Pete Rose passed away
 

Pete Rose has passed away.

A fierce, determined competitor. I wish his family well.








(NOT a thread for advocating Pete into or out of the HOF)

Wow, shocker… lots of complicated feelings right now, as a fan of the game.

Was just going through a box last night and I stumbled across a sheet with maybe 8 pete rose autographs on it...he DID sign everything and anything. RIP to one of baseballs all time greats!

RIP.. always loved Rose..

Rip.

RIP Pete! One of the All-Time Greats!

….. :(

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball."

- Pete Rose

In my opinion, he epitomized the way the game was meant to be played. Sad to hear of his passing.


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Will he now get into the hall of fame?


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Headline story on ESPN, CBS Sports, Fox Sports

MLB.com = nothing

It’s been almost an hour since the news broke on Twitter

We call it a "lifetime ban" but it's more like an "ineligible list" and there's lots of dead guys on it.

The HOF isn't a pure place and I wouldn't care if he got in, but MLB has a lot of rules and Rule 21 is the one that's posted in every clubhouse.

Rip Pete

Hopefully someday ..

Wow. Yesterday (Sunday) he was scheduled to appear (don't know if he did) at the Music City show in Nashville.

RIP, HoFer.

I wish I could find SI's 1975 Sportsman of the Year piece on Rose describing how even between innings of game 7 he was pounding his glove, shouting encouragement, and willing his team to win with his energy and confidence.

Another Rose story, he goes 6 for 8 in a doubleheader. Afterwards he gets the crew to leave the lights on and is taking practice. Someone sees him and ask him what the hell he is doing. He replies, they got me out twice.

Sad day for baseball!
 

Pete Rose paid a very heavy price for his gambling addition.

Without question...great player...tragic outcome for bad choices.

Rest in Peace Charlie Hustle!

Patrick

Removed (duplicate).

He was there. Thankfully he got a chance to return home rather than being found in a hotel room or similar.

Agreed. He was scheduled to be at the Chantilly show next month. He definitely was not slowing down.

Well, the lifetime ban is now over. So, put'em in the HOF.

Got no restrictions to fall back on.

JMHO

Butch

MLB is showing their true colors with not reporting on this.. even TMZ has it as their top story.

I couldn't believe this would be true. But sure enough, not a mention or a banner for breaking news or anything. Shameful.

I got notifications on my phone from ESPN, WSJ, and NYT. It's the headline story on ESPN right now.

Nobody played the game harder than Rose. Other played as hard but that's an elite group that put it out there all the time.

Maybe they'll open what Pete probably considered his "pearly gates" and finally enshrine the hit master. No reason to keep him out now.

I can remember getting autographs from him in the 70s. He was a good signer. It was always fun to see the Big Red Machine in town, except having to watch your team lose.

RIP Pete

There's a link under Latest News on mlb.com to a story about Rose.

God bless Pete. I met him once with my daughter and he couldn't have been nicer.

One of my favourite ball players. RIP.

I am sad about his passing. He is among a mere handful of the greatest ever to play. I love his cards, my memories of him, and I couldn't care any less that he gambled on baseball. As far as I am concerned, he is and has been in the Hall of Fame.

There are very few players i knew of as a kid....
 

Especially as a kid from NY. Everyone knew Rose. Part of an elite group of athletes that was completely dedicated to being the best he could be at his game! Pete may your soul RIP. Thank you for the wonderful childhood memories.

Pete Rose will be remembered a lot longer than the MLB bureaucrats who banned him from the Hall.

RIP! Put him in the HOF !!

He may get in eventually but between the gambling and the teenage girl thing, I doubt it will be any time soon. It's really secondary to his legacy as a baseball player though, no denying his on field stature.

Music City Show
 

This picture was from yesterday at the show where he was greeting fans and signing away….as always smile on his face.

And now every single one of my eBay searches is packed with newly-today-listed Pete Rose cards. God, I hate people.

