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Belfast1933 02-22-2023 06:45 AM

Black Swamp Find? Tell me more!
 
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I would LOVE to hear more about the “Black Swamp Find” from members here who know the story well… I recently made a trade with a fellow member here with an amazing collection of cards which included this E98 HOFer Roger Bresnahan.

I have heard of the Black Swamp Find and just read a story about it on the PSA site but I figured some here might have other insights - would love to hear more!

(Also, I thought all of the E98 cards from that find had a mention of the Black Swamp Find but this one does not… any idea why not?)

Thx all (as a bonus, I am adding a photo from the Hall of Fame that I visited last week where I saw the original image posted that was the model image for this card, which I thought was pretty cool - sorry for sideways image… positing this from my phone)

Jeff

ullmandds 02-22-2023 06:57 AM

I don't know any more than what is published online re the BSF. BSF cards were stigmatized at first...some didn't/don't believe they are real. They also changed the landscape of e98 collecting forever as there are now more ultra high grade examples than not.

Many of these cards have been reholdered...or have been since graded without the BSF moniker as I believe people are trying to distance their cards from the find.

Additionally I believe family members of the find likely still hold numerous more yet to be holdered examples.

Lorewalker 02-22-2023 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317020)
I don't know any more than what is published online re the BSF. BSF cards were stigmatized at first...some didn't/don't believe they are real. They also changed the landscape of e98 collecting forever as there are now more ultra high grade examples than not.

Many of these cards have been reholdered...or have been since graded without the BSF moniker as I believe people are trying to distance their cards from the find.

Additionally I believe family members of the find likely still hold numerous more yet to be holdered examples.

Actually the story that I was told is that some of the family held back ungraded examples--more cards than what had been initially graded and sold by Heritage. After Heritage sold the ones they graded, the other part of the find was sold off and ended up with Evan Mathis. Those are the high grade E98s that you see without the BSF provenance on the holders.

x2drich2000 02-22-2023 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2317035)
Actually the story that I was told is that some of the family held back ungraded examples--more cards than what had been initially graded and sold by Heritage. After Heritage sold the ones they graded, the other part of the find was sold off and ended up with Evan Mathis. Those are the high grade E98s that you see without the BSF provenance on the holders.

I was aware that some of the family held back cards from the intital group graded by PSA and sold by HA. I was not aware that Evan bought a group from the family. Were these the ones that were subsequently graded by SGC?

This kind of speaks to the issue with the collectability of the BSF cards. No one knows the full story of how many were in the find and it seems more and more keep coming to market. Could you imagine what would happen to the market for these if a large portion has still not been released?

Jay Wolt 02-22-2023 09:45 AM

Its amazing that a batch survived untouched after all these years.
Had a couple of them

Here's one that I scanned

https://qualitycards.com/pictures/9006625044.jpg
https://qualitycards.com/pictures/9006625044b.jpg

Jay Wolt 02-22-2023 09:48 AM

& PSA handed out promos of the cards at the 2012 National Convention.
it has a write up on the card back

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GFAAA...b0/s-l1600.jpg

Lorewalker 02-22-2023 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by x2drich2000 (Post 2317045)
I was aware that some of the family held back cards from the intital group graded by PSA and sold by HA. I was not aware that Evan bought a group from the family. Were these the ones that were subsequently graded by SGC?

This kind of speaks to the issue with the collectability of the BSF cards. No one knows the full story of how many were in the find and it seems more and more keep coming to market. Could you imagine what would happen to the market for these if a large portion has still not been released?

Evan Mathis eventually ended up with the ungraded cards that were held back. They were not offered to him initially. I forget the quantity but it was more than the 600 or 700 that were initially graded. PSA and SGC have graded some of these and the provenance was intentionally left out on some or most of them.

I recall there was an interview early on after the find was made public that alluded to the fact that not all of the cards ended up with Heritage.

ullmandds 02-22-2023 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2317057)
Evan Mathis eventually ended up with the ungraded cards that were held back. They were not offered to him initially. I forget the quantity but it was more than the 600 or 700 that were initially graded. PSA and SGC have graded some of these and the provenance was intentionally left out on some or most of them.

I recall there was an interview early on after the find was made public that alluded to the fact that not all of the cards ended up with Heritage.

WOW!!!!!! I didn't realize there were THAT many?????

Lorewalker 02-22-2023 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317058)
WOW!!!!!! I didn't realize there were THAT many?????

Prior to the find, PSA had a total of 627 in their pop report. They have now graded 2,238. No doubt that includes BSF card having been broken out and resubmitted but a staggering increase.

No idea what SGC's pop report showed prior to 2012 but they have now graded 1,839 E98s but who knows how many of those are cards being resubmitted.

A2000 02-22-2023 10:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjGZ...ritageAuctions

Belfast1933 02-22-2023 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317058)
WOW!!!!!! I didn't realize there were THAT many?????

Oh man, the original “junk wax” era! Who knew?? Maybe I’ll trade my Bres for a sweet Gregg Jeffries RC!

BobbyStrawberry 02-22-2023 10:39 AM

Is it known who these cards originally belonged to?

Casey2296 02-22-2023 10:55 AM

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I think BSF cards should be considered a separate set from original circulation E98's. The buyers of BSF and OC cards are completely different collectors, BSF collectors lean more towards hi-grade registry type of stuff.

When I put my sets together I only wanted original circulation cards so I could experience what is was like to build the sets pre-BSF.

The best OC set I have seen is a member here who put a Green one together with his dad prior to BSF, beautiful set, apologies I can't remember his username.

And a couple of cards.
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BobC 02-22-2023 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry (Post 2317067)
Is it known who these cards originally belonged to?

