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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>The gaithering of data for a T206 Super Set has begun. I have received data from 4 other collectors and have started putting the data in my spreadsheet. Would like help from any and all. Just email me the front/back combinations from your collection. If you would like me to email the spreadsheet as it is now, just drop me an email. Lets fill up this spreadsheet. Thanks, Bill

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Posted By: <b>Ed McCollum</b><p>Guesing it is an Excel document?<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />Ed <br /><br />ed.mccollum@mosaicinfo.org

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>I couldn't open the file. So that I'm straight on this Super set I don't suspect you need me to let you know that I have a Powers with a Piedmont 150 back. Right? You would want to know if I had a Powers with a Hindu back or a Delehanty with a Carolina Brights back, something like that. Right? Sorry if there has been more on this. I may have just been asleep. Steve

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>I just looked at the super set in progress and it's absolutely fascinating!<br />T206 scholars please send Bill Brown data re: your fronts/backs so that<br />the 'portrait' may become more complete.<br />Thus far 9 folks have sent their set data in; much more is needed.<br />Bill has done great work putting collating the research and is eager to<br />do more, thank goodness.<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />Barry

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Posted By: <b>Bill,</b><p>Bill,<br /><br />Send me your email and I'll attach my set details.<br /><br />RayB<br /><br />aja4rayb@msn.com

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />I just wanted to encourage everyone on this board to send Bill your T206 front/back combinations so that he can plug them into his T206 Super Set spreadsheet. Bill plugged in my front/back combos today and sent me an updated spreadsheet in about an hour. An amazing response time! Plus, for your troubles Bill will give you a cutting-edge T206 checklist in Excel format.<br /><br />Bill is doing the heavy lifting on this project by maintaining the spreadsheet and incorporating all of the reported front/back combinations. Please help him out by sending him your lists.<br /><br />Ted Z., Art M. -- guys like you are absolutely critical to the success of this effort. Please send Bill your front/back T206 holdings when you can.<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>drew</b><p>Bill<br /><br />Any updates on the T206 spreadsheet?<br /><br><br>Drew

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>So far, 14 collected have sent me their data for the Super Set. Looking for many more to respond. Here is the data gaithered for each back:<br /><br />Piedmont 150 153<br />Sovereign 150 44<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 52<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 113<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 27<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 78<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 32<br />Broadleaf 350 20<br />Cycle 350 34<br />Drum 10<br />Piedmont 350 398<br />Sovereign 350 129<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 88<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 260<br /><br />American Beauty 460 16<br />Broadleaf 460 1<br />Cycle 460 27<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 78<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 15<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 20<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 39<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 17<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 43<br /><br />Carolina Brights 48<br />El Principe De Gales 48<br />Brown Hindu 99<br />Black Lenox 11<br />Old Mill 72<br />Old Mill Southern 47<br />Polar Bear 137<br />Tolstoi 49<br />Uzit 8<br />Red Hindu 9<br />Brown Lenox 1<br />

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Just to clarify - are you looking for input from anyone that has T206's? I thought you were looking for some of the more unusual backs and/or combos, so I haven't responded because I didn't think I had anything to add.<br /><br />If you are looking for input on any and all T206's I'll shoot you an email.<br /><br />Joann

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Here is the latest totals for the Super Set:<br /><br />Piedmont 150 153<br />Sovereign 150 57<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 70<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 129<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 29<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 90<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 32<br />Broadleaf 350 24<br />Cycle 350 60<br />Drum 11<br />Piedmont 350 419<br />Sovereign 350 138<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 107<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 284<br /><br />American Beauty 460 27<br />Broadleaf 460 1<br />Cycle 460 30<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 86<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 18<br />Sovereign 460 38<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 22<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 41<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 19<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 53<br /><br />Carolina Brights 50<br />El Principe De Gales 56<br />Brown Hindu 110<br />Black Lenox 16<br />Old Mill 83<br />Old Mill Southern 48<br />Polar Bear 160<br />Tolstoi 54<br />Uzit 10<br />Red Hindu 10<br />Brown Lenox 1<br /><br />Let keep the data coming. Thanks, Bill<br />

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Posted By: <b>RayB</b><p>Bill,<br /><br />I sent a few of my new additions to your email.<br /><br />RayB

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Posted By: <b>Rick</b><p>so ...how many cards is it up to now?<br /><br />over 2000?

