FS: Rare 1910 E-UNC Ty Cobb -- New Card Added
 

Two very rare Ty Cobb cards, both cut from candy boxes. These are two of the eight total graded between SGC and PSA. $12,500 delivered for each one, 20K for both. Email or PM if interested.

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Is card still available?

Sold

Both cards available.

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Great looking card for someone’s collection

New card added.

Whats available?
 

Looks like one was sold... which one is still available? Thanks!

I believe both are available. The red border example was available for months here at a much lower price, then a sale on ebay for >12k led to buyers trying to swoop it up. The seller adjusted his price accordingly and added the blue bordered copy for sale today.

Not exactly

Cobb sale
 

Hmm... something is wierd... I have a screenshot from 9th showing red was sold on 8th ... I grabbed shot (attached) to show a friend that awesome price... did that buyer back out or something?

Buyer probably backed out. Calvindog is as legit as they come

Yup…..something stinks on this one. Card was definitely sold for the listed price and now it’s for sale again for 12.5k instead of 3.2k

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I’m in a Facebook group and a bunch of people are talking about it. Said the seller sold it then backed out after it was paid for. If that’s the case that’s unfortunate because the seller is a super respected member. I don’t know the whole story though. :o

Pass the 🍿 please

What appears to have happened is an 18 year old collector had a good deal from a high powered attorney and the kid got screwed over.

Ya'll can say what you want to, in this thread, but you have to obey the rule near the top of every page, concerning your full name, or edit your comment out. Thanks

So was this a case of someone posting “sold” to a 2 month old for sale ad and then seller saying “yeah price has changed” or was there some more communication?

I mean I saw this on Facebook groups by the “buyer” so I’d have assumed nt was paid for and in hand but I guess that wasn’t the case either.

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Interesting.

Yeaaa 2 months later ooookay

Why are you chiming in if you do not know the details? Was payment accepted?

There had been a. RASH of posters with WAY too much time on their hands, reeking of desperation, trolling the bst threads looking for underpriced cards from months back. I had a thread up for a card for 850 and the last sale was 3000. Seems suspicious.

It's hard to cheat and honest man, and a pricing error could have even occurred.

So no, you can't answer the question

Yikes.

This was for sale on 3/1 at 3200 and nobody had any interest, which would imply either everyone is broke, nobody likes the card at any price or the card was priced too high.

The member who posted "sold" might have done so having noticed the sale on eBay for much more for the same card and saw an opportunity to flip the card. Is the card worth 3200 or what it just sold for 2 months later on eBay?

I think a deal was made if the money had been sent and accepted by the seller and the card should have been shipped.

What a week in the hobby...We have a respected auction house who had an auction for cards that could not be sold and now a respected member not honor a sale of a card. Tough time for collectors to take possession of cardboard.

Still waiting for you to tell the rest of the story. Sale wasn't blindly cancelled. I saw the card posted in multiple FB groups for sale or trade (for a Mantle). You were trying to flip the card before it was shipped or in hand. My guess is seller saw the posts. You can fill in the blanks from there.

Not saying seller shouldn't have still shipped because a deal is a deal. I am saying that it isn't as simple as you're stating.

Also, here's a link where seller was on your podcast 11 months ago. Draw whatever conclusion you will but I'd guess seller was trying to help you out by doing that. You clearly didn't have his best interest when you saw the card he posted even knowing that he had helped you. Many of us would've (and have) said something to the seller if they're buddies of ours in situations like this. You clearly didn't care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKwA-FIA0l0

Sorry Josh. You're not in the right on this one, either.

It feels like that old Paul Harvey radio show -- and now you know..... the REST of the story.

I doubt I'll be able to get Paul Harvey's voice out of my head now. Real cool.... haha!

American institution. Here's a relatively early photo. Good DAY.

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If he gave you permission, why within 30 minutes did you think you had made a mistake and that it would have a bad effect on the seller? This does not make sense to me.

And while you're at it, you might recount the communications that led up to cancellation of the deal.

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I am not saying you did anything wrong or that you were not wronged, but you aren't making sense. Obviously something happened that led to this deal not going through. And it seems you're fine sharing private messages when they favor your story.

Troy, thanks. Josh is someone I had treated like a son, was a friend of my family in California — and he pulled one of the scummiest moves imaginable, just over a few bucks. The money is meaningless to me but the disloyalty and dishonesty is not something I’ll forget.

And Josh, next time you get the urge to ask me to donate to a charity via your fraternity, lose my number. I did it once without a second’s hesitation. You can find another sucker next time.

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Josh I want to suggest to you again like I did on facebook that you should take a break. You are not doing yourself any favors on here.
I have nothing against resellers in the least but there is a right and wrong way of doing things and I think you missed the boat on this one.

You and Jeff were friends and you told half-truths to him and in my opinion lied through omission about your motives.

