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I'm so sorry this happened. Hopefully the photos will help find some of the missing cards.
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Many folks here know Ashish aka Ash.
He posted multiple videos of the perpetrators on his instagram https://www.instagram.com/p/C9I__QYs...k3NDlmdXE1OA== |
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In two words - "Oh shit"
At some point the cards are going to pop up, hopefully they get the asshole(s) before they get a chance to break it up. |
How does someone just walk off with 100 plus cards, even assuming whoever owns the table somehow left it unattended?
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Massive theft at Dallas card show, Appears well over a Million$ worth of cards stolen
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This looks over 2 million in value…I hope and pray 🙏 the cards are recovered asap. I feel so horrible for the dealer :-( omg this is Awful.
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The pictures and video above in the instagram post shows the distraction technique employed by the perps. |
Massive theft at Dallas card show, Appears well over a Million$ worth of cards stolen
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Watch the security video. A guy literally picked up the case and walked out.
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This is one reason why larger card shows, Philly, Chantilly and the National for instance are cracking down on badges and not wanting people who are not dealers actually setup at shows walking around during setup and breakdown at the conclusion of shows.
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If these idiots have any sense (guessing they don't) they will turn themselves in and return the case. They will be facing grand larceny charges and based on those surveillance videos are sure to be apprehended. Turn yourselves in and maybe you'll receive some degree of
mercy from the judge. Ashish hang in there, you're going to come out of this ok. |
These stories are become more and more common. The bad actors know where the big cards are. Be careful.
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This theft looks to be bigger than the ML heist this year. Very sad for the hobby.
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That security footage is probably good enough to lead to some identification, but wonder what their plan is to move a big haul like that. They must think they have some genius plan to put in motion.
Also, I’ve never seen that guy list a card at an attractive price…but apparently he’s having some good success with it. |
Murphy’s law applies with sports cards. If they can be stolen, they will be stolen. I have been a victim twice. Both times, the cards were not locked in a good safe. Since the 80s, the word has been out that cards are not cardboard toys. Thieves are targeting collectors. Theft, counterfeits, fraud, etc. there are dark forces out there, so if you value your collection, guard them with extra special care.
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The 52 mantles were put up for sake on Facebook 6hrs ago
What am I missing |
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Sounds like a brilliant strategy to hide the crime. |
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Edited to clear confusion I caused. Ignore. |
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Hmmm..its dated today 4 in the afternoon
And the cards are not in a case Strange |
I'm not on facebook. So this is a post by Ashish?
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Massive theft at Dallas card show, Appears well over a Million$ worth of cards stolen
Here is his stolen post after his '52 mantle post. About 5 hours apart give or take probably an hour as Facebooks clock isn't great.
Simply put I think he took the mantles out after the show ended, listed them and then put them back in the case to go home. In theory they would be safer in the case then in an open display case that is mid tear down propped open. At least that's my thoughts. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...bdfe00dc93.jpg |
Ash's prices are definitely negotiating starting points. Unlike some museum pricing he is looking to deal. Not that that has any bearing on this situation. He is one of the good guys for sure and this is just shitty.
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Omg ! Triple sigh !
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Not implying anything...time on Facebook is 4
Sunday show probably closed by 4 Cards aren't on display or in a case in picture 1st picture no price stickers...2nd picture prices Why post on Sunday afternoon you'll be at show Sunday I just find it strange... |
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So he's advertising the cards that were just stolen for the National? Sorry not following.
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Awesome. Another post about a theft which means another post where people add their worthless 2 cents instead of focusing on the pieces of garbage that commit these crimes.
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Last ill comment on this for the sake of stopping confusion. Ashsh Always advertises cards before and during shows. Today around the end of the show he sent the Mantle for sale message advertising being at the national as that was the final day at Dallas and the show just ended. And a few hours later he made the stolen post. So it all happened during breakdown NOT SETUP. That is my fault completely thinking it happened during setup and trying to piece together the times. Hope this clears up my mistake. |
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You have to figure with all the tech and cameras around, they're going to get the butthead(s). Just hope it isn't divided already.
Kind of got to agree with Peter, those prices shown on the slabs is a bit "show optimistic" pricing, but none the less, it's nice stuff. Really hope they nail these a-holes. |
Dang, that's A LOT of nice cards stolen.
