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frankbmd 02-19-2025 09:31 AM

Trivia: Mr. Consistency?
 
For 7 consecutive years these were my average stats per year

Games Played 153

Plate Appearances 654

WAR 2.4

Runs scored 76

Hits 172

Doubles 27

Triples 3

Home Runs 16

Bases on Balls 36

Strike Outs 47

Batting Average .283

Slugging Average .416

I only played for one team.

For 7 years none of my stats varied very much.

Looking for two answers

1. Who am I?

2. Is there any regular player in major league history with a more consistent 7 year consecutive span? I don't know of one.

clydepepper 02-19-2025 10:32 AM

My first thought...just based on the stats you shared...without doing any checking - was Bobby Doerr, but answer must be someone during 162-game seasons...right?

jimmer77 02-19-2025 12:27 PM

Fred Lynn?

Probably not close but for some reason his name came to mind

Beercan collector 02-19-2025 12:38 PM

I don’t know the answer but being a Cardinals fan I remember Ozzie Smith had exactly 50 RBIs every year for about 20 years

rats60 02-19-2025 12:46 PM

Khris Davis hit .247 4 seasons in a row.

Beercan collector 02-19-2025 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmer77 (Post 2497518)
Fred Lynn?

Probably not close but for some reason his name came to mind

Robin Yount , Paul Molitor ?

stlcardsfan 02-19-2025 01:22 PM

Harvey Kuehn

frankbmd 02-19-2025 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by clydepepper (Post 2497497)
My first thought...just based on the stats you shared...without doing any checking - was Bobby Doerr, but answer must be someone during 162-game seasons...right?

Bobby Doerr - no

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Originally Posted by jimmer77 (Post 2497518)
Fred Lynn?

Probably not close but for some reason his name came to mind

Fred Lynn - no

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Originally Posted by Beercan collector (Post 2497523)
I don’t know the answer but being a Cardinals fan I remember Ozzie Smith had exactly 50 RBIs every year for about 20 years

Ozzie - no

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Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 2497526)
Khris Davis hit .247 4 seasons in a row.

Khris Davis - no

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Originally Posted by Beercan collector (Post 2497529)
Robin Yount , Paul Molitor ?

Robin Yount - no
Paul Molitor - no


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Originally Posted by stlcardsfan (Post 2497542)
Harvey Kuehn

Harvey Kuenn - no


So far seven incorrect guesses.

Please note that I gave enough data to assure that there would not be more than one.

I do not know if there is someone more consistent (with different numbers over a seven year span) than the Mr. Consistency in this thread.

D. Bergin 02-19-2025 02:03 PM

That's such an average stat line, I can't even begin to think who it might be.

Jose Cruz?

Tom Tresh?

frankbmd 02-19-2025 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2497557)
That's such an average stat line, I can't even begin to think who it might be.

Jose Cruz?

Tom Tresh?

Cruz and Tresh are #8 and #9 in the "no" column.

clydepepper 02-19-2025 02:27 PM

Roy White?

frankbmd 02-19-2025 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by clydepepper (Post 2497561)
Roy White?

Number 10 in the no column

D. Bergin 02-19-2025 02:37 PM

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I think Khris Davis was mentioned as perhaps a challenge to the crown.

Not a 7 year run, but his 3 year run from 2016 to 2018 has to be in the running for most consistent 3 year run I've ever seen.

Not just batting average, but almost identical across the board in nearly every category.

D. Bergin 02-19-2025 02:39 PM

Bill Freehan?

bk400 02-19-2025 04:22 PM

I'm going with a late career George Brett or a late career Kirby Puckett. The 172 average hits and one-team career seem like the biggest clues.

frankbmd 02-19-2025 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2497566)
I think Khris Davis was mentioned as perhaps a challenge to the crown.

Not a 7 year run, but his 3 year run from 2016 to 2018 has to be in the running for most consistent 3 year run I've ever seen.

Not just batting average, but almost identical across the board in nearly every category.

Khris Davis has an admirable 3 year run. I'll check to see if mu guy can come close, but 7 years should trump 3 years regardless, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2497567)
Bill Freehan?

Bill Freehan is 11th no.

frankbmd 02-19-2025 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2497590)
I'm going with a late career George Brett or a late career Kirby Puckett. The 172 average hits and one-team career seem like the biggest clues.

Brett is the 12th no, followed closely by Kirby Puckett the 13th.

frankbmd 02-19-2025 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2497557)
That's such an average stat line, I can't even begin to think who it might be.

Even though my stat line was considered "average", I participated in 6 consecutive All-Star games.

Peter_Spaeth 02-19-2025 04:41 PM

Bobby Grich?

D. Bergin 02-19-2025 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2497593)
Even though my stat line was considered "average", I participated in 6 consecutive All-Star games.

Hmmm. Must be a glove guy with sneaky pop.

Frank White?

Cliff Bowman 02-19-2025 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2497486)
I only played for one team.

Key clue.

bk400 02-19-2025 04:51 PM

I don't think Brooks Robinson averaged 172 hits over a 7-year period, but I'll guess him.