Rest in peace, Mr. Hustle. You taught an entire generation how to play ball by leaving it all on the field.

RIP to Pete Rose! A real cool guy...

Rest in Peace Mr Rose.

Lifelong Dodger fan.

Life long Pete Rose fan.

We hated the "Big Red Machine" but individually how could you not love those guys?


Here is his MLB debut...

RIP Charlie Hustle!

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Pete rose the all time hit king the cincinnati reds legend will be missed.

+1 Rest in Peace Charlie Hustle!

RIP Charlie Hustle

R.I.P. Charlie Hustle

I like Pete Rose's competitive spirit and the way he always played to win.This was fully exemplified in the 1970 All Star Game when he scored the game winning run for the National League:

Pete Rose Winning Run - 1970 All Star Game

He was quoted as saying after the game "Nobody told me they changed it to girls’ softball between third and home.” Contrast Pete Rose's play in the game against the way present day players treat it as a friendly exhibition against their union buddies.

:rolleyes:

We were fortunate to meet several of the Big Red Machine at a show in Baltimore years ago. All 3 of these guys were a hoot and chatted with us a bit. Pete was a childhood hero of mine due to that aggressive play.
My son and daughter got one of our "cave wall" pics signed at the show. I bet these guys had a blast playing together thru the '70's. Unfortunately, only Johnny is left.

Final slide. Attachment 636378

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Loved watching Pete play and loved watching videos of him talking baseball.

The guy had it in his blood, 100%.

RIP Pete

Awesome early Rose pieces, Doug and Derek!!!

Really enjoyed seeing the first-ever Rose Scorecard and those early images of Pete. I love his earlier/rarer "puffy" signature.

Oh yeah, and Manfred is a piece of sh!t :mad:

Signed,
Mark Steinberg

Karma
 

Whenever I think of Pete Rose, I think of the word "Karma" . . . and Bart Giamatti. Shortly after giving Pete his lifetime banishment, old Bart dropped dead of a heart attack. He may have blocked PR from the HOF, but Pete got the last laugh, outliving Bart by some 35 years. :D

Every Thread ...
 

Every thread needs a well-loved card. RIP Pete ...

Rip Pete rose your good works will never be forgotten legend.

Some people are pining for a HOF nod now that Pete has passed, but having the Wander Franco trial starting is bad timing on top of bad timing.

I don't think anyone is ready to have a Pete HOF discussion under the shadow of that going on.

Maybe further down the line...maybe not.

Good quick read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ll-great-dead/

Extra quick with the paywall... hahaha

Sorry, I didn't think about the paywall issue.

Washington Post Article by Rick Reilly below:

Pete Rose died Monday, which surprised me. I never thought he’d slow down long enough to do it.

I knew him well. He fascinated me. I’d never met a guy who looked at life like a door he had to knock down, even if there was a perfectly good doorknob waiting.

Pete lived his entire 83 years, not just his spectacular baseball career, like he was double-parked. He’d sprint to first base the instant the ump called ball four. Vin Scully once told his listeners, “Pete Rose just beat out a walk.” I once saw him sprint off after striking out.

He’s the only player I ever knew who’d calculate his batting average before rounding first. Gave him something to do. I always felt that’s also why he got into gambling. Playing baseball like it was a midnight prison break wasn’t thrilling enough for Pete. He needed more action, more adrenaline, more chances to beat somebody.

One night, in 1985, I went to stay at his house after he’d won a home game as the Cincinnati Reds’ player-manager. It was the same year he got his 4,192nd hit, breaking Ty Cobb’s record and making him the all-time major league hit leader. It had been an exhausting night with a hundred managerial moves. After he dealt with reporters and grabbed a two-minute shower, we were rolling home in his car, Pete fiddling with the radio so he could yell at the sports-talk hosts.

“Idiots!” he said, turning it up.