I believe the father of the woman who lived in the home had a small store back in the day, and speculation was that instead of handing out all the cards with the candy he was selling, he took the cards of maybe just a couple players to the store to hand out, and the rest somehow ended up untouched, and still bound together by player, in the attic of his house. I think the guy had two daughters who ended up with the house when he passed, and then when the last sister passed, other members of the family came in and found the cards in the attic. IIRC, there were just a very few players in the E98 set that were not included in the cards found in the attic, or there was only one or two of them. And thus, the speculation that the store owner/father had taken a couple of the stacks of player cards to the store to hand out, and then for whatever reason left, forgot, or took home the rest of the cards at/to his house, and then forgot about them.

BobbyStrawberry 02-22-2023 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2317074)
I believe the father of the woman who lived in the home had a small store back in the day, and speculation was that instead of handing out all the cards with the candy he was selling, he took the cards of maybe just a couple players to the store to hand out, and the rest somehow ended up untouched, and still bound together by player, in the attic of his house. I think the guy had two daughters who ended up with the house when he passed, and then when the last sister passed, other members of the family came in and found the cards in the attic. IIRC, there were just a very few players in the E98 set that were not included in the cards found in the attic, or there was only one or two of them. And thus, the speculation that the store owner/father had taken a couple of the stacks of player cards to the store to hand out, and then for whatever reason left, forgot, or took home the rest of the cards at/to his house, and then forgot about them.

Interesting story! Thanks, Bob.

parkplace33 02-22-2023 11:52 AM

I can tell you that a lot of E98 collectors were not thrilled when the black swamp find came out :(

BobC 02-22-2023 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by parkplace33 (Post 2317096)
I can tell you that a lot of E98 collectors were not thrilled when the black swamp find came out :(

Oh heck, of course not. Just think about how all those older E98 collectors that thought their PSA/SGC 3 and 4 and 5 graded cards were the highest ever graded, and then find out overnight there are now 15-20 cards of each player that just blow their cards away condition-wise. LOL I'm sure they were so pleased to see how the value of their formerly highest graded examples reacted to those new cards hitting the hobby.

But that is a risk that every collector has with their vintage/pre-war cards that are rare in either quantity or condition. Someone comes across a find and all of a sudden the supply side of the supply and demand equation gets a major upheaval. LOL It certainly doesn't happen often, but the Black Swamp find shows it can happen. Remember the even more recent Ty Cobb with the Ty Cobb King of the Tobacco World card find from back in 2016? A family ended up finding 8 of those cards, and IIRC before the find there were only a whopping 15 or so known to exist. That certainly had an impact on the supply side, and ultimate value, of those Ty Cobb cards.

gabrinus 02-22-2023 01:39 PM

Not thrilled
 
Took me about 20 years to put that set together and then some goobers find a bunch of pristine cards in an attic...definitely not thrilled...Jerry

fkm_bky 02-22-2023 01:43 PM

If I'm not mistaken, when he came to the message board to inquire about his find didn't he also have some rare colgan chips (like a Thorpe) as well. I know we all thought it was too good to be true and that there was something fishy about it. But...turns out it was all legit and then things got very exciting. My memory may not be totally accurate.

Bill

bnorth 02-22-2023 01:47 PM

Great thread.

How did the find affect the prices of the lower end cards and how has the prices changed on the new cards since the find to now?

x2drich2000 02-22-2023 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fkm_bky (Post 2317140)
If I'm not mistaken, when he came to the message board to inquire about his find didn't he also have some rare colgan chips (like a Thorpe) as well. I know we all thought it was too good to be true and that there was something fishy about it. But...turns out it was all legit and then things got very exciting. My memory may not be totally accurate.

Bill

Different find, I believe you're referring to the Skydash collection. https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=88092

fkm_bky 02-22-2023 02:13 PM

Ah...the famous "I mis-remembered"! Thanks for clarifying. That was an amazing find too!

Bill

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Originally Posted by x2drich2000 (Post 2317144)
Different find, I believe you're referring to the Skydash collection. https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=88092


BobC 02-22-2023 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by x2drich2000 (Post 2317144)
Different find, I believe you're referring to the Skydash collection. https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=88092

+1

I was thinking the same thing, the Skydash collection as well. The big difference with the Skydash find though was that it was a large number of single, different cards, across various sets. It didn't end up having the same overall effect on specific card issues like the Ty Cobb Tobacco and Black Swamp finds did as those were multiple cards of the exact same player(s) that significantly changed the total number of those cards in the marketplace. All three were great finds, but it is just that the Skydash find didn't have the same overall economic impact on certain cards of other collector's like the Ty Cobb and Black Swamp finds did.

BobC 02-22-2023 02:14 PM

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ullmandds 02-22-2023 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2317133)
Oh heck, of course not. Just think about how all those older E98 collectors that thought their PSA/SGC 3 and 4 and 5 graded cards were the highest ever graded, and then find out overnight there are now 15-20 cards of each player that just blow their cards away condition-wise. LOL I'm sure they were so pleased to see how the value of their formerly highest graded examples reacted to those new cards hitting the hobby.

But that is a risk that every collector has with their vintage/pre-war cards that are rare in either quantity or condition. Someone comes across a find and all of a sudden the supply side of the supply and demand equation gets a major upheaval. LOL It certainly doesn't happen often, but the Black Swamp find shows it can happen. Remember the even more recent Ty Cobb with the Ty Cobb King of the Tobacco World card find from back in 2016? A family ended up finding 8 of those cards, and IIRC before the find there were only a whopping 15 or so known to exist. That certainly had an impact on the supply side, and ultimate value, of those Ty Cobb cards.

i think the cobb/cobb find helped the values...not so with BSF.