Hope the nail the a-holes behind the theft and get back all the cards. |
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Agreed! I have completed a few deals with Ashsh and those prices are starting points and he has always been willing to negotiate. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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And breaking down the tables is the most dangerous time at a show for the reason I just noted. At least during set-up with badges being hopefully monitored you have a chance of knowing who is in the room. During close out, anyone who paid admission or even comes in for the last hour or so is in the room. Regards Rich |
Remind me to never get robbed.
People might have something to say about my stickers |
The thieves knew what they were doing. If you ever travel abroad or even in a big US city you should be aware that thieves/pickpockets work in groups. There’s the distractor(s), the klepto and the lookout(s). You have to be wary about the most normal looking person.
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There are pics of the perps on Facebook as well as a video - which I didn't see
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Damn this sucks. Ashish is a good dude and great dealer. Hoping it all works out.
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Amazing to me how people here dance around with accusatory “questions” that take veiled shots at a well respected dealer who was massively victimized here.
Seriously, what is wrong with these people? Ashsh is a great guy, a respected dealer and deserves the benefit of the doubt - so sorry to see this news, Ashsh. And I hope you never any of these jagoff comments that imply anything other than empathy for what happened Hang in there, bud. Hoping for a surprise good outcome here 🤞 |
Just a heartbreaking story and hope they catch the group asap.
In the meantime maybe something for the hobby as a whole to rally around and take precautionary measures like using available location identification tech such as placing Apple Air Tags in card carrying cases or even somehow affix to a secondary case holder for expensive graded cards, so dealer/authorities can immediately see where their inventory is moving about. |
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Ash posted on Twitter https://x.com/cardzzzzz4u/status/181...864797129?s=46 |
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Announcements are made at Philly and Chantilly for customers to finish deals and leave. Paul (in charge of the room at those shows) has made a point, especially at Philly, that badges are needed at shows end, even on Sunday. At the March/November Chicago shows I wait for the rush of dealers to leave before I walk across the street to retrieve my van and drive over to load out in order to get a close parking spot to load out. I had people asked to leave that were loitering around the show after it is over. |
[QUOTE=ncinin;2446309]At large shows you do need a badge to be in the room after the show is over.
Announcements are made at Philly and Chantilly for customers to finish deals and leave. Paul (in charge of the room at those shows) has made a point, especially at Philly, that badges are needed at shows end, even on Sunday. At the March/November Chicago shows I wait for the rush of dealers to leave before I walk across the street to retrieve my van and drive over to load out in order to get a close parking spot to load out. I had people asked to leave that were loitering around the show after it is over.[/QU As large as the NSCC is, you would need more than just Paul to enforce any badges at the end of the show. And as you pointed out, you wait for the hordes to leave before getting your car. I realize the safety issue, but at some point this is just not enforceable because of the mammoth size of the NSCC. I personally think there will be some effects from the badge reductions and the answer will not be a happy one for many dealers. I would want to have someone with me at the NSCC just to watch my table/booth and not be a lone wolf leaving especially is my material is as good as the person's who suffered that terrible loss. I also think there will be a reduction in dealer to dealer sales on Tuesday which for many dealers makes their whole show. Alsso, the extra badge at the NSCC would get me more backup as the two most dangerous times at a show for vendors are load-in and break down. I have said this on webcasts and I have a ton of respect for the promotion skills of Joe, Jimmy and their teams but I think this wholesale reduction of badges is a mistake and there are probably better ways around this Rich |
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There were uniformed police officers walking the aisles and very visible throughout the entire show as well as a new group of uniformed expo service staff constantly patrolling the aisles during the show. However once the show was winding down, they were no where to be seen, at one of the most crucial times for potential theft..
