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1970 7th Series B/Left side slit
Before I start down this path, has anyone ever tried to make a frankenstein version of the 1970 high series slit which would have been on the left side of the full sheet?
I know there aren't any SPs or anything - but I am still curious to try to see what it might have looked like in the absence of an actual image. |
Looks like we might have a new project :D.
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Aren’t we missing the right slit not left?
Started looking for miscuts yesterday, found a few. Will post results later, John |
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My bad - it is the right slit we need...here's the left/A slit we have...
I started combing e-Bay today for miscuts and found a decent number. I'd swear there were SPs given some of the search returns I had. |
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Miscuts I pieced together. Sorry lazy and didn't save images:
636 J. Stewart is on top of 663 Tito F. and Tito is on top of CL card 588 673 Ted U is on top of 696 Giants team card. The card under the Giants team card is either the Padres or Indians team card. Only 38 more to go hahaha |
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Giants over Indians, Reichardt over AL Rookies
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I've also ID'd all the cards in the bottom of the 4 rows because of the white separation line that runs under them.
Here's Tepedino as a left edge... |
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For the record, here are the 44:
Stewart Indians Bertaina McBean Pagan Hall McDowell Rollins Roseboro Hardin Padres Tatum Ward Robertson Lucchesi Francona Phillips Meyer McFadden Uhlaender Leonhard Cardenal Duncan Sadecki Garibaldi Jones Fisher Haller Hernandez Tepedino Fairly Grzenda Knoop Giants Aguirre Robinson Billingham AL Rookies Baker Collins Santiago Lolich Cards Rookies Phoebus Roland Reichardt Checklist The 11 that form the bottom/4th row of the block of 4 rows are: Al Rookies Francona Ward Leonhard Duncan Sadecki Knoop Aguirre Collins Santiago Phoebus I have 4 in the topmost row (white line on top) Meyer Baker Fisher Bertaina I have 1 horizontal - Giants is to the left of the Padres team I think this shows Billingham as a right edge - thoughts? |
7th series CL has to be a top row card if Tito F is on top of it
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Yep - and from looking at the other B slits we have, whenever a checklists sits at the top, it's a left edge card, making the checklist and Francona left edges.
Here's Lucchesi over Duncan...took me a while, thought it was Bertaina, but it's Lucchesi. |
....and, because the Giants are over the Indians and the Indians isn't a bottom card, then because Uhlaender is over the Giants, that makes Uhlaedner a top card - that makes 6 known top cards.
Also, because Stewart is over Francona, that makes Stewart a left edge - we have 3 of 4 left edges - checklist, Francona and Stewart. |
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Tepedina is the 4th LE card and is above Stewart
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Yes - and I just found both Roland and McFadden with white lines on top, bringing the total top row cards to 8.
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I've seen a number of Ron Fairly cards like this one, with a faint, broken white line running along the top - good enough to call him a top row card?
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My bad :o.
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1970 Topps series 7
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Hereis a miscut of 659 Pete Ward with the white line and parts of the card below it
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And on a related note - the Robertson is Jerry Robertson, not the other high number Bob Robertson. |
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Found a better Fairly - definitely a top row. Also found ADOLFO Phillips with a line...one top card left.
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1970 Topps series 7
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Here is a miscut of 661, Jerry Robertson, showing the card beneath.
And, here is the Duncan with WL and the card below it. Attachment 628344 Attachment 628345 |
1970 Topps series 7
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That's the Cardinals Rookie Stars under Sadecki - we now have all the top cards:
Checklist Phillips Meyer Fisher Baker Bertaina McFadden Uhlaender Roland Fairly Cardinals Rookies |
Ron Fairly is under Dave Duncan.
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1970 Topps series 7
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The card under Aguirre can be Bertaina, Roland, or Uhlaender, all three have 13 years on their stats on the back and have light blue sky on the front.
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Uhlaender is under Aguirre, I compared all three to the miscut and the 1's line up perfectly with Uhlaender.
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Never mind, my mistake.
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Reichardt and the Giants Team card are on the Tepedino row, Lucchesi, AL Rookies, and the Indians Team card are on the Stewart row.
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Bob Garibaldi has a wrong back of Nolan Ryan, since Ryan is in the sixth slot of the second row on the A slit that means Garibaldi is in the sixth slot of the Stewart row on the B slit because the whole back of the 264 card super sheet was upside down from the front of the 264 card super sheet.
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Never mind, wrong card .
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Never mind, issue resolved :).
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Here are the correct 44 on the B slit:
Stewart Indians Bertaina McBean Pagan Hall McDowell Rollins Hardin Padres Tatum Ward Robertson Lucchesi Francona Phillips Meyer McFadden Uhlaender Leonhard Cardenal Duncan Sadecki Garibaldi Jones Fisher Haller Tepedino Fairly Knoop Giants Aguirre Robinson Billingham AL Rookies Baker Collins Santiago Lolich Cards Rookies Phoebus Roland Reichardt Checklist |
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With the find of Uhlaender under Aguirre, we have a complete column of, top to bottom - Uhlaedner, Giants, Indians, Aguirre.