You dug up an old thread and Jeff stood by his price which many would not have done on such an old thread. You knew how much the other one sold for when you bought it again Jeff was a friend of yours.
Then you asked him if you could post it for sale while neglecting to tell him again how much it was worth again this is someone you said was your friend.

Then when you posted it in the dond thread you quoted the comp and turned down offers well over what you paid but when people mentioned it you deleted the thread.

You say you were not buying to flip but this all happened because you were so anxious to sell it that Jeff had not even had a chance to ship it.

Again he agreed to sell it and took your money but if you do not honestly see issue with how you treated one of your "Friends" I definitely know I do not wish to be one of your friends. I am sure many others probably feel the same way

The people upset at you are not upset because you are reselling they are upset because of how you conducted yourself.





Max Jackson

Actually I wasn’t in that fraternity. And you don’t take advantage of a friend, especially a friend who goes out of his way for you, and who treats you the way I treated you. Unless you’re just a greasy scumbag who only cares about money. Your many apologies to me in private are belied by your stance here. I’m sickened by what you did and I’m sickened by you. Hope it was worth it.

Josh I wasn't going to post again but you can not say that you were going to keep something as a PC card if you tried to sell it so fast that you did not even receive it in the mail yet

Hopefully Josh is not representative of the next generation of the hobby.

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Work on your math. It’s as bad as your ethics.

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I’ve been collecting for 40 years and my reputation in this hobby is leaps and bounds better than yours will ever be. There’s a reason why I get hired by so many people on Net 54 and nationally who have criminal and civil issues relating to the hobby and why so man people have messaged me since a few hours ago with Josh cautionary tales. That you actually think what you did was appropriate to a friend is stunning to me. I wouldn’t have done what you did at 18 or 58. You were wrong. And you’re not worth the time to discuss this anymore.

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You’re an idiot. I never represented Mastro or Probstein. And the money means nothing to me as you know. And I’ll say it again: you don’t screw over a friend in this hobby. And if you think denigrating my career is going to win you some points out here, you’re even more delusional than I had thought.

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If you offered to call off the deal, why are you making accusations that it was breached?

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I thought you were done but you posted 5 more times after sharing this, so apparently you're knee deep.

So if you agreed to call off the deal, you shouldn't be making accusations.

Moral grandstanding after doing what you did to a friend is really something Josh. I do not know Jeff at all but you should have more of a sense of irony.

This is someone you called a friend until this all went down and now you have an issue with him and his actions?

Seems to me that you were willing to compromise the principles you are now touting while it benefitted you.


I want to clarify that this is in no way a comment on Jeff as I do not know him. I am simply commenting on your own logic.

You have said so many things that you have later contradicted I really would not believe the time from your watch at this point

Max Jackson

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I made clear to you that if you were going to insist on pushing this disgusting thing you did, and require me to sell you the card, that I would — but that I would make sure everyone knew what kind of person you were. Are you actually suggesting I was physically threatening you? What is wrong with you?

I give up, I can't follow half of what you say. My advice, just stop.

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Whoever uses a space before and after a comma can't be trusted.

There’s something wrong with you. For real.

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A telltale sign for sure.

This certainly has taken a turn. I've also been one where I've had the greed or jealousy of others ruin friendships. 10k could be just a few bucks for some but will certainly be a comeuppance for Josh. I don't think it would be worth ruining a relationship with what appears to be a friend and mentor over 10k, or some baseball card. Sure, you might have gotten the drop on him after he posted a card 2 months prior and a sale was made, but plenty of times here posters have advised the seller they had made a mistake or error. I think the only time it didn't happen was that Cobb Fielding postcard someone got relatively cheap. Dozens of times it's happened to me on ebay where sellers claim a pricing error, and once a "friend" learned about my buy it now and offered more money to the seller.

there is just nothing you can do.

To take the moral high ground and say "a friend should consummate the deal" should.really look in the mirror and ask what a friend is. Start with yourself. Even if you get a full price offer, you still don't need to sell. Just like house, nobody can enforce a sale. You're barking up the wrong tree if you are trying to bully or intimidate the counselor by going on and on.

Now where is that 🍿

LOLOL. I want to say I’m surprised, but I’m not.

Get’em!

I’m glad I have better friends than ones who’d try to buy a card from me at a months old price without letting me know about how one sold for 10k more days prior.

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Josh, you're a family friend, someone who I've done favors for, someone who responds to your many texts, someone who has spent time staying at my family's house -- yes, you don't try to steal a card from me without telling me that just a few days earlier the card sold for 300% more than my old listing price in an eBay auction. When you asked me to be on your podcast, I didn't hesitate to say yes, even though it took time out of my weekend, a rare time I have any time off. When you text me multiple times a week, I always respond. When you asked me to go to dinner with you and your father in Cleveland this summer, I said yes. As I told you, and you seemed to agree in texts and on the phone, the proper way to handle this would have been to tell me about the recent sale and then ask me if you could buy the card from me. I would have been happy with your honesty and given it to you at a discount -- just not the now arcane price that I had originally listed it for.

