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Fandom0610 07-03-2025 07:49 AM

Josh Gibson items
 
I know his stuff is extremely scarce but was curious to see if anyone has any items of his they could share. Greatly appreciated. Also does anyone know how many known examples of his autograph have been authenticated?

Brent G. 07-03-2025 09:52 AM

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This seems to be the grail.

perezfan 07-03-2025 12:17 PM

Outside of anything that can be documented as “game used”, that piece has to be the grail. One of the greatest pieces of memorabilia known to exist, and (true to form) PSA cannot even get it centered within the holder. Impressive!

Lucas00 07-03-2025 12:22 PM

A snapshot collectors grail.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f21d4ed6c6.jpg

GaryPassamonte 07-03-2025 12:54 PM

Many years ago I had a barnstorming program that included the Rochester Red Wings and whatever team Gibson was playing for at the time. The program included a nice pencil autograph by Gibson. That's one I wish I still had. Sorry no image.

Fandom0610 07-03-2025 01:00 PM

Wow some amazing stuff! Keep it coming

Hankphenom 07-04-2025 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent G. (Post 2525562)
This seems to be the grail.

Hard to imagine anything better than that! There are a few Grays scorecards around where he is in the lineup, perhaps pictured also. Can't remember if he is in the Negro Leagues Yearbook from 1945 with Williard Brown of the Grays on the cover.

Hankphenom 07-04-2025 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00 (Post 2525590)

Nice!

J-Yo 07-04-2025 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte (Post 2525592)
Many years ago I had a barnstorming program that included the Rochester Red Wings and whatever team Gibson was playing for at the time. The program included a nice pencil autograph by Gibson. That's one I wish I still had. Sorry no image.


As a Rochester resident I wish I could see it!


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GaryPassamonte 07-04-2025 05:00 PM

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As a Rochester resident I wish I could see it!


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I looked through some old stuff and found a copy of the program. The game was played in Rochester in 1945 between the Rochester All Stars and the Homestead Grays. Gibson signed just below "Doser's Grill" and above the Rochester line up. I had forgotten that the autograph had been cut out of the program before I got it. You can see that in the scans. The signature was in pencil and presented much better than my copies show.

It looks like the first page of the program ended up upside down, but you get the idea. I had this way back in 1995.

Schlesinj 07-05-2025 06:14 AM

1934 Pittsburgh Crawfords (at Yankee Stadium taken by famous Harlem photographer James VanderZee).

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accidental 07-05-2025 02:16 PM

Supposedly a jacket worn by Gibson: https://youtu.be/QXavhN_jtCA?si=2lUzji0nFtZP3JP5&t=635

aljurgela 07-16-2025 05:48 PM

photos...
 
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He shows up in a lot of photos (well not a lot compared to major leaguers, but the photos are out there).... plus the Toleteros card and the bat that I just posted about upstairs...

tippedfinger 07-16-2025 08:58 PM

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Gray's vs. the US Army in the '40's (fundraising game for the war.) Usually Satch graced the program covers, but Josh grabbed this one!

Hankphenom 07-17-2025 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tippedfinger (Post 2527825)
Gray's vs. the US Army in the '40's (fundraising game for the war.) Usually Satch graced the program covers, but Josh grabbed this one!

Spectacular! What year is this from? I assume the Army teams were white? Any idea what the record for the exhibitions was?

tippedfinger 07-17-2025 10:23 AM

The program was from 1943. All the soldiers were from PA (they were a strong team -- (30 and 3) -- and had a couple of major leaguers on the roster. Grays won the game though, 6-3. Gibson, Leonard, Bell, Wilson and Brown all played for the Grays. Leonard homered, and Gibson doubled and tripled. What a game, and not really covered in the history books. Everyone always talks about the Ruth war bond games, this was the Grays war bond game!

Brent G. 07-17-2025 12:37 PM

That is MAGNIFICENT!

Hankphenom 07-18-2025 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tippedfinger (Post 2527901)
The program was from 1943. All the soldiers were from PA (they were a strong team -- (30 and 3) -- and had a couple of major leaguers on the roster. Grays won the game though, 6-3. Gibson, Leonard, Bell, Wilson and Brown all played for the Grays. Leonard homered, and Gibson doubled and tripled. What a game, and not really covered in the history books. Everyone always talks about the Ruth war bond games, this was the Grays war bond game!

