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Posted By: <b>bruce dorskind</b><p>Whilst I greatly enjoy the Board and welcome the<br />comments of the new collectors and new members,<br /><br />I am quite disappointed that so very few of the recent<br />pick ups are super high grade cards.<br /><br />A rough calculation of Feb-April pick ups indicates that<br />less than 3% of the cards shown were graded 7 or higher.<br /><br />It is only when Marshall Fogel or another long-time<br />collector posts that we have the opportunity to see<br />the high (or highest) graded speciments.<br /><br />Furthermore, there are virtually no 7's, 8's or 9's for<br />sale on the B/S/T section.<br /><br />Do we have to wait for the quarterly Mastro auction<br />or the annual REA auction to see the hobby's finest<br />material...<br /><br />When it comes to rare baseball cards, nothing is<br />more important than the quality of the image. Next is .the grade!!<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br /><br />Bruce<br /><br />America's Toughest Want List<br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I couldn't agree more although I doubt that many people on this board do.<br /><br />Perhaps its because many or at least one believes that if it is psa 7 or better it must be trimmed.
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Posted By: <b>Chris Mc</b><p>While everyone is different in what they collect, not all can afford a rare card in 7 or better. Its nice to see rare cards in 7 plus grades but percentage wise(population reports)there just aren't that many. It's hard for me to collect cards in higher grades on what I take home. I have some nice cards but not that many. I think a lot of people would rather have 6 cards at a 3-5 range than just one 9.
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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>Uhhh . . . Bruce, if the cards you are looking for are so commonplace, it wouldn't be called "America's Toughest Want List" would it now? For many pre-war sets, 5's are outstanding and a 6 is the equivalent of a 9 or better for Topps and Bowman from 1948 on. I have a 1923 Curtis Ireland "Rube" Marquard card that is a PSA 5. PSA has only graded five "5's" from that set, with no "6's". SGC has graded six "5's" from that set, with one "6". So is my PSA 5 Marquard a high grade card or is it "collector's grade"?<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>super high grade is not important to me unless I'm selling. I actually enjoy the patina of time and handling. The history of the human touch is part of the charm.
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Back about 8-9 years ago I had this discussion with John Spencer. I was buying his E102 Cobby and I asked him "should I collect more mid grade or fewer nmt type cards?" I chose more cards. As you said Bruce, it's the image we are looking for. Borders were made so the image wouldn't be disrupted with wear to them. I collect cards that have a good aesthetic quality. The borders, as long as they aren't trimmed, are not that important to me. Don't get me wrong, I still like high grade cards, I just can't justify them with my collecting resources..BTW, lmk of all of those truly nmt Just So's and Four Base Hits you have ever seen.....best regards
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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>My finest material is better than your finest material. Seriously, this sounds so OC that I'm apt to get a brain aneurysm if I pay that much mind to what someone else says is a "fine specimen." I have the "Worlds Easiest Wantlist of pictures of grown dead men in baseball uniforms", and the more I can add to my family, the merrier. Viva! the mid-grade! Long live affordable cards for the "true collector".
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Posted By: <b>Brad</b><p>I was told to buy the card not the grade! How many times have you said to yourself "man, that guy payed how much!" just for the grade 7, 8 or higher. It doesn't make any senses for a newbie to pay some outrages prices so he can look at the grade, besides you could basically get the same card for more then 50% less cost if you bought a 4,5 or even a raw card.<br /><br /><br />"Always looking for 1923 V117 Maple Crispette cards"<br /><br />business_1012002@yahoo.ca<br /><br />Brad
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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Bruce: Please feel free to post 'em.
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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>Snobbiness about baseball cards? (My apologies if I'm misinterpreting the sentiment.)<br /><br />--Chad
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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>I'll bite. Yankeefan... From one that collects the whale guano of the vintage world. It's the dirty, scrubbums that win the titles ala the '04 Boston Idiots. Not the *hifalutin, sterile, over-paid prettyboys Jeter, Arod, Sheffield! Okay, that was a wee stretch, but you get the gist. Anyway nice troll.<br /><br />*Any reference to the Bombers was intended as an example only.
