Probstein Magie listing
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37568716279...Bk9SR-znl7HKZA

Seriously?

Wow. How does ebay allow that?

it obviously won't pass the ebay/auth/cert process...assuming there is one?

There is. I expect the listing will be cancelled later today, but I'm surprised it got by the Probstein staff. I would have assumed they knew what actual T206s look like and that they knew that this particular card wouldn't have a 350 back.

People are bidding on it. The card will pass the ($250) threshold, assuming Rick doesn't end it early.

If it goes to authentication, it shouldn't pass. You never know, though.

In any event, shame on the consignor. They probably figure it's a low-risk move with a potentially high reward. Hopefully, it ends poorly for them.

I'm sure some low level data entry person let it through. Will be sure to get pulled once the right people are aware of it............I hope. :eek:

If you Shillstien it, they will come.

"We do not accept returns. All sales are final."

Really??

Wow they have a few bad apples in their recent listings. This Matty is terrible!

This is completely and totally absurd. Probstien knows the difference between a fake and original. And quite honestly this is why its important to study the cards and printing. What a fake phony fraud this is and now I'm getting mad. What's next from Probstien, a 350 Series Tolstoi back Honus Wagner?!

Bidding is over $1,000 with four and a half days to go.

:eek::eek:

If it were slabbed, perhaps he could tell. Not convinced he could spot a raw reprint, unless it was completely obvious.

I would guess that Rick hasn’t personally handled a card he has sold in more than a decade.

Has anyone emailed him? These aren't even close.

Was wondering the same thing - I’d do it but my T206 knowledge is not bulletproof as others on this site

Interesting bids to get it over $2,000.

Yes sir - The same bidder with 12 feedback has made most of the bids ,
From $1.54 all the way up to $2100

Thankfully Probstein is a classy and reputable seller and his operation will surely both remove these obviously fake cards they've had listed for days and ban this shill bidder. Any minute now. Any moment. And if they don't, surely eBay will do something with the flag report I and others have made. Surely.

I did the other day on the Magie and explained what was wrong with it but have gotten no response.

The fact Probstein is even selling the card raw tells you all you need to know about his clown car operation.

He won't respond. Never does unless they are confidently incorrect. I stopped bothering emailing him about a decade ago after outing between 20-25 bad items over the years. His reps responded to exactly one email, when I tried to explain the card below wasn't PSA/DNA authenticated and the auto was probably bad. They responded that " the holder had not been compromised and that the auto was clearly authenticated as designated on the flip'. Funny enough, the card sold for a ridiculous sum and 6 months later was in a mid-major auction house popular on this forum. I again emailed that auction house and tried to explain the same issues. They also responded that the auto was clearly deemed authentic by PSA. It sold for even more dough. So I took it to the CU forums to hopefully educate some people. CU responded by giving me one month vacation. I gave up at that point.... My new belief system is that if you can drop four or five figures on a picture of a dude, you can take a little time to learn not to be a sucker.


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It's so difficult for me to fathom that there are people with lots of money and apparently some degree of interest in this hobby who will spend untold amounts on items that mere minutes of education would have told them was bad. Many of these people are obviously successes in other parts of their lives to be able to afford such material. If you are interested in any subject, then why wouldn't you learn anything about it? I would not want to be stuck in a conversation with people like that, even for a nanosecond. Not my way of thinking.

If the winner of the card in the OP is actually a legitimate bidder, they deserve to own that card. Sorry, I have no compassion for that level of ignorance. But they will be covered if it even gets that far. I'm amazed it has stayed up this long. Every aspect of this auction is infuriating.

It's clear that the grade is not for the autograph and I'm amazed (not really) that both Leland's and Probstein would sell it. A simple review of the pop report shows that the card doesn't exist in the pop report as autographed, corroborated by the lack of autograph notation on the flip. What a joke!

As for the fake T206s, at this point I also have little empathy for the buyers. The cards jump out of the screen as fake. But this is the hobby and collectors are salivating at the prospect of getting a raw card at a cheap price.

"This listing was ended by the seller on Sun, Oct 6 at 5:39 AM because there was an error in the listing."

Forgot the word reprint.

