't know about?"

Archive 12-18-2006 02:42 PM

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>I do not know pricing on much of the post war issues but the following are cards that are routinely available on ebay every month yet the prices sold significantly over SMR in this same auction. I had sent an email to a new member of the board who knows pricing on this material for his comment but he is not returning my email. Maybe this is the place to go to sell your post war cards...<br /><br />1959 T Aaron PSA 8 $1579.20 OTD<br /><a href="http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5321" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5321</a><br /><br />1959 T Mantle PSA 8 $4460.30 OTD<br /><a href="http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5316" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5316</a><br /><br />1950 B Robinson PSA 8 $5030.18 OTD<br /><a href="http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5112&getauctionid=64" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5112&getauctionid=64</a><br /><br />1962 T F. Robinson PSA 8 $1475.63 OTD<br /><a href="http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5364&getauctionid=64" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5364&getauctionid=64</a><br /><br />1971 T Aaron PSA 8 $1264.3 OTD<br /><a href="http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5436&getauctionid=64" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=5436&getauctionid=64</a>

Archive 12-18-2006 02:54 PM

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>$1,579.20 is an amazing price to pay for a PSA 8 1959 Topps Aaron card.<br /><br />The last six PSA 8 1959 Aaron cards that sold on ebay sold for $306, $345, $345, $493, $400 and $309 according to VCP. I guess the consignor in Memory Lane will not be complaining about the fees.

Archive 12-18-2006 03:00 PM

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Posted By: <b>Joe Tocco</b><p>I think if you busted a 1982 wax case and got 30-40 Ripkens, you'd be very very lucky to get six 9's and 3 10's.

Archive 12-18-2006 03:36 PM

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>I can understand someone paying twice the going rate, maybe. But it makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE that TWO SOMEONES would bid against each other with both willing to pay many many multiples for cards that, as has been said, are available on an almost continuous basis on ebay and elsewhere. Something doth not look right to the naked eye. EDITED TO CORRECT TYPO ONLY

Archive 12-18-2006 03:48 PM

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Should I buy<A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/1971-Topps-HANK-AARON-Baseball-Card-RARE-Braves-PSA-8_W0QQitemZ220037515289QQihZ012QQcategoryZ55925QQr dZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem"> this one</A> and consign it? I am sure the under bidder still needs an 8 despite the fact that s week ago an 8 on ebay did not open for $170. Guess they missed that one.<br /><br />Or I can pick up<A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/1959-TOPPS-10-MICKEY-MANTLE-PSA-8-AWESOME_W0QQitemZ200059668890QQihZ010QQcategoryZ55 917QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"> this one</A> and double up by seeing if Memory Lane can place it to the under bidder.<br /><br />Edited to add the 59 Mantle

Archive 12-18-2006 03:54 PM

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>The one in Memory Lane only had white showing at 2 corners, surely that is worth a serious premium, no?

Archive 12-18-2006 05:45 PM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell,</b><p>Greg,<br /><br />I think you should call JP and ask him for the names of the underbidders. All auctioneers should be willing to help out a customer in this respect.<br /><br />Jim

Archive 12-18-2006 07:23 PM

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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>Even though they are plentiful, 1952 Topps Mantle prices remain strong due to the high demand. It's the card everyone wants. I don't see the prices coming down anytime soon. <br><br>Frank

Archive 12-18-2006 07:42 PM

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>Bottom line, this is an iconic card. Infact I think you can only make a case for the T206 Wagner being more iconic then the 52 Mantle. These two cards are recognized by collector and non-collector alike. Yes prices continue to soar, but I havent heard of anyone losing their money buying Mantles and Wagners. These cards will always have a market, safe bet in my book.

Archive 12-18-2006 07:52 PM

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Not a bad price for a player who averaged .298, 29 HRs and 83 RBI's a year. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Its hard to believe he only had 4 - 100 RBI seasons. What does Jeff Kent have, like 8?? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

Archive 12-18-2006 10:01 PM

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Posted By: <b>Ricky Y</b><p>I think you throw any logic out the window when it comes to the 52 Mantle. It's a card even the causal collector knows about. Despite it being plentiful, a graded example has no trouble selling. I picked up a fair condition one some years ago that I thought I probably over paid for at the time....even though it was within my spending budget ...but I really wanted one. It's now housed in a PSA 1 holder..its creased with rounded corners but its centered 55/45 with no markings or other damage. I can probably triple the return of the original price if I sold it now...

