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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Hey Folks,<br />I have been contemplating allowing paid banner advertising on the board for quite sometime so figure I will get more input on it in a thread. I have spoken to the previous moderators and many other prolific board members about it, recently. I haven't heard of any show stoppers so far. The reason to do it is because:<br /><br />1. I have been asked by several companies if we would allow it. <br />2. It would be a little income. <br />3. I could give back some to the board and have a nice trivia quiz giveaway each month. The other previous moderators would get a small monetary gain.<br />4. It would add a little color to the board, which it could use. <br />5. It would allow advertisers, which we all already know, to advertise on a board dedicated to our niche, and remind us of their company's.<br /><br />The biggest potential issue I have encountered is a perceived conflict of interest with advertisers. In other words if XYZ Auctions advertises then some folks, or myself, might not say what we feel. The only thing I could say to that is the contract that would be made up would state that this is an open board and anyone or any company is fair game. To that end any company advertising could cancel at anytime as well as I could cancel them at anytime for any, or no, reason...with prorated refunds given. It would be open ended in that respect. The company's I have spoken with understand the situation very well. Also, if it's tried and doesn't work I could cancel the advertising at anytime. I really don't want the board demeanor changing. With that said I will continue to be hard on anonymous posting, on purpose. All comments are welcome and I hope folks don't think this is the end of the world. It's simply a banner at the top that you can choose to click on or not. Most of the advertisers, if not all, would be well known to us already. There will still be no fees for the board and no fees for the BST area's. Thanks for ya'lls understanding in the matter...

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Posted By: <b>Patrick McHugh</b><p>Leon I like the idea. It will bring as well more people to the sight which should = more knowledge and input.

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Posted By: <b>Bryan Long</b><p>I could care less - if it will put a little cash into the well-deserving folks who help run this board than I am all for it. Like you said, as long as the people know that this board is open for all comments, just about, good and bad. I don't think it will hurt anything as long as the board continues to be ran the way it is now.<br />Plus, a little color is always a good thing <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br><br>.

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>I think it is a great idea, it will help cover the costs of the board plus give and the other former moderators a little kick back for your time and efforts. Another idea if there is money available to help in the cost of the Net 54 National gathering.<br /><br />I do like the idea of a monthly contest of some kind.<br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I don't really have a problem with it. I'm pretty certain that every website I visit on a regular basis has banner advertising of some sort...doesn't bother me and I rarely notice it. If it helps you out Leon I say go for it.

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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>this may be a dumb question......but, will this be a banner or a pop up? i'm not sure there is a difference, but pop ups are a pain in the....

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Go for it and keep the proceeds!

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Posted By: <b>paulstratton</b><p>Do it. I assume most of these companies are already in the vintage links section anyway. Might as well generate some income for all of your work.

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>is <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>As long as whatever is done doesn't interfere with use of the board from a technical standpoint and doesn't change content, it is OK with me. <br /><br />Perhaps some of the money could be devoted to sponsoring the N54 National party (I'm particularly thinking of the, er, bar part of the party being open later and longer <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> )

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>I have a big problem with the idea. I think it compromises what people will say and I also think that it effectively endorses companies based on their ability to pay rather than the quality of their services. I am not sure that I would be willing to participate in a board like that.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>NEVER !!!!!!!!!! I hate those things. I really don't want to change the demeanor of the board and it is truly the most important thing to me. That's why I have put in so many "outs" if I don't see the normal bashing continuing. Thanks for the replies so far.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>and if it helps you out... all the better.

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>I agree with Jay. Allowing certain companies to advertise here will have a chilling effect on criticism of companies that advertise here. <br /><br />It looks like the decision has already been made, so hopefully this board can for the most part remain objective.

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Posted By: <b>DR</b><p>Questions answered...thank you.

