???PSA 60's Special???? - Grades popped!! The eagle has landed!
 

Gauging interest in the PSA 60's special.....the only catch is, I got an 8 day cruise coming up so that will leave out a major chunk of time near the end of the month.

Are they going to screw us on the low value limit again? Having it top out at $199 is just plain ridiculous.

Yep...200 limit

60s
 

How much are they charging per card.
I have several football cards from the 60’s

Thanks
John P

Swingin’ Sixties part II?

The $200 DV, when the price for each card is only $4 less than the value bulk price, is a real poke in the eye

So is this not a good special?

Well I guess "good" is in the eye of the beholder. If you have a bunch of mid grade 60s cards you want to get slabbed, then paying $15 per card instead of $19 per card isnt a bad deal.

Imo a $200 limit is ridiculous. Makes zero sense.

$15

Bobby,

Let me know if this is a go. I may have a few cards. Thanks.

I am in if this is a go.
 

I am in for 4 if this is a go Bobby!

I can find 5 or 6 if it is a go

60s special
 

Im in for a FEW if its a go.
thanks
John P

$ 15 for less than $200 value. Doesn't make sense to me. Must be for commons or stars in the 1-2 range. The ones I wanted to send in are all over the $200 limit.

Well...it's not sports too....I am sending in some Batman cards I wouldn't otherwise get graded.

I have three or four that I would like to submit.

Can some explain something about grading and fees. If a card is submitted for grading and the card has been deemed more valuable than the price paid for the grading fee, then does the TPG grade not grade it unless an adjusted (increased) fee is paid? I can only imagine this happens very frequently.

Your order is held up and you get an email saying your card is worth more in value that the sub allows, and you are responsible for the increase in fees. Had it happen on the last big sub with some Cobbs and a Babe Ruth. My advice is to be realistic as to what you think it will grade.

I have 3 if we are a go. Thanks

Just curious, what would be the minimum value of a card that you would consider for submission? I have some semi-star cards that could grade 6-7 and at the grade be worth $50-$60.

Hi Bobby,
Has there been any updates to the 60's special from a couple of months ago?
Thanks,
Mark

It logged in Sept 5th and is still in Research and ID.

Seems like these have actually started moving. Mine was logged in August 23rd and just moved into the Assembly stage today.

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Any movement in the last month?

Can some explain something about grading and fees. If a card is submitted for grading and the card has been deemed more valuable than the price paid for the grading fee, then does the TPG grade not grade it unless an adjusted (increased) fee is paid? I can only imagine this happens very frequently.

PSA won’t send it back to you until you pay the upcharge.

Not sure what would happen if you refused to pay the upcharge.

Historically, they have threatened to return it ungraded if the upcharge wasn't paid.

That is a nice strategy to consider. Seeing the upcharge, you'd know what grade it got. So, you decline it, and when they send the card back, you immediately send it off to SGC (knowing what grade it 'should' get) for a smooth $15, and have it back in less than two weeks in a holder without incurring any additional (and excessive) opinion fees. :cool:

PSA will hold your card hostage and force you to pay the upcharge fee if you want to get it back in its graded holder. Alternatively, you can decline to pay the upcharge fee and they will return it back to you ungraded. However, they will still charge you the grading fee for the service level you submitted it at.

So if you submit a card at the $300 grading fee level, and they want to upcharge you to a $1k grading fee, you can decline the upcharge and they will send your card back ungraded and they will still charge you the $300.

I have done this before.

I haven't had an upcharge lately. The last time I got one, was when my Karl Malone rookie got a PSA 10. Due to the value, I gladly paid the upcharge.

Assembly

Yea!!!

still in assembly. Estimated completion date was tomorrow. Looks like they aren't going to make it.

The grades have popped...and the way PSA does it, is NOT user friendly for a spreadsheet anymore. I tried to do the best I could, so my apologies. If you want to be surprised, DO NOT click this link!!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?pli=1#gid=0

Bobby,

We appreciate these piggyback submission groups, and all the work you do. May your wildest grades come true. :) Happy New Year!

I'll be curious to see the grades vs expectations for this submission. After a pretty long streak of terrible vintage grades, I finally got a bulk vintage PSA order back this week with accurate grades.

I thought I did OK....everything looked accurate to me. Maybe others can chime in?

Brent...I didn't see you on this one??? That's odd, eh?

I am happy with mine!!

