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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Let's make this a simple poll. All I would like to see is a 1. yes or no 2. yes or no...<br /><br /><br />1. Is soaking glue or paper off of a card ok to do? <br />2. Is erasing a pencil or pen mark ok to do?<br /><br /><br />PLEASE only post a 1 and 2 and yes or no...we'll see what the prevailing thoughts are.....<br />thanks<br />moderator dude

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>1.yes<br />2.yes

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p>1. Yes<br />2. Yes

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Posted By: <b>Sean</b><p>1. yes<br />2. yes

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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>1. no <br />2. yes

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Posted By: <b>Scott</b><p>1. no<br />2. yes

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>1. A qualified yes, if it doesn't alter the surface of the card in any way.<br />2. No.

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>1. yes<br />2. no<br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>Joe Jones</b><p>1. yes<br />2. no

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p><font color=blue>1. Yes<br />2. Yes</font><br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>1 No<br />2 No

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>1. no<br /><br />2. no

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>I'd love to elaborate on my answer... but since short and sweet is the request -<br /><br />1) Yes<br /><br />2) Yes

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>1. NO NO NO<br />2. Yes

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>1. YES<br /><br />2. NO<br /><br /><br />(I too would love to elaborate)<br /><br />edited ....to change answer 1 to yes. (moderator)

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Posted By: <b>Chris Bland</b><p>1. No<br />2. Yes

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>1 yes<br />2 yes<br><br>People said it was a million dollar wound. But the government must keep that money, cause I ain't never seen a penny of it.

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Posted By: <b>Kenny Cole</b><p>1. Yes<br /><br />2. Yes

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Posted By: <b>dstudeba</b><p>1. I don't think so<br />2. no

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Posted By: <b>Rob Fouch</b><p>1. yes<br />2. yes

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>1. no<br />2. no

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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>1. no<br />2. no

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>1. Yes<br />2. Yes<br />

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Posted By: <b>martindl</b><p><br />1. No<br /><br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>DJ</b><p>1) YES<br />2) YES

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Posted By: <b>Dean H</b><p>1. No<br /><br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>Keith O'Leary</b><p><P>Yes</P><P>Yes</P><P>&nbsp;</P>

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Posted By: <b>Troy</b><p>1. Yes<br /><br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>Henry Eshelman</b><p>1. Yes<br />2.Yes<br><br>Thanks, Henry Eshelman<br /><br />Website:www.freewebs.com/vintagebaseball

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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>1. Yes<br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>Gary Nuchereno</b><p>1. yes<br />2. yes

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>1.yes<br />2.yes<br />

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>1. no<br />2. pencil yes. if erasing pen means using chemicals, no.

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Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p>1. Yes<br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>1. yes<br />2. yes<br /><br />both answers assume no chemicals are used.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave Seaborn</b><p>1. yes<br />2. yes

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>1 yes<br />2 yes<br /><br />Good questions.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Erasing of pen or pencil would only be done with an art type eraser...no chemicals or anything else....feel free to modify any responses as this wasn't clear.....erasing is only with an eraser...

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Posted By: <b>Griffin's</b><p>1. yes<br />2. yes<br /><br />(but I"d need to elaborate as well, as those are only 51% yes answers in each case)

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Posted By: <b>Ray</b><p>1. Yes<br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>aro13</b><p>1. Yes<br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>Rich W.</b><p>1. Yes<br />2. Yes

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>Totals thus far:<br /><br />1. yes - 27<br /> no - 13<br /><br />2. yes - 24<br /> no - 16

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>1. Yes<br />2. Yes

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Posted By: <b>Rick</b><p>1-Yes<br />2-Yes<br /><br />( No chemicals for 1 or 2)

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Posted By: <b>Seth B.</b><p>1 - yes<br />2 - yes<br /><br />(no chemicals, keep or sell with transparency about restoration).