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Posted By: <b>Kaz</b><p>I don't have a big problem with advertising but if they are going to pay you based on how many clicks the banner receives I would be disappointed. I refuse to click on an ad banner because 80% of the time or better it's gonna lead to some jacka$$ infecting my system with spyware/malware, etc. or lead to an influx of spam I don't care to dig through.<br /><br />Good to know you are adamant about NO POP-UPS!!! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Bill<br><br>My personal collection - <a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/</a>

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>I have no problem with advertising - and, contrary to some other views expressed above, I do not believe that a banner at the top of the page will in any way temper my comments or those of other board members - particularly since the vast majority of us have no financial stake in the advertisement. Frankly, if PSA (for example) chooses to advertise with us, and doesnt like something I say, thats too bad.<br /><br />The only thing that would change my opinion on this is if I started seeing some of my comments being edited by the moderators - however, I have no reason to believe that will happen.

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Considering it isn't free to Leon, but costs him money to run the site (Yes, I count time as money), it's not unreasonable for him to want to generate some money. For me to babysit board fights and give new members time outs when they are naughty, the board would either have to be on my personal web site or I would have to be paid $$. The feeling of power would not be enough.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>No kind of pricing has been set but it would NOT be based on clicks it would be a monthly fee. Also, it would be static so the download wouldn't be any slower than current page refresh's. It's not a done deal as I wanted to get feedback and see if there was anything I hadn't thought of. I understand the potential for not speaking as freely and hope that wouldn't happen. Again, if you read my last post that is why I have left an out for myself if it doesn't work. To reiterate, as I stated something contradictory, this has not been totally decided yet. I am leaning that way though. Thanks again to all who have an open mind and trust I will do the right thing....

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>As an independant businessman, I'm already paid monthly to chill my criticisms ... On an unrelated note, Mastro has some fine items this month that will make the lucky winners the envy of their friends and will impress the pretty girls.

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Sound fine to me.<br />I have no problem trusting that you will do the right thing (my paraphrase<br />of your excellent use of the language of ethics!)<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />barry

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Posted By: <b>jackgoodman</b><p>My 2cents. How many banners are we talking about? will it be one at the top of the page or several placed between threads? I'm also concerned about load times. Will you publish the general requirements for companies that wish to buy a banner? Can individuals buy banners as well? Will banners be limited to site specific items only? Those are my questions. I don't foresee any problems with people on this board censoring their comments because of advertising so that is not a concern at all. I would be interested in the answers to the questions I've posed tho.<br /><br />Thanks Leon.

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>NO POP UPS!!<br /><br />NO VIRUSES!!

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Posted By: <b>Griffin's</b><p>I vote to add it. The last time there was a call for board contributions was years ago, and I believe Leon has been paying it himself since then. Time is a huge contribution, pay yourself back from the ads and move forward.<br />And thanks for all the work you do, Leon. I doubt anyone has any idea how much work something like this is until they have done it themself, and your efforts are truly monumental.

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>and I apologize up front if I missed it mentioned earlier, but did the inquiring companies mention at what point they became interested in advertising on the board?...meaning, once the site cleared a certain number of daily hits, etc? just wondering what their criteria were, if they shared?....<br /><br />PS - If the site doesn't become materially different in any way, I'm all for you getting paid!...I know I am relatively new here, but I have been very impressed with everything about the site and the job you've done...<br /><br />PPS - I also like the idea of a monthly contest or sending some of that money back out in ways that would help the board's community (sponsoring dinners, contest prizes for best pick-up of the month, best thread of the month, maybe web design software to help members build websites, etc)...<br /><br />Jason L