JollyElm 02-22-2023 03:20 PM

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43. Black Swamp and Circumstance
The joy felt by obtaining a card that has its association with a noted collector or historical find stated right on the label.



And a pic fix for the OP...

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BobC 02-22-2023 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317163)
i think the cobb/cobb find helped the values...not so with BSF.

The initial publicity probably helped the values by making the card more well-known in the hobby at first. Kind of like the spike you normally see in card prices for players that just got elected to the HOF, or passed away. They usually return to norms pretty quickly afterwards. But in the long run, having more of a card generally results in lower values over the long haul as the law of supply and demand takes over.

Now if you really wanted to see the prices of those Ty Cobb King of the Tobacco World cards skyrocket, and stay in the stratosphere, get the hobby, and especially a TPG (preferably one with a registry), to now consider and recognize those Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb back cards as a legitimate part of the T206 set. There's what, 60-70 supposedly known T206 Wagner cards still in existence. And now you'd be talking about what would arguably be the rarest card back in the T206 set with only about 23 known examples existing. Could only imagine what that would do to those card's value.

swarmee 02-22-2023 07:40 PM

You can learn all you want to on the episode from the show Strange Inheritance. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4391122/

Very likely you can find it on a streaming service or it will pop up on MSNBC or something.

Rad_Hazard 02-22-2023 09:23 PM

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The BSF ones look so odd to me in amazing condition, like reprints almost, although I know they are not.

I picked up a Bad Bill recently, but I wanted to make sure it was a beater.

Gorditadogg 02-22-2023 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 2317241)
You can learn all you want to on the episode from the show Strange Inheritance. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4391122/



Very likely you can find it on a streaming service or it will pop up on MSNBC or something.

Great episode.

Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk

Schlesinj 02-22-2023 11:23 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FuY9Lof6Z44

brianp-beme 02-23-2023 12:29 AM

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I also found it on Tubi. It is the first episode of the first season of the show Strange Inheritance...what a way to jumpstart a show.

The episode states 800 cards were involved. Is this the total amount that was supposedly sold from the find, or the overall amount of cards in the find? The episode mentions that some of the 20 or so relatives involved decided to keep their portion of the find (at the time of the episode, which was 2015). And I remember hearing conjecture that there was even more that was not put up for sale, which a previous poster has alluded to.

Brian

brianp-beme 02-23-2023 12:36 AM

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What Black Swamp E98 cards should look like (as if they got fished out of a Black Swamp instead of being plucked from a Bank Vault).

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ullmandds 02-23-2023 05:57 AM

honestly after reading all the comments some questions have been raised in my head.

-was the owner of this find a distributor for a region or something to have so many of these???? And the majority red? Where are the rest of the colors????

-maybe he had a relationship with the printer? was he the printer??

BobC 02-23-2023 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317311)
honestly after reading all the comments some questions have been raised in my head.

-was the owner of this find a distributor for a region or something to have so many of these???? And the majority red? Where are the rest of the colors????

-maybe he had a relationship with the printer? was he the printer??

My understanding is no, he was just the owner of a small meat market store and that the cards were supposed to be handed/given out with something being sold, like candy maybe, or some other item as a type of promotion for the store. The E-98 cards are known as an anonymous set as no one today is 100% certain as to exactly who produced them, or what product or item they were tied to and supposed to be given out with. I just said cany earlier as the set is designated as an "E" set, supposedly linked to a candy issue. There are some of these cards with the extremely rare "Old Put 5 ct. Cigar" stamps on back, but those are not necessarily the main thing these cards were created for, and likely thought to have been used by someone to promote their own product or a different product by stamping the backs of these E98 cards they somehow got a hold of. Here's a story from the Old Cardboard Newsletter about the find from Issue #99, July 2012, Item #4.

https://www.oldcardboard.com/eNews/2.../eNews99.htm#4

Belfast1933 02-23-2023 08:34 AM

Net54 never disappoints…. The background and links are amazing, thx all.

Now I just have to decide if I want to keep my Bres since it gives me a cool story to tell my “man cave” guests when they tour my card space.

It’s not a super valuable card anyway - but it’s oh so pretty!

Thx again (and thx for flipping my Cooperstown photo right side up, Jolly!)

Jeff (OP) - Belfast 1933

PS, I started another thread recently about possibly starting a “Vintage Baseball Collector” podcast soon… this would be a fun topic to cover! Anyone want to volunteer to join as subject matter experts for that episode?

I may try and get this up and going on the next month, maybe sooner

G1911 02-23-2023 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317311)
honestly after reading all the comments some questions have been raised in my head.

-was the owner of this find a distributor for a region or something to have so many of these???? And the majority red? Where are the rest of the colors????

-maybe he had a relationship with the printer? was he the printer??

Old cards were generally printed and distributed in quantity with product sales. If the intent was to hand out with purchases at a store, which appears to be the case, it makes sense that there are several hundred or more. The surviving population known in the hobby today is a tiny minority of the original production. Color distribution in E98 is a mystery but that there are a lot of cards sent to a store isn’t weird or means they have some special relationship with the producer or made them themselves or is a huge distributor.

ullmandds 02-23-2023 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2317370)
Old cards were generally printed and distributed in quantity with product sales. If the intent was to hand out with purchases at a store, which appears to be the case, it makes sense that there are several hundred or more. The surviving population known in the hobby today is a tiny minority of the original production. Color distribution in E98 is a mystery but that there are a lot of cards sent to a store isn’t weird or means they have some special relationship with the producer or made them themselves or is a huge distributor.

we're talking potentially well over 1000 e98 cards...mostly red. This seems like an awfully large # of cards to me?