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Bill<br /><br />I just emailed you a list of 61 additional T206's that you can add to my<br />initial Spread Sheet data that I sent you. With these, you should have<br /> a total of 700+ unique T206 back inputs from me.<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Currently, I have input everybody that has emailed me (22 collectors) with their data. The total number of front/back combinations stands at 2996 different. Keep the data coming. Thanks, Bill

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Posted By: <b>Rick</b><p>damn ...how cool would that be?<br /><br />3000 cards all lined up ...amazing

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Considering how advanced the collectors are who have contributed data so far I am blown away that only 2 different Broadleaf 460s have surfaced.

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>One thing when this is done there will certainly uncover some secrets about fronts and backs. <br /><br />Bill, Are you keeping track of the backs for each card received, or just filling in data where it is empty?<br /><br />I use to keep track of all the backs I had but never wrote down the fronts.<br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>Zach S.</b><p>Bill,<br /><br />Sent you an email w/ the T206's that I have on hand. It's not much but it'll add to the set. I'll be able to add more when I get back home.<br /><br />Zach S.<br />zsmith@as39.navy.mil

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Scot, i'm with you about the shock of seeing just one or two<br />broadleaf 460's,particularly when we compare with the Drum and Uzit<br />numbers.<br />I am getting more and more eager to see the SuperSet and <br /> how it adds to and illuminates your research as well as others.<br /><br />thanks much, Bill.<br /><br />barry<br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Guys,<br /> I have documented a lot more than 2 Broadleaf 460's, and even have scans of several dozen. There were 2 on EBAY in the last couple of months, and 3 in a recent auction. I will be happy to provide the info on all the 460's I know of. LMK Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Barry A.<br /><br />How about the 2% representation of EPDG backs in this survey ? That is darn close<br /> to what your EPDG thread indicated. You have to love these Surveys on this Forum.<br />We should have more of them.<br /><br />Ted Z

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Ted,<br />I think the 2% EPDG representation in Bill's survey so far is totally in line with the 1% discussed in Barry's thread when one considers that Bill is not counting duplicates--most of which are surely Piedmont and Sweet Caporal.<br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Drew</b><p><br /><br />Hi Guys,<br />I have documented a lot more than 2 Broadleaf 460's, and even have scans of several dozen. There were 2 on EBAY in the last couple of months, and 3 in a recent auction. I will be happy to provide the info on all the 460's I know of. LMK Brian <br /><br />Hi Brian<br />When you get a chance can you please provide the info on the Broadleaf 460's.<br /><br />Thank You<br /> <br><br>Drew

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Brian,<br />I thought you had Latham with Piedmont 460/42 and Jones (St. Louis) with Piedmont 350 and noticed these cards are not on Bill's list. Did you part with them recently?<br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Scot,<br /> No I still have both cards. I sent Bill my Piedmont 42's, but haven't had a chance to send him the rest of my piedmont's. Besides, I was going to let Ted put all of his Piedmont's in and fill in the blanks. Be well Brian<br /><br /><br />PS Bill, send me an updated copy of the sheet and I will help fill in the blanks this weekend with my ungraded cards(including Jones Piedmont 350).