Archive 12-19-2006 01:13 PM

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>I know it's blasphemy but I would rather have a PSA 6 52 Mantle and $225,000 to spend on pre-war SGC 50 and 60 caramel cards.

Archive 12-19-2006 01:55 PM

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Bob,<br /><br />Are you out of your mind????<br /><br />Jim

Archive 12-19-2006 02:00 PM

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Posted By: <b>Dan Kravitz</b><p>WOW! I think that someone is going to take a bath when they want to sell it in the future. Wait... I think I hear the water running now.

Archive 12-19-2006 02:04 PM

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>Bob, <br />I agree, I'd take that deal too.<br /><br /><br />Josh<br />(not out of his mind)<br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!

Archive 12-21-2006 07:28 AM

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>I know it's blasphemy but I would rather have a PSA 6 52 Mantle and $225,000 to spend on pre-war SGC 50 and 60 caramel cards. <br /><br /><br /><br />Me, you and probably 95% of the people here.<br /><br />That particular 9 was not centered perfectly and also had a slight tilt. <br /><br /><br />I'd prefer a well centered true ex/mnt example myself.<br /><br /><br />Steve

Archive 12-21-2006 08:12 AM

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>It's not perfect.....but, I like the price I paid for my MICKEY.<br /><br />See, it does pay to be an old dude, sometimes.....who was very fortunate to have saved his BB card collection.<br /><br />T-Rex TED<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/mmantle52t.jpg">

Archive 12-21-2006 08:13 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>I'll take a 5 and $235K. I can buy a few OJ's with $235K.....or re-start my W600 collection that I sold a few years back......albeit at a MUCH higher price....<br />

Archive 12-21-2006 08:13 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Mark Evans</b><p>Got lots of uses for the leftover gelt -- CJ Jackson, Guy Zinn and my granddaughter's education, not necessarily in that order. Mark

Archive 12-21-2006 08:29 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>Steve wrote: "I know it's blasphemy but I would rather have a PSA 6 52 Mantle and $225,000 to spend on pre-war SGC 50 and 60 caramel cards."<br /><br />I agree with Steve for my personal collection. But that's also because I have a budget that's limited. If I had a $20 million budget for cards, buying a PSA 9 Mantle would not stop me from getting alot of other SGC 50/60 Caramel Cards...it would be just an "addition to", not an "instead of"

Archive 12-21-2006 08:35 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>I'd be thrilled with a nice 2 or 3. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />-Al

Archive 12-21-2006 08:47 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>I'd go for the $282,587 straight up, hold the Mantle, irrespective of grade. <br /><br />I still don't see what this has to do with Allen Iverson or the Nuggets. <br /><br />-Ryan

Archive 12-21-2006 08:55 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Richard Masson</b><p>I know this has probably been asked and answered a million times, but why is this Mantle so popular? The 51 Bowman is the rookie and even though it is a 52 Topps high number, it is one of the double printed cards. I never understood why it is such a big deal. <br /><br />

Archive 12-21-2006 09:00 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>even though i do collect higher grade cards usually, for the record, i would take the T206 Wagner PSA 2 over the 52 Mantle 9 anyday...

Archive 12-21-2006 09:04 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>In 1980, on the front page of the Philly Inquirer there was a pix of two BB card dealers<br />in the Philly area who auctioned off THREE 1952T Mantle's for $10,000....total.<br /><br />This made news in the hobby nationwide, and the "hype" began, and the rest is history.<br /><br />T-Rex TED

Archive 12-21-2006 09:08 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Ted:<br /><br />I know that you were a collector back in the early 1950's...<br /><br />so do you remember whether the 1952 Topps was more popular than the 1951 Bowman back then... and if so, why?

Archive 12-21-2006 09:10 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Richard, that's a good question. Maybe the overall popularity of the 52 set? Or the larger format? Or the legend of the high numbers being dumped into the sea?<br /><br />As far as Iverson goes, Kenyon Martin will EAT Allen Iverson the first time he gets out of line. So I wouldn't expect any on-court issues with Iverson. If the Nuggets can keep a strong team with those three huge contracts (and egos), and if Kenyon can come back strong from the surgery, and if Iverson passes the ball once in a while, Denver will be tough for a long time.<br /><br />-Al

Archive 12-21-2006 09:11 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I would take the psa 8 52T Mantle that sold in Drent's auction for $72,000(that was a great buy)and use the oproceeds to buy some of the 52 cards I need to complete the set in psa 8 or better. Is another psa 8 Pafko ever going to appear and would the price be higher than the Mantle in 8?<br /><br />Jim

Archive 12-21-2006 09:14 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Richard- I think 1952 Topps is the iconic post-war set. Also, certain collectibles are status symbols. The 1952 Topps Mantle is a status symbol; the 1951 Bowman is just a really nice baseball card.