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>so.....<br /><br />....who do ya'll like in the Kentucky Derby Saturday?
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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Chad, you didn't misinterpret anything. Bruce is a snob. That's fine. He has very specific collecting goals that differ from 99% of this board. <br /><br />I've said it before and I'll say it again; I've been on both sides of the specturm and I'll take well loved cards over sterile, NM+ examples any day. PSA7 and up may look nice but they lack character. They remind too much of card you just popped out of a pack from the store. <br /><br />Like Leon, my first criteria is picture. I could care less about the boarder. Writing and other things don't bother me as long as it doesn't affect the picture of the player.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.attic2cash.net/cards/gehrig.jpg"><br /><br />This Gehrig would never pass muster with Bruce or Jim C, but this card was dearly loved William Orsatti and he wanted to make sure that if it disappeared, he would be able to identify it and get it back. I'll take a card like this over a PSA7+ and day.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I like to sit outside, drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home, I would be arrested. So, I go to baseball games and fit right in.
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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>>When it comes to rare baseball cards, nothing is<br />>more important that the quality of the image...the <br />>grade!!<br /><br />You sound confused. So what is it? Is image the most important or is grade the most important criteria?<br /><br />For certain cards, especially the photographic ones like OJs, image quality is the most important feature. That does not necessarilly mean a great technical PSA grade. Conversely, cards with high PSA technical grades sometimes have faint or faded images.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>Real snobs wouldn't appreciate a baseball card if you had a PSA 10 Reccius Wagner. Being a snob about baseball cards is like being a gourmet of vending machine snack cakes. We do this because we love it even if our reasons for loving it baffle even ourselves. If you want to impress the beautiful people, you're probably better off with cars or boats or art by famous, dead painters.<br /><br />--Chad
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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>So Steve, are you telling me no Red Sox fan collect high grade cards? It's always funny to hear the Red Sox crying about money when they are consistently the 2nd highest paid team in the league.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>Nope. Most New Englanders are clever with their investments... Though we will pay $10 for a hot dog, $50 to park at Kenmore and $80 for bleacher seats.
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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>Bruce,<br /><br />Here are some reasons you see few high grade cards posted here. <br /><br />- there just aren't that many. If there were, they wouldn't be tough to find. So you should expect to see very few of them here or on ebay. Vargha said it nicely.<br /><br />- as you see from this thread, there are many here that do not appreciate high grade cards as you do. Many think it isn't worth their money...some think they are trimmed. They are all entitled to their opinions of course. Even the threads with Marshall Fogel's cards you see a lot of sly remarks.<br /><br />- edited to add: there are also some that are jealous of the money you can spend. they may also be pissed that people with money spending on cards are pushing the prices up so they can only afford the beaters. just a fact of life.
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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>Am I the only one that thinks that Crandell, Dorskind, and "The Mint Man" should hook up and form the "triumvarate of carddom?"?
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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>This has got to be one of the most obnoxious posts Ive ever read - everyone beat up on Lee a few weeks ago for his post regarding those who purchase high grade cards. This post is no better. <br /><br />I like high grade cards as much as the next guy, but I have to agree that the image is the most important thing. Offer me an SGC 10 that looks like this and I will take it everyday (for what its worth, the $50 I spent on this card makes it much more satisfying than the $5000 I'd have to spend on it if it were an sgc 88):<br /><br /><img src="http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/jkrasner2/File0783Small.jpg">
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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>The back must have a photo of Rosie O'Donnell or something on it to warrant that grade!<br /><br />--Chad<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>Chad, I'd probably have had to pass on the card if it had Rosie O'Donnell on the back <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Just a touch of paperloss from a scrapbook removal.