We got home around midnight, but his wife, Carol, a former Philadelphia Eagles’ cheerleader, was still up and asked if we wanted pancakes. I wanted pancakes, but Pete didn’t even notice her. He was already working the TV, trying to find out who’d won the night’s hockey games. Then he moaned, “Goddamn Canucks!”

Pete was a guy who did everything very fast and all at once. Thinking never entered into it. There wasn’t time. He was a dive-into-home-plate-first-and see-if-a-catcher’s-standing-there-later kind of guy. Potential consequences never came up. All that mattered to Pete was the game. He lived for it. Teams, wives, decades, kids and grandkids would come and go; it was always baseball.

Michael Jordan took up golf. Jimmy Carter took up construction. But Pete Rose lived only baseball to his dying day. In fact, on Sunday, the day before he died, he was at a baseball card-signing event in Nashville with some old teammates. Who got the last autograph?

One time, on my way to the Las Vegas airport, I dropped by his sad little autograph booth in a Caesars Palace memorabilia shop, where for years he sat several hours a day, a couple of weeks per month, hawking his tacky baseball wares. I had my luggage.

“Where you off to?” he asked.

“Italy,” I said.

“Why the hell you goin’ to Italy?”

“Who doesn’t like Italy?”

“Never been,” he said. “I don’t go nowhere that don’t have baseball. Why would I? I can’t sell no autographs there. Can’t talk baseball with nobody there. What am I gonna do in Italy?”

“Relax?”

“Nah!”

That’s why banning Pete from baseball in 1989 — and from Cooperstown — was about three floors past unfair. It was all he had.

Baseball way overthought him. They figured that of course Pete knew players couldn’t gamble, so he must have had some game-fixing conspiracy going on. But Pete never cared about the money. Pete just cared about the juice.

“How do you feel about it?” I asked him once.

“About what?”

I stared at him.

“Getting banned from baseball?” I said. “For gambling?”

“Well, sh--,” he said. “I never bet against my team. I always bet on us to win. See? I can’t understand what’s so horrible about that.”

“But Pete,” I tried to explain. “The day you don’t bet is the day the bookies bet against you.”

“Nah!”

The whole Pete Rose Hall of Fame kerfuffle is a hurricane in a hat anyway. Pete is already in Cooperstown. They can’t avoid mentioning his achievements, even if he doesn’t have a plaque. You don’t need a plaque to know this 17-time all-star was one of the baseball greats. And, my God, he admitted to everything and apologized to everybody years ago. What more did the game want from him?

The sad thing now is that Pete’s obituaries will have “banned from baseball” in the first sentence. He played 24 pedal-to-the-metal, jaw-dropping, fabulously entertaining years un-banned. That’s the first sentence.

He loved baseball, from his constantly tapping feet to the helmet that was always flying off his head.

It’s just too bad baseball didn’t love him back.

Ty Cobb's career hit record of 4191 had stood for 57 years when Pete Rose broke it in 1985. The irony here is twofold. Pete Rose was the "modern" day player whose competitive drive was most like Ty Cobb's. And if alive Ty Cobb would have been the last person to congratulate Pete Rose for breaking his record. Ty Cobb would have just sneered.

:D

Awesome piece... thank you for posting it!

Does anyone know if Pete Rose collected Baseball cards?

:confused:

Many of us on this forum obviously met him. I’ve never heard about him being anything other than gracious.

I for one would like to see him enshrined. After all, what is the Hall of Fame? A museum.

I don’t know how you could possibly know that. If you deduce that from Al Stump’s biography, it’s apparently less than truthful.

Much exaggerated you say? You mean that I have to give up another one of my anti-heroes? Who's left then?

:confused:

A word to the wise. Allendalemark9 was banned mere hours after saying something nice about a Cincinnati Red. :eek: The rest of us can take that as a warning I guess.

:(

I really enjoyed watching Pete Rose play as a kid. Even gave myself a bunch of strawberries from emulating his headfirst slide. But I was really shocked and sad to learn that he bet on baseball. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I support the ban and, separately, don't think he should be enshrined in the Hall of Fame.