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I am sure having their packed items taken was the last thing on their mind, despite knowing to always be on the lookout for thieves during the show, when the card swappers and distracters normally try to take advantage of a busied employee. As others have stated Ash is a great guy, well respected and trusted. You could leave your house keys or wallet with him and everything would be exactly as your left it. He certainly did not deserve this(nor does anyone), I think the thieves had likely scoped him out for some time and were aware of the lack of people in the booth and the absence of other people in the venue at this time of the shows as a rule and new that there would be opportunity. |
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I agree with the comment about members talking about his prices too. They are marked high but he will deal on just about anything. This is not the time to talk about someone's selling skills. It's time to talk about who the perps are. A really nice guy got robbed. And his son I usually talk with is one of the nicest young guys in the room too. . |
This has all the makings of a national news story. Brazen midday heist of 7-figures worth of collectables. I think some planning definitely went into this, but it remains to be seen just how "professional" these thieves are. Stealing the cards is one thing, but fencing them is a whole nother matter.
Unless they were wearing special facial disguises they will get made in very little time. Because of the size of the heist, police will take interest, as will of course the insurance company as I doubt these cards weren't insured. There will be other video, outside the venue. It's possible we could have names really soon. I believe they will be apprehended in short order. No knock on Ash who I have done deals with and is a complete gentleman, but you probably need to keep a closer eye on inventory of that value. |
Hopefully the local PD can get cell tower pings and maybe narrow down the suspect count if these guys were communicating via cell… tie the video to the pings..
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I agree, I’ve talked to him a couple of times at the Dallas show and have had nothing but positive interactions with him. Hate for the good guys in the hobby to be robbed, will be on the lookout for any of these unique cards |
Not purposefully trying to be judgy, however the thief sure fits the awkwardly dressed card show profile. I am betting he is a collector and someone likely knows this guy in the modern community.
If the other three are involved or he just took advantage of the situation of them for a distraction is up to the police to decide. However, they look like plenty of trade night attendees as well. I think someone will step forward and id someone. I can't stand the guy, but it might be good to get this film into Geoff Wilson's hands and he may put it in a video. If they are modern collectors, he has the reach on youtube. I saw this morning you have TikTok covered because Coach Koe already has a post. He has a huge reach on there. |
If there's any upside, it's that Ash is getting a lot of free positive character references and advertising.
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Hate to see that this has happened again. Hope they are caught and all cards are recovered.
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Seems like the breaking down period at these shows in the most dangerous time for organized theft |
That video is amazing, a virtual training film for cops, thieves, and dealers. Thank goodness the camera was on and working, I'm guessing they will catch these guys because of it. And how many dealers with similar inventories have such up to date photos of their cards for insurance purposes and lookouts for attempted fencing? Not many, I'll bet. So Ash seems well positioned for a positive ending to this story--I certainly hope so. But without wanting to blame the victim here, and with 20 years of doing shows in my past, it's inconceivable to me that anyone would place that suitcase on the floor and so close to an aisle and walk away without designating a helper to sit with it until it was time to fill the display cases. Yes, the young guys shouldn't have allowed themselves to get distracted so easily, but it's on the owner of that suitcase to assure its safety at all times.
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I feel really bad for the kids, I'm sure they feel terrible and don't really know how to process it all. Adults are adults, and have to deal with their own stuff and I'm sure he will. I certainly hope all the cards are returned and everyone appropriately punished. People are inherently distractible no matter how vigilant they may try to be or may think they are being. This will probably lead to people rethinking how they secure cards at different stages of a show, so that's probably a good discussion to come of it all. . |
What’s the penalty for this type of heist these days? 10-20 years?
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I’m hoping when these guys are caught and they absolutely will be are made an example of. Serious jail time.
Occasional I bring inventory and cash to shows worth way more than I’d hate to have stolen. It certainly gives me an uneasy feeling. I’m sure others can relate. |
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This really sucks. Do any of you guys setting up at shows use air tags or something similar for your own cases? I was wondering if the hobby has adopted them or similar devices.
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Unlike the opportunistic hotel heist that happened recently, hopefully these guys will get snagged soon.
They most likely have more knowledge of flipping this stuff compared to the hotel kids which means they're more likely to break the cards out of their slabs and alter them to hide their identity. That said, there's good video and many eye witnesses given how long they hung around the venue waiting to strike. It seems they're destined to be caught, but hopefully before they crack slabs. Hell, hopefully they're more ignorant of what they had than it seems, but that seems like a longshot. |
I owned that EPDG Cobb over a decade ago. Sad sad story.
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My sister in law actually handcuffs her cash box to the table when she sells products at the local farmers market. Smart |
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