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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>Without going down the bash path.....Has anyone noticed the tremendous amount of difference from one PSA 1 to the next? I understand that it's anything that falls into the poor to fair range but geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzuuuuuuuusssss.<br /><br />Someone posted a pic of a PSA 1 E101 Cobb a while back that looked as if a school of piranhas had gotten to it. Yet, I've seen nice clean images with a few hairline creases get the same tag. Time for a 1.5 PSA?

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Posted By: <b>Mark Holt</b><p>I have a number of PSA1's (mostly prewar hockey) and that grade certainly has a big variation. I think I've seen the advise on this board 'buy the card, not the holder.'<br />

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>Ok, lets see who has the ugliest SGC10, GAI1 or PSA1...<br /><br />I'll start<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1119487448.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>RayB</b><p>Poor can be bad, really bad, god awful, horrendous, or road kill! Of any grade that PSA slabs, one should really be selective about what you will or will not accept in a PSA 1 holder.<br />Yup...buy the card.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>My personal opinion is that PSA 1's,2's,3's are not even worth the plastic holders they are slabbed in, much less the amount of money these "collectors" spend on them.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p><img src="http://www.lewisbaseballcards.com/classes/baseBallCard/images/874Lg.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Andy</b><p><br />.....a BVG 1<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1119488902.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>I assure you, these cards are worth quite a bit more than the plastic cost to house them and secure their authenticity.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1119488659.JPG"><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1119488689.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Ray</b><p>Adam, I wholeheartedly disagree with you! As a teacher, the SGC 10 and PSA 1 cards are my only way to collect. In less than two years, I've collected over 125 cards in the T206 set. I own all three Matty's in SGC10 cases and they are the pride of my collection!<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1119489123.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>Here's the link to the Cobb I was talking about. <br /><br />No offense to the owner but I think the GAI .75 comment from another post is pretty accurate.<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=5210097 032&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V#ebayphotohosting" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=5210097 032&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V#ebayphotohosting</a><br /><br />Adam, some of us aren't made of money. I'm glad that you won't settle for less than a four. I will gladly take your 1-3's for the price of the holder.

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>I do not mean to offend anyone, but do you guys honestly think your PSA 1's, 2's' or 3's would generate big bucks if they consigned to a major auction/auction house. When I began collecting in 1988 (age 8) I was a "collector at heart". I now see my collection as a "huge investment", as my odds of SOMEDAY drawing social security,(I was born in 1980) dwindle day by day. I plan to SOMEDAY do the same as Barry Halper did. Collect/invest in premium cards/memorabilia/autographs. and then..... CHA-CHING .... CONSIGN, CONSIGN, CONSIGN! <br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p><img src="http://home.insightbb.com/~scantland/10779Wagner_1_mk.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>Hmm, I don't know Adam. Someone shelled out $110k for that T206 PSA 1 Wagner a few weeks back.<br /><br />You might take a look at what PSA 3 Mattys, W.Johnsons, Wagners,Youngs, and Cobbs are going for. <br /><br />At the ripe old age of 25, I'm glad that you see the importance of investing. However, realize that sometimes manufacturing runs is more efficient than trying to hit the long ball.

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Posted By: <b>Ray</b><p>wow, you're really young! I thought I was young (1976) for being a vintage collector. Anyways, I see the point you are trying to make and agree with it. Yes, the idea of quality over quantity works for your purpose. But, as a true collector, I couldn't ever complete the set that way. So, for my purposes, 520 beaters are worth much more than 100 PSA 4 cards. Nice to see more people my age in this market.

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Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>"My personal opinion is that PSA 1's,2's,3's are not even worth the plastic holders they are slabbed in, much less the amount of money these "collectors" spend on them."<br /><br />Adam- no offense but that could be the dumbest thing I've heard all year, or maybe just the most naive. Let's see you try and collect the 1909 Obak set in PSA 4 or better. I bet you could come up with a grand total of one card. The hobby is made up of collectors, collectors who invest on occasion but primarily are in it for their love of the cards. It sounds like you will be collecting shiny chase cards from the Pokemon set if they have a huge upside.<br />Me, I'll take a slightly worn PSA 3 E98 Wagner any frigging day of the week and twice on Sunday.<br />tbob

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Posted By: <b>will watson</b><p>i'm only 24- although i don't act a day over 15<br /><br /><br />"My personal opinion is that PSA 1's,2's,3's are not even worth the plastic holders they are slabbed in, much less the amount of money these "collectors" spend on them."<br /><br />its worth it, just to know you're getting the real, unaltered thing. <br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Brian's card takes the prize: a PSA 1 with a qualifier! Does that make it a negative 1 when looking up it's price in the SMR? If so, Brian, please send me a check to take it off your hands...