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>First of all I manage the board because I enjoy it. Whether there are banners or not I will still do it. Now to answer Jacks questions which were:<br /><br />"My 2cents. How many banners are we talking about? will it be one at the top of the page or several placed between threads? I'm also concerned about load times. Will you publish the general requirements for companies that wish to buy a banner? Can individuals buy banners as well? Will banners be limited to site specific items only? Those are my questions. I don't foresee any problems with people on this board censoring their comments because of advertising so that is not a concern at all. I would be interested in the answers to the questions I've posed tho."<br /><br /><br />1. One banner only at the top of the main forum and potentially the other pages...but my thought is only 1 at the top....<br /><br />2. Load time will not be an issue...if it is then we won't do it. You can mark my word on this. I still have dial up at home....(ISDN)<br /><br />3. I doubt I will publish requirements on the buying of a banner. Suffice it to say it will be monitored and I would only want banners pertaining to our niche. Trust me on this.....<br /><br />4. Let me reassure everyone, once again, there will be the exact same censoring as there is today...which if you are anonymous then it will be tight...If you put your name by it you can say almost anything you want to per the forum rules...whether about a future/present advertiser or not... This reminds me of a grading company we all know and love. I happen to know the general manager and my view on this is the same as his on preferential grading. NEVER.....It would kill his business as it would kill this board...<br /><br />Hope this answers the questions posed....regards<br /><br />edited to answer Jason's question. I have had numerous inquiries within the last year about advertising....nothing specific as to "when" they started...<br /><br />Let me add something else too....if a company does not do a banner ad they would still be able to do a post about their auction.....just as it is today. Again, it's a moderation thing....<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Andy</b><p>Not sure if I'm considered a "Board Member", I lurk daily and post rarely, but banners wouldn't make me double think a comment about an advertiser. I can't see why it would make anyone censor themselves. If an advertiser doesn't like a comment made on the board, then they can pull their ads and stop putting their name in front of all the other collectors on the board.<br /><br />I agree that Leon and others should be compensated for their time and if this can accomplish that then go for it.<br /><br />As far as color goes, I'm content to enjoy all the color from the images that you all post in the threads. Simply wonderful! I never tire of seeing the cards you all have.<br /><br />Thank you

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Posted By: <b>jackgoodman</b><p>Go for it!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Hi Leon- while you and I have already talked about this, and I see nothing wrong with you making some money on a project that you have put many man hours into, I probably still have a few reservations about it. I might like to see just what the page will look like before I gave it my full endorsement. How many ads will be visible at one time? Will they in any way be a distraction? I also probably would find "we are accepting consignments" ads a bit off putting. One of the things that I like about the board is I feel we are all on equal footing. Whether one is a beginner or an advanced collector, everyone has the same freedom and rights. Now, all the biggest companies, the one's who will be able to afford these ads, will be staring us in the face every time someone wants to post. Again, there is nothing necessarily wrong with this, but maybe in the same way that a billboard every hundred yards on a highway doesn't add to the pleasure of a Sunday drive.

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Posted By: <b>Chris Bland</b><p>Anyone who can pay the fee and stay on topic, or will it be relegated to the REA's and Mastro's of our collecting world?

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Posted By: <b>Matt E.</b><p> No big deal Leon.<br />Banners can be easily ignored after a period of time. <br />No Pop Ups.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Barry- I understand your concerns. I don't think this website would be too different than most you click on today....I wouldn't want the banner to be too distracting... One ad at a time ....<br /><br />Chris- I have given some thought to who can advertise. If they stay on topic I don't see a problem with collectors or companies doing it....This is all new to me so certainly there could be things that pop up that I haven't thought of...hence this thread.....I am all about communication....

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>I am all for it. I think Leon should make a little $$ for all the time he puts in. <br /><br />I don't think it will alter the content of what gets said here. I would think that most posters already assume that the majority of hobbyists with interests in pre-WWII cards already are reading what is said here, even if they are lurkers. Leon does not strike me as the type of guy who censors opinions he disagrees with.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>I almost always ignore them. In fact, I can't remember a banner on any other site that I actually did click on or take notice of. Go for it, it won't bother me, or effect me in any way - postive or negative. I imagine a lot of people are like me. Just as long as it is not disturbing, like strobing lights or pop-ups.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Leon,<br /> I agree with Jim B, I'm all for it. <br /> Be well Brian

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>As far as anyone making money I’m all for it, however in this instance my vote would be no.<br /><br />It’s a good idea in theory, but once the line has been crossed from in effect non-profit to profit, there’s a whole new set of rules and assumptions to be made. This can be a very blurry line, and may cause more problems than what’s it’s worth. <br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/large/Untitled-1%20copy_3.jpg"><br /><br />With that said your club, your rules go for it, just giving a friendly word of caution.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />John<br />

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Posted By: <b>Brent Butcher</b><p>Advertising wouldn't bother me either. I don't think it will affect the way peolple interact and correspond to certain topics. The only individual that it could affect from a monetary standpoint would be Leon and I don't think the money coming in will change his integrity with the way he moderates this board.