Yea this one was obvious too. Looks like it got taken down also.


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Forgot?

Forgot.

Sure, we'll go with that.

"forgot"

Hence the name, "Shillstien". And after the obvious shill bidder wins, the item will be relisted and you'll have to go through the same shill bidder again. Ben Shiller will still be able to bid against you after he doesn't pay for a string of wins. Happens most days there. E-bay likes it and so does Rick Shillstein.

Long live shilling on ebay and long live crooked shilling "Prober"

Hey Chuck, good to know you are an antisemite. From this Jew - go fuck yourself, you piece of shit .

Ryan Hotchkiss

:( Oh man please apologize for that statement...not cool.

While we have a number of threads where people demand there to be racism, I can't remember a direct actual occurrence of it here. What is wrong with you?

Umm, yeah...have you ever looked around at a show? I'd venture Jewish men make up the strongest percentage on the collector ethnicity pie chart. Such comments obviously aren't good regardless, but it always helps to know your audience before you work the room.

He's gone. (from this Jewish guy)
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I had honestly just gotten up to grab my egg timer.

Happy New Year!

Shame, but I wont miss any sleep.

Yeesh, my sincerest apologies. Certainly did not know this comment was anti-semitic in anyway? My mother is Jewish, so that makes me Jewish too and I've been pretty sensitive to it my entire life. I never in my wildest dreams realized that phrase would offend. I am very sorry to you and to anyone else the "phrase" offended.

Thanks for the email (and post) about it. Apology accepted....
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Are you kidding? eBay, the company that continually tries to sell me 1991 Fleer Jose Uribe error cards for 5+ figures on their homepage?

eBay has never bothered to invest in either hiring or becoming category experts themselves, and apparently with their complicated authentication policies - never intend to. That's how they allow that.

Probstein Magie listing
 

Here’s another example. Because I clicked on Probstein in this thread, eBay now wants to sell me this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13527522244...mis&media=COPY


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Look, I have no horse in this race (riot), and have no interest in getting wrath for speaking up, but when someone refers to a beanie, the immediate thought has always been using it to compare (read: insult) someone to a little, clueless kid wearing a propeller on his hat...a genericized beanie.

I checked Wikipedia for the hell of it and the listing is Beanie (seamed cap). Can't find anything about Judaism there.

Color me confused about the anger flying here.

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beenie = beanie = antisemitic (read = yamaka)

One of the more fortunate and educational aspects of my childhood and youth was growing up in a VERY diverse neighborhood...Catholics, Protestants, and Jewish. And we all got along. That is, except for the eventualities that are bound to arise from time to time with a bunch of dumbass kids. One day, in anger and stupidity over something nonsensical, I made the stupid mistake of calling one of my best friends the aforementioned "beanie boy". After having my butt royally kicked, he didn't speak to me for about a week. I deserved everything I got. He eventually forgave me, and life went on, until some new crisis came along within our crew.

Seems pretty obvious it was in reference to Probstein's religious headwear he usually wears. Seems pretty plain that he should be criticized on legitimate grounds (like the shilling and fake cards) and that this is not legitimate but clearly over the line and inappropriate. I'm see it's going to be spun and excused with a non-apology plea of ignorance, but it's quite a stretch to pretend it's not what it clearly was.

Well, then go fuck yourself, Mr. Argumentative.
I'm not spinning anything. How in hell would I know what headgear some guy who I only know via references to his name on Net54 wears? Obviously, I don't.
Now I'm going to go cry, because some random internet clown who spends 24 hours a day bitching at everyone doesn't like me. Boo hoo hoo.

I think most of us have seen Probstein. He's pretty well known in this community. If you have never seen him and this was news, this should now make sense and the explanation should not make you throw a little bitch fit? I guess not.

The spinning non-apology was about Fuddjcal's comment after unbanning.

Good job though, you managed not to be a racist prick, so you're above some of this thread.

I don't think he was accusing YOU of spinning the situation.

Correct. JollyElm, as a third party who didn't make the comment, would be nonsensical to accuse of ". As a third party who didn't say it, it makes no sense at all that an apology would be expected from him for anything. Only the person who made the racist comments would be expected to apologize.