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Posted By: <b>Scottopotamus</b><p>Most of my T206 collection are in the SGC 10, 20, & 30 grades. I collect them (and 1955 Topps All American Football) for my enjoyment. I hope to one day pass them on to my daughter.<br /><br />I fully realize I will never get rich from selling baseball cards.<br /><br />...and in the spirit of showing off some "beat to heck cards" I give you Elmer Flick.<br /><br /> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1119494951.JPG"> <br><br>Scottoptamus<br />My T206 Web Site<br /><br /><a href="http://www.freewebs.com/scottopotamus" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.freewebs.com/scottopotamus</a>

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>Scott, thumbs up on your avatar. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Morrie</b><p>Adam said:<br /><br />"I do not mean to offend anyone, but do you guys honestly think your PSA 1's, 2's' or 3's would generate big bucks if they consigned to a major auction/auction house."<br /><br />It may surprise you to learn that not all of us purchase cards with the intent of one day consigning them to Mastro. I'm glad that you like your high-end cards. I'm happy that someone the age of my students is doing as well as you seem to be. But your motivation for collecting cards is clearly different from some of us, myself included.<br /><br />No, I don't think any of my beaters are ever going to generate big bucks on consignment. But that's not why I bought them. I bought them because they make me smile.<br /><br />Morrie

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>In my defense, I hate to burst your bubble, Tbob but I do not collect gaming cards. ONLY prewar/postwar ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AFTER 1965. The only exception being Cal Ripken, Jr.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine <br /><br />As far as the PSA 1 Wagner which sold for $110,000 It's all about supply and demand. How many T-206 Wagner's are there? Of those out there, I doubt IF most would grade higher than a 1,2, or 3. How many have graded PSA 4,5,6,7,8,9,10 ? Can someone show me a population report on the PSA graded Wagners?

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Adam, collecting 50/4 or higher might be a nice thing for common sets like t206, Goudeys, etc, but there is no way you could put together most caramel sets in that condition. Many sets, like e104-3s, t208s, etc you have to buy what ever comes up. You can't worry about waiting a "nice". There jsut aren't that many around, and in some cases, they don't exist. I had one person laugh at my e104-3s because of how bad of shape they were in. He said he only likes vry high grade stuff. That's fine, but he'll never own a complete set of any caramel issue or other rare sets.<br /><br />For me personall having been on both sides of the collecting spectrum, I really appreciate low grade now. High grade look nice, but they lack character. No one loved those cards enough to carry them around, flip them or show them off to their buddies.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>Adam, here goes your bubble....<br /><br />There are almost 25% more graded T206 Wagners than there are E101 Cobbs (just an example). Grade for Grade, there are higher examples of the Wagners graded than the Cobb. <br /><br />While the number of T206 Wagners is almost nonexistent compared to the number of graded cards in the set, count how many TOTAL cards have been graded in some of the rarer caramel sets (E97, E107, Crofts Candy/Cocoa, Nadja etc... It's not all about the graded numbers or scarcity.<br /><br />PSA pop perverts piss me off. It becomes counting holders and not enjoying the cards. I can appreciate high-end examples but I refuse to let the holder be the quest.

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>I just received nearly 1k for an SGC 30 E98 wagner - hardly my idea of worthless.

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Posted By: <b>al davis</b><p>i guess some people call it an "industry," and they deal in "product." i call it a hobby, and i deal in cards. a well-worn vintage caramel or tobacco card in low-grade that has nice centering with smooth round corners and antique toning frequently looks nicer (more original and vintage) than a sharp and bright card. old cards bring me pleasure because they are historical....a bit of wear gives them realism.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Elkins</b><p>A nice 2-4 vintage card looks like a 95+ year old piece of cardboard should look! I LOVE cards in this range.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Wow I’m shocked that anyone on this board would feel that way. <br /><br />Not everyone can afford the best. Hell its getting to the point I cant even afford the avg.<img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/smileys/143.gif"><br /><br />Adam you may feel its silly to buy (PSA 1,2,3) and the guy who collects (PSA 7,8,9) thinks it silly that anyone would buy a (PSA 4,5,6). And somewhere I’m sure there is someone who thinks were all silly for spending any amounts of money on these silly pieces of paper. <br /><br />Collect because you like it, collect what you like, and don’t plan on getting rich in the process. <br />

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>Adam,<br /><br />I think you did offend a lot of us when you made that comment. I can only afford the really poor, off grade material. But, I enjoy collecting it....<br /><br />Alan

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Posted By: <b>Chuck R</b><p>I agree with the general sentiments here, but I would like to make an indirect defense of Adam's statement. In my end of the hobby, I see examples every day of common cards in crappy condition that might go for $2-5 max if things were different than they are today. Instead, someone will throw them on eBay entombed in a PSA1 crypt and several people will bid the thing up to $25 or $30. It is in these cases that I would agree that the emperor has no clothes. The cards I'm talking about are things like Horrors of War from 1938. They have been reprinted, but nobody with any experience would be fooled by a reprint. Hence, encapsulating for authenticity purposes is relatively pointless.

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>It all depends on the card and the collector. Some issues are so rare (e.g., 1928 PCL Exhibits) that you take what you find. I happily purchase p-f cards from rare sets because I know I may not find them again for years. My 1926 Zeenut Lefty O'Doul looks like it was folded in half and rolled up, but it's mine...<br /><br />Some cards are so common (e.g., T206 HOFers) that you may not want to pay $800-$1,000 for a midgrade card. I am content with my "1" red portrait Cobb because there was no way in hell I was going to pay the freight on a "4"; I'd rather have three "1" Cobbs for the same price. <br /><br />Some cards are not that rare but are so high demand that low grade is the only realistic way to collect. My caramel Cy Young cards are lower grade but no way could I bring myself to pay 10x-25x the price of those cards for better specimens. <br /><br />While I don't want to repeat myself w/r/t investments and cards, I do not share the belief that lower grade cards are unsound investments. No, they will not be in Mastro but neither will many of the vintage collectors out there who cannot afford to spend $10,000 a card, even as an investment. Remember, an investment is worth whatever two people agree it is worth. IMHO lower end cards of primo players from popular sets have a ready market and one that will increase in size (unlike very expensive cards, which rely on a thin sliver of the populace for their continued value increases) as more people are drawn into the vintage area of the hobby but cannot or will not spend mega bucks on cards. Consider the lower grade cards penny stocks; lots of people do quite well on those. It all depends on your acumen in picking them. <br /><br />Finally, there is a huge variation in 1's because the flaws that generate a 1 or even a 2 (why PSA doesn't have a "fair" category has always been beyond my understanding) can be multiple or a single severe one. I have some 1's that look like hell; others have a single flaw like album removal on the back, a small punch hole or clipped corner that generate a technical 1 but that look really nice in comparison. I will buy vg-ex with a small hole or a bit of back damage writing in a 1 slab all day long provided I am paying "1" prices for it.

