Cards From The B/S/T Finally Arrived!
 

Seller had a nice group of cards up for sale. I responded with a PM. We agree and the money is sent. Weeks go by, no cards. I send PMs and am told, tracking and a photo show delivery. Well, they did not come to me. Seller won't send me the tracking number or the photo. So I am out the money, and no cards.

I have learned this hard lesson over and over...if it seems too good to be true, it is.

Well that sucks, sorry to hear it. Any reason you aren't IDing the seller?

How long had the seller been a member and about how many posts did he have? In other words, was he a well known poster (at least to you)?

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He's a long time net54 member. As Leon would say, there is 2 sides to every story. I don't want to out him here. It does pretty much suck to be out the money and the cards.

The seller never provided you the tracking number? If that is accurate, then the onus is on him, in my opinion.

I have yet to sell anything here. However, I have sold several thousands of dollars worth of Apple MacBook Pros, iPad Pros and iPhones over the 12+ years I have been a member on a very well-known site and have always provided tracking, as well as requiring signature delivery, and have never had a problem.

If the story is accurate as stated, I think the long time member should refund your money with an apology. Granted sometimes an emergency happens, which can delay shipping etc. but, that is rare and members who care about their forum integrity and ability to transact, will make sure to communicate and do the right thing.

So was the deal raw, or were the cards raw?

Or maybe both?

Both. And it sucks.

That right there is Bullshit. What's the purpose of a tracking number if the seller won't share it. Tracking, imo, is more for the buyer than the seller so the buyer can watch, see the shipping history knowing thereabouts when the cards are to arrive.
Did the seller tell you tracking would be provided when he sold you the cards?

Curious about the other side of the story on this one.

I've never asked for a tracking number from the BST sellers because all of the sellers I've purchased from have PROVIDED the tracking number the day the goods are sent. I've done the same thing when I send a package. I always provide the tracking information ASAP. It just seems natural.

Edited to add: If the item is inexpensive, I can understand the lack of tracking, but for anything worth over $100, I think it's appropriate.

Without naming the seller what is the point of this thread?:confused:

I can't think of a single good reason not to send the tracking number outside of an accident, serious illness, or family crisis.

I haven't sold much here (or elsewhere) but when I do I've sent the tracking number immediately, usually from the lobby of my local PO.

Sure hope this has a good resolution.

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+1, this is SOP on BST.

The fact that, after things went wrong, the seller won't share the tracking, seems much worse to me than not providing it in the first place and is very suspicious.

I agree. Not providing the tracking number when things have gone awry is extremely suspicious.

NM (never mind, not near mint). :rolleyes:

or maybe.....
 

Or maybe a bit earlier a 1978 Topps set???? Sorry this happened..... does not sound like other deals Ive done on Net54 where the tracking number is sent as soon as payment is made.... unless I request my El Cheapo PWE ( whcih hasnt ever failed me yet BTW). Rocky

Did the seller provide a reason for not providing the tracking number and delivery picture that you can share in this thread? If not, it doesn't sound like his side of the story is very strong.

If you haven't already - you need to get with Leon (or maybe he is already aware?) and let him know the particulars on this deal.

This morning he sent a photo of the package of cards, but it is sitting on the desk in his home, prior to shipment. But still no tracking number. I do not believe he ever mailed it.

yup ...

Use the word "raw" one more time?

Just a guess

How would you like being ripped off? Thanks much for the sarcastic BS I would expect.

Another reason to have informed delivery w/ USPS and the corresponding apps for Fed Ex/UPS.

Even so, seller sucks and should be outed.

raw card deal
 

James-

This scenario should never happen on net54 as described. The refusal to
provide tracking is the equivalent of this seller wearing a T-shirt with the
phrase "I'm Lying!" in phosphorescent letters. The onus here is on the seller,
rather than on you for being savvy to every possible safety net offered by
shippers. If you are venting by typing this note, I get it. If you are looking
for advice, I'd suggest you press the issue through Leon privately.