Lorewalker 02-23-2023 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317372)
we're talking potentially well over 1000 e98 cards...mostly red. This seems like an awfully large # of cards to me?

LOL Yes!!! If there were more than 1400 cards in this find that is quite a lot for a small local meat market. We are not talking about a Walmart or Target in large heavily populated city but a specialized business is a small community. If he had 50 on hand that would be a large number left over.

Leon 02-23-2023 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317372)
we're talking potentially well over 1000 e98 cards...mostly red. This seems like an awfully large # of cards to me?

My gut tells me there were closer to 1500 cards but I have no exact number. I met most of the family, at the National, when they were being sold. I think I saved about 20 seats for them at the Net54baseball dinner that year, but only a few came to it. Very nice folks, as I recall.
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BobC 02-23-2023 10:13 AM

The stories always refer to about 700 or so cards that were found. Of the stacks of cards that were still wrapped, there were usually about 20-25 cards in each stack for each player that were found. If there are 30 players in the set, 30 X 20-25 cards of each player equals about the same 700 or so cards that all the stories say was found. Where are you guys getting this 1,000 to 1,500 number from?

And as for the cards being found in the Black Swamp find primarily having red backgrounds, that also makes sense as whoever made them probably printed all the cards with red backgrounds at the same time, and then switched the ink to do the green backgrounds all at once, and so on. So when they bundled up a bunch of cards to send to someone to distribute, they probably created stacks of about 20-25 cards per player, all from the same red background batch. And I'll bet they did the same thing when sending out these cards to others after switching background colors. It is likely that getting different color backgrounds on these cards was dependent on where they were distributed then. Back then, whoever was making these cards probably couldn't have cared less about making sure that people had access to all the different background colors they ended up using.

G1911 02-23-2023 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317372)
we're talking potentially well over 1000 e98 cards...mostly red. This seems like an awfully large # of cards to me?

As I said, it’s context. If it’s a promotional tool for a store, handing out cards with purchases, 1,000 cards isn’t a weird amount that is going to last all that long. Let’s say they hand them out for 3 months only even. That’s 11 cards a day. 1,000 cards is nothing in 1910. The tobacco sets had print runs into the tens of millions according to Fullgraff’s notes, and those aren’t even the biggest sets.

It is a lot of cards in the context of today, where the vast majority of copies haven’t survived. It’s not a lot for a store to have in ~1910, which appears to be the origin. We should not mistake surviving quantities today with quantities then.

ullmandds 02-23-2023 10:18 AM

i think some of y'all are making assumptions that cannot be substantiated.

G1911 02-23-2023 10:21 AM

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i think some of y'all are making assumptions that cannot be substantiated.

Which one?

Casey2296 02-23-2023 10:24 AM

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My understanding is no, he was just the owner of a small meat market store and that the cards were supposed to be handed/given out with something being sold, like candy maybe, or some other item as a type of promotion for the store. The E-98 cards are known as an anonymous set as no one today is 100% certain as to exactly who produced them, or what product or item they were tied to and supposed to be given out with. I just said cany earlier as the set is designated as an "E" set, supposedly linked to a candy issue. There are some of these cards with the extremely rare "Old Put 5 ct. Cigar" stamps on back, but those are not necessarily the main thing these cards were created for, and likely thought to have been used by someone to promote their own product or a different product by stamping the backs of these E98 cards they somehow got a hold of. Here's a story from the Old Cardboard Newsletter about the find from Issue #99, July 2012, Item #4.

https://www.oldcardboard.com/eNews/2.../eNews99.htm#4

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Definitely and E-card set, agree the "Old Puts" were an individual store stamping at some point.
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ullmandds 02-23-2023 10:28 AM

my point is based on the surviving pop of graded e98 around the time of the BSF...the find practically doubled the pop of e98's.

Caramel cards are rare...and were likely printed in much smaller numbers than something like t206.


i believe the BSF contributed an extraordinarily large number of cards to the pop...most of the same color.

This is peculiar.

This is my point. I believe BOB is incorrect in his estimation of 25 examples/card. I remember more like close to 50 each of cobb and wagner.
And I believe 1000+ cards for one store is an extraordinarily large #. If every store got this quantity of cards...there'd be a ton more surviving examples for sure.

just my opinion.

Lorewalker 02-23-2023 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317397)
my point is based on the surviving pop of graded e98 around the time of the BSF...the find practically doubled the pop of e98's.

Caramel cards are rare...and were likely printed in much smaller numbers than something like t206.


i believe the BSF contributed an extraordinarily large number of cards to the pop...most of the same color.

This is peculiar.

This is my point. I believe BOB is incorrect in his estimation of 25 examples/card. I remember more like close to 50 each of cobb and wagner.
And I believe 1000+ cards for one store is an extraordinarily large #. If every store got this quantity of cards...there'd be a ton more surviving examples for sure.

just my opinion.

The population for graded E98s more than doubled since 2012. I posted the numbers even if you account for cards being resubmitted. There were more than 1400 cards in this find. We all know what Heritage graded. And I know someone who had been offered, and essentially passed on, the cards which the other family members held back.

I too think it is absurd to think that a local meat market in a small community would have been given that many cards to hand out. They would have been handing them out well past the retirement of most of those players.

More likely that the owner ended up with them sometime after 1910 by the printer or distributor who had these sitting around in storage.

edhans 02-23-2023 11:11 AM

Re: Black Swamp Find? Tell me more!
 