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Thanks, Chuck that's just ONE of the points I were trying to make. Second, do you guys actually think that WHEN/IF the time comes to sell these cards that you will get back what you paid for them? I think it's great that you collect PSA 1,2, 3 because you are in it for the hobby. So were I, at age 8. Things change, despite the fact I hate change. I just do not believe these cards are sound investments, in the long term. For example, Hal stated that he sold a PSA 1 Gehrig to a fellow collector for $5,000. When it comes time for Mr. Fellow Collector to sell the Gehrig, does Mr. Collector actually think that he will retain his $5,000 or more ? I seriously doubt it. MOST collectors who are in the hobby for "investment purposes"(i.e ME) want QUALITY cards, not beat-to-death cards that have been flipped,traded,put in bike spokes, put in the wash machine, baked in the oven,folded, squewed, fried, pinholed, scotched taped, wrote on, etc,etc, etc, You guys get the idea! I will NEVER have a PSA 1, 2, or 3 in my collection. Hell, I do not even like graded cards anyway. I only own three. 1954 Topps Jackie Robinson (PSA 5) 1958 Topps Ritchie Ashburn (PSA 5) 1958 Topps Roger Maris rookie card (PSA 7) I think it's absurd to spend big money on a card just because it has a lousey number attached to it. Which is why I ONLY buy raw cards from trusting individuals. (fellow collectors)<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>"I plan to SOMEDAY do the same as Barry Halper did. Collect/invest in premium cards/memorabilia/autographs. and then..... CHA-CHING .... CONSIGN, CONSIGN, CONSIGN!"<br /><br /><br />Adam, <br /><br />Cha-ching indeed! <br /><br />Good luck with your plans. Looking forward to seeing one of the big auction house devote a catalog to the "Morraine Collection." <br /><br />Regards, <br />Wesley<br />

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>because it is RARE. You seem to miss a big point, which is that many (most) rare cards do not exist in higher grades and/or rarely come to market in any grade. Would you reject the 1914 Ruth that recently fetched a quarter mil because it is lower grade? A "1" T206 Wagner? Any E107 HOFer? etc., etc., etc.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>identify7</b><p>With all due respect to your assessment, Adam, I think there are many ways to invest in cards, just like in stocks and other vehicles. As Leon points out, timing is crucial.<br /><br />When it is better to put your x dollars into penny stocks rather than their high priced counterparts is a serious field of study.<br /><br />I believe that the same is true for baseball cards. During periods of this hobby's brief history we have seen cyclical focus on various areas of collecting, including grade. If you have not researched this history you have missed interesting phenonoma.<br /><br />It is common, as you point out, for significant investors to purchase highly graded material. This happened on a relatively large scale in numismatics beginning in the late '80s. Thus far, based on recent and current coin pricing, the choices were mostly ill advised.<br /><br />Mr. Moraine: you state that you want QUALITY cards for investment (ie. relatively higher graded examples). What factual data do you rely on for this determination? My analysis indicates just the opposite of yours. The basis of my analysis (which I am doing for fun) is the best available card pricing history 1975 - date.

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>Jeff,<br /><br />I had never considered a 1MK having a negative SMR value -- funny stuff. <br /><br />Unfortunately, the card isn't mine. I saw it on ebay about 4 years ago and saved the scan. <br /><br />Brian

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>Adam,<br /><br />There are two main factors why people will buy a beat and tattered card: <br /><br />Economics (affordability)<br />Availability (how many ExMt E107 Wagners are there?)<br /><br />I have a lot of respect for the collectors that love this hobby so much that they will place lower grade cards to complete their sets or to enhance their collections. These people are in it for the love of collecting. I'm not saying that people don't love collecting if they wont accept a lower grade card but the fact that getting joy from adding a card (whehter it be P/F or ExMt) to a collection is what it's all about. Hobby budgets vary from a few hundred dollars a year to millions. If you're on the lower end of the spectrum it's not reasonable to think that you're going to get ExMt cards in any quantity. <br /><br />Getting a card graded is done for a few different reasons:<br /><br />Protect the card for future generations to enjoy.<br />Investment vehicle that may produce a profit later.<br />Place the collection is a set registry.<br />Bragging rights.<br /><br /><b>MOST collectors who are in the hobby for "investment purposes"</b> buy graded cards because that's supposed to be "where the money is" and the investment potential depends upon an assigned number from some trained monkey that knows less about this hobby than a stock broker really knows about picking the right stock. <br /><br />There may come a day when you just might succomb to purchasing a P/F card to complete a set. When that day comes, hopefully you'll see the appreciation that many collectors have for this hobby. I'm not saying you don't have an appreciation but when a hobby is investment driven it makes it difficult to appreciate the hobby if a bubble bursts and the stuff turns out to be just pictures of baseball players on cardboard.<br /><br />Keep collecting and be happy with what you obtain!