Trent King

PS- I have yet to read a single useful comment from Republicaninmass,
ignore him. Most people use milk on cereal, he evidently pours whiskey.
A real charmer:)

I have sent all of this to Leon. I wanted to get some forum exposure without having to out the seller. No need for that. There may be some sort of issue there. We'll see.

I will contact the very long time member and see what is going on.

Sometimes, I don't provide tracking on items I ship, sometimes I do. I do every time someone asks for one though. And I offer immediate refunds even if there is much of a delay, until the item arrives.

IF a buyer asks for tracking and it's agreed that he should have it, I don't see much of a reason to not give it. I wouldn't want those kinds of sellers on the BST, but this is out of character for him.

Also, I got a pm yesteday that someone was selling cards they don't have. Another company owns them. If this happens, and you are caught, you will be banned.
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Why? If the seller had an issue, what's the need for exposure on the forum, especially before you even know what's going on? Are you planning on posting what it was if you find out?

Hes already been ripped off by a long time member.

Please use reading comprehension.


Here We have judge Judy (sic) and executioner.

Color me surprised

How long has it been now since you sent the money?

:confused:

Hi James
After conferring with the seller, it seems he was correct from what I am seeing. Maybe the fact it went to all of the USPS centers below was the problem. I am pretty sure he gave this info to you too, except you might not have drilled down far enough in the USPS system. Here is what it shows for your package.....I just cut and pasted it



Moving Through Network

In Transit to Next Facility


March 29, 2025


Arrived at USPS Facility

AURORA, CO 80018

March 27, 2025, 5:37 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 25, 2025, 8:04 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 24, 2025, 11:13 pm

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 10:02 am

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 8:17 am

Arrived at Post Office

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 5:54 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 24, 2025, 3:23 am

In Transit to Next Facility

March 24, 2025, 2:20 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 23, 2025, 3:32 pm

In Transit to Next Facility

March 23, 2025, 2:23 pm

Departed USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 23, 2025, 1:07 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 22, 2025, 4:57 am

In Transit to Next Facility

March 22, 2025, 3:36 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 22, 2025, 2:00 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 21, 2025, 7:37 pm

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 21, 2025, 6:55 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 21, 2025, 4:33 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 8:25 pm

Departed USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 5:56 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 11:19 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 20, 2025, 12:57 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 19, 2025, 5:36 pm

Processing at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 19, 2025, 9:25 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

FORT MYERS, FL 33907

March 19, 2025, 3:48 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 18, 2025, 6:35 pm

Departed USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 18, 2025, 3:51 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 17, 2025, 7:22 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

FORT MYERS FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 15, 2025, 5:00 am

Arrived at USPS Facility

TAMPA, FL 33610

March 14, 2025, 8:20 pm

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

YBOR CITY FL DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 14, 2025, 10:18 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

JERSEY CITY NJ DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 10:36 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

JERSEY CITY NJ DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 4:11 am

Departed USPS Regional Facility

NEW YORK NY DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 3:45 am

Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

NEW YORK NY DISTRIBUTION CENTER

March 13, 2025, 12:03 am



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So did seller give buyer the tracking number or not?

I don't care if he gave him tracking history. Buyer always deserves the actual tracking number.

Whenever I sell a card, the buyer gets a photo of the package with the label and tracking number affixed.

If the tracking number was shared, that changes things. But if not, seller should be ashamed.

I feel it should be standard practice to provide buyers with a tracking number. It doesn’t take long to write or take a picture of it. The tracking number is so valuable for so many reasons. So much can be accomplished and avoided with it. Without it well [emoji102][emoji1375]


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If the details provided by Leon are accurate, then it sounds like the raw deal for the raw cards might become slightly less raw at some point soon.

I hope they get to you!

Definitely no fun sitting around interminably waiting for cards to arrive after you’ve made payment, particularly if the seller isn’t very forthcoming with the details around shipment.