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>I really could care less one way or another, but it is a very slippery slope once you start throwing money into anything. Anytime you take money from anyone you align yourself with them. Once this site goes to paid advertising it will never go back, regardless of what types of outs there are. <br /><br />Subjectively I dont care at all if Leon or other past moderators make some money off of any project they have put time into. I think Leon does a great job as have others in the past. So I will not care if it goes to advertising personally.<br /><br />Objectively though, if Leon or others will run this site because they love it whether money is a factor or not, then why make it a factor by throwing money into the mix. It might be a completely innocent can of worms, but its a can of worms nonetheless.<br /><br /><br />Rhys<br />

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Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>Sounds good Leon. Just hope the ads are not the type that keep flashing.<br /><br />Joe<br><br>Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Your last comment is valid. My answer is that I do enjoy doing it but why not be compensated a little if it doesn't hurt anything? If you had a site and folks wanted to pay you to have a banner, and it wouldn't change the site, wouldn't you take the money? It is a slippery slope and I am very aware of it.....<br /><br />btw, Rhys, I guess you just don't know me well enough when you say once it's there it will never go back.....if the demeanor changed/changes then it would indeed go back to pre-banner days...not much more I can say to that matter...

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Posted By: <b>howard</b><p>If the cards we collect have ads on them then why not web site?

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>Im all for it. You should recieve something for babysitting us.<br /><br />Perhaps, for those sitting on the fence, you could allow a trial banner in the BST?

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Do it! I believe that if the advertisers are chosen carefully it could be a huge plus. The most frustrating thing to me, in this hobby, is finding the cards that I want/need. As an example, additional information on upcoming auctions, etc. is always welcome from my perspective.<br /><br />I wish auction houses would come on the board more often and give us advance lists of what they will have in their upcoming auctions. More information is better.<br /><br />It might be nice if after a year of so of this, if board members were given a chance to have further input. I believe you might have A LOT of interest in advertising on this board since it is a vey specific niche of collector and many auction houses (and other services) serving that niche. Board members might have opinions later as far as what type of advertiser proves a positive contribution and which detract from the value of the board. BUT IN THE END, it is your decision Leon.<br /><br /><br><br>________________<br /><br /><a href="http://www.audiocomedy.net/soundboards/jacket.shtml" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.audiocomedy.net/soundboards/jacket.shtml</a>

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Posted By: <b>Dave Seaborn</b><p>This board is a very special place, there's really nothing else like it. Having been here since the pre-N54 days, I can say it's a great thing and it wouldn't be the same if there was no board. To me, ads don't matter too much so long as the 'feel' of this board doesn't change...that's important.<br /><br />Fianlly, count me in with those who think it sure would be nice (if possible)to take a portion of the funds and use them to defray the costs of an annual N54 meeting. That would be great. Keep up the great work Leon.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>No way an ad will temper my comments. If you deserve to get blasted, you will. I don't care who you are.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Leon I think you have answered most everyone's questions and concerns. You certainly answered mine. I am all for it.

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Posted By: <b>Mark Evans</b><p>I think it makes sense to try it assuming pop-ups and viruses can be assuredly prevented. Also, I think ads should be as inobtrusive as feasible and certainly not flashing or moving or the like. I think the concern over stifling board content is probably a red herring given the independent and outspoken nature of most board members, but I would ensure that if I'm wrong, the board can terminate any agreements in relatively short order. Mark

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Posted By: <b>edacra</b><p>The only time banner advertising seems to interfere is when the moderators/owner start to depend on that revenue in order to handle the overhead of the site. Really, the people helping to pay electricity bills on this forum really should deserve preference over some card collecting ruffian "speaking their mind".