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>"It happened to me. I bought a doctored (meaning a reprint made to look aged/old/authentic)"1933 Goudey Lajoie". I got totally screwed, JASON DEAN (SELLER'S NAME) made a $122.50 profit ( my closing bid) off of a dime reprint.Which is why I NO LONGER use EBAY! EBAY SUCKS!!!! Best Regards, <br />Adam J. Moraine"<br /><br />Before you try to unload that Lajoie on Mastronet, you might want to start purchasing cards graded by the Big 3, in whatever condition you find them in.<br /><br />Paul Mifsud (aka T206Collector)<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Wesley, <br /><br />Here is goes, I am 24 years old, (25 on November 3) I have been collecting since 1988. Here's A SAMPLE of what I have autographs of Mantle(Got 10 of em')Dimaggio, Williams, Maris, Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, Foxx, Fox, Jackie Robinson, Waner Brothers, Presidents Kennedy, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, Bush 41, Mother Teresa, individual 8x10 photos signed by nearly EVERY CURRENT A-LIST hollywood celebrity that you could name. Oh yeah, I have a pair of boxing gloves signed by Ali, a puck signed by Gretzky, and a basketball signed by Jordan, NOW Do you want me to go into my card collection? I have over 50,000 cards and over 300 autographs. I just picked up on an autograph of Jack Norworth. He wrote "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" in case you did not know. TRUST ME, for my age, I have one of the most premier collections here in Iowa. IF you want I will even mail you a copy of the 1 PAGE hometown newspaper article I were featured in. "The Des Moines Register", April 5, 2003 edition. SHOW ME another 24 year old, who has the collection that I have! Oh yeah, I also have a pair of game-used cleats from Sammy Sosa ( currently on display at the Bob Feller Museum). TRUST ME, ONE DAY, MY FRIEND YOU WILL SEE THE MORAINE COLLECTION HIT THE AUCTION BLOCK. WHEN MY COLLECTION GENERATES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, WE WILL SEE WHO HAS THE LAST LAUGH, AS YOU WILL STILL BE WORKING FOR A LIVING. I WILL BE RETIRED, YOUNG, AND WEALTHY LIVING IN AN ESTATE IN GREENWICH, CT, ONE OF THE MOST AFFLUENT COMMUNITIES IN THE ENTIRE U.S. <br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine<br />p.s. Happy Bidding

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>AH, PAUL , I THREW THE LAJOIE REPRINT IN THE GARBAGE.IT'S IN A LANDFILL SOMEWHERE HERE IN IOWA. WHERE IT NOW RESTS PEACEFULLY. <br /><br />BEST REGARDS,<br /><br />ADAM J. MORAINE

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>Best of luck to you Adam! That is quite a collection that you have amassed there. You are probably right in that I will still be working in this crappy job for years to come. Damn <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>identify7</b><p>Mr. Moraine: I congratulate you on impressing yourself with your accomplishments to date. I followed a different path in my first quarter of a century. By 25 I had a child with a second soon to follow, a house, and a solid job.<br /><br />Times were different. I followed the ideal then and did well and am happy You are following the current ideal - and apparently also doing well and making yourself happy. Great.<br /><br />But you did not answer my question.

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Posted By: <b>Greg</b><p>WOW! I didn't know that a pair of "Slammin" Sammy Sosa cleats existed outside of the local sportsbar, much less in Iowa! Do you keep your Wagner autograph next to Christina Aguilera or Brittaney's auto...dude chill out I remember 24 and its not the best age to start banging on people for their financial situations vs. yours. You started collecting at age 8, I'm sure Dad's $$ started you out, do you plan on giving him a cut of your profits from the Mastronet extravaganza? I think the cover of the Mastro catalogue should just be a scan of the jerkwater newspaper article you mentioned. What was that paper thinking, I guess there were no cats stuck in trees that day? Hey, I live in LA not CT so I'll still be way cooler than you man, good luck on the move. By the way, the amount of sports memorabilia you have will not improve the size of your anatomy...only Porsches can do that. This was fun!!<br />GB<br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>Gil, I agree times are different but in many respects they are still the same. People still have families young, own homes young and die for their country young. <br /><br />Adam, you have an impressive collection but it pales in comparison to some other members on this board. However, they don't flaunt their collection nor do they define themselves by their collection. You're not the only young person on this board, I'm 26 and like you, collected cards off and on since 1988. By my 26th birthday I had been stationed in Europe for five years and done combat tours in Iraq, Kosovo and Bosnia. I treasure the collection I do have, but it's not who I am. <br /><br />Brian

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Posted By: <b>will watson</b><p>Adam,<br /><br />you sound like a tool. your age shows- you're acting like an immature child. this is a hobby. keep the uppity spoiled talk between your fraternity buddies<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>I appreciate your reworking of my name, but I will resist reworking yours. Suffice to say, you live in Iowa with a pair of Sammy Sosa's shoes. If that was what I had to be proud of in my life I'd probably sell Sammy's shoes to buy a gun with one bullet to kill myself. <br /><br />Why you continue to admit things that earn you scorn on this board is beyond me, but you may want to take a step out of Sammy's shoes for a moment before you pen your next post. Given your "extensive collection," it is remarkable to me that you would have recently spent $122 on a Lajoie reprint on ebay, and then complain that the seller duped you. <br /><br />Suffice to say, I recommend that you take a step out of Sammy's shoes before you pen your next post. Read and then reread what you have said and how people have responded. You might actually learn something. Also, if I were you, I'd wait for the final sale price from your consignment before I quit my day job milking cattle. <br /><br />Paul Mifsud (aka T206 Collector)<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>FIRST OF ALL, GREG I AM GLAD THAT YOUR HAVING THE TIME OF YOUR LIFE IN HOYYWOOD OR BEVERLY HILLS. HAVE YOU SEEN THE MOVIES CLUELESS, PRETTY WOMAN, OR DOWN AND OUT IN BEVERLY HILLS? THEY SPEAK A HELL OF ALOT FOR L.A. HUH? SECOND,GREG, IT WAS MY LATE GRANDFATHER, WHO HAD GOT MYSELF INTO THIS "HOBBY". ELEMENTARY, MR DEAR WATSON, I DO NOT BELONG TO A FRAT. NOR AM I AM "SPOILED BRAT". JUST A YOUNG INVESTOR, WITH LOFTY GOALS. <br /><br />BEST REGARDS,<br /><br />ADAM J. MORAINE