Pete Rose was a fantastic baseball man, definitely a flawed human being in his personal life.
I don't see how Manfred and MLB can currently justify keeping Pete and Joe Jackson out of the hall when they have wholeheartedly dropped to their knees and embraced gambling with vigor in today's game.

+1

I agree it is inconsistent for sure. But two wrongs don't make a right. I'd love to see the gambling sponsorships gone from the game. There is nothing socially positive or redeeming about having the gambling industry as a sanctioned partner of MLB or, frankly, any sport.

But Joe Jackson was involved in actually throwing World Series games. Pete Rose on the other hand always played full out to win.

Joe Jackson was acquitted by a Chicago court, Landis was hired to clean up baseball and get rid of the gambling element, his decision was the right one at the time but banning Joe was throwing out the baby with the bath water, just look at his stats during the series.
Understandable decision at the time but revisionist history is all the rage right now so letting Joe and Pete in, all things considered, would be a net positive imo.

What I find most troubling, in fact maddening, is the hypocrisy. Yes, MLB was correct. Any association, any link, between pro sports and gambling threatens the integrity of the game. Case closed.

But many/most governments across North America have legalized whatever forms of gambling from which they can derive a piece of the action (but of course only those). And now given the sanction of politicians and the bureaucrats living off the taxpayers' dime, pro sports have followed suit. If Big Brother says gambling is fine, then it's now fine with pro sports leagues (provided that they can get a piece of the action of course).

But what about "the integrity of the game"? I guess that's no longer a concern so long as Big Brother and pro sports can derive their piece of the action from an activity they previously castigated. Like I say, it's the hypocrisy that's galling.

:mad:

Pete Rose was the man when many of us were growing up in the 70s and buying packs of Topps cards for a quarter. Pulling a Rose card out of a wax pack was like finding gold!

Not to mention that there's already one here in the B/S/T forum.

:(

Maybe MLB isn't as against gambling as they used to be.

I remember in 1976 when Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays were banned from Major League Baseball (MLB) by then-commissioner Bowie Kuhn for their association with casinos. Their duties included playing in golf tournaments with casino customers and appearing at public functions for the hotel. In 1985, commissioner Peter Ueberroth reinstated Mantle and Mays. Ueberroth said he made an exception for them because they were "two of the most beloved and admired athletes in the country today".

Press release March2, 2023: "As fans eagerly await the return of baseball, Major League Baseball (MLB) and FanDuel Group, the premier online gaming company in North America, today announced a multi-year partnership making its industry-leading sportsbook a co-exclusive Official Sports Betting Partner of MLB."

MLB is still banning players for betting on baseball, even this season, multiple players, one permanently.

MLB has lots of rules, but Rule 21 is specifically in every single MLB clubhouse.

It's kinda crazy we live in a world where there's more professional sports leagues than ever to bet on and baseball players still choose to break the barrier of the one thing that's specifically printed out and displayed in every home and away clubhouse in the game.

They can go Michael Jordan style in all the casinos they want. They can bet their entire paycheck on football or basketball or curling or synchronized swimming in any legally approved market/venue if they want.

There's one thing off-limits and it's been clearly stated for many decades. They walk by this reminder a few hundred times a year.

Now I'm not arguing that Pete Rose should be admitted to the Baseball Hall of Fame. In truth I don't give a damn. But hypocrites they are at MLB.

Disturbing report here, about Pete being turned away at a hospital five days before he died:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...776f6151&ei=14


Steve

I think Pete would have been reinstated if he showed he was sorry, but signing baseballs as "I'm sorry I bet on baseball" wasn't very believable.

That's terrible, and unfortunately not too uncommon.

Sad news. I met Pete in Vegas in 2014 when he was signing autographs in a shopping center. As soon as I walked away, I had about a 100 questions that I wanted to ask him but missed the chance [Doh!]

That’s my favorite Pete quote. He signed this for me last year.