The AL Rookies is a bottom card, making Reichardt part of the the Stewart row, not Tepedino. |
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Phillips over Tatum - could have been either Garibaldi or Robertson, but Tatum lines up perfectly.
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I pulled all the 44 from my album, and sorted the player cards by width of yellow area on the reverse. Looking at the Lolich above, it has to be Ward beneath him - only other candidates would be Fairly, which would need Lolich to be a bottom card, and Aguirre, which we know is below the Indians.
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Bertaina has to be over Billingham, which places Bertaina as our second known right edge.
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In the Roland above, he has to be over either McDowell or McBean - I think McDowell matches a bit better, and when you look at McBean, the Y in "YEAR" seems too close to the edge to not be seen in the miscut.
Not sure enough to call it for McDowell though, yet. |
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Duncan is over Fisher is the only top row card that matches.
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My bad - you are correct. This gives us Fairly, ?, Lucchesi and Duncan needing one more for a column.
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Jose Pagan is over Jimmie Hall
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I figured the Ward would be an easy match but it can still be Meyer, Bertaina, McFadden, or Roland and I can't figure out which one it is. I guess it will have to be through elimination. ETA, Roland has been eliminated so that leaves Meyer, Bertaina, and McFadden.
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We are going to have most if not all of the four card columns before long but no way of knowing the order of most of the columns.
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I think it's Bertaina:
1) the top of the yellow field on McFadden is too low 2) The blue type on Meyer is so close to the edge that it should be partly visible 3) I think Roland doesn't line up as well as Bertaina Take another look and let me know what you think |
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I'm thinking this has to be McBean under Jack Fisher.
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FYI - As it stands there are 8 cards for which we know absolutely nothing:
Jerry Robertson Jim Hardin Rich Rollins (this guy is also part of the 1966 6th series - can't get away from him!) Frank Robinson Dalton Jones Al McBean Jose Cardenal Tom Haller |
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Pretty sure that is Reichardt under Robertson, I will need to double check and make sure it's not Dalton Jones or Collins. ETA after comparing Collins and Dalton Jones I'm convinced it is Reichardt under Robertson.
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And I am convinced it is Rich Rollins under Frank Robinson...
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I agree it's Reichardt under Robertson as well - I couldn't decide between Collins or Reichardt, but the stat line type setting in Reichardt fits the patter.
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So, before I step away for the day to finish my 1970 page, here is what I now show regarding our path to 11 columns of 4 cards - putting aside the fact that the Padres team is to the right of the Giants.
Checklist Tepedino Stewart Francona ? Robertson Reichardt AL Rookies Phillips Tatum ? ? Fisher McBean ? ? ? ? Lolich Ward ? Pagan Hall ? ? ? ? Leonhard Meyer ? ? ? Baker ? ? ? ? Robinson Rollins ? ? ? ? Knoop Cards Rookies ? ? Sadecki ? ? Garibaldi ? Uhlaender Giants Indians Aguirre McFadden ? ? ? ? ? ? Collins ? Padres ? ? Roland McDowell ? ? ? ? ? Santiago Fairly ? Lucchesi Duncan ? ? ? Phoebus Bertaina Billingham ? ? We know all the cards in the top row, and all in the bottom. We know 9 of 11 in the second row and 8 of 11 in the third There seem to be only 4 for which we don't know any adjacent cards - Jones, Hardin, Haller and Cardenal. |
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How many cards in row 1 have the checklist on the left side? Here's a mc of the Padres team card.
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Well, only 1 would - it would be one of the other 10 row 1 cards, except for Bertaina which is on the right edge.
If this Padres card had a bit more of the card above it, we would have our first block of columns as the Padres is the to the right of the Giants, which is in the completed Uhlaender/Giants/Indians/Aguirre column. |
Silly me, they all do if they are a regular card. I guess I have to look for a 3rd row card that shows a copyright on the right. lol
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That Dalton Jones horizontal miscut has Jim Stewart to his left, the broken circle in the copyright and the slivers of the stats match up perfectly. That means Dalton Jones is the third card of the second column.
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The card under Dalton Jones in C4 of the second column is either Knoop or Santiago, they both have 17 line stats.
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It is Knoop under Dalton Jones in C4 of the second column, all Knoop cards have an extended ink flaw in the corner of the blue box that matches Kevin's miscut in post #64.
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Why is Bertaina eliminated as being below Ward? Ward is a row 4 card, Bertainia is a row 1 card. I've seen some miscuts of Lolich that, although not definitive, suggest it might be a RE card.
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Bertaina Billingham Lolich Ward is the RE 11th column. |
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Here's a side mc of Rollins. Hopefully, not many cards in the 3rd row have the blue extend all the way to the right.
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This looks the lower part of the J from Jose Pagan is to the right of F Robby, which puts Hall to the right of Rollins
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Yep that's Pagan - the blue bar on the reverse of the Robinson ciches it.
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