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>MILFSTUD, I LIVE IN THE CAPITAL CITY OF IOWA, (DES MOINES) NO FARMS IN DES MOINES. POPULATION 300,000. I DO NOT MILK CATTLE. WHERE ARE YOU FROM?<br /><br />BEST REGARDS,<br /><br />ADAM J. MORAINE

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Copyright 2003 The Des Moines Register<br />All Rights Reserved <br />Des Moines Register<br /><br />April 5, 2003 Saturday<br /><br />SECTION: HOME AND GARDEN; Pg. 3H<br /><br />LENGTH: 724 words<br /><br />HEADLINE: Investment plan is in the cards;<br />Iowa Collects; This collection of sports memorabilia covers all the bases, from being fun to being valuable.<br /><br />BYLINE: Beam Patrice, Freelance OK<br /><br />BODY:<br />Patrice Beam<br /><br />At the age of 22, collector Adam Moraine's goal is to become a millionaire by the time he is 50. To date, he has amassed a collection of more than 60,000 baseball cards, autographs and other memorabilia, which sport a six-figure book value.<br /><br />When did you start to build your collec-tion?I began at the age of 8. My grandfather encouraged me to take up a hobby, and in the 1980s baseball card collecting was experiencing a boom. We both thought it would be a good collectible for me, so I started out buying packets of cards. <br /><br />My grandfather also took me to baseball card shows to meet the stars, buy cards and get autographs. The first time I met Brooks Robinson was when I was 11 years old. During the past 15 years, baseball has become my love and my passion.<br /><br />I go to games when I can fit them in with work, and I'm a charter member and volunteer at the Bob Feller Hometown Museum. In fact, I was born on the same date as Bob Feller, Nov. 3.<br /><br />I've met many stars at the museum, including Stan Musial, Tommy Lasorda and Gaylord Perry, and had my picture taken with most of them.<br /><br />When did baseball cards first come on the market?In the late 1880s, the first baseball cards were called Old Judge. They were approximately 1 by 2 inches and were put into tobacco packets. I have about a dozen tobacco cards dating from 1909.<br /><br />The most valuable card from this time period is a Honus Wagner from the Pittsburgh Pirates, worth $1.2 million. I sure wish I had one of those cards. I do have his autograph, worth about $500.<br /><br />Why do you collect?Mainly, I collect for investment purposes. I don't sell or trade -I just buy.<br /><br />My No. 1 goal in life is to have a multimillion-dollar investment portfolio before the age of 50. Currently, my collection is worth more than $100,000. I do research on Internet auction sites and read the Beckett Almanac of Baseball Cards to keep abreast of current values.<br /><br />Do you have limits on what items you buy?I prefer to collect vintage baseball stuff that dates from the 1950s and 1960s. Those were the innocent days of the hobby, when baseball stars played for the love of the game and not the multimillion-dollar contracts.<br /><br />I have an autographed Babe Ruth "cut" signature card valued at $2,500; a Ty Cobb canceled check for $800 and an 8-by-10-inch photo of Roger Maris for $700. But the gem of my collection is a 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle card valued at $3,000.<br /><br />Did you ever get a bargain?When I was a junior at East High School, I went to an estate sale and found a box of baseball cards from the 1950s. The seller wanted 5 cents each for them. There were no major star cards in the box, but they were worth $5 to $10 each. It was a nice find.<br /><br />When it comes to autographed baseball items, are forgeries common? Yes, and collectors should always follow the old adage "buyer beware." For the most part, I get my autographs in person. Those I don't get myself I buy from a Universal Autograph Collectors Club dealer.<br /><br />Do you have any desire to sell your collection? I can't see myself parting with my cards yet. Maybe I have an emotional attachment to them because of my grandfather.<br /><br />I keep a written list of every item I own and have them sorted by category and stored in boxes. My most valuable items are in a safe deposit box.<br /><br />Baseball cards have been around for 115 years, and I don't see the hobby winding down anytime soon. In 10 or 20 years, as these cards and autographs become more rare, my collection might be worth $500,000. A couple of years ago another collector auctioned off part of his collection for $2.5 million.<br /><br />What items do you still hope to purchase? I have a Babe Ruth autograph and I want a Lou Gehrig one. I also want a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle rookie card. I have his second year, but not his first.<br /><br />I understand you have branched out into other collections.Yes, several years ago I wrote to John Pappajohn and asked for investment advice. He suggested that I expand my collecting.<br /><br />So now I have autographs of Hollywood celebrities, historical figures and other professional athletes in addition to baseball stars. My favorite nonsports autographs are Mother Teresa and President John F. Kennedy.<br /><br />Have a large or unusual collection? Contact Iowa Collects, Box 41397, Des Moines, Ia. 50311 or patricebeam@hotmail.com.<br /><br />GRAPHIC: _By: DOUG WELLS, REGISTER PHOTOS; Baseball legend: Adam Moraine, right, is a charter member and volunteer at the Bob Feller Hometown Museum in Van Meter. This is his autographed picture with the Hall of Fame pitcher. Left: A 1909 tobacco card of Hall of Famer Miller Huggins.A 1953 Mickey Mantle card from Topps. Signed ball: Adam Moraine has an autographed ball from Ted Williams._ Moraine; Collector details; WHO: Adam Moraine; COLLECTION: Baseball cards and other memorabilia; HOME: Des Moines; OCCUPATION: Clerk at Quik Trip Inc. NUMBER OF ITEMS: More than 60,000 items; WHAT IT COSTS: Many baseball cards can be purchased for $1 to $20, and autographs between $5 and $50. CONTACTS: Bob Feller will be at the Bob Feller Hometown Museum in Van Meter from 1 to 5 p.m. Sunday. Go online at www.bobfellermuseum.org. CLUB: Universal Autograph Collectors Club, Box 6181, Washington, D.C. 20044 PUBLICATIONS: "Beckett Almanac of Baseball Cards and Collectibles," by Beckett Publications (2002)<br /><br />LOAD-DATE: April 26, 2003 <br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>VERY GOOD, T-206 COLLECTOR. <br /><br />BEST REGARDS,<br /><br />ADAM J. MORAINE