Instead, you claimed that because you're a "hustler" you simply didn't consider my feelings or our relationship: you wanted the card as it was really cheap and you wanted to trade up so that you could get your long-coveted 1952 Mantle. Of course, you didn't tell me this at the time you asked to buy it; instead you claimed that you wanted the card for your personal collection. Had you told me you were looking to make a big score on a flip, I would have quickly figured out that the card was badly mispriced and checked VCP. Because you're a kid I've looked out for like a son in this hobby, I didn't bother checking VCP when you said you wanted the card. I just presumed you'd never screw me over money.

Afterward, you asked me if it would be ok for you to sell the card. I thought that was odd because you had just told me how much you loved the card for your personal collection but now you want to sell it? I told you it was ok, but I also felt it was sleazy to some degree, but this is how the hobby is. People sometimes beg you for your card at a cheap price and explain they've wanted the card forever when in reality they just want a cheaper price and are willing to lie to get it.

Then I saw that you listed the card for sale (without my having even mailed it out yet) for 13K. And I received some more messages asking if the card was still available. At this point, I figured it out and checked VCP: and saw the Probstein sale for 12.7K just five days earlier. I was shocked that you hadn't told me about this before asking to buy the card. And I called you on it instantly. I didn't hide behind a keyboard, I asked you to call me and you did. And I lit into you for the incredibly scummy, sleazy, selfish thing you had done to a friend. You apologized profusely and the next day wanted to speak again, telling me you hadn't slept the night before. You also lied to me and said that you had assumed I had seen the 12.7K sale before selling you the card for 3.2K. As I repeatedly said to you, "how can you say that I knew the card just sold for 12.7K and then let it go for 3.2K?" After maintaining this lie for a while, you finally gave in and admitted that you knew I hadn't seen the recent Probstein sale, which is why I sold it to you for so cheap.

I told you I'd let you have the card for 3.2K but with that scummy move, I'd tell anyone and everyone what you did. As I told you, this isn't a baseball card life lesson, it's a life lesson period: don't take advantage of your friends. I then heard from a few people in the hobby who you told the story to and not one of them was told by you that the reason you wanted the card was due to the much higher Probstein sale compared to my much lower price. To each of these people you simply said I had a card for sale and had reneged on it. I told you, and I was right, that no respected person in the hobby would have done to me what you did to me. That I wouldn't do such a thing to a stranger on Net 54 as we're all part of the same small community and we should look out for each other. And I certainly would never do it to someone I considered a mentor, and a friend of my family.

I considered this ended only to find you talking about it out here. I then responded. I've received messages from 9 people since then telling me that you have questionable ethics in the hobby, that you were kicked out of one Facebook group due to your hobby practices and that you can't be trusted. I was then more disappointed in myself that I hadn't seen any of that in you when you were pretending to be my friend. Then you have the balls to get so low to attack my career, because I dare to defend people accused of crimes, as if somehow that makes me a criminal and not someone who provides people their constitutional right to a defense. You're pathetic and dishonest and a disappointment. I hope this was all worth it to you.

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In addition, editing and deleting your posts sometimes hours later, after I responded to the now-vanished comments from you: you look like a desperate rat, doing anything you can to make this look better for you. A real apology might be the right thing to do at this point instead of digging that hole deeper.

If you think your education is expensive, see what greed and ignorance will cost you.

I explained to you that the 10K meant nothing to me and it still doesn't. It was the dishonesty from who I considered to be a trusted friend. My career doesn't give me the moral high ground here, my dealings with others here does. I wouldn't screw over anyone on Net 54 for a card, even someone I don't know. And I certainly wouldn't screw over a friend.

You trying to twist my words is just another example of you being a desperate, cornered rat.

You are punching WELL above your weight here Joshua. Greedy does make for a hungry puppy.

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You deleted post after post above, not correcting typos.

I explained what I meant about the money issue and your accusation about other lawyers has zero to do with you trying to rob me. You're a hobby scumbag at age 18. Own it.

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You would have demanded? LOL. I'm sure I would have been overpowered by that demand.

Josh, I have never been accused of robbing anyone in this hobby, unlike you at age 18. You're a pathetic, weird, creepy scumbag. Keep digging that hole.

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My experience
 

Just wanted to add….. I bought an item a year or so ago from Jeffrey not knowing who he was. I was treated kindly, professionally and as an equal. I quickly learned I was dealing with a very high powered collector after checking his website . It’s always nice when someone who is obviously very busy with a lot of major items of concern in life takes the time to be gracious to a smaller end collector like myself. Just wanted to give my personal experience for what it’s worth. Thanks Jeffrey again.

What a thread. Josh, after trying to pull a dickhead move on a friend, you're just digging yourself a deeper hole here trying to defend it. As I said many posts ago, you should cut your losses and stop.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

Good lord Josh take your Loss and learn from it. Jeff has been more than patient with you even after you tried to scam him and take advantage of his generosity. This is sad.,