Very happy with four of the grades, disappointed in two. Not saying they didn't grade accurately, they probably did, just was hoping for one grade better on one of my submissions and two grades higher on another (which I knew was going to be a reach). Still, encouraging overall and will continue to wait for a special that includes R non-sports as I have a ton of that to grade.

Thanks Bobby for doing this. Very happy with all of my grades. Actually a little better than I expected.

Given that long streak, why are you still submitting to PSA, if I may?

I have definitely started sending a lot of the stuff I used to send to PSA over to SGC now. But for certain cards, it's still worth the gamble at PSA. Sometimes you get a fair grader there. It's a roll of the dice. I use my own grading probability distributions to decide where to send what.

With all the noise from vintage collectors screaming from the rooftops at PSA regarding harsh grades of vintage, you'd have to assume at some point they actually start listening to their customers and hold a grading realignment meeting with the grading team. Especially when those complaints are coming from long time seasoned hobby vets who know what they're talking about. Perhaps that has recently happened? It's still too early to tell, but my most recent submission and this submission both being accurate is at least a sign of hope.

There are a lot of things I like about SGC. The prices they bring versus PSA is not one of them.

Snowman posted several examples of how the exact same card actually brings more in a SGC slab.

The data scientist cherry-picked his data...

I'm in agreement Scott....as a whole, PSA brings higher prices. Do you notice that in your auctions as well Scott? I would LOVE to see them both bring the same comps. That is simply not reality though.

Been four years.
 

.. I have not read a post in this vein concerning vintage cards sent to PSA Grading and returned , for a long time. Perhaps all the new kids in The Joe O Memorial Basement have learned a bit ?

..Happy for your circumstance with the cards,. !!

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In my experience, all things being equal, PSA cards go for more. If an SGC card has screaming eye appeal for the grade that can be an obvious exception.

HOF'ers the gap is smaller, commons the gap is HUGE at the higher grades, easily explainable by the lack of a set registry.

I have a lot of data on this. I'm not guessing here and I have no agenda to push. I submit to whoever is going to make me the most money when grading cards to sell. Which means I submit to both PSA and SGC, depending on the card.

You cannot just look at 10 random PSA 6 copies of a card and compare them with 10 random SGC 6 copies of the same card and make the claim that PSA brings higher prices than SGC because those PSA 6s outsold the SGC 6s. Not with vintage. You can't even make that claim across 100 copies of each, or even 100 copies each of 1,000 different cards. That was my entire point in creating that thread. If you want to answer the question of which TPG sells for more, PSA or SGC, then you have to take THE SAME CARD and send it to both PSA and SGC and only then can you determine which one outsells the other. Then you have to specify which cards you're talking about; post-war vintage commons, vintage HOFers with soft corners, OC cards, ultra-modern, etc. It all matters, and you're leaving money on the table if you haven't figured that out yet.

If I have a card that I know will get a 4 at both PSA and SGC, like an otherwise EX-MT card with a tiny surface wrinkle, then I'm sending it to PSA because yes, in that case, it will sell for more as a PSA 4. But If I have a dead-centered 1954 Topps Hank Aaron RC with slightly soft corners and a flawless surface, I'd be making a financial blunder by sending it to PSA because SGC is going to give that card a higher grade nearly every single time.

Yes, for commons, the gap is much more significant. Particularly at the higher grades. Even a PSA 8 will often compete with an SGC 9 for some random 1970s Topps common.

What kind of complete and utter maniac grades commons?????!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D

i hope that happens. I have hundreds of cards I haven't sent in because it's just not worth it in a harsh, punishing grading environment, but would like to grade them someday if there is hope for accuracy.

Yeah, I missed the boat on this one. I was vacationing when you announced it. I’ll be back, though, assuming you’ll have me. :p

I know that some people who have been grading since the start claim that PSA goes in cycles, oscillating back and forth between harsher grades and softer grades. This hasn't been my observation, but it seems plausible. I've been waiting for a correction for years now. We'll know soon enough if it's actually here or if it's still business as usual though. That data will come in pretty quickly.

I have a few hundred cards out at any given time. Unfortunately I haven't noticed a pattern, but if I start to see something I'll share.

We got a tracking number....cards should be back soon.

Thanks. Can't wait to get them. I appreciate you doing this for us, Bobby.

The eagle has landed. Everyone be patient while I work to get these back out asap!

Able to get them all done except the biggest one, and it will go out tonight.