No sir. He never gave me the tracking. He kept repeating that he would provide tracking but never did. This morning, he provided a photo of the package BEFORE he mailed it, sitting on his desk. He seemed to think I was accusing him of never having mailed it, which is not the case. I thought the package was lost or stolen, but he never gave me the tracking, so all I could do is guess. Maybe someday it will arrive, although with tracking like this, who knows. The photo he sent this morning does have my correct address on the package. This is probably the worst example of USPS tracking I have ever seen.

edited in lieu of last comment by OP

It doesn't, and it has not been.

That tracking history is insane. Not providing tracking seems like some kind of weird power trip.

Not sure why the seller stated tracking shows package delivered since the info that Leon posted shows the package is clearly still in transit. There is NO reason a tracking number should ever be withheld by a seller. Not sure why this is ok?

If the cards do end up lost this is one reason it is great to have slabbed cards with cert numbers.

I mailed the cards three weeks ago with tracking
 

James is a good person and i see the cards have gone jn a whirlwind crazy,,it happens just got an eddie shore three weeks later.crazy sometimes,,,,i will refund james his $15 dollars .if the cards arrive he can keep them ..thx leon for your help octavio,,

Is Colorado where it is supposed to go?

Hi peter ft myers fl just insane usps nuts

Maybe he could start a gofundme for the 15$?


Most times it's the usps to blame, though others like to rush to judgement

Jim has bought from me all the time good person and honest its not the money the cards were nice and he liked them ,,for his set ,,i just got an eddie shore three weeks later ,

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So all this drama is over $15 bucks?

He's not refunding anything. Case closed. Dismissed...

It often seems to be the case that once a USPS package goes off course, it stays there for a while. That said, the trip out to Colorado is remarkable.

It appears good communication from the start from the seller (and during the shipping process) could have prevented the buyer from getting rightfully frustrated.

I recently made a forum purchase from Seablaster and he provided tracking right away (without me having to ask first) and let me know, that he feels he is responsible for the package until it arrives to the buyer. In my opinion, that kind of seller experience on here is A+ and something everyone should provide.

On the other forum I am a member of, I have also made it a point at times to send a message to the buyer during shipping, letting him or her know that I am actively tracking the package and am aware of its location (or delay). It helps quell most concerns of the buyer when he or she knows you care.

Peter hi agreed insane were good

I'll take "It's the principle" for $15, Alex.

Personally, if I feel ripped off, I am going to say something, $15 or $1500. James didn't put Ocatavio's name out here. He was just pissed at the situation. I think there were some miscommunications, or human error, and will just leave it at that. It doesn't matter a whole lot. (it can be argued, but I won't care :))

The cards were shipped on time and USPS is a joke on this one.

To clarify too, yes, if a member asks for a tracking number, and tracking was to be provided in the shipping (how can it not be?), then it should be given to the buyer.

Both are good members. Happy collecting!

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I once sent a certified letter with some original documents that literally disappeared for two months, reappeared in the destination city (LA), pinged back and forth between LA and (of all places) Sacramento for a week, and then finally got delivered to the WRONG ADDRESS lol but fortunately the person contacted the addressee who picked it up.

Halftime report:

Thread gets started about a lost package from a deal on the BST.
Multiple rants by the OP.
The board gets drawn in more.
Leon gets drawn in to mediate.
Tracking history is provided by Leon.
Seller's name never gets disclosed.
Seller pops in, anyway.
Nobody involved will clarify if tracking was ever provided.
Seller offers refund and OP rejects it.
All over $15...

I have had 2 very recent mailing issues with Sterling Auctions and another board member. I won a small item in Sterling and sent a check as I am a cheap bastard and will save a few percent when I can. After weeks, I got an email saying it hadn't arrived. Lee and I (*hey Lee) just said he would ship and we could make it right on advertising....About a month later Lee said he got the check and it looked like the USPS machine messed up the envelope. He just tore it up, no problem.