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Thanks very much Ted and Scot for pointing out the<br />EPDG data. these surveys are great fun, particularly when<br />they corroborate our previous work and provide the potential for new discoveries.<br /><br />Brian, we're eager to see how you fill in the rest of the survey---and also eager to hear from the rest of the<br />T206 scholars.<br /><br /><br />best,<br /><br />barry

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Here is the latest totals:<br /><br />Piedmont 150 154<br />Sovereign 150 74<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 88<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 136<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 30<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 155<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 34<br />Broadleaf 350 39<br />Cycle 350 77<br />Drum 14<br />Piedmont 350 427<br />Sovereign 350 171<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 146<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 332<br /><br />American Beauty 460 34<br />Broadleaf 460 4<br />Cycle 460 35<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 95<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 27<br />Sovereign 460 40<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 28<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 43<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 29<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 71<br /><br />Carolina Brights 62<br />El Principe De Gales 80<br />Brown Hindu 116<br />Black Lenox 27<br />Old Mill 114<br />Old Mill Southern 48<br />Polar Bear 205<br />Tolstoi 76<br />Uzit 16<br />Red Hindu 20<br />Brown Lenox 1<br /><br />We keep talking about how long the total for EPDG is, but look at the total Tolstoi. Keep the data coming. Thanks, Bill<br />

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Bill,<br /><br />Thanks for the data. It might be more useful to represent the data as follows:<br /><br />Number found / Number possible<br /><br />For example, Sweet Cap 460/30 is only possible on the 48 460-only subjects and the six 350/460 superprints, so that could be represented as:<br /><br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30: 43/54<br /><br />Just a suggestion.<br /><br />Scot<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>mike mullins</b><p>Hi Bill,<br /><br />I have sent you an email. Attached is an Excel file with all 192 of my T-206 cards. Hope it helps!<br /><br />They don't call it "The Monster" for nothing, huh? Someday...<br /><br />mm

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>So far there have been 29 collectors that have given me data for the "Super Set". As I was looking at the spreadsheet, I noticed that there were 10 fronts from the 150/350 series that only had data for the 150 series. Here is the list of 10 cards. <br /><br />Ames Hands at Chest<br />Dahlen Boston<br />Ewing<br />Ganley<br />Hinchman Cleveland<br />Lindaman<br />Mullin Throwing<br />Pastorius<br />Schulte Front View<br />Wilhelm Hands at Chest<br /><br />Today, a collector came up with a Wilhelm Hands at Chest (SC 350 back)<br /><br />Keep the data coming, thanks, Bill

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BILL<br /><br />In the recent EPDG and 150/350 Survey Threads the following cards showed up<br /> with 350 backs......<br /><br />Dahlen....Ganley....Hinchman....Lindaman....Mulli n....Pastorius<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>dd</b><p>Hey Bill,<br /><br />Check your email, I just sent T206 data from my collection,,,<br /><br />regards all,<br />darren

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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>Hi Bill, <br /><br /> 450 plus front/back combinations in the mail. Thanks for the spreadsheet. <br />I was thinking that the rarer backs will be represented by a higher percentage in this survey than it's actual percentage in the general population. I think that many members of this board put an emphasis on the rarer backs. I (for the last 5 years) have tried to purchase as many Piedmont 350-460 factory 42s as possible. Maybe I am wrong and it will all even out in the end.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Bill,<br /><br />It's great that the list of unique front back combos is over 3000.<br /><br />How may cards were submitted in total to get this? In other words, how many duplicates are there?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />That is a good question, but unfortunately I did not keep track of how many cards each collector submitted to me. The "Super Set" currently stands at 3164 different front/back combinations. If I was to guess, the total number of cards submitted by collectors is around 15,000. Obviously there are a lot of duplicates with the Piedmonts and Sweet Caporal. If the collectors that already submitted to me, email me their total number of T206's I would be glad to add that to the spreadsheet. Still looking for data. You don't have to have a big collection to help the cause. Thanks, Bill

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Posted By: <b>Ed McCollum</b><p>Had 170 cards to go through to be able to contribute 36.<br /><br />Special thanks to Bill for all his work on this project.<br /><br />Ed<br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Bill<br /><br />Could you email me your latest up to date Spread Sheet. I'm acquiring more<br />T206's and I'd like to see if I can provide you some more inputs. However at<br /> the level of inputs that you presently have it will probably be tough.<br /><br />Ted Z......ccooney@princeton.edu<br />

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Posted By: <b>judson hamlin</b><p>Bill, I'm new to the forum- generally preferring to "fly below the radar" but my set is up to 499 cards and I have a broad variety of backs (only 83 Piedmonts), so let me know what you want. I've also (sporadically) kept records of the front/back combos on ebay/auctions/card shows since 1991 or so and would be willing to send some of that info as well.