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Isn't that kinda like being the toughest Muppet? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Adam<br /><br />You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.

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Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>Adam- no disrespect was intended on my part but I question if you see sports memorabilia and cards as more than just an investment tool. If not, I feel sorry for you. Maybe it is naive to think that young collectors avidly read about the history of baseball and are in love with this great game and its tradition. If you want to try and make a fortune collecting cards, more power to you but I think you make a mistake when you talk about collectors always wanting high grde cards and the market always being there. My take is that there will always be a market for low to mid grade cards whose prices don't fluctuate so wildly and are available at decent prices for true collectors. <br />The backbone of the hobby is in low to mid grade card collectors. I have also found that that these collectors are some of the nicest and cordial people I have ever met. Oh sure there are guys who collect high ticket stuff and have the cash to do it who are also good guys but the backbone is and always will be with the true collector who loves the game and the cards that depict that sense of history and tradition.<br />Tbob

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>I get what you are saying Tbob. I were just trying to state MY OWN opinions concerning the collecting of PSA 1,2,3 and collecting as an investor and collector, as I have been on both sides of the fence. Then, all of a sudden because of MY opinions the thread turns into a GREAT, BIG, HUGE Adam J. Moraine bash fest. I don't recall calling anyone derogetory names. With the exception of poking fun at Paul's last name. I were called everything from uncool to a spoiled brat to a dairy farmer, to you name it, based upon my opinions that I do not think PSA 1,2,3 are worth collecting. As a HOBBY, YES they are, I will admit that. As an investment, NO they are not.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>will watson</b><p>$100,000 collection? i seriously doubt that. book value and real world resale value are two entirely different things.

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>I GUARANTEE YOU, MY KENNEDY AUTOGRAPH WOULD SELL FOR MUCH MORE THAN WHAT I PAID FOR IT. BY THE WAY, THATS WHAT ITS INSURED FOR. SUPPLY AND DEMAND, AND DESIRABILITY ARE THE KEY FACTORS. AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, SHOW ME, SOMEONE MY AGE (24) WHO HAS PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S AUTOGRAPH IN THERE COLLECTION? THEY(THE PERSON MY AGE) HAS TO ACTUALLY OWN THE AUTOGRAPH. IT CAN NOT BELONG TO MOM, DAD, GRANDPARENTS, AUNTS, UNCLES, ETC. <br /><br />BEST REGARDS,<br /><br />ADAM J. MORAINE

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...based on your ability to spend $122 on an obviously fake 1933 Lajoie on ebay, I doubt you'd find a buyer for most of the autographs you did not obtain in person. That is because your credibility as someone who knows what he is doing is totally shot, both because of that purchase and your posts in this list. If you ran an informal poll on this board, I would guess most of the readers of your posts would have a hard time believing you have $100,000 worth of anything in your life, let alone such a valuable autograph collection. You can insure your collection as much as you want, whether you could collect on that plan if your lost Sammy's shoelaces is quite another. <br /><br />I, for one, am quite certain that many of the autos you didn't get in person are cheap forgeries. I would also not be surprised if some of the ones you did get in person are. In fact, if you send me your 1953 Mickey Mantle baseball card, I'd be happy to autograph it "Best Regards, Mickey Mantle." That way, it would be as authentic as your JFK auto.<br /><br />Paul Mifsud (aka T206Collector)<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>will watson</b><p>JFK? my dad owned a JFK signed document (along with a few other presidents- only one i can remember offhand is LBJ). i'm the benefactor in his will, and since he died three years ago, his autograph "collection" is now mine. so sorry to burst your bubble buddy, but you aren't the only 24 year old who owns a JFK auto

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Posted By: <b>Tom</b><p>Just checking to see if I was able to log in. Nothing to say about this topic.