My recollections: The vast majority of the cards were red backgrounds. The only other color in the find was green. There were no Walsh's and only one Mathewson. All other players were well represented. They were found in stacks of 22 cards, with, of course, multiple stacks of the other 28 players.

ullmandds 02-23-2023 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by edhans (Post 2317407)
My recollections: The vast majority of the cards were red backgrounds. The only other color in the find was green. There were no Walsh's and only one Mathewson. All other players were well represented. They were found in stacks of 22 cards, with, of course, multiple stacks of the other 28 players.

Jennings was underrepresented as well.

G1911 02-23-2023 11:36 AM

Not a single person is disputing whatsoever that the find drastically increased the surviving number of cards. Pretty much every poster has said this, including me.

I don't know why we would expect a retailer, using the cards as a promotional tool in the middle of a fad for that exact tool (as the primary sources tell us), would order a quantity that would allow them to hand out 1 or 2 at most in a day. We can't know a hand out rate that business had, but the entire point of cards at this time was to use as a promotional tool. It would seem to be counterproductive to place orders of such a tool that would not allow much distribution to customers. A meat market in 1910 still needs customers to survive. It is possible the family guess is wrong and a relative acquired them years later from some other source for unknown reason, but I don't see how to arrive at that as the deductive probability. Perhaps I am missing an element.

We have actual production figures for other sets of this period that very strongly suggest a minuscule survival rate, not a large one.

ullmandds 02-23-2023 11:44 AM

We have actual production figures for other sets of this period that very strongly suggest a minuscule survival rate, not a large one.[/QUOTE]

We do? Which sets?

G1911 02-23-2023 11:56 AM

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We have actual production figures for other sets of this period that very strongly suggest a minuscule survival rate, not a large one.

We do? Which sets?[/QUOTE]

Yes. We do. A book kept by Frank Fullgraff, a project manager running at least a portion of the ATC card projects and working directly for the Brett Lithographing firm and possible the ALC and ATC as well, contains printing counts for a number of 1910 card sets. It is possible that these are not complete and even more millions were printed at other lithographing locations (it seems likely for some of these sets, comparing the figures). This one location, Brett Lithography, produced hundreds of millions of cards in 1910 alone and doesn't account for even half of the 1910 T sets.

Casey2296 02-23-2023 11:58 AM

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Jennings was underrepresented as well.

And Lajoie

Leon 02-23-2023 12:32 PM

40 million fish cards!!

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2317423)

Yes. We do. A book kept by Frank Fullgraff, a project manager running at least a portion of the ATC card projects and working directly for the Brett Lithographing firm and possible the ALC and ATC as well, contains printing counts for a number of 1910 card sets. It is possible that these are not complete and even more millions were printed at other lithographing locations (it seems likely for some of these sets, comparing the figures). This one location, Brett Lithography, produced hundreds of millions of cards in 1910 alone and doesn't account for even half of the 1910 T sets.



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brianp-beme 02-23-2023 12:36 PM

Post # 102 from this thread https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=152726&page=2 lists the 750 that got graded by PSA back in 2012. Pasted below is that list, just so I can say I posted a really long post.