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Posted By: <b>jackgoodman</b><p>Hi Bill, <br />Was wondering if you'll be providing an update on your totals to date. Thanks for undertaking this project.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Here are the updated totals:<br /><br />Piedmont 150 154<br />Sovereign 150 80<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 95<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 139<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 31<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 159<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 34<br />Broadleaf 350 42<br />Cycle 350 81<br />Drum 14<br />Piedmont 350 431<br />Sovereign 350 178<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 153<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 335<br /><br />American Beauty 460 40<br />Broadleaf 460 4<br />Cycle 460 40<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 96<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 35<br />Sovereign 460 43<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 32<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 47<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 33<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 74<br /><br />Carolina Brights 64<br />El Principe De Gales 91<br />Brown Hindu 118<br />Black Lenox 27<br />Old Mill 123<br />Old Mill Southern 48<br />Polar Bear 218<br />Tolstoi 83<br />Uzit 18<br />Red Hindu 20<br />Brown Lenox 1<br /><br />Keep sending in your data. Thanks, Bill<br />

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Hey Bill, I've finally got my list completed, just over 500 of the little rascals... and sent it via email. Good luck with the tabulations, Frank.

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Posted By: <b>Louis Despres</b><p>Bill, please send me your email address and will forward the list I have. Thanks, Louis

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Collectors are still sending in data for the Super Set. Here are the current totals:<br /><br />Piedmont 150 154<br />Sovereign 150 93<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 100<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 140<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 32<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 163<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 34<br />Broadleaf 350 47<br />Cycle 350 951<br />Drum 17<br />Piedmont 350 433<br />Sovereign 350 188<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 170<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 338<br /><br />American Beauty 460 42<br />Broadleaf 460 5<br />Cycle 460 44<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 97<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 37<br />Sovereign 460 46<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 35<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 47<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 33<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 75<br /><br />Carolina Brights 68<br />El Principe De Gales 107<br />Brown Hindu 123<br />Black Lenox 28<br />Old Mill 139<br />Old Mill Southern 48<br />Polar Bear 226<br />Tolstoi 97<br />Uzit 198<br />Red Hindu 20<br />Brown Lenox 2<br /><br />TOTAL of 3342. 36 collectors contributing data. Thansk, Bill<br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p>Hi Bill,<br /> I think you made a mistake on the Uzit number, 198??? Be well Brian<br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Brian,<br /><br />Didn't I tell you I found over 100 Uzit's last week. That should have been 19, instead of 198. Thanks, Bill

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Bill,<br /> That's great!!!! Send me a Cobb and I'll be happy. Or a Matty, Or a Johnson, or any old Uzit. Thanks for your efforts Brian<br /><br /><br />PS Send me an updated list when you have time, and make sure when you send the Uzit it doesn't have a Military front.