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Posted By: <b>Rick</b><p>I wouldnt mind an auction house ad ...it would actually be nice to be remained of up coming auctions , special items etc.<br /><br />Maybe even a company like MJ roops or vintagecardpricer.com<br /><br />However grading companies would just be too much, same with ebay handles etc.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Rick</b><p>actaully now that i think about it... <br /><br />I would rather have a member paid message board than a sponsor paid board.

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Old Cardboard has banner ads on their site, and I think it's just fine. Very unintrusive, nothing flashing or jumping, etc. I've noticed them on the OC site and even thought that those kinds of ads wouldn't be a bad thing for this forum.<br /><br />If for whatever reason it doesn't work out, I'd be willing to kick in a little bit if needed. No individual should have to carry the financial load of keeping this running.<br /><br />J

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>who really cares who the advertiser is? I mean I visited probably 500 webpages today and cant recall one banner ad. As for not speaking your mind, I want someone to tell me just why an ad by psa/sgc/pro/gai etc would have any effect on my comments? <br /><br />If its really a valid concern, then I think the ads should all be non-hobby related. Then we can just ignore them like any other ad on any other website.<br /><br />Finally, as for Leon defraying the cost of the board, I dont understand why anyone would have a problem with that - I certainly dont see anyone offering to pony up their own money as an alternative.<br /><br /><br />Edited to add - I do see that Joanne has offered to kick in some money - though she supports the proposed change.

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Posted By: <b>martindl</b><p>Theres a hockey board I've frequented for years that started banner ad's about six months ago. That board and this have the same type feel and attracts the same type posters - newbies, veterans, dealers, collectors, knowledgable and not so much. The feel of that board hasn't changed at all. People still say what they think, owner and moderators both, even when the topic at hand is the company doing the advertising.<br /><br />Based on my experience I'm good with it. At the end of the day its the character of the characters that will define how it works out. I don't think theres a better person than Leon out there, so for me I have no reservations.

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>I don't think that it is enough.<br />I think that we should double the anticipated price,<br />and cut the ads in half. <br />If the individuals and smaller companies can't afford it,<br />we can offer "half price days" one month per year.<br />No problem being a slut, just don't be a cheap one.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>If this project moves forward, and I believe it will, then there will be a sample banner ad ran so everyone can see how it affects their computers....consider that idea done....and thanks to a private email from a very nice board member. I appreciate the pro's and con's so far. <br />regards

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Posted By: <b>Mike (18colt)</b><p>Good evening.<br /><br />I agree with the majority in that a little ad revenue is a good thing. I have one or two concerns.<br /><br />From a technological standpoint, would the advertisers have access to exactly who is visiting the site (something that would collect data about the originating computers of users), allowing them to send product-related e-mails to those who visit the board (thereby potentialy abusing privacy concerns)? By placing an ad on this site, could advertisers gather our personal info from this site and sell it to other "related" companies or others who want information about collectors like us without our knowledge? I'm not a techie-genius type, so if it sounds like a stupid question, I'll just post about vintage cards, which I do know a little about.<br /><br />Thanks Leon for moderating a great site (and to the others before you).<br /><br />Mike (18colt)

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Good questions and, though I didn't want to personally pop this back up to the top, the answers to both of your questions is an emphatic "NO". They (advertisers) will have as much info as you put out here just like is being viewed right now. For the record the only other info I have on anyone is their IP address. Nothing else unless they gave it to me from outside of this site. Hope that answers your questions. regards