Archive 12-21-2006 09:17 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jim- if I remember correctly when that group of 1952 low number packs was found a Pafko was pulled out of one of them. Didn't that grade higher than an 8?

Archive 12-21-2006 09:29 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />Last time I checked the Pafko I think was a pop 9 in psa 8 which tied it with the Runnels for lowest pop in set. I also thought there were none higher but I could be wrong on this.<br /><br />Jim

Archive 12-21-2006 09:41 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>That's kind of interesting regarding cards #1 and #2- a find of low number packs couldn't produce one mint example? Is it unusual for a card taken directly out of a pack not to grade mint?

Archive 12-21-2006 09:49 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Barry- not surprising to me at all...first of all, these cards often can get "shifted" around in the packs, damaging corners slightly, then the centering has a big impact on "mint" grading...even though i don't collect them, i do understand that the 52 Topps had some major centering problems...

Archive 12-21-2006 09:51 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Fair enough. I guess a fifty year old unopened pack is still subject to a tiny bit of wear and tear.

Archive 12-21-2006 10:00 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I can only tell you of my collecting experience in Hillside, NJ in 1951 and 1952.<br /><br />Of the 1951 Bowmans that I recovered from my youth, there were no Hi#s.<br /> And, of course Mantle's Rookie card is the 1st card in the HI# Series (#253)<br /> and Jackie Jensen's was adjacent (#254) on the 72-card sheet.<br /><br />I cannot account why I didn't collect the Hi# cards, which would've been available<br /> in the Fall of '51. One factor you must realize, in 1951 Mantle was having troubles<br />and not many of us were excited about his BB card. <br /><br />My memory of the 1952 collecting season is clearer. The 1st series of the 1952<br /> Bowmans (72 cards) were first out in the market (at least in my neighborhood).<br />Then the 1952 Topps were at the stores. These larger cards made such a huge<br /> impression on us kids, that most of us stopped collecting the smaller Bowman cards.<br /><br />Now, by the time the Hi# series of 1952 Topps was available in the Fall of '52,<br /> Mantle had become an exciting player and we all wanted his card. And, when the<br /> kids were opening up 5 cent packs and finding Mantle's, I recall the Fall of '52<br /> being a very exciting time.....even for those who were not Yankees fans.<br /><br />I leave you with this fact.....Mickey batted .311 in 1952....so, how did Topps know<br /> this, since they numbered his card....311.....?<br /><br />T-Rex TED<br />

Archive 12-21-2006 10:02 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...I opened a 1987 Donruss pack in 1999 and sent the Maddux rookie into PSA just about immediately -- it came back an 8. It takes much more than being pulled from a pack to get a high grade.

Archive 12-21-2006 10:09 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Didn't one of the grading companies- it might have been Beckett- offer to remove cards from unopened packs on site and with protective gloves, and if they were in fact perfect agree to grade them an "11"? I had such a good laugh over that one- it's like the scene in "This is Spinal Tap" where Christopher Guest sets his amplifier to "11" (which is even higher than the maximum "10") so he can play his music extra loud.

Archive 12-21-2006 10:28 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p>which had grades going to 11<br /><br />Rich

Archive 12-21-2006 10:49 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Ted -- are you originally from New Jersey? I'm originally from Clark which is not more than a few minutes away from Hillside.<br /><br />Paul -- I would have loved to have seen your face when that Maddux came back an 8.

Archive 12-21-2006 10:58 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Thanks Rich- no slight against Beckett intended. I was just mining it for the humor. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

Archive 12-21-2006 11:21 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>In another Thread, I noticed you acquired your BB cards in Linden. I have very fond<br />memories of the towns of Clark and Linden. My Aunt and Uncle owned a restaurant<br />on Wood Ave. And, they lived in Linden, so I spent a lot of my youth in those towns.<br />And, bought a lot of Bowmans and Topps cards there in the early 1950's. My older<br />cousin went to Linden High with Rosie Greer (NFL star).<br /><br />A lot of great memories of the area, as I am sure you have.<br /><br />TED Z

Archive 12-21-2006 11:31 AM

OT-$282,587 for a Mantle PSA 9
 
Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...because I had already been given a lesson on how hard it is to get a 9 or a 10, you know, back in the go-go 90's when all those Thomas, Sosa and McGwire cards were really going to be worth something.


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