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Here are Bill's current totals in relation to theoretical possibilities:<br /><br />Format: back #found/#possible(theoretical) = %complete<br /><br />Piedmont 150 154/156 = 98.7% <br />Sovereign 150 93/153 = 60.7% <br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 100/155 = 64.5% <br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 140/154 = 90.9% <br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 32/35 = 91.4%<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 163/213 = 76.5% <br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 34/56 = 60.7% <br />Broadleaf 350 47/214 = 22.0% <br />Cycle 350 95/214 = 44.4% <br />Drum 17/214 = 7.9% <br />Piedmont 350 433/462 = 93.7% <br />Sovereign 350 188/413 = 45.5%<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 170/413 = 41.2%<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 338/414 = 81.6%<br /><br />American Beauty 460 42/54 = 77.8%<br />Broadleaf 460 5/109 = 4.6%<br />Cycle 460 44/54 = 81.5%<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 97/109 = 89.0%<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 37/109 = 33.9%<br />Sovereign 460 46/54 = 85.2%<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 35/109 = 32.1%<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 47/54 = 87.0%<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 33/109 = 30.3%<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 75/109 = 68.9%<br /><br />Carolina Brights 68/214 = 31.8%<br />El Principe De Gales 107/470 = 22.8%<br />Brown Hindu 123/190 = 64.7%<br />Black Lenox 28/109 = 25.7%<br />Old Mill 139/461 = 30.2%<br />Old Mill Southern 48/48 = 100%<br />Polar Bear 226/317 = 71.3%<br />Tolstoi 97/317 = 30.6%<br />Uzit 19/109 = 17.4%<br />Red Hindu 20/109 = 18.3%<br />Brown Lenox 2/109 = 1.8%<br /><br />As can be seen there is still a lot of work to do--especially on the tougher backs.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>I think we have a bit of a problem with the Piedmont first theory. Look at almost all the card that have not showed up with a Pied mont 350, they have Sweet Cap backs, many Sweet cap only in 350. Were there actually 2 differrent offices handling the cards and distribution? Were there maybe regional additions?<br /><br />How far away was the factory for the Piedmaont cards from the Sweet Cap cards?<br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Lee B<br /><br />1st....They were all printed by Am. Litho Co. in NYC and then distributed to the<br />various Tobacco Co. in NY, VA, OHIO, NC, etc. to insert in their Cig. packs.<br /><br />2nd....If you carefully read my current Thread it explains why certain 150/350<br /> T206 cards with P350 backs are tougher to find. Also, if you are not convinced<br /> of my theory regarding Piedmont cards being produced 1st, then at least read<br /> Bill Heitman's comments on prior posts, as he agrees with me on this subject.<br /><br />T-Rex TED <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Ted, I don't question theory but why all the Sweet cap 350 only's right now?<br /><br />The more we go through this set the questions that will arise.<br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Lee B.<br /><br />I haven't had a chance to thoroughly look at the current results, but my question<br /> for you......are these SC350's you are referring to primarily from the 150/350 series ?<br /> Or from the 350/360 series ? It makes a big differnce in answering your initial query.<br /><br />And, I might add......that just this morning I emailed Bill with a bunch of P350 cards<br /> (from the 150/350 Series) that were not on his Spread Sheet. These come to mind....<br />Dahlen (Boston), Ganley, Mullin (horiz), Tinker (hands/knees), etc.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted & Lee,<br /> Keep in mind that we are talking about "possibile combinations", not confirmed. The cards were Not released as a set, but were regionally distributed by the brand's popularity. The 350 series is probably the best example of this, as each region of the country received minor league cards of teams in there area, hence no Southern Leaguers were sent to the Northeast, and no Buffalo players ended up in the South. <br /> Also keep in mind, that Sweet Caps were very popular in the Metro areas of the east and midwest, but not nearly as popular in the rural markets. Piedmont on the other hand had widespread popularity throughout the country, and was the more dominant brand. Sales figures will probably show the 2 were very similiar in sales numbers, but most of the Sweet Cap numbers came from the large Metro areas in the East, versus Piedmont which was sold everywhere. <br /> Sorry for rambling, but they didn't put Southern Leaguers in Sweet Cap packs because not enough of them were sold in the South. <br /><br /> Be well Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BRIAN W.<br /><br />Don't be apologetic for your "ramblings". You just very succinctly described how these<br /> cardboard "gems" were distributed throughout the country<br /><br />This was really confirmed to me in the recent 400+ T206's that I acquired from an original<br />collection from South Carolina. Believe it or not, but 99% of the T206's are Piedmont cards.<br />Approx. 60% from the 150/350 Series..39% from the 350/460 Series..1% from the 460-only Series.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Ted, <br /> Quit stealing my cards!!!! The Carolina's belong to me, and Virginia too for that matter. Keep your find's above the mason-dixon, heck there are enough in PA for everybody. Be well Brian<br /><br /><br />PS Congrats on the "find". What condition were the cards in? And where in SC did you swipe them from??? <br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Ted, most of the cards that do not have a Pied 350 have only a SC 350 at this date.<br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BRIAN W.<br /><br />The fellow who I bought the cards from is not in the Carolina's. This was an original<br /> collection of his Grandfather, who grew up in SC. I would not dare to "carpetbag" in<br /> your domain.<br /><br />Approx. 67% of the cards are Ex and 25% Vg/Ex and the rest Vg (or less). No Cobb's,<br /> but Hofers like Matty, Joss, Jennings LaJoie, Tinker-Evers-Chance, etc.,etc.<br /><br />And, finally I have a decent Magee with a P150 back. Also, in this collection are some<br /> E-cards. As, I said earlier, these cards appear to be from an early production run, based<br /> on the majority Piedmont 150 backs; and, only 5 - 460 only backs. <br /><br />Incidently, 40 of the So Lgers are OLD MILL.....I think that "jives" with what we would<br /> expect from an early Piedmont collection. The P350 So Lgers came later in the<br /> game......correct?