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Posted By: <b>DJ</b><p>I think it's great that you ask the animals before you place the item in this jungle.<br /><br />Our opinions matter and I would most certainly not oppose to the advertisement as well and you should most certainly go for it. Plus contests are good! <br /><br />Maybe it will give me an opportunity to guess a trivia question correctly and win Leon's T208!!!<br /><br />Could you purchase the banner for a specific auction instead of bringing it to the attention on the main board? Perhaps a rotating banner of several advertisers? Just things to think about. <br /><br />You will get more eye balls and maybe more newbies asking about "The Wagner" and values!!!<br /><br />As long as it's harmless (works for Old Cardboard) and this site doesn't become a Nascar auto, shoot for it!<br /><br />DJ

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>edacra wrtoe:<br /><br /><I>Really, the people helping to pay electricity bills on this forum really should deserve preference over some card collecting ruffian "speaking their mind". </I><br /><br />I'll take that as a personal jab since that seems to be my rep around. At least have the guts to use my name. And just to live up to it, if you have a problem with me and my posts, then pack up and leave and start your own santized board. The world is not a kind and gentle place filled with Care Bears. <br /><br />As for advertizers getting preference, Every time there was a call for donations to help defray costs for the board, I ponied up. Leon has not asked for donations, but had he, I would have donated money once again, just as many other long time contributors have. So in essence, we are the people that have hellped pay the bills too.<br /><br />Jay- card collecting terrorist and ruffian<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>I hear that the first raffle will be for Leon's Four Base Hits Kelly.

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Posted By: <b>Joe_G.</b><p>I'm sure the board will continue to be great with or without banner advertising BUT you are at more risk with the change.<br /><br />It will be more difficult for "the moderator dude" to remain unbiased.<br /><br />The money, as little as it may be, isn't something you want thrown back at you in one form or another down the road. Not sure how, when, or why, but it will happen.<br /><br />The advertisers out there have plenty of ways to get our attention with mass mailings (email & snail mail), dedicated websites, eBay, our very own B/S/T, etc. Do we really need another avenue to communicate who is who and who is doing what? The "little guys" are already finding it difficult to maintain their own website, perhaps a small ad Old Cardboard, etc.<br /><br />I vote against, let's keep the board as unbiased and even keeled as possible. Besides, it violates your "no advertising" policy on anything but the B/S/T page <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Best Regards,<br />Joe Gonsowski

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>It seems like everyone is assuming that we are talking about pennies. How much money are these banner ads going to generate?

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Add me to the no column for many of the same reasons above. Slippery slope, impartiality, etc. etc.<br /><br />Who decides who can advertise and who cannot? Can Beckett advertise? Pro? Me? Can I advertise my ebay auctions?<br /><br />Because some people have said that they can participate in the same fashion after certain companies are lining the pockets of the board owner(s), is that a good representation of everyone? Perhaps not. <br /><br />What makes this board great is that there is no favoratism, no David and Goliath - everyone is on equal ground and can speak their mind freely. If there is a financial interest by some external motive, then I believe that the board loses some of what makes it better than the rest.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>It hasn't been determined yet. My hope would be as much as the market will bare. Wouldn't you want to get the most from whatever you are doing? I do think helping fund the Net54 National Dinner is a good thing too....You are invited next year. <br />regards<br /><br />ps...btw depending on how you count the votes (not everyone gave an exact answer) they are (as of now)<br /><br />Yes- 30<br />Don't care- 13<br />No- 5<br />