Brian

Default Card Target Cert Run Results.... MAMAMIA!!
19871692 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871693 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871694 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint 7
19871695 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871696 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871697 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871698 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871699 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871700 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871701 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871702 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871703 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871704 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871705 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871706 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871707 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871708 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871709 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871710 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871711 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871712 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871713 1910 e98 set of 30 frank chance black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871714 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871715 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint 7
19871716 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871717 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871718 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871719 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871720 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871721 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871722 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871723 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871724 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871725 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871726 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find mint 9
19871727 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871728 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871729 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871730 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871731 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871732 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871733 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871734 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871735 1910 e98 set of 30 hippo vaughn black swamp find excellent 5
19871736 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find very good-excellent+ 4.5
19871737 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871738 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find excellent-mint 6
19871739 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint+ 8.5
19871740 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint+ 8.5
19871741 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871742 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871743 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871744 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find good+ 2.5
19871745 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871746 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871747 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871748 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint 7
19871749 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find good+ 2.5
19871750 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871751 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find gem mint 10
19871752 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871753 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871754 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint 7
19871755 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint 7
19871756 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint 7
19871757 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint 7
19871758 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint 7
19871759 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint 7
19871760 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint 7
19871761 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint 7
19871760 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871761 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871762 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871763 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND GOOD+ 2.5
19871764 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871765 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871766 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871767 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19871768 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND GOOD+ 2.5
19871769 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871770 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871771 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HANS WAGNER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871772 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint 7
19871773 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find mint 9
19871774 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find mint 9
19871775 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find good+ 2.5
19871776 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint+ 8.5
19871777 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find mint 9
19871778 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find mint 9
19871779 1910 e98 set of 30 hans wagner black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871780 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find excellent-mint 6
19871781 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find near mint 7
19871782 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find near mint-mint 8
19871783 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find excellent-mint 6
19871784 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find near mint 7
19871785 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find near mint 7
19871786 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find excellent-mint+ 6.5
19871787 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find near mint 7
19871788 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find near mint 7
19871789 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find near mint 7
19871790 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find near mint 7
19871791 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find near mint 7
19871792 1910 e98 set of 30 roger bresnahan black swamp find near mint 7
19871793 1910 E98 SET OF 30 ROGER BRESNAHAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871794 1910 E98 SET OF 30 ROGER BRESNAHAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871795 1910 E98 SET OF 30 ROGER BRESNAHAN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19871796 1910 E98 SET OF 30 ROGER BRESNAHAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871797 1910 E98 SET OF 30 ROGER BRESNAHAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871798 1910 E98 SET OF 30 ROGER BRESNAHAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871799 1910 E98 SET OF 30 ROGER BRESNAHAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871800 1910 E98 SET OF 30 ROGER BRESNAHAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871801 1910 E98 SET OF 30 ROGER BRESNAHAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871802 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871803 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871804 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871805 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871806 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871807 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871808 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871809 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871810 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871811 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871812 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871813 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT+ 5.5
19871814 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871815 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871816 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871817 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871818 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871819 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871820 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871821 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871822 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871823 1910 E98 SET OF 30 EDDIE COLLINS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871824 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871825 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871826 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871827 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871828 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871829 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19871830 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871831 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19871832 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871833 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871834 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871835 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871836 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871837 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871838 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871839 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871840 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871841 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871842 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871843 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871844 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871845 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CONNIE MACK BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871846 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19871847 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND GOOD+ 2.5
19871848 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19871849 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19871850 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19871851 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND GOOD+ 2.5
19871852 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19871853 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19871854 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19871855 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19871856 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19871857 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19871858 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19871859 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND GOOD+ 2.5
19871860 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19871861 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871862 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19871863 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871864 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19871865 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19871866 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19871867 1910 E98 SET OF 30 BILL DAHLEN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871868 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871869 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871870 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871871 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871872 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871873 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871874 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871875 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871876 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871877 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19871878 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871879 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871880 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871881 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19871882 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871883 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871884 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871885 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871886 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4
19871887 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871888 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19871889 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT+ 7.5
19871890 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871891 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871892 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871893 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871894 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871895 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871896 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871897 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871898 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19871899 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19871900 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19871901 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19871902 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871903 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871904 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871905 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871906 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871907 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871908 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871909 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871910 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871911 1910 E98 SET OF 30 LARRY McLEAN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871912 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871913 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871914 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871915 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871916 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871917 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871918 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871919 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871920 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871921 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871922 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871923 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871924 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19871925 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871926 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871927 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871928 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19871929 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871930 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871931 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871932 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19871933 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 MC
19871934 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871935 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871936 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871937 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871938 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871939 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871940 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871941 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871942 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871943 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871944 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871945 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19871946 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19871947 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871948 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19871949 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871950 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19871951 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871952 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871953 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871954 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871955 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED TENNY BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871956 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5
19871957 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871958 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871959 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871960 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871961 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871962 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871963 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871964 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871965 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871966 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871967 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871968 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871969 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871970 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871971 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871972 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871973 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871974 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871975 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871976 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871977 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JACK COOMBS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19871978 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOE TINKER BLACK SWAMP FIND GOOD 2
19871979 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HUGHEY JENNINGS BLACK SWAMP FIND FAIR 1.5
19871980 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHRISTY MATHEWSON BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6 MC
19871981 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871982 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871983 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871984 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871985 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871986 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871987 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871988 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871989 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871990 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871991 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871992 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871993 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871994 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871995 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871996 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871997 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871998 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19871999 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872000 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872001 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872002 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872003 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872004 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872005 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5
19872006 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872007 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872008 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872009 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872010 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872011 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872012 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872013 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872014 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872015 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872016 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872017 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872018 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872019 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872020 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872021 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872022 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872023 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872024 1910 E98 SET OF 30 MINER BROWN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872025 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872026 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872027 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872028 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872029 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872030 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872031 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872032 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872033 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872034 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872035 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872036 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872037 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872038 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872039 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872040 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872041 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872042 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872043 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872044 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872045 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872046 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872047 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872048 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872049 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872050 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872051 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872052 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872053 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872054 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872055 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872056 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872057 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872058 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872059 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872060 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872061 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872062 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872063 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872064 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872065 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872066 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872067 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872068 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHN McGRAW BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872069 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872070 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872071 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872072 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872073 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872074 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872075 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872076 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872077 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872078 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872079 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872080 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872081 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872082 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872083 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872084 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872085 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872086 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872087 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872088 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872089 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872090 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF BENDER BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872091 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872092 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872093 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872094 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872095 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872096 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872097 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872098 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872099 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872100 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872101 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872102 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872103 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872104 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872105 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872106 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872107 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872108 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872109 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872110 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872111 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872112 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872113 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872114 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872115 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872116 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872117 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872118 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872119 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872120 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872121 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872122 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872123 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872124 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872125 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872126 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872127 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872128 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872129 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872130 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872131 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872132 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872133 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872134 1910 E98 SET OF 30 GEORGE MULLIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872135 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872136 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872137 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872138 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872139 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872140 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872141 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND GEM MINT 10
19872142 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872143 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872144 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872145 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872146 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872147 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND GEM MINT 10
19872148 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872149 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872150 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872151 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872152 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872153 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872154 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872155 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872156 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CHIEF MEYERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT+ 7.5
19872157 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872158 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872159 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872160 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872161 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872162 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872163 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872164 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872165 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872166 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872167 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872168 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872169 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872170 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872171 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872172 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872173 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872174 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872175 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872176 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872177 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872178 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872179 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872180 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT 5
19872181 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872182 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872183 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872184 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872185 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872186 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872187 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872188 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872189 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872190 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872191 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872192 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872193 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872194 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872195 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872196 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872197 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872198 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872199 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872200 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HARRY DAVIS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872201 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872202 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872203 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872204 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872205 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872206 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872207 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872208 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872209 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872210 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872211 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872212 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872213 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872214 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872215 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872216 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872217 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872218 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872219 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872220 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872221 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872222 1910 E98 SET OF 30 HAL CHASE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872223 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872224 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872225 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872226 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872227 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872228 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872229 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872230 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872231 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872232 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872233 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872234 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872235 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872236 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872237 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872238 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872239 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872240 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872241 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872242 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872243 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872244 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872245 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872246 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872247 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872248 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872249 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872250 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872251 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872252 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872253 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872254 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872255 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872256 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872257 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872258 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872259 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872260 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872261 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872262 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872263 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872264 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872265 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872266 1910 E98 SET OF 30 AL BRIDWELL BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872267 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872268 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872269 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872270 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872271 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872272 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872273 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872274 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872275 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872276 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872277 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872278 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872279 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872280 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872281 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872282 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872283 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872284 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872285 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872286 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872287 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872288 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RUSS FORD BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872289 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872290 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872291 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872292 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872293 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872294 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872295 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872296 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872297 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872298 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872299 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872300 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872301 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872302 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872303 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872304 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872305 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872306 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872307 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872308 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872309 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872310 1910 E98 SET OF 30 FRED CLARKE BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872311 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872312 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872313 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872314 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND GEM MINT 10
19872315 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872316 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872317 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT+ 7.5
19872318 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872319 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872320 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872321 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872322 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872323 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872324 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872325 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872326 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872327 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872328 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872329 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872330 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872331 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872332 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY KLING BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872333 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872334 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872335 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872336 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872337 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872338 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872339 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872340 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872341 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872342 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872343 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872344 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872345 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872346 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872347 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872348 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872349 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872350 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872351 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872352 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872353 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872354 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872355 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872356 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872357 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872358 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872359 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872360 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872361 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872362 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872363 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9 OC
19872364 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872365 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872366 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872367 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872368 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872369 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872370 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872371 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872372 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872373 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872374 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872375 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872376 1910 E98 SET OF 30 CY YOUNG (IRV YOUNG) BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872377 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872378 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872379 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872380 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872381 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872382 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872383 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872384 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872385 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872386 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872387 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872388 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872389 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872390 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872391 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872392 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872393 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872394 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872395 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5
19872396 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872397 1910 E98 SET OF 30 TY COBB BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872398 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872399 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872400 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872401 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872402 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872403 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872404 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872405 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872406 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872407 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872408 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872409 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872410 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872411 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872412 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND EXCELLENT-MINT 6
19872413 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872414 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872415 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872416 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872417 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872418 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872419 1910 E98 SET OF 30 RED DOOIN BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT 7
19872420 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872421 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872422 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872423 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872424 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872425 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872426 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872427 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872428 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872429 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND MINT 9
19872430 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872431 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872432 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872433 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872434 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872435 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872436 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872437 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872438 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872439 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8
19872440 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT+ 7.5
19872441 1910 E98 SET OF 30 JOHNNY EVERS BLACK SWAMP FIND NEAR MINT-MINT 8