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Posted By: <b>Seth B.</b><p>"Dear me, Jeeves, I've noticed that nobody's spending $25,000 on cardboard in the B/S/T this month!" <br />What an arrogant post! I think the answer is clear: my wallet isn't a mile wide, and I'm happy to be able to collect at all. Anyway, the original poster sounds despaired that he has to wait for the auctions, but I'll tell you, I'd be terrified of buying blue-chip cards off of the B/S/T in the first place, unless my brother or maybe Leon was selling them.
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Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p>Collecting is an individual pursuit and whether:<br /><br />1) We cherish only super rare items in pristine condition, which Bruce you do collect and collect very well.<br /><br />2) We are looking for "beaters" to finish a type card collection or a set<br /><br />3) Whether we attempt to collect every version of John Lackey cards.<br /><br />4) Whether we collect items relating to our birthday or college or favorite team<br /><br />5) Whether we collect friends in the hobby and knowledge and disseminate that information<br /><br />6) Whatever we collect, there is one cardinal rule<br /><br />Everyone is deserving of respect for what they collect and how they collect. <br /><br />Rich Klein<br />
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Posted By: <b>Rob NYC</b><p>Josh, that is a freakingly AWESOME poor! Mind if I join ya? I got the same grade, but not as sharp as yours!<br /><br /><img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Gallery19/Graded/TinkerPOR-PSA1-150.jpg"> <img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Gallery19/Graded/BresnahanPOR-PSA1-150.jpg"> <img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Gallery19/Graded/TinkerPOR-SGC10.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>Rob - <br /><br />The more the merrier - I love cards like those (in fact, I think you outbid me for that sgc tinker not too long ago).
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Posted By: <b>Rob NYC</b><p>Ah! Sorry about that.
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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>I have specific areas that I covet. I drift off occasionally when something is just too neat to pass on. The cards I purchase, and the price I pay for them, depends on the rarity of the particular issue. I would be foolish to hold out for only 8's or 9's on the George C. Miller issues, or the U S Caramels. So grade 5's will have to do on those. On the other hand, 8's in the Diamond Star set are not that hard to find. On the ultra rare issues, sometimes I have to settle for a 1 or 2, if there are only 15 of each in existance. For me, I try and obtain the highest grades possible. But I have to be reasonable, sometimes the price also does not warrant putting too much cash into a single card. Why would I tie up large amounts of cash on the #1 card in the 34 Goudey set, by buying a grade 8, when a grade 5 will do? that frees up cash to obtain more things that fit my interest. But I must admit, I do try and get the best that I can. If that makes me a card snob, so be it. I also have about 30,000 cards from the late 50's and early 60's, that I collected as 8 year old kid. All beat to heck. But I played with them, and me and my friends had a ball with them. All most every friend I had collected cards. They are all probably all 2's and 3's, but I will never part with them. The memories are too great. So yes, I do appreciate "aged" cards also. Sometimes a well worn 206 is beautiful, I must admit.<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>I appreciate the high condition stuff, and my hats off to the folks with the means and desire to collect them. I just don't get the chest beating, I guess.<br /><br />--Chad
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Chad, I think you bring up a good point. A baseball card snob is hardly a snob in the real spectrum of snobbery. I don't know that Bruce (and Jim) are trying to again stir up class warfare; I think (hope) that Bruce is simply noting that as a high grade collector, he finds it frustrating to not be able to look in the B/S/T board and find high grade cards for sale that he'd like to buy. For what it's worth, I've had that frustration at times, too, even though I recognize that it's ludicrous to expect exactly what I want to buy - in the grade I want - to be staring at me in that forum. And Jay, I'm convinced you're from another time and planet and otherwise out of your mind -- yet if you ever make your way to NYC you need to call me so we can go out for a few beers. (by the way, that Gehrig card with the boy's name scrawled on it is, in my opinion, precious)
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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>This one's an SGC 84 and it's for sale. AND it's even a hall of famer.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cubanbaseballauctions.com/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=570" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.cubanbaseballauctions.com/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=570</a><br /><br />--Chad
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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>If you guys ever have that beer, I'll tag along if you'll have me. I'm on the Upper East Side.<br /><br />--Chad