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>as long as elliot gets his yearly family european vacation and bill gets a trip back to fenway park from this, i'm all for it.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Richard, has hit the nail on the head it really is a question of impartiality more than anything. Anytime you are taking money from any outside source to say that they will not influence the situation in any way, is just plain silly IMO.<br /><br />“Wouldn't you want to get the most from whatever you are doing?” <br /><br />Absolutely would, and I do every day its called a business. <br /><br />Where is the line drawn? If you’re looking to offset the cost of operating the site I understand. But what does it really cost to maintain this thing, $250, $500 a year?? I don’t think opening an advertising relationship is really needed to offset the cost, or at least I hope your overhead isn’t that high?<br /><br />So then it becomes a question of making money beyond the simple day-to-day costs, which I’m fine with too. But lets call it what it is, a business move. And if it’s a business move why not get as much as you can out of it?<br /><br />Why not make this a real revenue generator, why take one or two banner ads when there can be multiple? <br /><br />Why not charge a membership fee to all the forum members?? I’d pay it, and I wouldn’t have wonder about impartiality and your costs would be offset. In fact I think if everyone tossed up $20 a year that could also help make the place more fun, and have dinners too.<br /><br />Why not get a kickback, float or commission fee based on any auctions in which board members bid and win as a result of direct advertising on this forum, giving of course that they were referred via this site? Getting a 2% fee based on winnings could really add up. <br /><br />Is there real impartiality? For arguments sake, lets say Mastronet is providing you with a $2000+ a month partnership 24k a year. Are you really going to let people bash the living you know what out of what is a current business partner? After all you would like to sell more advertising right? Even if so there will always be doubt.<br /><br />Why end with just one $2k a month deal why not have a dozen?<br /><br />Leon, not trying to bust your balls. I for one would be happy to write you check to help offset your yearly costs of course I would want to be a moderator too, LOL. <br /><br />This IMO could really be a wolf in sheep’s clothing, no matter how innocent the plan may seem. Now if it’s a profit plan and the free ride is over. I’m cool with that but, thats a where a business begins and the non-profit ends, so why don’t you make the most of it, and will you??<br /><br />Just some thoughts…<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />John<br /><br />Also for the record, if the cost of operating this place is really that much. I would assume that at any given time. Anyone of us would have stepped up no questions asked, me included.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p><a href="http://www.network54.com/Help/?topic=Premier%20FAQ" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Help/?topic=Premier%20FAQ</a><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Leon- I agree emphatically with Mike Colt 18- I do not want to get bombarded every day with emails from these companies because I post regularly and they would have access to my email. I think you need to state in the contract that that practice would be forbidden. I get enough emails every day from businessmen in Nigeria whose fathers died and left them 10 million dollars and they have chosen a total stranger like me to handle their financial affairs. Spam email is a blot on society!

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>that's odd because I have a check on my way right now from Lagos. I just sent them $25,000 to certify the transfer of the oil rig rights. Hmm.......can't wait to get that $20 million check from the rightful heir to the Nigerian throne......just glad I could help them out.....<br /><br />I can be #31 on the 'Yes' side. I would be curious if the ad rates will be posted....So if I understand from above, it'll be a single static banner at the top of each (or most) page? Or will the space be sold to multiple suitors based on #impressions? If you're looking to maximize, go for the latter, not the former........<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Barry- there won't be anymore spam than there is now. If you go to any site with a banner it will be no different. I suggest you might want to put a space or something in your email addy wherever you put it, anywhere on the internet. <br /><br />Richard- it's well known that the cost of the Premier site is $200 a yr in monetary terms....the time I put in to control it is far more than that but like I said I do enjoy it. Thanks for the well known insight. <br /><br />John- If you read my first paragraph it is to generate some income. I don't know how much as nothing has been set. It could be a little it could be a lot. I do believe that is called business. (I just looked that up). <br /><br />You said Richard hit the nail on the head and the biggest issue is impartiality. If you read my first statement I already knew that was the biggest concern. Again, I think you are dead wrong. Fortunately almost everyone that actually knows me thinks you are wrong too. I draw the line on the 3rd party advertisers and wouldn't want members to have to pay. That is where I draw the line, since you asked. As for multiple banner ads that's a great idea. One at a time from multiple companies. Wish I would have thought of that. I'll buy you an extra drink at the National for that one. <br /><br />As far as getting a commission kickback on sales ....hmm...I tell ya what...anything you buy or sell on the BST you can send me some money. I'll take it. Fair enough on that point...and thanks again. <br /><br />I explained myself on the impartiality whether it's Mastro Auctions or anyone else. Kind of being redundant so I won't state that again.<br /><br />Thanks for telling me to make the most of it too....I appreciate that....<br />best regards....(* and you can still make those cartoons of me....no harm no foul)