Perhaps the next fit will be over something reasonable. So far this week we have 1 because I was against shooting people or drawing guns over non-minor card show thefts and 1 because I wrote against anti-semitic racism. I can't wait to see if the next fit even approaches the realm of the reasonable. We can do it if we try really hard, team!

The transcript shows you started the fight because you misread the post. I like the graph though, would work for a lot of other threads.

Good one. Nice narrative. My post:

Clearly in the very first sentence, I state that I have no horse in this race, which I don't. Can't recall ever interacting with the member taking all of the scorn. Maybe a contrarian will dig up posts that show me conversing with him, but it would be a surprise to me. And that's followed by me saying that I have no interest in getting wrath for bringing it up.

Literally, nothing there to argue about. I stated that I was confused about the anger and basically asked, "What's the problem with mentioning a beanie here?"

See, any rational person (which would exclude you), might say, "JollyElm, much like Steven Tyler with his scarves, it is well-know that a yarmulke is sort of Probstein's trademark, and that's why there's blowback."

I would've said, "Okay, thanks for the info."

But you??? Of course not, it has to be an argument. You quoted me, typed your bullshit implying that I'm some sort of apologist, and now want to pretend I started it????????????? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You very well could be the funniest person alive.

Now you can stop and just move on and I'll do the same. Ball's in your court.

There's a transcript. I explained it, you misread the post and then responded with a bolded go fuck yourself. Obviously you started it. You apparently are still not understanding it. Why would anyone want you to apologize? That sentence was very, very obviously referring to Fuddjcal's spin - is it not obvious that only the person who made the antisemitic comment would be the one to sincerely apologize? Why would anyone refer to YOU having a "a non-apology plea of ignorance"? That makes no sense.

I don't know why you want to keep screeching about a thing you made up, but you do you :rolleyes:. It's pretty funny, please keep going.

You know, it is possible to make the point that someone is behaving badly without going beyond that. Just take a breath and think...

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I know some people live very sheltered lives and never leave the communities from which they grew up but for everyone’s education: unless you are referring to someone’s winter gear that is a very offensive and anti-semitic reference. I would advise anyone who finds his way to Borough Park, Brooklyn to avoid using that term.

You just keep getting more and more adorable. Of course you chose not to end this bull crap, because your entire existence is about arguing and bitching at people.

You, douchebag, quoted me and started spewing your crap. You weren't referring to anyone else, you quoted me. Just like how I quoted you here - TO RESPOND DIRECTLY TO YOU. No misreading involved at all.

Let me tell you something your mommy and daddy should've taught you. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat a dumb-ass lie, it's never going to make it true. You quoted me and came after me in post #43. It's right there for all to see. You're a laughable clown. Put your red nose on and head back to the circus. There's a whole crowd of new people there for you to start arguments with, toots.

This thread took a turn.

I honestly get no enjoyment reading these nasty and hateful back and forth conversations inserted into enjoyable reading posts.

There has been nothing enjoyable about this thread.

Well, the fake card got taken down. To me, that’s a good thing. I’d like to think Net54 helped.

I don't either but always prefer to stay out of the argument if possible. That said, everyone please quit with the F bombs. I know they are all around us on TikTok, FB and the like, but they don't have to be here.

I feel Chuck's apology was sincere. We should move on from that and get back to Probstein not checking his auctions. I met him at the last National as we were just walking by each other. We spoke for about 15 minutes and he seemed like a really nice guy, beanie and all LOL....(I am reformed and never wore a yamaka myself)

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Yes it's right there in post 43. How on God's green earth would it make any sense to call your first post a "a non-apology plea of ignorance"? Another poster even told you you're reading it wrong.

If you'd like to keep insulting me and my parents instead, please go ahead and continue with your screed. May I recommend a bullet point format, it better breaks down the individual insults and it doesn't require you to abuse the bold as much.

For God's sake, just let it go. Please. Drop the ego. Who cares who gets the last word.

Co-incidence ??
 

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The Hurricane Milton forecast plus a certain thread on Net54 has been blamed by authorities for the completely empty shelves in the popcorn aisles of many large grocery stores.

I agree with you on Chuck, I think he's a good guy who just misspoke. But I also strongly appreciate Ryan for his response as well.