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I fully endorse what Rich Klein says in that "everyone is deserving of respect for what they collect and how they collect" and agree with King's comments on why few high grade cards are posted here.<br /><br />I consider myself as passionate a collector as there is but I would never buy a card under a SGC or PSA 7 and hope to do all sets I collect in PSA 8 or better. If I have under a 7 in my set based on a raw card I have submitted, for purposes of building my sets I traet it like I don't have it. Some say as long as the picture is intact they will buy the card--to me equally important are centering, corner wear and overall condition of the card.<br /><br />For those who say you will never collect certain sets because those cards don't exist--I agree.<br /><br />Enjoy the board and everyones comments.<br /><br />Jim
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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>Seems such a strange post, that anyone who has spent time reading and or participating on this board would think such a statement would bring anything but scorn and ridicule...........?<br /><br />Perhaps, maybe, it was a calculated thought, and a little pot stirring was really what Bruce was after?<br /><br />Otherwise, it seems just plain dumb.
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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>rich said it very well. thanks rich.<br />all collectors deserve respect, regardless of what you think of their collections. <br /><br />is it too much to ask to be respectful of one another?<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>Bruce, I implore you to answer your own question. What types of responses did you expect? You either think that we are all hiding our high end cards (and I cannot imagine that you truly believe this) or you are implicating most members of this board as being low-class collectors of cards not deemed worthy by your standards. Collect what you prefer. Sorry that we have disappointed you with the lack of high quality material.
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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Jeff and Chad, if I ever make it to NYC again, I will be more than happy to grab a few beers with you guys. Jeff, you aren't the first person wonder the things you do about me. It's very possible that I do come from a another planet and different temporal reality <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Too bad I can't travel back in time.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I like to sit outside, drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home, I would be arrested. So, I go to baseball games and fit right in.
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Posted By: <b>Andrew Parks</b><p><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/376260/thread/1146707314/last-1146748779/SGC+84+T205+Matty" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/376260/thread/1146707314/last-1146748779/SGC+84+T205+Matty</a><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Jerry</b><p>It's the GAME stupid!! I would hope most of us collect because We Love Baseball, and want to own a piece of the past. I hate it when the size and quality of your collection becomes a Status symbol... The fun of this hobby to me has always been about the game and The thrill of the search. Anybody with enough money can acquire a world class collection in short order. We all want nice cards in our collection, and are proud of what we do have. Some collect Beaters and some collect T206 Wagners and most of us are in the twain, but as long as were all having fun and enjoying the hobby, thats all that matters. <br />Happy collecting<br />Jerry
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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Bruce,<br />Let's see some of yours. You ask the question, yet I have not seen you post any of your high-grade cards. Why not?<br /><br />My collecting in terms of grade is all over the map. I have high-grade, mid-grade and low-grade cards. I usually only go for lower grades when I really love the card and it is very tough even in mid-grade and it has good eye appeal like the card Josh posted. For example I have a PSA 2 purple E94 Cobb that I love as much or more than some of my PSA 8s.<br />JimB
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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>I would rather have a set of low-grade T206 variations (anyone have a Lundgren????) than a PSA 9 Fred Beck. To me, it seems elementary, but to those who insist on collecing high-grade material, go for it.<br /><br />This is akin to the argument that I would rather pay a bunch of money for a T-card than a Picasso, but I'm not going to get irritated with the art snobs.<br /><br />"Whatev!"
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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>"Being a snob about baseball cards is like being a gourmet of vending machine snack cakes."<br /><br />Thanks Chad, that was my smile of the week <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>I think many collectors are not as enamored with PSA 10s, as PSA 10 collectors think they should be. Some collectors desire a card to look Gem Mint while others desire their 1910 card to look as if it was from 1910. There's no right or wrong involved there.<br /><br />My retired neighbor is a collector of antique English silver. He said that especially for large display pieces like a tea set, some collectors prefer the silver to look brand new, while others prefer it to be in nice shape but resemble its old age. He said it was a matter of the collector's taste.