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>yes<br />yes

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Posted By: <b>jackgoodman</b><p>1. yes<br />2. yes

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Posted By: <b>Brian E.</b><p>1. No<br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>1. Yes<br /><br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>Bill K</b><p>1. yes<br />2. yes<br><br>My personal collection - <a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/</a>

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Yes I would like to modify my eraser NO.<br /><br />I have no problem with erasing light pencil marks on cards. Especially my Zeenuts and especially since I intend on keeping the cards in my personal collection and they are not being acquired for re-sale. I just find it more asthetically pleasing to have the pencil marks erased. I use an art-gum eraser.<br /><br />As for soaking my answer remains NO.<br /><br />Steve- your above answered has been modified.....need to start from scratch to get an accurate percentage.... (leon)

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Posted By: <b>Richard Masson</b><p>1. yes<br />2. yes

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>New Tally:<br /><br />1. Yes - 34 - 72%<br /> No - 13<br /><br />2. Yes - 29 - 62%<br /> No - 18

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>1. Yes (I'd like to make this for non-sale, collection only soaking but I've already heard the rebuttals on that).<br />2. Yes

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Posted By: <b>RayB</b><p>1. No <br />2. No<br /><br />RayB

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Posted By: <b>Alan Elefson</b><p>1. No<br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>steve yawitz</b><p>1. Y<br />2. Y

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>yes<br />yes

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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>1-yes 2-yes

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>1. no<br />2. no

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Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>1-yes<br />2-yes

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Posted By: <b>Brad Freeman</b><p>1. Yes<br />2. Yes

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Drum</b><p>1. yes<br />2. yes

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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>1. YES<br />2. YES

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>1. Yes<br />2. Yes

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Posted By: <b>Eric B</b><p>1. Yes<br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>1.Yes<br />2.Yes<br><br>Frank

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Posted By: <b>Joe Tocco</b><p>1. No<br />2. No

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>yes<br />yes<br /><br /><br /><br />barry

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Posted By: <b>Chuck</b><p>Yes<br />Yes

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>No need to go much longer...here are the final results....<br /><br />1. Is soaking glue or paper off of a card ok to do? <br /><br />YES- 49..... 74.2%<br />NO- 17..... 25.8% <br /><br /><br /><br />2. Is erasing a pencil or pen mark ok to do?<br /><br />YES- 43..... 65.1%<br />NO- 23..... 34.9%<br /><br /><br />The numbers really speak for themselves....<br />I am surprised that the Yes's were that low....but I guess this is what it is.....Thanks to all who participated...

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>I think the numbers would be dramatically different if the entire card collecting hobby were polled. My guess is that if another forum such as the PSA forum took the same poll that it would be overwhelmingly against card soaking and erasing.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>We aren't the CU boards....After looking at those boards a few times I would kindly place my bets on this board for experience knowledge...though I am sure they are some nice people over there too....And you know the old saying.....if cows pooped butter you wouldn't have to churn <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>Maybe then card soaking and erasing is acceptable for this vintage forum and not the overall hobby?

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>btw I have never heard of that old saying.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I guess if you did a poll on the other board we would know. Less than that and I don't think we should make that assumption....Like I say those are good folk over there and I would let them speak for themselves. This board has spoken in the survey given....

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>One thing to note is that conservation exprets will tell you that it is not good to keep antique prints incontact with wood, glue and old paper. Even when the print is in an antique wooden frame and matte, the conservator will recommend you remove the print and rematte it in proper paper, for preservation of the print. My guess is that many conservators would recommend that an expensive baseball card be removed from old paper scrap and glue to help preserve the card. <br /><br />My question is if a conservator said that, while the card may look fine for the five years you've owned it, that leaving glue and acidic paper affixed will likely damage the card over the next 10,20,50 years-- would people then be more willing to have the paper and glue removed?

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>I am not disagreeing with you. The results would be interesting to see. I also agree that the participants in the forum are different than the participants in the Beckett and CU forums, just like prewar card might be different than modern cards. <br /><br />Frankly, I am shocked that the results show that soaking and erasing cards are acceptable. I believe in certain states, alterations of this kind must be disclosed and there may be civil penalties or criminal penalties or both if the alterations are not disclosed. I have been buying cards for a long time and I cannot remember reading a description disclosing this type of alteration. If alterations were so acceptable by the hobby at large, then I do not believe it would be a big deal to list the work done in the auction descriptions. If alterations were so acceptable, I do not believe there would be statutes mandating disclosure.

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Posted By: <b>MikeU</b><p>A little late, but I am in Korea:<br /><br />1. Yes<br />2. Yes <br /><br />Both based on Leon's no chemicals statement.