Fabulous artifact from a historic event. That one belongs in the NL HOF.

67Rally 07-20-2025 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tippedfinger (Post 2527825)
Gray's vs. the US Army in the '40's (fundraising game for the war.) Usually Satch graced the program covers, but Josh grabbed this one!

This is gorgeous! Any chance you could share images of the line-ups?

67Rally 07-20-2025 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tippedfinger (Post 2527825)
Gray's vs. the US Army in the '40's (fundraising game for the war.) Usually Satch graced the program covers, but Josh grabbed this one!

Apologies for the double post.

jerseygary 07-21-2025 06:33 AM

Yes, please share the rest of the scorecard - it's a real beauty. A look at the lineup and uniform numbers would begreat interest to Negro League historians, and I doubt there'll be another chance to see one again.Thank you for showing it here

jbhofmann 07-21-2025 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan (Post 2525588)
Outside of anything that can be documented as “game used”, that piece has to be the grail. One of the greatest pieces of memorabilia known to exist, and (true to form) PSA cannot even get it centered within the holder. Impressive!

They should fabricate a completely custom case for instances when items are worthy. This would be a worthy case.

jd9cards 07-22-2025 09:34 PM

1950-51 Toleteros Joshua Gibson
 
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Here is my 1950-51 Toleteros Joshua Gibson. I will be getting it graded at the National next week. Hoping for a PSA 4!

There are ~28 copies of the Toleteros Josh Gibson to exist. It is his only pack pulled card ever made close to when he played, a true baseball card Holy Grail, the "Black Honus Wagner".

whammons 07-23-2025 01:25 PM

I am looking for an autograph if there is ever 1 available.

Fandom0610 07-23-2025 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by whammons (Post 2528936)
I am looking for an autograph if there is ever 1 available.

Make sure you sell your house before you do...lol

perezfan 07-23-2025 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jbhofmann (Post 2528516)
They should fabricate a completely custom case for instances when items are worthy. This would be a worthy case.

Agree... For what they charge and how long they make you wait, get the damned thing centered and create a stellar presentation. PSA is crap.

ruth-gehrig 07-23-2025 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fandom0610 (Post 2528961)
Make sure you sell your house before you do...lol

Don't have to do that...Coaches Corner probably has one for a few hundred bucks in there next auction. Certificate of authenticity included.

Rhotchkiss 07-28-2025 05:31 PM

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I can add this

Hankphenom 07-29-2025 11:43 AM

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I can add this

Sweet Jesus! What year is this, he looks so young.

icollectDCsports 07-29-2025 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom (Post 2529861)
Sweet Jesus! What year is this, he looks so young.

I looked it up and he played for Ciudad Trujillo in the Dominican League in 1937. He was born in 1911.

bleeckerstreetcards 07-29-2025 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss (Post 2529767)
I can add this


Holy hell. With cool papa and Satch too, among others. The biggest names from the NLB.


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Rhotchkiss 07-29-2025 01:51 PM

It’s an amazing piece. Hank, I brought it to the trade event last year, but you did not attend. I can bring it again this year if you want. It’s beautiful in person.

Baseball Rarities 07-30-2025 11:52 AM

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Love seeing all of these Gibson pieces.

That 1937 Ciudad Trujillo photo has always been one of my favorites.

Here is an early image of Gibson along with his 1928 Pittsburgh Crawfords team. Gibson is 5th from the left.

This image was used by Graig Kreindler for the painting that was the basis for this poster and card. The poster includes Gibson in nine of uniforms arranged chronologically from 1928 through 1944. Ryan's Ciudad Trujillo and Jeremy's Concordio images were used for the poster as well.

Hankphenom 07-30-2025 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities (Post 2529981)
Love seeing all of these Gibson pieces.
That 1937 Ciudad Trujillo photo has always been one of my favorites.
Here is an early image of Gibson along with his 1928 Pittsburgh Crawfords team. Gibson if 5th from the left.

According to Wiki, he was with the Crawfords 1932-36, which seems more likely since he'd have been 16 if this was the 1928 team. Sure this is Gibson in your photo?

Baseball Rarities 07-30-2025 05:37 PM

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According to Wiki, he was with the Crawfords 1932-36, which seems more likely since he'd have been 16 if this was the 1928 team. Sure this is Gibson in your photo?