D. Bergin 02-19-2025 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2497602)
I don't think Brooks Robinson averaged 172 hits over a 7-year period, but I'll guess him.

Most of the guys I've thought of like Brooksie, Whitaker, Trammell....their WAR is gonna be too high.

D. Bergin 02-19-2025 05:16 PM

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Maybe we have a challenger here for consistency. Stumbled upon this fella. He's not your guy, but he's got a 10 year run that doesn't deviate very much at all. Bonus points if anybody guesses who it is. He also played for the same team his whole career.

frankbmd 02-19-2025 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2497613)
Maybe we have a challenger here for consistency. Stumbled upon this fella. He's not your guy, but he's got a 10 year run that doesn't deviate very much at all. Bonus points if anybody guesses who it is. He also played for the same team his whole career.

Dave, thanks for contribution and this contest may be closer than we both think. Your guy's eighth year is clearly an outlier in multiple columns. So I would call him a 7 year man in terms of consistency.

My guy's career was not limited to 7 years. I'm guessing one of his eighth years (before or after the seven shown) would compare favorably to your example, but this is what I was looking for in terms of other players who were noted for consistency, if nothing else.;)

frankbmd 02-19-2025 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2497594)
Bobby Grich?

14th no

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2497595)
Hmmm. Must be a glove guy with sneaky pop.

Frank White?

15th no

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Originally Posted by bk400 (Post 2497602)
I don't think Brooks Robinson averaged 172 hits over a 7-year period, but I'll guess him.

16th no

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2497607)
Most of the guys I've thought of like Brooksie, Whitaker, Trammell....their WAR is gonna be too high.

17-19th nos

frankbmd 02-19-2025 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2497613)
Maybe we have a challenger here for consistency. Stumbled upon this fella. He's not your guy, but he's got a 10 year run that doesn't deviate very much at all. Bonus points if anybody guesses who it is. He also played for the same team his whole career.

Dave, My guy's eighth year is a better fit to his streak, than your unnamed entry. I will put you in 2nd place though (so far).

Peter_Spaeth 02-19-2025 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2497613)
Maybe we have a challenger here for consistency. Stumbled upon this fella. He's not your guy, but he's got a 10 year run that doesn't deviate very much at all. Bonus points if anybody guesses who it is. He also played for the same team his whole career.

Bernie Williams?

frankbmd 02-19-2025 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2497624)
Bernie Williams?

#20 - no

D. Bergin 02-19-2025 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2497624)
Bernie Williams?

Nope.

It’s surprising how little this guys name comes up nowadays. Not a superstar, but a solid player.

His Rookie card was slightly hot for a minute or two.

frankbmd 02-19-2025 06:26 PM

Dave and Peter,

Bernie was an excellent choice and would likely be on the Top Ten Consistency list, if one existed.

bnorth 02-19-2025 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2497637)
Dave and Peter,

Bernie was an excellent choice and would likely be on the Top Ten Consistency list, if one existed.

How about his teammate Derek Jeter?

Cliff Bowman 02-19-2025 06:37 PM

To avoid confusion, Frank informed me that the player he is looking for did play for a second team at the end of his career.

frankbmd 02-19-2025 06:39 PM

Jeter makes #21 no

Cliff Bowman 02-19-2025 06:46 PM

Gabby Hartnett did play in six straight All Star games and played for the Giants his last year but he definitely didn't average 153 games a year.

cgjackson222 02-19-2025 07:26 PM

Frank Malzone

frankbmd 02-19-2025 07:28 PM

Frank Malzone -


BINGO

Peter_Spaeth 02-19-2025 07:43 PM

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...alzofr01.shtml

I don't see six CONSECUTIVE all star games. 4, then 2.

frankbmd 02-19-2025 07:48 PM

Peter,

Frank was in 8 AS tilts

1957 *
1958 (3B)
1959-1 *
1959-2 (3B)
1960-1 (3B)
1960-2 (3B)

1963 (3B)
1964

The highlighted 6 were consecutive.

As you may not recall in 1959 and 1960 there were two AS games in each of those summers.

Peter_Spaeth 02-19-2025 07:49 PM

If I ever knew that I have forgotten. What was the deal there, that's odd.

John1941 02-19-2025 07:50 PM

delete - replied to something that was already replied to

John1941 02-19-2025 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2497613)
Maybe we have a challenger here for consistency. Stumbled upon this fella. He's not your guy, but he's got a 10 year run that doesn't deviate very much at all. Bonus points if anybody guesses who it is. He also played for the same team his whole career.

Took me a sec - 'tis Kent Hrbek.

frankbmd 02-19-2025 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2497669)
If I ever knew that I have forgotten. What was the deal there, that's odd.

In 1959-1962 there were two each summer. Reason given was to increase the funds in the retired players pension fund.

Apparently it didn't work very well as it only lasted 4 years.

Let's not quibble over whether Hrbek is more consistent than Malzone. Actually they are very close. Depending how you do the calculations could favor either.