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>My guess is this would be about 100k in an SGC84 or SGC88 holder....but for 1/4 of that I got it and am very happy to have the extra money to pay the collection agency folks always calling me...Would pointed corners really make it 75k more valuable? I guess to many it would... <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><img src="http://luckeycards.com/pn167ewing.jpg">
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Posted By: <b>Jim Crandell</b><p>DavidCycleback,<br /><br />no right or wrong--exactly.<br /><br />But count me among those who would rather have 1 psa 9 than 9 psa 1s--especially if it is a pop 1.
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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Gee JimB I was wondering the same thing.<br /><br />I am sure alot of the fact that people don't post is the same reason I asked about the T206 Cobb Green, that sure looked short. Bruce, You can probably blame me for alot not being posted. I do not post unless I feel it is relavent and warrant a discussion.<br /><br />I posted the cards I thought were suspect in the current REA auction on the T206 high graded set and asked for opinions whether I was wrong in my assumptions. How many responses did I get. One, From Jim and he asked the question and did not tell me I was wrong in my assumption.<br /><br />The majority of this board is not high income collectors, contrary to what it may seem.<br /><br />I can neither confirm or deny that Jay is not of this earth because he is older and was here before me, but it would be nice to know that he is not blood. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Lee
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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>A rough calculation of Feb-April pick ups indicates that<br />less than 3% of the cards shown were graded 7 or higher.<br /><br />Well Bruce, what percentage of graded cards are 7 or higher?<br /><br />_________________________________________________ __________<br /><br /><br />Furthermore, there are virtually no 7's, 8's or 9's for<br />sale on the B/S/T section<br /><br />How many 7s, 8s and 9s are you selling, Bruce?
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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>This isn't the 1st intemperate post he's made w.r.t the card collecting habits of the hoi polloi (I happily include myself in that category, BTW). Just ignore it.<br /><br />Most of what I collect does not exist in higher grades and you have to take what you can find; if you resolve only to collect tip top condition prewar cards, you wait a long time between acquisitions. I know that would bore me to tears. <br /><br />Chad: don't diss us snack cake connoisseurs. How do you think I built this physique, whole grains, veggies and lean proteins? Little Chocolate Donuts rule! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Andrew Parks</b><p>Bruce,<br /><br />After these types of posts, I honestly wonder why you bought a PSA 5 Harry Davis Plow's from me about a year ago. I also wonder why you dickered me down to get it.<br /><br />I'm not trying to start anything...but it doesn't make sense to me.
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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Whenever any board member takes him or her herself too seriously (and we all do at times), go and tell someone on the street that you are a collector of baseball cards, and watch how seriously you are taken. ("Isn't that cute. My daughter collects Britany Spears cards. Maybe you can compare collections.") Realize that the general population considers collecting baseball cards on the significance level of collecting beanie babies and collector's plates. Good clean fun no doubt, but hardly anything to act snooty over.<br /><br />If in your mind you exchange the word 'beanie baby' for 'baseball card' in the heated Net54 board debates debates, you can see how silly the arguments will appear to outsiders. Remember, that there are companies that grade and authenticate beanie babies too.<br /><br />I've wondered what involves the bigger foolishness, an adult paying $100 but a AAA paperstock cutout or an adult paying $100,000 for a PSA 10 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle. My guess is that the average person on the street would pick the latter. If you explained that the Mantle purchase is not foolish financially as others will pay similarly for the card and the auction price required like-minded underbidders, this non-collector might say that this merely shows that there are more numerous fools.
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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>David,<br />At least you get the Brittney Spears response. When I tell someone I collect baseball cards, they avert their eyes and suddenly remember they have to pick up their dry cleaning.