Hi Hank - Yes that is definitely a 16 year-old Josh Gibson. The photo came from the collection of teammate Harold "Hooks" Tinker, who is credited with bringing Gibson to the Crawfords in 1928.

Here is another photo from Tinker's collection that was taken at the same time. Tinker has identified all of the players on the back. Gibson is in the front row, on the far left.

Hankphenom 07-30-2025 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities (Post 2530030)
Hi Hank - Yes that is definitely a 16 year-old Josh Gibson. The photo came from the collection of teammate Harold "Hooks" Tinker, who is credited with bringing Gibson to the Crawfords in 1928. Here is another photo from Tinker's collection that was taken at the same time. Tinker has identified all of the players on the back. Gibson is in the front row, on the far left.

Incredible! Thanks, Kevin.

John1941 07-30-2025 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom (Post 2530027)
According to Wiki, he was with the Crawfords 1932-36, which seems more likely since he'd have been 16 if this was the 1928 team. Sure this is Gibson in your photo?


According to Wiki: "Shortly thereafter, he [Gibson] was recruited by the Pittsburgh Crawfords, which in 1928 were still a semi-professional team." When Wiki says 1932-36 it's referring to when the Pittsburgh Crawfords were professional.

JeremyW 07-30-2025 06:36 PM

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What a great bunch of Gibson items. Here's my 1934 Concordia (Venezuela) team photo (3.25X5.75) with Gibson, Martin Dihigo, Rap Dixon & others.

I believe the team was in the Dominican playing a tournament.

Rhotchkiss 07-30-2025 08:01 PM

This thread is unreal!

Hankphenom 07-30-2025 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by John1941 (Post 2530032)
According to Wiki: "Shortly thereafter, he [Gibson] was recruited by the Pittsburgh Crawfords, which in 1928 were still a semi-professional team." When Wiki says 1932-36 it's referring to when the Pittsburgh Crawfords were professional.

Thanks!

Sleepless72 08-04-2025 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas00 (Post 2525590)

That's a photo I'd love to have in my collection!

Sleepless72 08-04-2025 04:26 PM

This is an amazing thread. I've been collecting Josh Gibson since about 1999. I've always been a Pirates collector, but when Josh and others started appearing in Upper Deck sets, I said, "Why not? A Pittsburgh team is a Pittsburgh team!" It grew from there. Now Josh and Roberto Clemente are the two players I collect most. (Unfortunately, I can't keep up with all the Clemente cards that are released every year.)

I probably have 600-700 different Josh Gibson cards in my collection, including customs. I have some Josh Gibson rarities, but they're all relatively recent--nothing before the 1974 Laughlin Old-Time Black Stars and his HOF induction postcard--so I salivate at the memorabilia being shown here. Incredible stuff.

ruth-gehrig 08-04-2025 07:57 PM

So many great photos in this thread that are amazing "Kreindler Opportunities":D

jd9cards 08-15-2025 11:29 AM

National Grading Update
 
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Here is the result from grading my Toleteros Joshua Gibson at the National this year. It got the PSA 4 I expected.

Brent G. 08-15-2025 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jd9cards (Post 2533047)
Here is the result from grading my Toleteros Joshua Gibson at the National this year. It got the PSA 4 I expected.

Wow, that's fantastic, Jonah -- congrats! I've never seen that -- pop 16, that's NICE.

tjisonline 08-18-2025 11:26 AM

What a thread. Wow.

premiercardcollectors 08-18-2025 11:56 AM

Grail Card!


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MJRaider 08-18-2025 12:14 PM

Insane thread. Goodness!

Rhotchkiss 08-18-2025 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jd9cards (Post 2533047)
Here is the result from grading my Toleteros Joshua Gibson at the National this year. It got the PSA 4 I expected.

Beast!

Bpm0014 08-22-2025 08:00 AM

Grading is so weird. A 4 out of 10 would imply that the card is somewhat below average (if “5” is average). And that’s just not fair, nor does it make sense. That looks like a 7 to me!

bcbgcbrcb 08-30-2025 05:28 PM

Nice trip down memory lane. I once owned the Toleteros card, snapshot photo, ‘34 Crawford’s panorama and ‘37 Ciudad Trujillo. Not luck enough to have gotten the ‘31 Harrison Studios p/c, although I tried hard. Sad to say that all are gone today but better to have once owned than never to have owned at all, correct?


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