G1911 02-23-2023 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 2317437)
40 million fish cards!!

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And that’s only the first series!

Gorditadogg 02-23-2023 01:05 PM

Brian, this is not official, but I think you just beat BobC's record for longest post.

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ullmandds 02-23-2023 01:42 PM

interesting but the production numbers are still pure conjecture. there appears to be an endless supply of fish and flags of all nations cards...but not so many baseball caramel cards. I can't imagine the fish/flags were so precious they survived the paper drives/extinction over baseball cards?

comparing non sport tobacco production to caramel baseball is apples to oranges imho.

BobC 02-23-2023 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317397)
my point is based on the surviving pop of graded e98 around the time of the BSF...the find practically doubled the pop of e98's.

Caramel cards are rare...and were likely printed in much smaller numbers than something like t206.


i believe the BSF contributed an extraordinarily large number of cards to the pop...most of the same color.

This is peculiar.

This is my point. I believe BOB is incorrect in his estimation of 25 examples/card. I remember more like close to 50 each of cobb and wagner.
And I believe 1000+ cards for one store is an extraordinarily large #. If every store got this quantity of cards...there'd be a ton more surviving examples for sure.

just my opinion.

Pete,

As Edhans said, he heard about 22 per player, right in line with what I had said, about 20-25 per player. All the stories I had seen were talking around 700 or so cards being found, which makes perfect sense when you take the 30 players in the set, less the couple/few that appear to have either been taken to this guy's store and actually distributed/given away, or were for whatever reason not included in the player cards originally given him. You end up with about 27-28 players X 20-25 cards per each, which get you close to that 700+ figure. And maybe there were a couple players with two stacks, so they did have closer to 50 cards, but the large majority of the players in the set that were in this find would have only been in that 20-25 cards per player range, as I said. Having a couple/few players with maybe a second stack of cards in the find gets you even closer to the 700+ or so cards estimated in the stories, but would only be the case for a very few of the players, at most. So the 20-25 cards per player I mentioned is likely accurate for the majority of the players after all.

And then go back to the Strange Inheritance TV show episode, where they actually have the people who originally found the cards on and talking about them. The show host actually mentioned them finding about 800 cards in total in the find, more than once, during the show. Why would a TV show, that has the actual parties that found the cards and who are directly contributing to the show, be giving an incorrect total for the number of cards actually found? I had seen the episode years ago, which showed how the cards of individual players were wrapped in twine or string. You can see from the recreation that there is probably about 20-25 cards or so in each stack or group that were found. There were about 20 or so cousins that all shared in the collection as well, and when it was discussed among everyone what to do with the cards, they decided to split them up in what I guess were equal lots, and then let each of the cousins decide what they wanted to do with their lot. Apparently not every cousin decided right then and there to sell their portion of the cards. Those that did combined and sent their cards off to Heritage to then do a structured sale so as to not completely flood the market all at once. And Pete Calderon at Heritage had Joe Orlando and PSA grade the cards they were given before selling them for the heirs. Those that did not take part in the sale supposedly kept their cards and didn't send them right off to Heritage, and subsequent grading by PSA. I've never heard what actually happened with those cards supposedly kept by some of the cousins. For all I know, they've since been sold/graded, but maybe some are actually still in the hands of a cousin or two. I've assumed that the people and stories I used to hear/read talking about there being 600-700 or so cards in the Find were referring to the cards of the cousins that decided to go ahead and sell right from the beginning through Heritage. That makes perfect sense then if you figure that if the entire find had about 800 cards, each cousin's share would be about 30-40 cards. So, if 2, 3, or 4 of the cousins decided not to sell their cards right away, and kept them instead, that easily gets the 800 or so mentioned as the total Find in the Strange Inheritance TV show down to the 600-700 often mentioned in stories and reports. But nowhere does anyone ever mention there were 1000-1500 cards in this find. So once again I ask, for those that are now saying there was 1000-1500 in this find, where the heck did any of you hear or see that?