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>T-206 COLLECTOR ALL OF MY AUTO'S THAT I DO NOT OBTAIN IN PERSON COMES FROM UACC REGISTERED DEALERS. THEY ARE THE PREMIER AUTOGRAPH DEALERS IN THE COUNTRY.OUR OWN RICHARD SIMON, IS ONE OF THE MANY DEALERS I HAVE PURCHASED FROM. I CAN ASSURE YOU, ALL OF MY AUTOGRAPHS I DO NOT OBTAIN IN PERSON ARE AUTHENTIC. www.uacc.org<br /><br />THE KENNEDY AUTOGRAPH CAME FROM MAX RAMBOD (www.maxrambod.com)<br />THE MOTHER TERESA AUTOGRAPH CAME FROM BARB PENGELLY (www.autographdomain.com)<br />THE TEDDY ROOSEVELT LETTER DATED FEB 3, 1915 CAME FROM WALTER BURKS (www.burksautographs.com)<br /><br />SO CHOKE ON THAT, TO WHOEVER WANTS TO DOUBT THE AUTHENTICITY OF MY AUTOGRAPH COLLECTION.<br /><br />BEST REGARDS,<br /><br />ADAM J. MORAINE

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Even if authentic, which, again, I doubt, John F. Kennedy gets you, what, $1,500 tops?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.rrauction.com/bidtracker_detail.cfm?IN=60" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.rrauction.com/bidtracker_detail.cfm?IN=60</a><br /><br />After Kennedy, Mother Teresa (did she play for the Rockford Peaches?), 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle and Sammy Sosa's footwear, I'd say your collection is up to what, $5,000, tops? Where are you justifying $100,000 in insurance? <br /><br />Bob Feller signs for free every year at Indians Spring Training. How many Feller autographs do you think are out there? Same for most of your autographs -- they're plentiful by the hundred thousand.<br /><br />In 30 seconds or less, can you give us your top 10 items and what you think they are worth? I'd also love to hear about your broad pre-war baseball card collection, since this is after all a board dedicated to pre-war baseball cards.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>al davis</b><p>Here is goes. I am 45 years old (46 on December 3). I have been collecting since 1969. Here's a SAMPLE of what I have autograph of Boog Powell(Got 3 of em'), Ozzie Canseco, Jamie Moyer, Dan Rather, individual 8x10 photos of nearly EVERY B-LIST comedian that has played the Improv in Des Moines. Oh yeah, I have a Sidney Ponson game used wrist band. Oh yeah,I have over 200 cards (not just Fleer, but also Donruss and Score). TRUST ME, ONE DAY MY FRIEND YOU WILL SEE THE DAVIS COLLECTION HIT THE AUCTION BLOCK. FROM THAT DAY ON, YOU WILL STILL BE LIVING IN HELLHOLES LIKE CALIFORNIA, WHILE I ENJOY THE COMFORTS THAT ONLY SIOUX CITY CAN PROVIDE!

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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>what is the over/under on the misuse of "i were"????<br />

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Well, let's see, on ebay I could've had this one for $25....<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1447&item=61858029 78&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1447&item=61858029 78&rd=1</a>

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Posted By: <b>Glenn</b><p>"My No. 1 goal in life is to have a multimillion-dollar investment portfolio before the age of 50. Currently, my collection is worth more than $100,000. I do research on Internet auction sites and read the Beckett Almanac of Baseball Cards to keep abreast of current values.<br /><br />Do you have limits on what items you buy?I prefer to collect vintage baseball stuff that dates from the 1950s and 1960s. Those were the innocent days of the hobby, when baseball stars played for the love of the game and not the multimillion-dollar contracts."<br /><br />Is no one going to comment on the amusing juxtaposition of the above paragraphs? I haven't smiled this hard in years.

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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>I tell you what. I'll sell somebody my autograph for a thousand bucks and then I promise I'll never sign another one ever again. I'll even sign an office used undershirt to make things refractor-tastic. Think of it, you'll own a one of a kind item! A bargain!<br /><br />--Chad

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>DAVIS, YOUR ARE A FELLOW IOWAN??? GLENN, WHAT'S THE JOKE? DID I MISS SOMETHING? KEEP ON SMILING, GLENN. I WANT YOU, AND EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD TO DOUBT ME, SO THEN I CAN THROW IT RIGHT BACK IN YOUR FACES.WHICH, ALL IN DUE TIME, I WILL. GUARANTEED. BY THE WAY, THE MOTHER TERESA AUTO. ON EBAY STATES THAT IT'S A COPY OF A SIGNED PHOTO. WHAT I HAVE IS A SHORT NOTE SIGNED BY HER. T-206 COLLECTOR, LETS HERE WHAT YOU HAVE GOT IN YOUR COLLECTION. HELL, YOUR PROBABLY SOME BABY BOOMER WHO HAD YOUR CARDS HANDED DOWN TO YOU FROM POPS! RIGHT??? OR YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME CUSHY, OFFICE JOB THAT PAYS YOU HIGH SIX-FIGURES A YEAR TO DO SQUAT, SO YOU ARE IN A POSITION TO BUY PREWAR CARDS...... RIGHT??? WHICH ASSESSMENT IS CORRECT?<br /><br />BEST REGARDS,<br /><br />ADAM J. MORAINE