Peter_Spaeth 02-19-2025 08:03 PM

16.4 WAR, 8 all star games. There may be something there.

jayshum 02-19-2025 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2497667)
Peter,

Frank was in 8 AS tilts

1957 *
1958 (3B)
1959-1 *
1959-2 (3B)
1960-1 (3B)
1960-2 (3B)

1963 (3B)
1964

The highlighted 6 were consecutive.

As you may not recall in 1959 and 1960 there were two AS games in each of those summers.

I knew there were 2 AS games some years. I'm just not sure why he was selected to so many of them. I guess that period was not a strong time for AL thirdbasemen.

frankbmd 02-19-2025 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2497682)
I knew there were 2 AS games some years. I'm just not sure why he was selected to so many of them. I guess that period was not a strong time for AL thirdbasemen.

He played in 99% of the Red Sox games until Brooks Robinson was old enough to play.

cgjackson222 02-19-2025 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John1941 (Post 2497672)
Took me a sec - 'tis Kent Hrbek.

Nice call John

John1941 02-19-2025 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222 (Post 2497686)
Nice call John

A formative experience in my early days of collecting was when I was given a big box of 1980s-90s cards that some friends found in the attic of the house they moved into. I pored over their card backs and their stats are still engrained in me.

Seeing Hrbek's stats again are like meeting again a friend from my early childhood that I had forgotten.

D. Bergin 02-19-2025 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John1941 (Post 2497672)
Took me a sec - 'tis Kent Hrbek.

Correct. Nice catch.

D. Bergin 02-19-2025 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2497664)
Frank Malzone -


BINGO

Ahh, Malzone. Never crossed my mind, but it makes sense.

rats60 02-20-2025 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2497486)
For 7 consecutive years these were my average stats per year

Games Played 153

Plate Appearances 654

WAR 2.4

Runs scored 76

Hits 172

Doubles 27

Triples 3

Home Runs 16

Bases on Balls 36

Strike Outs 47

Batting Average .283

Slugging Average .416

I only played for one team.

For 7 years none of my stats varied very much.

Looking for two answers

1. Who am I?

2. Is there any regular player in major league history with a more consistent 7 year consecutive span? I don't know of one.

Runs Scored Varied from 60-90.
Hits Varied from 157-185.
Doubles Varied from 20-34.
Triples Varied from 2-5.
Homers Varied from 14-21.
RBIs Varied from 71-103.
BB Varied from 31-44.
SO varied from 41-58.
BA varied from .266-.295
SLG varied from .386-.437
WAR varied from .9-3.5

That doesn't seem very consistant to me. About the only thing he was consistant at was games played.

D. Bergin 02-20-2025 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 2497779)
Runs Scored Varied from 60-90.
Hits Varied from 157-185.
Doubles Varied from 20-34.
Triples Varied from 2-5.
Homers Varied from 14-21.
RBIs Varied from 71-103.
BB Varied from 31-44.
SO varied from 41-58.
BA varied from .266-.295
SLG varied from .386-.437
WAR varied from .9-3.5

That doesn't seem very consistant to me. About the only thing he was consistant at was games played.


His OBP and OPS was nearly identical for 7 years straight. Fluctuation in WAR can be accounted for by competition from other players at his position in any given year.

I'd say for a major league baseball player, those are pretty consistent numbers.

jayshum 02-20-2025 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2497784)
His OBP and OPS was nearly identical for 7 years straight. Fluctuation in WAR can be accounted for by competition from other players at his position in any given year.

I'd say for a major league baseball player, those are pretty consistent numbers.

His OPS ranged from .700 to .760 while his OBP was between .313 and .333. I'm not sure I would consider those to be nearly identical numbers for either. If you take out years 4 and 5, then the ranges are .745 to .760 and .319 to .333 which are much smaller, but that kind of kills the idea that he was so consistent over 7 straight years since years 4 and 5 tend to be the low numbers for almost all of his stats.

D. Bergin 02-20-2025 01:39 PM

Fella's, I guess the challenge would be to come up with another player who is more consistently, and reliably predictable from season to season across multiple categories then either Frank Malzone or Kent Hrbek.

I also posted Khris Davis's numbers across a shorter 3 year time frame.

Numbers will vary. Statistics always do....unless you're Khris Davis and batting average I guess.

D. Bergin 02-20-2025 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum (Post 2497800)
His OPS ranged from .700 to .760 while his OBP was between .313 and .333. I'm not sure I would consider those to be nearly identical numbers for either. If you take out years 4 and 5, then the ranges are .745 to .760 and .319 to .333 which are much smaller, but that kind of kills the idea that he was so consistent over 7 straight years since years 4 and 5 tend to be the low numbers for almost all of his stats.

I find those differences pretty minor, considering it's a 7 year time frame we're talking about.

I'm sure Frank is open to see example stat lines from other players that are consistently....more consistent. ;)

Beercan collector 02-20-2025 03:46 PM

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Tony Perez seven year run (hits are a bit off but check the ribbies) - Probably a lot of players similar to this .
If Pitchers were included Warren Spahn was very consistent


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