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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>When i tell someone I collect cards, they ask: "oh, do you want to buy my 80s and 90s crap?"<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>i remember when one of my nephews was promoted to asst. mgr. of kentucky fried chicken and would barely speak to any of the family for a bit because<br />of his new high ranking.<br />i also remember seeing the dalai lama(with sweat pouring from his face) offer his fan to a person standing<br />near him during the hottest of weather.<br />last week, i saw a former provost of a major univ. pushing a walker as best<br />he could, begging to go home (while waiting to have dental work).<br /><br />they are baseball cards. they are tremendous fun. <br />they do help bring about fabulous dialogues and friends.<br /><br />but they are as the song says 'nothing to get hung up about.'<br /><br />barry<br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Post a few; I'd rather look at her than a bunch of dead white guys in baggy uni's <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>As far as trolls go this was a pretty good one. The bait was stinky and the catch far exceeded the legal limit.<br />
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Posted By: <b>martin dalziel</b><p><br />I like Rich's summation. Each to their own and why pass judgement on anyone over their collecting habits. <br /><br />My means don't allow me to collect high grade. I would if i could but i can't, but..........<br /><br />If i could collect high grade i'd be a lot less likely to post them in the 'recent pick up' threads than the stuff i do post today. Why? Because, and I'm talking about me only here, I wouldn't want to look like I'm showing off. I feel that way sometimes today with the "look what i've got" posts i make, so I know it would multiply multifold.<br /><br />Maybe there are others who feel the same way and thats why you don't see so many high-grade posts.
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Posted By: <b>Mike Ernst</b><p>This type of disparity of viewpoints is not unique to the baseball card hobby, as pointed out earlier.<br />There are those who look down their nose at anyone who has a vintage Corvette with wrong color paint job, incorrect wheels, improper air cleaner, etc., etc.<br />There are those who look at those with correct paint, wheels, air cleaner, etc., etc. as snobs.<br />And there are those who just like Corvettes and have enough ego strength to be comfortable.<br />I prefer to be around the third group, myself, and prefer those who just enjoy baseball cards rather than being superior or inferior.
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>Maybe people just don't want to sell their 7's, 8's and 9's on the BST. Does that mean that there's something wrong with the BST? No, it just means that people that use the BST aren't interested in selling their higher graded cards via this channel (or at all). <br /><br />Bruce, just out of curiosity, you say you have the toughest want list - I'm assuming that means that you are looking for the exotic, the rare and the truly difficult to find material. Why don't you let us know what are the grades of the cards you're finding from your toughest want list. <br /><br />Just a thought, if people pick up nice material from Mastro, REA and the likes then the high grade cards in question are available for your viewing pleasure and your want list (if any cards on your want list are in those auctions) at the auction sites and it wouldn't be necessary for you to have to filter through all the drivel in the BST and the pick-up threads. <br /><br />Like people have mentioned, some of the "toughest" cards aren't available in 7's, 8's and 9's. Perhaps it's all relative and subjective to what we each consider "tough".