You can bullshit all you want, on and on and on. I believe, save for the hilarious pie chart that describes perfectly who you are, each interaction in this thread has been the one person quoting the other person and then being nasty.

Your post #43 started it. It's hilarious that you can't accept that simple fact. You quoted me, so your implied crap about ignorance and spin and somehow being an apologist for someone I know nothing about, was targeted directly at me. You don't quote someone to NOT be referring to their words.

The good news is after a pretty miserable day, the Mets victory just rose my spirits, so even you can't change that as much as your sad self tries to.

The nastiness has been extremely one sided in the transcript, actually. I have gone nowhere near the insults you have written repeatedly over multiple days. Explaining to you how that what you think happened doesn't even make sense as you spew invective and insult at myself and my parentage is not being nasty. No one ever tried to ruin your day. I can see you are unable to deal with an actual transcript outside of your fantasy.



I really could write that the sky generally appears blue to the human eye and I will get nasty emails and posts from 1-5 people lol. It's pretty funny. I understand I have some ideas evidently unpopular about hobby institutions or legislation or the Constitution or that logic kind of matters in the world, and I will immediately just agree to any argument that I am a subhuman piece of filth, but these extremist meltdowns over made up fictional slights or when I express rather obvious opinions against really blatantly obvious antisemitism or against pulling guns on people over minor crimes have drifted into the point of absurdity.

Dude, I've completely tuned you out and no longer read any of your screeds. I just hit 'quote' so you know I'm talking to/about you. There is a simple solution here. Immediately add me to your 'Ignore' list and then have a site buddy or Leon or someone PM me to confirm that you did it. In turn, I will do the exact same thing to you, and POOF!!!! never the twain shall meet again. No more issues and I can return to enjoying Net54. You can't possibly have a problem with that solution.

The sky typically appears blue to the human eye.

Gee I hate to poke this antbed but.. anyone else notice this pop up?

atleast this one has reprint clearly stated on the reverse.

Just reported this one to eBay. It's so blatantly not what it's represented to be, you do have to wonder how some of this gets by them at times. (I know how it gets by them; it just frustrates me...)

I would be surprised if I get any response other than them just leaving it up, but we'll see.

Zero feedback seller. Put their phone number in the item description. Report them for trying to take transactions off eBay.

I can almost hear the seller say “yo, bruh, why ya gotta be like that” as they adjust their backwards baseball cap.

Ha! That's exactly what one guy said when I told him I was returning his fake Ozzie Smith rookie.

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Probstein Magie listing
 

I reported this obvious fake several days ago. eBay finally responded this morning:

“We looked into your report and didn’t find the listing to be in violation of our policy. This determination was made by a customer service agent.”

Probstein Magie listing
 

Keep ‘em coming, well-centered please.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/365179629607

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That card looks like poo-poo....
 

At least it could be a good looking fake. That is just ridiculous.
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With the amount of volume he does, it's bound to happen from time to time. He's had quite a few counterfeits recently, though. I guess a scammer latched on to Probstein and is trying to use his business to pass off their fakes.

I can see a scenario in which Rick bans the scammer and then they try this with other auction houses.

*sigh*

More hobby fraud.

Be careful out there, folks.

That may be, but I can't name too many auction companies that would fall for these. Sometimes there may be such a thing as too big, if he can't hire people who know better. These were not subtle.

Again…

You’d think if you’re going to accept raw Ruth stuff you would have someone on staff who can be trusted to authenticate raw Ruth stuff.



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"You would think" - but I've been saying this for years now. eBay has never cared to be category experts. It's apparently preferable to ship things in the card category off to other "experts", like PSA. But the rest of that crap is why it's still possible to go on eBay - where my established track record of the types of things I'm interested in should be fairly evident by now - and be hustled to buy $10K Fleer Jose Uribe error cards. Something seems redundantly wrong with that business model at this point, but clearly it works for them.

I was specifically talking about Probstein here...I've already completely given up on eBay being able to have staff that can identify counterfeit cards, they needed (and created) the Auth program to offload that responsibility.

But Probstein should have at least one guy that can be counted on to evaluate relatively spendy raw cards that come through.




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