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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>Brian,<br /> I thought I was the only one in Virginia? I think there is plenty here also.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Martin,<br /> I would agree VA is full of T206's, but I haven't been lucky enough to uncover any "finds" there in a few years. I will keep looking though.<br /><br /> Be well Brian<br /><br /><br />PS I claim any state that a family member owns land in, so I claim most of the states..... and that includes Texas Moderator Dude.

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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>Hi Brian, fellow Tar Heel<br />There is one find in Richmond that I know of. He dug out 85 t206s and t205s out of a trashcan. His uncle had thrown them away. There were in the attic of his uncle's grandfather's house and one of his relatives had just tossed them. I purchased about half of them, mostly the t205s, but I did get a t206 vg Cobb and a t206 ex Young with glove. He told me he would sell the rest to me later. Well, 18 months later and about 10 unanswered emails, I guess he has decided to keep the rest. I wish I had gotten the Mathewson black hat (probably ex) from him when I had the chance. <br />Do you ever get to the Outer Banks? Got alot of family there, it would be a great place to meet and talk vintage cards.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Martin,<br /> I feel your pain, I've been working on a guy in Western NC for a few years now that has close to 1000 T and E cards from his Grandfathers estate. His brother sold his portion a few years ago(600 cards), but this guy just won't bite. I'm assuming his half of the collection is as nice as his brother's which were almost all EX to NM. Some of them are sitting in NM/MT holders in my personal collection. <br /> It's funny you mention the OB, I was fishing for Marlin out of Hatteras at the end of July. I don't get out there as much as I did when I was at the Hill, but do go fishing a few times in June and July. I will keep you in mind for next year, as there is always room for one more on the boat and plenty of Cold Beer to go around.<br /><br /> Be well Brian<br /><br /><br />PS Find me a few Lone Jack's since you live in VA <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Brian W.<br /><br />Fellow Davidson alumnus,N54 Tim Newcomb , mentioned to me some weeks back<br />that there's a Davidson prof. who has a fabulous 206 collection.<br />You'll have to share North Carolina with him. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />Prof. Manning, I believe.<br /><br />Continue the exposition and analysis TRex. It continues to be fascinating.<br /><br />best,<br /><br />barry<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>I have a similar experience to Ted's. I started my T206 set from a large single lot, collected originally in Fredericksburg, VA. Of 504 cards, all were Piedmont with the exception of 4 Old Mills.<br /><br />There are about 100 duplicates, so this was missing about 120.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>LEE<br /><br />I looked at Bill's data and I am trying to understand what you are saying ?<br /><br />Comparing the Piedmont 350 data with Sweet Cap 350 (Factory 25-VA) data (re-<br />member all Piedmont 150 and 350 cards are Factory 25 in VA), I see 433 - P350<br /> cards to only 170 - SC350/25 cards.<br /><br />Do you see why I don't understand what you are referring to ?<br /><br />As Brian W. was telling us the Piedmont Tobacco brand was overwhelming preferred<br />by Southerners. And, indeed the Piedmont Factories were located in VA and NC (the<br /> heart of tobacco country); therefore, it's not a stretch to believe that the Piedmont<br /> T206's not only were 1st.....but I would bet that there were many more of them pro-<br />duced than any other brand of T206's.<br /><br />T-Rex TED<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />Check out these cards they only have came in SC 350 fact 30, in the 350 series in the latest update. These cards all have 150 series cards, not sure if that is where your confusion is, but the Piedmont premisie theory was based on the 150 that appear to have only Piedmont 350's , but the also appears to be SC 350 only's in fact 30's.<br /><br />Bradley Port<br />H. Davis<br />Doolin Port<br />Doyle Throwing<br />Griffith, Port<br />Jordan, Port<br />Lajioe, Throwing<br />Sullivan<br />Wilhelm, Pitch<br /><br />Plus there are a couple more that have only SC 350 backs. That is the evidence of what is going on with the SC 350 only.<br /><br />*Edited to eliminate the latest noted Pied 350.<br /><br />Lee<br />