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Bruce,<br />When you posted in the BST that you had recently acquired some high-grade E93s I sent you a private e-mail asking about what you picked up because I am also a high-grade E93 collector and was simply curious about what is out there. You would not tell me what you had and sent back a rather curt response. If that is your approach, why would you expect others to share their collections here?<br />JimB
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p><br /><br />To the Board<br /><br />I asked a simple question "Which is why more high grade cards were not posted?"<br /><br />I never questioned why some people collect ungraded cards or cards graded in 3, 4 or 5.<br /><br />It never ceases to amaze me how many insecure collectors there are who personalize<br />anything which questions their right to collect what they want.<br /><br />In fact, I have posted a number of items included the highest known graded Just So<br />and the second highest graded Four Base Hit.<br /><br />In the past three months I have picked up 35 rare type cards (E, R and T) graded 7 8 or 9.<br /><br />The problem in posting has had more to do with bandwith and difficulty in posting from<br />my MAC to the Board...nothing else. <br /><br />I could care less if someone has $100M collection or a $100 collection.<br /><br />What I do care about is the attitude of some collectors who believe that those of us <br />who wish to spend our billions on baseball cards don't have the right to collect what<br />we wish. They take some pride in collecting beaters.<br /><br />Funny, look at what sells in the coin hobby or in art..In my view the 8 and 9 cards<br />from the rare sets are the masters.<br /><br />With regard to the comment of why I purchased a PSA 5 Plows Candy...and negotiated with<br />the seller...my goal is to obtain the cards I want at the best possible price. The seller<br />was not under any obligation to sell to me. In fact, I sold the card for double what I paid<br />him three months later and obtained a plows candy in a grade 7 with the profit.<br /><br />So call me a snob, an elitist or a capitalist...but I am a true collector who has always attemped<br />to buy the very best cards in top condition. I bought my PSA 6 Just So from Rob Lifson for<br />500 in 1977. That was a record price and I have no problem paying record prices if I like<br />the card...even if I don't care for the seller.<br /><br />Everyone should collect what they like and enjoy the hobby. It is after all a hobby. <br />It is those that condem the hobby's finest collections who are doing the judging. And in my book their <br />judgement would not even warrant a grade of 1 from any service. ever.<br /><br />Bruce
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Richard Masson</b><p>Jay, Bill Orsatti called. <br />He wants his card back.
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Is it just me or does Bruce simply just come off as a complete tool?
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Id like to see a 7,8,9 of one of these cards!! If they exist you can count them on one hand.<br /><br />T204 square, T208, T214, T215 Pirate, T216 Kotton paper, T216 Virginia Extra, T217, E97 B&W, E99, E100, E104, E107, E221, E222, E223, E224, E271, Orange Border, Base-Ball Bats, All Star Base-Ball, J=K, Wash. Times, Balt. News, Big Eater, Western Playground, D303 Mothers, D380, D380-1, 1915 W-Unc., etc., etc.<br /><br />And this list from the top of my head is only from sets between 1909-1916!<br />There are dozens more.......<br /><br />Many of these "type" cards I would be happy with one that was torn, glued, taped, doodled on, etc. I would be happy with a "1" grade!<br /><br />98% of the so called high grade rare cards are not rare at all, they are only rare in their grade. As a "type" collector, I take what I can find, some of these are only offered once every few years in any grade.
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>...because it takes time to soak and stretch, then re-cut the cards into PSA 7, 8 and 9's......
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>Greg, did you mean stool or tool?<br /><br />Edited to add: Frank, nicely stated.
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Hey Fred,<br /><br />What I really meant, I could not post but if the shoe fits...<br /><br />Greg
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>It was never a goal of mine to have the world's finest collection or to take pride in paying record prices for cards. That's the kind of crap Mr. Mint advertises and that is what has turned the hobby into an industry. Worse yet, it has made the hobby a competitive outlet for some individuals. Join a flag football team or a bowling league. Collecting cards is enjoyable for me and a diversion. I look forward to someday telling my son and hopefully daughter stories about the football and baseball players in my collection. If collecting is an ego thing then you are in it for the wrong reasons. Bragging about prices and having the cards with the sharpest corners....BFD. You hurl accusations of insecurity; take a look in the mirror pal.