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>Leon--I don't think people can respond intelligently until they know how much money we are talking about. The more money this business generates the more you are beholdin to the advertisers. You took over the board, I believe, because you wanted to be more actively involved, not as a business. If the only way you want to continue running the board is as a business then maybe someone else will consider running it on a non-commercial basis. Otherwise, if the board does become commercial I would hope someone else would set up a vinatge non-commercial site to provide chatters with an alternative. After all, although I like you alot, the board is the chatters, not the moderator.

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Posted By: <b>3-2-count</b><p>Leon -<br />Count my vote as an "OKAY" . I have no problem with it at all. <br />Thanks, Tony Andrea

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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>i'm not sure why there is a need to sell space on the board.<br /><br />i would contribute, in a heartbeat, to help fund the board and moderator. i know many others (me too) have done so and would do so again. <br /><br />the fact that this is an impartial board with no hidden agendas is very attractive to me. why change that? because you can? <br /><br />this is a capitalistic society, no doubt, but why sell something that you admittedly do for enjoyment? again, because you can?<br /><br />and why didn't the previous moderators go in this direction? i would really like to hear bill's and elliot's opinion. <br /><br />if this does become a revenue generating venue, how long will it be before a faction of the board splits off to generate their own revenue? <br /><br />i like things the way they are now.

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>jay is the wise uncle every family needs. turning this site into a commercial board goes against why it was started in the first place by elliot imo. elliot and bill have done great untold work for this board in its earlier days, and i'm sure they had many chances to "sell out" but didn't. leon took over and expanded and brought even greater exposure to where it is today. i hope if leon feels like he needs to be compensated for his time/energy into it he'd pass it on to someone else (and not go into suicide watch like bill <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> )...

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Please put your names on posts in this thread. I don't mind getting bashed but if I don't know you please put your name. T206 collector please post your name. I don't remember it. I deleted your response. It's the only one I have deleted and won't do it to anyone that puts their name. That's only fair. ....thanks...nothing personal on that one...<br /><br />btw, I do find it interesting that most of the folks with the biggest issues contribute the least to the board....guess people just like to complain...sort of human nature...

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Posted By: <b>Bill Stone</b><p>Leon --fine with me.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Leon- just to play devil's advocate for a moment: since a number of people suggested it, would you consider charging a nominal fee for those who wanted to post in lieu of allowing corporations to advertise? After all, where else other than the BST can someone run a part time business without paying a nickel of overhead? I've often told you that I have been reluctant to sell off BST because I would feel like a freeloader. I think people who post there regularly should be charged a small fee. We have to assume that a majority of them are making some profit so kicking a little back would be appropriate. Just wanted to offer yet one more opinion.

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Posted By: <b>Preece1</b><p>I don't want to see the board "go commercial". The reason you told me that you took over the board was "for the good of the hobby", not for personal gain (I am of course not saying that your contribution has not been great for the hobby because it has). Any way you slice it, the advertisers have influence once you start accepting money. Like Jay, I would hope another board would go up at that point.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>That's a nice suggestion but I would prefer not taking money from individuals. Businesses generally have budgets they can tap into for advertising. I have no issue getting bashed on this situation either. I knew it would happen from a few... I respect everyone's opinion. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>t206collector is a regular contributor to this board. a simple search would provide his name (btw, it's paul...hi paul). <br /><br />fwiw, i'm not sure that leon should be deleting posts on this thread. seems a little "orlandoish" to me. <br /><br />i think some legitimate concerns have been raised. <br /><br />leon, when you took over this board....you had my support (not that you needed it)....but this a bit self serving, imho. nobody had a problem with you linking your webpage to the main board....but this goes beyond that...way beyond. <br /><br />and, if you don't feel that i (or others) contribute enough to warrant my/our opinions being herd, then perhaps you should have just emailed the "contributors" and asked their opinions.