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Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>I agree with Lee that this deserves more research. Although I have been negligent with providing Bill with my front/back data, I have Gibson, Hahn, and Herzog (Giants) with a Piedmont 350 back so those can be eliminated from Lee's list.<br><br>

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>LEE B.<br /><br />Scot Reader's extensive survey (10,000's of cards) shows 2 - Lajoie (throwing) with<br />Piedmont 350 backs.<br /><br />Lee, you are just looking at Bill's Spread Sheet (SS); and, while this is a really great<br /> start to gather all the front/back permutations in the T206 set, it is far from being<br /> conclusive. He only has 3000+ inputs at this point and I wish more Forum members<br /> would provide him inputs from their collections.<br /> With all the T206 "power" represented on this Forum, there is no excuse why Bill's SS<br /> cannot be filled up with at least 10,000+ inputs......come on guys let's do it !<br /><br />My research on these T206 backs has been the result of studying 4 different surveys,<br />which combined include approx. 17,000+ cards from this set.<br /><br />I have to run out this AM.....but when I return later today I will provide you data on<br /> all the T206's on your list.<br /><br />Best Regards, TED Z<br /><br />P.S.....I have a Lobert....P350.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Lee,<br /> I don't have an updated sheet, but will check my other info on known cards and get back with you. There's no doubt, that as the ATC cranked out more brands and more Cigs at factory 25, that they moved a lot of the Sweet Cap production to other factories, which probably explains the shortage of Sweet Cap cards from this factory. They were also inserted T58 fish cards in Sweet Cap packs here, so that may have also cut down on T206 numbers. <br /> Again, I don't think the ATC gave a lot of thought to distributing a certain number of poses with each possible back, so we will probably find more anomalies as we go forward. <br /><br /> Talk to you soon Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>LEE B.<br /><br />Two more you can scratch off your list.....<br /><br />I have a Bradley (portrait) with a Piedmont 350 back.<br /><br />In the EPDG Thread....Tom Boblitt reported having a Doyle<br />(throwing) with a P350 back.<br /><br />Next, I will be posting my other findings on the cards<br />remaining on your list.<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>From 3 different surveys, here is the data of the confirmed backs of the above<br /> listed 10 - T206's in the 150/350 Series......<br /><br />Player.............P350....Sov350....SC350<br /><br />Bradley (port)......5..........0.........1<br /><br />H. Davis..............0..........0.........2<br /><br />Doyle (throw).......1..........0.........1<br /><br />Griffith (port)........7..........0.........5<br /><br />Jordan (port)........2..........0.........0<br /><br />Lajoie (throw).......2..........0.........2<br /><br />Lobert.................1..........0.........1<b r /><br />Sullivan................3..........1.........1< br /><br />Wilhelm (pitch)......0..........0.........2<br /><br /><br />LEE....H. Davis and Wilhelm....presently, have NOT been reported with P350 backs.<br /><br />So, let's run another survey......and ask the T206 guys on this Forum to check-out<br />the backs of their cards and report to us on this Thread......<br /><br />H. Davis.............?<br /><br />Wilhelm (pitch)....?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Drew</b><p>Ted<br />H Davis SC 350<br />Wilhelm P 150<br /><br><br>Drew