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Bruce,<br /><br />Sounds as if you have a great collection.<br /><br />Nothing like PSA or SGC 8s and 9s in pre-war(in my opinion).<br /><br />I'd love to see them.<br /><br />Jim
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>Bruce, you're a pompous ass.<br /><br />My comment only came back graded an "Authentic", but I'm happy with it!<br /><br /><br />Regards<br />Daniel
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>If the market for mid-grade cards collapsed--that is, those of us who deal with the world of creases and dinged corners decided since we can't afford the "best" then screw it--what would happen to the value of the higest grade cards? That is, what would happen if only the handful of collectors, relatively, were left to duke it out for the 8's and 9's while the 5's and lowers went completely ignored because the large mass of card collectors abandoned the hobby? This is kind of rhetorical as I think the entire hobby would collapse but I'm often wrong. Am I wrong? Again, this isn't to knock the high end collectors, but just to say I think it's healthy for the hobby that people have a passion for the high and low end of the spectrum.The publicity of the high end stuff attracts collectors and the low end stuff allows them to actually participate. So yeah, tool and stool sound about right.<br /><br />--Chad<br /><br />Oh yeah, and I wasn't knocking snack cakes. My preference runs to ring dings, but I'm kind of snooty aout these things.
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>I paid the most of anyone in Alexandria, MN for a baseball card!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Boy, I am somebody now I better alert the media.<br /><br />Bruce, your comments come across as quite arrogant, I think you can just look at a collector such as Hal Lewis that has plenty to spend but treats it like a kid in a candy store instead of the rich kid on the block that can get what he wants.<br /><br />Lee<br /><br />
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>I don't think he means to be condescending, arrogant and obnoxious; he just can't help it. Imagine being so bunged up that you have to compete (with yourself) for the best (of the best of the best, sir!).
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>honus3415</b><p>I basically find it hard to consider someone a collector when their expectation is to sit back and have the items they desire come to them. But then that is what money has done to this hobby. No longer is a collector identifiable by his knowledge and dedication through time spent directly involved in the hobby. The electronic age and grading has created pseudo-collectors that because of their resources, without even taking a step, can use a mouse and attempt to fill the void of emptiness in their lives. The selfishness of "hoarding from others" as opposed to "sharing with others" is what seperates the pseudo-collector from the true collector as well as animals from man.
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>I say 'wow'. Not at Bruce's posts....but at many of the responses in this thread.
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Yes to tool.<br /><br />Bruce, <br />The term master in art does not refer to a technical grade of the material. It refers to the conceptual genius and beauty of the creator of the material.
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>"So call me a snob, an elitist or a capitalist"<br /><br />Huh??<br /><br />If the quality of the material on this board is beneath you, maybe you should start your own Forum...call it "Net 8.0 or better".<br /><br />Frank
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>King,<br /><br />I agree.<br /><br />The responses to Bruce's post are far worse than anything Bruce said.<br /><br />In response to the gentleman on this thread who said can't we be respectul of each other--what a lot of the respondents are saying is clearly no--we can't--<br /><br />Jim
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>My collecting philosophy is that a person collect whatever he wants, so long as he's knowledgeable about what he collects. It's fine to collect 2 cent postcards, as long as you don't pay $150 each for them. There's nothing wrong with collecting mass produced reprints, so long as you don't think they're rare originals.<br /><br />If someone wishes to collect the free AOL advertising cards she receives in her PO Box, knowing they have no financial value and millions receive them, I see nothing wrong with that. In fact she may be the truer collector, knowing she will never gain financially from her hobby.
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>But I don't see anything particularly harsh about the replies in this thread. In fact, looking back on the post that started it all, I'm really more entertained than irked. Mr. Dorskind comes across as a man of many resources and all the gravitas of a millionaire trapped on a desert island with a skipper a movie star and a professor who can make radios from coconuts. In fact, I'd really like to have a beer with him. Imported beer of course and at a bar that doesn't have a Megatouch machine or a jar of anything pickled sitting on the bar.<br /><br />--Chad
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Why Aren't More Higher Grades Posted?
Posted By: <b>Al Crisafulli</b><p>There's nothing at all wrong with collecting only the higher-grade cards.<br /><br />There's nothing wrong with collecting only the lower-grade cards, either.<br /><br />Nothing wrong with EX condition cards.<br /><br />Nothing wrong with trimmed cards.<br /><br />But those VG-EX guys? They're killing the hobby.<br /><br />-Al
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