On the other, it was one of those huge Team pics that was auctioned on the front page. I sent it out within a few days and sometime later (3 weeks'ish) the winner asked about it. I tracked it and it only showed, in transit. I told him I would go ahead and refund him (it was a small amount but still) and he said just wait. Quite some time later (maybe a month) he said he finally got it. Stuff happens.

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Let me help on my only small part. Seller said it was given to the buyer and the buyer said he didn't get it. I don't really care at this point. And no, I didn't want to get pulled in, but am always happy to try to help.

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Here is a completely unrelated Bowman given to me by the OBC guys a long time ago..

The Reese is by far the best reason to click on this particular thread. Thanks for the thread save.

Why don't you do us all a favor, and drop effing dead. Clear the ear wax. It isn't about the money. It's about the cards. Who cares what they cost, other than you. They were 6 1948 Bowman cards the seller was basically giving away. If it was a $15M 52 Mantle, would that make it more relevant to you. Stop the nonsense, stop being a bottom feeder jackass please.

Angry much?

It's still in the system and being tracked. That's a good thing.

It's going on a weird ass tour of the United States, but someone is scanning the package.

It doesn't help any immediate wants or needs, but the system is still aware it exists.

[emoji106][emoji2935] [emoji1375] with $15.00 i can make a really nice Chicken Vegetable stew that feeds me and mines for couple days .

If anyone feels 15 is chump change i gladly accept your donations of that amount just ask me for my paypal lol.


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So has buyer received the tracking number or not? If it was provided once, why could it not be provided again?

If a seller refuses to supply a tracking it’s because it doesn’t exist.

Just quit it. Do you think I made up that sequence of USPS offices above, where it has been delivered? I am sure the buyer has it by now and I do too.

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That response seems wildly over the top over baseball cards.

lol

What part of this do you morons simply not understand? How many times do we have to tell you? It IS NOT about the freaking money. It's about the cards. Get it through your thick skulls, and DROP IT. PLEASE.

This is a very informative thread, in spite of what some might have said already I have learned a lot! Some is what was already known but reinforced.

1. Always insist on getting tracking info.
2. Don't start diss threads for purchases under fifty bucks.
3. Never trust USPS to deliver something on time.
4. Some folks will argue anything.
5. Keep a closer eye on BST stuff is obv cheaper there than I realized.
6. Leon is a boss, deal straight or be prepared to answer for it. I like that.
7. Don't freak out if it takes two weeks to get a package. (see item #3)
8. Folks on this forum are passionate collectors and look out for each other.
9. Communication solves problems, OP was mad but respectful enough not to flame the seller and it looks like it's working out for everyone.

I'll be happy to mail you $15 to make you whole, Jim.

For someone who's on Risa, you would think you would be more relaxed by now.

Probably not in this case, but many times on ebay I got a "score" and they never showed up. I had anxiety over the shipping, as another buyer could easily try to offer more money, and in the end I was correct. The seller had never shipped and I missed out on a card. A few times it was even a BOARD MEMBER who made the offer and ended up with the card, after I'd paid for it!

hungry
 

Thanks Jorge...now I'm hungry...Jerry

The tracking history is set forth at length above. So obviously James now has it. :eek::confused:

Having tracking history and having a tracking number are not the same thing.

At least it took until page 2 to escalate to death wishes.

I had assumed (perhaps erroneously) that Leon had gotten the tracking history from the seller.

Right, and if buyer doesn't have the number then they can't check the status on their own. This whole situation just seems bizarre to me.

Ah I see what you and Tim are saying, but Octavio obviously owned this, I am certain if James wants the number he will give it to him if he already has not.

Not if your site is configured like mine.:cool:

No I don’t believe you made anything up.

I didn’t see a delivery scan in that mess. 2nd, just because you posted that doesn’t mean it was the correct tracking information. Without the number and all origin and destination that was worthless. Furthermore, tracking information can be modified after the fact. Just because you see something now doesn’t mean it looked like that a couple weeks ago.

Dizzy, I'm so dizzy my head is spinning…