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>trex et al,<br /><br />H davis sweet cap 150<br /><br />wilhelm pitch pied 150<br /><br />keep up the great analyses<br /><br />best,<br /><br />barry

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Posted By: <b>Ed McCollum</b><p>H. Davis Piedmont 150<br /><br />Wilhelm (batting) Polar Bear

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Data from the Super Set:<br /><br />Davis: Piedmont 150, SC 150 Fac 25, SC 150 Fac 30, SC 150 Fac 649, Hindu, and SC 350 Fac 30<br /><br />Wilhelm Hands at Chest: Piedmont 150, Sovereign 150, SC 150 Fac 30, SC 150 Fac 649, Hindu, and SC 350 Fac 30 <br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Ted, Lee:<br /><br />There is a Davis (H. on Front) Piedmont 350 on eBay right now.<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-1911-T206-Harry-Davis-Philadelphia-H-Davis-Front_W0QQitemZ320024670049QQihZ011QQcategoryZ8684 1QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-1911-T206-Harry-Davis-Philadelphia-H-Davis-Front_W0QQitemZ320024670049QQihZ011QQcategoryZ8684 1QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a><br /><br />I guess that just leaves Wilhelm (Hands at Chest) without Piedmont 350.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>From 3 different surveys, here is the data of the confirmed backs of the above<br />listed 10 - T206's in the 150/350 Series......<br /><br />Player.............P350....Sov350....SC350<br /><br />Bradley (port)......5..........0.........1<br /><br />H. Davis..............1..........0.........2<br /><br />Doyle (throw).......1..........0.........1<br /><br />Griffith (port)........7..........0.........5<br /><br />Jordan (port)........2..........0.........0<br /><br />Lajoie (throw).......2..........0.........2<br /><br />Lobert.................1..........0.........1<b r /><br />Sullivan................3..........1.........1< br /><br />Wilhelm................0..........0.........2<b r />(hands/chest)<br /><br /><br /><br />Just what we need....another survey....OK, you T206 guys on this Forum, check-out<br />the backs of your cards and report to us on this Thread......<br /><br />And, now we have just one left standing......<br /><br />Wilhelm (hands/chest)....?<br /><br /><br />THANKS SCOT......you keep disovering these elusive P350 cards.....you sure are some "super sleuth".<br /><br />Best Regards......T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Larrie Dean</b><p>Add Bradley Sweet Caporal 350 (1)<br />Griffith (portrait) Piedmont 150 (2)<br />Griffith (portrait) Sweet Caporal 150 (1)

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>Lee-Ted<br /><br />Not sure how this fits but Doolin portrait<br />backs I have <br />Piedmont 150<br />Sweet Cap 350 factorey 25<br />Sweet cap 150 factory 25<br /><br />Sweet Caporal Factory 25 is more difficult than what most think.But still can be found on ebay.The order of difficulty is 350/460 than 150 and the easiest is 350.

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Here is mine:<br /><br />Pied 150:<br />Bradly, H. Davis, Doyle, Griffith, Wwilhelm<br /><br />SC 150 30:<br />Jordan, Sullivan<br /><br />SC 150 25:<br />Lobert<br /><br />SC150 649:<br />Lajoie<br /><br />SC 350, 30:<br />Sullivan<br /><br />Lee<br />

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Posted By: <b>jackgoodman</b><p>Bill,<br /><br />Just ran across a stray sitting in another box of cards (ok, so I'm not that organized), but wanted to add it to the super set list:<br /><br />Kleinow - Boston, Tolstoi back<br /><br />Thanks.

Can I get a copy of the most recent spreadsheet from someone? I had one once and then lost it. My roughly 1100 were logged on it so it will be fun to start over!

Chuck