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Posted By: <b>will watson</b><p>ok, i finally read through the whole thread. Adam Morraine, you might have a nice collection and a good portfolio, but quotes like "My personal opinion is that PSA 1's,2's,3's are not even worth the plastic holders they are slabbed in, much less the amount of money these "collectors" spend on them" tell me that you either know very little about the hobby, very little about investing, or both. <br /><br />from an investment standpoint, low grade cards are probably the safest bet. the higher the grade, the higher the volatility. especially taking in to account the "Set Registry" aspect. when investing in high grade cards, the card itself is not the only "investment." the numerical grade, and low population, is also a huge selling point. and ask any seller of high grade cards, and you'll get the same response - you can double your money on some cards, and get hosed on others. and when investing in high grade low pop cards, the longer you sit on them, the riskier your investment becomes. pop reports will invariably increase over time, usually at a faster pace than new collectors coming in to the hobby wanting to purchase them. i've seen several low pop 60's cards that used to sell for $1000 each - and now that the big spenders have acquired them, they sell for a few hundred tops. it's a total crapshoot. from an investment standpoint, that seems like an incredibly risky proposition. <br /><br />edit: please stop typing in all caps. it's annoying. you can get your point across just as well typing words in lower case.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>$250 tops? The woman lived 86 years. How many of these do you think she signed?<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14433&item=6540044 900&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14433&item=6540044 900&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW</a><br /><br />And Teddy Roosevelt for under $1,000?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.historyforsale.com/html/prodetails.asp?documentid=32692&start=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.historyforsale.com/html/prodetails.asp?documentid=32692&start=1</a><br /><br />Now what else do you have? We're still quite a ways from $100,000....

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Would you guys prefer if I were to puchase some T-206,Playball,or Goudey cards in MINIMUM VG condition. Would that appease this board? T-206 Collector, PAGES of history isn't even a registered UACC dealer. Therefore I would not even think about purchasing there "Mother Teresa" autograph. HISTORY for sale IS in fact, a registered dealer. Keep in mind, the Roosevelt letter is for DIRECT SALE, its NOT up for bids at Christies, Sothebys, or Mastronet.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine <br />p.s. STILL waiting to hear what you have T-206. How did YOU obtain your collection? Pops? or 6 figure, cushy, do- nothing office job?

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...if you would list the T-206, Goudey and Play Ball cards you own that are in better than VG condition. And, no, your 1933 Goudey Lajoie doesn't count...

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>Yawn. Big yawn.<br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1119554349.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Greg</b><p>I would be satisfied with some clear scans of the Real Estate section of a Greenwich CT paper, I think I need to move up in the world to throw my status in to someones face. My cards are better too.<br />GB

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Lets here what you got Don Newcombe, I mean Tim Newcombe (any relation, by the way?) <br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Although I primarily collect T206 cards, I do have a stray card here and there from other sets. In fact, I too have a 1953 Topps Mantle in SGC 3 condition. I was wondering if your Mantle was in better condition, and if so, I'd like to see a scan (or at least a PSA/SGC/GAI certificate number).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.sgccardregistry.com/images.asp?cardid=21261&usetid=1129" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.sgccardregistry.com/images.asp?cardid=21261&usetid=1129</a>

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Greg, homes in Greenwich, CT START at nearly 1 million. type in Greenwich, Ct real estate in goggle search. <br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraiine<br /><br />Hell, Bobby Bonilla and George Foster live there. I have wrote to both of them. SORRY T-206, no digital cam or scanner. T-206 was it pops, or cushy 6 figure office do-nothing job that got you yor cards?

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>It is remarkable to me to hear about someone who dreams to sell his priceless collection of baseball sneakers to live there. Only in Iowa, I suppose.<br /><br />And I have purchased my baseball card collection with money earned in a demanding office job in New York City. It's probably easier than milking cows in Iowa, but it's still pretty grueling in its own right...<br /><br />And I am a ripe old 32 years old, just since June 16.<br /><br />And you can peruse my SGC graded T206 cards at the set registry section of their website. Now that you know my last name, you're sure not to miss it...

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Posted By: <b>will watson</b><p>"How did YOU obtain your collection? Pops? or 6 figure, cushy, do- nothing office job?"<br /><br />why does it matter?

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Posted By: <b>Glenn</b><p>Adam,<br /><br />The joke is as follows:<br /><br />In the paragraph immediately following the one in which you are quoted as saying "My No. 1 goal in life is to have a multimillion-dollar investment portfolio before the age of 50," you are quoted also to have said, "I prefer to collect vintage baseball stuff that dates from the 1950s and 1960s...the innocent days of the hobby, when baseball stars played for the love of the game and not the multimillion-dollar contracts." <br /><br />The implication is that you have great admiration for people who do not share your own values SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE they do not share your values.<br /><br />Were these in fact consecutive responses you gave in the interview, or, as I thought when I read it, do you think the reporter or editor is trying to make you look silly?

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...because someone challenged him on his income source. It wasn't me, but I'm not ashamed I have an office job that affords me an opportunity to purchase T206 cards now and again.<br /><br />Also, I have made shrewd baseball card purchases and sales on ebay that have made me a Power Seller (ebay ID: t-206collector). Unlike Mr. Moraine, who spends $122 on fake Lajoie cards and then throws them away.

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Greg, are you from C-A-L-I-F-I-R-N-I-A- OR C-A-L-I-F-O-R-N-I-A- (Check your member profile, there "COOL ONE" or go back to elementary school to learn the correct spelling of your homestate.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>Then T-206 colletor, you can attest to the fact that Greenwich, CT is one of the most affluent communities in the United states.Where a lot of well-know individuals live..... correct? (Much to Greg's chagrin) What did you expect me to do with the Lajoie? Keep the damn thing? It's not as if $122.50 is going to break me anytime soon.I contribute that much to a ROTH IRA EVERY MONTH <br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine