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deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 12:32 PM

1970 7th Series B/Left side slit
 
Before I start down this path, has anyone ever tried to make a frankenstein version of the 1970 high series slit which would have been on the left side of the full sheet?

I know there aren't any SPs or anything - but I am still curious to try to see what it might have looked like in the absence of an actual image.

Cliff Bowman 07-13-2024 12:49 PM

Looks like we might have a new project :D.

jmoran19 07-13-2024 03:32 PM

Aren’t we missing the right slit not left?

Started looking for miscuts yesterday, found a few. Will post results later, John

deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 03:54 PM

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My bad - it is the right slit we need...here's the left/A slit we have...

I started combing e-Bay today for miscuts and found a decent number. I'd swear there were SPs given some of the search returns I had.

jmoran19 07-13-2024 04:51 PM

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Miscuts I pieced together. Sorry lazy and didn't save images:

636 J. Stewart is on top of 663 Tito F. and Tito is on top of CL card 588

673 Ted U is on top of 696 Giants team card. The card under the Giants team card is either the Padres or Indians team card.

Only 38 more to go hahaha

Kevvyg1026 07-13-2024 04:59 PM

1970 high series miscuts
 
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couple to get started

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Kevvyg1026 07-13-2024 06:08 PM

1970 series 7
 
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bottom of check 7

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deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 06:09 PM

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Giants over Indians, Reichardt over AL Rookies

deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 06:11 PM

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I've also ID'd all the cards in the bottom of the 4 rows because of the white separation line that runs under them.

Here's Tepedino as a left edge...

deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 06:19 PM

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For the record, here are the 44:

Stewart
Indians
Bertaina
McBean
Pagan
Hall
McDowell
Rollins
Roseboro
Hardin
Padres
Tatum
Ward
Robertson
Lucchesi
Francona
Phillips
Meyer
McFadden
Uhlaender
Leonhard
Cardenal
Duncan
Sadecki
Garibaldi
Jones
Fisher
Haller
Hernandez
Tepedino
Fairly
Grzenda
Knoop
Giants
Aguirre
Robinson
Billingham
AL Rookies
Baker
Collins
Santiago
Lolich
Cards Rookies
Phoebus
Roland
Reichardt
Checklist

The 11 that form the bottom/4th row of the block of 4 rows are:
Al Rookies
Francona
Ward
Leonhard
Duncan
Sadecki
Knoop
Aguirre
Collins Santiago Phoebus

I have 4 in the topmost row (white line on top)
Meyer
Baker
Fisher
Bertaina

I have 1 horizontal - Giants is to the left of the Padres team

I think this shows Billingham as a right edge - thoughts?

jmoran19 07-13-2024 06:24 PM

7th series CL has to be a top row card if Tito F is on top of it

deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 06:43 PM

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Yep - and from looking at the other B slits we have, whenever a checklists sits at the top, it's a left edge card, making the checklist and Francona left edges.

Here's Lucchesi over Duncan...took me a while, thought it was Bertaina, but it's Lucchesi.

deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 06:49 PM

....and, because the Giants are over the Indians and the Indians isn't a bottom card, then because Uhlaender is over the Giants, that makes Uhlaedner a top card - that makes 6 known top cards.

Also, because Stewart is over Francona, that makes Stewart a left edge - we have 3 of 4 left edges - checklist, Francona and Stewart.

Kevvyg1026 07-13-2024 06:58 PM

1970 series 7
 
Tepedina is the 4th LE card and is above Stewart

deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 07:10 PM

Yes - and I just found both Roland and McFadden with white lines on top, bringing the total top row cards to 8.

deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 07:17 PM

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I've seen a number of Ron Fairly cards like this one, with a faint, broken white line running along the top - good enough to call him a top row card?

Cliff Bowman 07-13-2024 07:30 PM

My bad :o.

Kevvyg1026 07-13-2024 07:31 PM

1970 Topps series 7
 
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Hereis a miscut of 659 Pete Ward with the white line and parts of the card below it

Attachment 628343

deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2447685)
I don't see this one mentioned as a top line, Lefty Phillips.

Lefty Phillips isn't in the 7th series - it's Adolfo Phillips.

And on a related note - the Robertson is Jerry Robertson, not the other high number Bob Robertson.

Cliff Bowman 07-13-2024 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2447690)
Lefty Phillips isn't in the 7th series - it's Adolfo Phillips.

And on a related note - the Robertson is Jerry Robertson, not the other high number Bob Robertson.

Whoops! I should have checked the number :o.

deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 07:59 PM

Found a better Fairly - definitely a top row. Also found ADOLFO Phillips with a line...one top card left.

Kevvyg1026 07-13-2024 08:03 PM

1970 Topps series 7
 
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Here is a miscut of 661, Jerry Robertson, showing the card beneath.

And, here is the Duncan with WL and the card below it.

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Kevvyg1026 07-13-2024 08:08 PM

1970 Topps series 7
 
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Sadecki above a RC

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deweyinthehall 07-13-2024 08:24 PM

That's the Cardinals Rookie Stars under Sadecki - we now have all the top cards:

Checklist
Phillips
Meyer
Fisher
Baker
Bertaina
McFadden
Uhlaender
Roland
Fairly
Cardinals Rookies

Cliff Bowman 07-13-2024 08:31 PM

Ron Fairly is under Dave Duncan.

Kevvyg1026 07-13-2024 08:34 PM

1970 Topps series 7
 
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Aguirre with WL and card below it

Attachment 628347

Cliff Bowman 07-13-2024 08:48 PM

The card under Aguirre can be Bertaina, Roland, or Uhlaender, all three have 13 years on their stats on the back and have light blue sky on the front.

Cliff Bowman 07-13-2024 09:13 PM

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Uhlaender is under Aguirre, I compared all three to the miscut and the 1's line up perfectly with Uhlaender.

Cliff Bowman 07-13-2024 09:45 PM

Never mind, my mistake.

Cliff Bowman 07-13-2024 09:59 PM

Reichardt and the Giants Team card are on the Tepedino row, Lucchesi, AL Rookies, and the Indians Team card are on the Stewart row.

Cliff Bowman 07-13-2024 11:20 PM

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Bob Garibaldi has a wrong back of Nolan Ryan, since Ryan is in the sixth slot of the second row on the A slit that means Garibaldi is in the sixth slot of the Stewart row on the B slit because the whole back of the 264 card super sheet was upside down from the front of the 264 card super sheet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/17635933012...Bk9SR4rPu_mVZA

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 12:28 AM

Never mind, wrong card .

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 04:20 AM

1970 Topps series 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2447712)
Jerry Robertson is under Joe Grzenda, believe it or not Jerry Robertson is the only one of the 44 cards with a six year stat line.

I think Grzenda is above Gary Ross on the other slit

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 04:31 AM

1970 series 7
 
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MC of 715, Lolich

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Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 04:53 AM

1970 Topps series 7
 
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MC of Roland, looks like a 15 yr stat line

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Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447714)
I think Grzenda is above Gary Ross on the other slit

I’m innocent on this one, dewey has Grzenda on the list of 44 for the B slit so I just assumed he was one of them :).

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447714)
I think Grzenda is above Gary Ross on the other slit

Ack! You're right! I had been tracking 3 cards as part of the right side slit which are actually part of the left side - Grzenda, Hernandez and Roseboro. Thankfully I was tracking a total of 47 cards on the right slit, not 44, eliminating the need to find three to offset these three.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 07:08 AM

Never mind, issue resolved :).

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 07:18 AM

Here are the correct 44 on the B slit:

Stewart
Indians
Bertaina
McBean
Pagan
Hall
McDowell
Rollins
Hardin
Padres
Tatum
Ward
Robertson
Lucchesi
Francona
Phillips
Meyer
McFadden
Uhlaender
Leonhard
Cardenal
Duncan
Sadecki
Garibaldi
Jones
Fisher
Haller
Tepedino
Fairly
Knoop
Giants
Aguirre
Robinson
Billingham
AL Rookies
Baker
Collins
Santiago
Lolich
Cards Rookies
Phoebus
Roland
Reichardt
Checklist

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 07:21 AM

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With the find of Uhlaender under Aguirre, we have a complete column of, top to bottom - Uhlaedner, Giants, Indians, Aguirre.

The AL Rookies is a bottom card, making Reichardt part of the the Stewart row, not Tepedino.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 07:29 AM

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Phillips over Tatum - could have been either Garibaldi or Robertson, but Tatum lines up perfectly.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447717)
MC of Roland, looks like a 15 yr stat line

Attachment 628357

Just to be clear, when you say 15 year stat line are you including the Major League Total line as part of the 15 years?

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 08:14 AM

I pulled all the 44 from my album, and sorted the player cards by width of yellow area on the reverse. Looking at the Lolich above, it has to be Ward beneath him - only other candidates would be Fairly, which would need Lolich to be a bottom card, and Aguirre, which we know is below the Indians.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 08:21 AM

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Bertaina has to be over Billingham, which places Bertaina as our second known right edge.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 08:36 AM

In the Roland above, he has to be over either McDowell or McBean - I think McDowell matches a bit better, and when you look at McBean, the Y in "YEAR" seems too close to the edge to not be seen in the miscut.

Not sure enough to call it for McDowell though, yet.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 08:44 AM

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Duncan is over Fisher is the only top row card that matches.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 08:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2447752)
Duncan is over Fisher is the only top row card that matches.

I have Duncan over Fairly, the front of the miscut Duncan has the card under it with a dark top edge, Fairly has a dark photo top and Fisher has a light blue sky photo top.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 09:06 AM

My bad - you are correct. This gives us Fairly, ?, Lucchesi and Duncan needing one more for a column.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 09:18 AM

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Jose Pagan is over Jimmie Hall

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 09:18 AM

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I figured the Ward would be an easy match but it can still be Meyer, Bertaina, McFadden, or Roland and I can't figure out which one it is. I guess it will have to be through elimination. ETA, Roland has been eliminated so that leaves Meyer, Bertaina, and McFadden.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 09:26 AM

We are going to have most if not all of the four card columns before long but no way of knowing the order of most of the columns.

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 09:29 AM

1970 topps series 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 2447743)
Just to be clear, when you say 15 year stat line are you including the Major League Total line as part of the 15 years?

No, I don't think so on the stat line. That box is wider

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 09:33 AM

I think it's Bertaina:

1) the top of the yellow field on McFadden is too low
2) The blue type on Meyer is so close to the edge that it should be partly visible
3) I think Roland doesn't line up as well as Bertaina

Take another look and let me know what you think

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 09:46 AM

1970 Topps series 7
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2447764)
Jose Pagan is over Jimmie Hall

Since neither Pagan nor Hall has a white line, that make Pagan a row 2 card (Tepedino leader) and Hall a row 3 card (Stewart leader)

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447717)
MC of Roland, looks like a 15 yr stat line

Attachment 628357

I am assuming you are including the Major League Totals as a line, there are four cards that have 15 lines that way, McBean, McDowell, Meyer, and Sadecki. Meyer is eliminated because he is a top row card. Sadecki is also eliminated because Roland is a top row card and Sadecki is a bottom row card in the Cardinals Rookies column.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2447750)
In the Roland above, he has to be over either McDowell or McBean - I think McDowell matches a bit better, and when you look at McBean, the Y in "YEAR" seems too close to the edge to not be seen in the miscut.

Not sure enough to call it for McDowell though, yet.

Just now saw this post again, I agree with you that it is McDowell under Roland.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 12:43 PM

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I'm thinking this has to be McBean under Jack Fisher.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 12:48 PM

FYI - As it stands there are 8 cards for which we know absolutely nothing:

Jerry Robertson
Jim Hardin
Rich Rollins (this guy is also part of the 1966 6th series - can't get away from him!)
Frank Robinson
Dalton Jones
Al McBean
Jose Cardenal
Tom Haller

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 01:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall (Post 2447822)
FYI - As it stands there are 8 cards for which we know absolutely nothing:

Jerry Robertson
Jim Hardin
Rich Rollins (this guy is also part of the 1966 6th series - can't get away from him!)
Frank Robinson
Dalton Jones
Al McBean
Jose Cardenal
Tom Haller

.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 01:05 PM

Pretty sure that is Reichardt under Robertson, I will need to double check and make sure it's not Dalton Jones or Collins. ETA after comparing Collins and Dalton Jones I'm convinced it is Reichardt under Robertson.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 01:20 PM

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And I am convinced it is Rich Rollins under Frank Robinson...

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 01:38 PM

I agree it's Reichardt under Robertson as well - I couldn't decide between Collins or Reichardt, but the stat line type setting in Reichardt fits the patter.

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 02:08 PM

So, before I step away for the day to finish my 1970 page, here is what I now show regarding our path to 11 columns of 4 cards - putting aside the fact that the Padres team is to the right of the Giants.

Checklist
Tepedino
Stewart
Francona

?
Robertson
Reichardt
AL Rookies

Phillips
Tatum
?
?

Fisher
McBean
?
?

?
?
Lolich
Ward

?
Pagan
Hall
?

?
?
?
Leonhard

Meyer
?
?
?

Baker
?
?
?

?
Robinson
Rollins
?

?
?
?
Knoop

Cards Rookies
?
?
Sadecki

?
?
Garibaldi
?

Uhlaender
Giants
Indians
Aguirre

McFadden
?
?
?

?
?
?
Collins

?
Padres
?
?

Roland
McDowell
?
?

?
?
?
Santiago

Fairly
?
Lucchesi
Duncan

?
?
?
Phoebus

Bertaina
Billingham
?
?

We know all the cards in the top row, and all in the bottom.
We know 9 of 11 in the second row and 8 of 11 in the third

There seem to be only 4 for which we don't know any adjacent cards -
Jones, Hardin, Haller and Cardenal.

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 05:48 PM

1970 series 7
 
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Dalton Jones MC

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Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 05:51 PM

1970 Topps series 7
 
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Another Dalton MC, this to the left

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Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 06:05 PM

1970 Topps series 7
 
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How many cards in row 1 have the checklist on the left side? Here's a mc of the Padres team card.

Attachment 628448

deweyinthehall 07-14-2024 06:13 PM

Well, only 1 would - it would be one of the other 10 row 1 cards, except for Bertaina which is on the right edge.

If this Padres card had a bit more of the card above it, we would have our first block of columns as the Padres is the to the right of the Giants, which is in the completed Uhlaender/Giants/Indians/Aguirre column.

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 06:27 PM

Silly me, they all do if they are a regular card. I guess I have to look for a 3rd row card that shows a copyright on the right. lol

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 08:25 PM

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That Dalton Jones horizontal miscut has Jim Stewart to his left, the broken circle in the copyright and the slivers of the stats match up perfectly. That means Dalton Jones is the third card of the second column.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 08:34 PM

The card under Dalton Jones in C4 of the second column is either Knoop or Santiago, they both have 17 line stats.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 08:46 PM

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It is Knoop under Dalton Jones in C4 of the second column, all Knoop cards have an extended ink flaw in the corner of the blue box that matches Kevin's miscut in post #64.

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 08:55 PM

Why is Bertaina eliminated as being below Ward? Ward is a row 4 card, Bertainia is a row 1 card. I've seen some miscuts of Lolich that, although not definitive, suggest it might be a RE card.

Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447930)
Why is Bertaina eliminated as being below Ward? Ward is a row 4 card, Bertainia is a row 1 card. I've seen some miscuts of Lolich that, although definitive, suggest it might be a RE card.

I don't remember, I probably confused it with another card. I'll go back and edit that post.

Kevvyg1026 07-14-2024 09:38 PM

Lolich MC
 
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funny miscut

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Cliff Bowman 07-14-2024 10:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447930)
Why is Bertaina eliminated as being below Ward? Ward is a row 4 card, Bertainia is a row 1 card. I've seen some miscuts of Lolich that, although definitive, suggest it might be a RE card.

I believe you are right, I tried the Ward miscut to Bertaina again and it's a perfect fit. Good thing you caught that. So that means the Bertaina column of

Bertaina
Billingham
Lolich
Ward

is the RE 11th column.

Kevvyg1026 07-15-2024 03:30 AM

1970 series 7
 
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Although we already have placed Francona, this WB is pretty cool.

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Kevvyg1026 07-15-2024 03:57 AM

1970 series 7
 
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Here's a side mc of Rollins. Hopefully, not many cards in the 3rd row have the blue extend all the way to the right.

Attachment 628477

Cliff Bowman 07-15-2024 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026 (Post 2447952)
Here's a side mc of Rollins. Hopefully, not many cards in the 3rd row have the blue extend all the way to the right.

Attachment 628477

The currently eligible cards it could be are Lolich, Lucchesi, and Hall, although I might have missed one.

Kevvyg1026 07-15-2024 01:09 PM

1970 series 7
 
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This looks the lower part of the J from Jose Pagan is to the right of F Robby, which puts Hall to the right of Rollins

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deweyinthehall 07-15-2024 04:21 PM

Yep that's Pagan - the blue bar on the reverse of the Robinson ciches it.


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