Also, as had been mentioned before, stories like this get people's attention in the hobby. Hearing about this find, and the attention it triggered, could also get people that had raw versions of these E98 cards to suddenly start getting them graded as well, to possibly jump in and take advantage of the attention this set was now getting. Just look at the prices these cards were getting, as shown in the Strange Inheritance TV show story. Isn't this exactly what is at times talked about here on the forum how when a card(s) suddenly goes for a big price, it gets other collectors excited and tends to bring similar cards out of the woodwork as others look to now cash in as well? And as some others also mentioned, it is extremely probable that the number of graded E98 cards per population reports are inflated due to various reasons. And also, as was mentioned in different articles and on the TV show, prior to the Black Swamp Find there were no E98 cards graded higher than a 7, and most all the Black Swamp cards were described as being in better condition than that. Well, if you look at the PSA and SGC population reports today, they show a total of 202 E98 cards graded higher than a 7 by SGC, and 704 E98 cards graded higher than a 7 by PSA. That comes to 906 in total between them. And though not in existence until just a couple years back, CSG's population report shows 17 E98 cards have been graded by them that rate higher than a 7, bringing the grand total up to 923 E98s currently graded better than NM 7. And as some have talked about those figures being inflated due to crossovers, wanting to remove the "Black Swamp Find" designation from the flips, and who knows how many some card doctors may have gotten a hold of for resubmission. And there is also the distinct possibility there actually could have been some pristine E98 cards that were raw and in collector's hands, but unknown to the hobby at large prior to the Find, that were brought out into the hobby because of the publicity the Black Swamp Find created. In other words, the 923 figure for graded E98 cards higher than a 7 grade doesn't really seem to be out of line with there having been about 700-800 cards in the Black Swamp Find after all, assuming there are some inflated population report numbers for these graded E98s after all.

If you have or know of other information, articles, data or logical explanations as to there being 1000-1500 of these cards in the Black Swamp Find after all, would love to see/hear it/them.

G1911 02-23-2023 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2317465)
interesting but the production numbers are still pure conjecture. there appears to be an endless supply of fish and flags of all nations cards...but not so many baseball caramel cards. I can't imagine the fish/flags were so precious they survived the paper drives/extinction over baseball cards?

comparing non sport tobacco production to caramel baseball is apples to oranges imho.

None of them were precious or had any value, though the baseball appear to have been the most popular according to the press. This is not for E98 (and never was alleged to be), but cards were flooded everywhere in extremely high quantity in 1910. A tiny, tiny percentage survive by any evidence that I am aware of. I will take non-baseball production figures vs. surviving cards as a better logical guide than no data points at all. I’d love to see any evidence supporting high survival rates for baseball and only baseball pictures from this period. The survival for tobacco pictures appears to be minuscule, I can’t see why we would deduce that caramels survived in high rates.

Lorewalker 02-23-2023 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2317480)
But nowhere does anyone ever mention there were 1000-1500 cards in this find. So once again I ask, for those that are now saying there was 1000-1500 in this find, where the heck did any of you hear or see that?

If you have or know of other information, articles, data or logical explanations as to there being 1000-1500 of these cards in the Black Swamp Find after all, would love to see/hear it/them.

Hi Bob,

As I have posted twice, there were more cards in the find than what was disclosed by anyone giving interviews. The part of the family who sold initially opted to have Heritage let the hobby know up front how many cards were available for sale rather than have Heritage submit these slowly over the years. Maybe the other family members preferred to have the cards as opposed to the money and 7 years later changed their minds???

Clearly looking at the population reports in 2023 on the E98 set with SGC and PSA numbers have blown up showing 4,000 cards graded and even if we decide that cards were submitted more than once and/or possibly broken out of one holder and sent to the other grading service, that still adds up to a lot more than the original find as being the only cards from the find. If PSA had graded 628 E98s up until the find, let's say SGC had graded 700. That leaves roughly 2,700 E98s submitted between 2012 and 2023. If 750 of those were from Heritage that leaves roughly 2,000 more E98s to go to those TPGers.

I had great interest in the find because I was hoping to add the lower graded Hall of Famers from the find to my own collection. One interview did include a vague reference that could have been interpreted two different ways suggesting there might be more cards. Nobody followed up on it or maybe they tried and it was shutdown because the focus was on what Heritage was bringing to auction.

It is really not my place to go into details but I spoke with the dealer who was initially part of the deal buying out the back half of the collection and his words to me were that there was a larger quantity of cards in the back half of the collection than in the portion which Heritage offered for sale.

BobC 02-23-2023 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2317558)
Hi Bob,

As I have posted twice, there were more cards in the find than what was disclosed by anyone giving interviews. The part of the family who sold initially opted to have Heritage let the hobby know up front how many cards were available for sale rather than have Heritage submit these slowly over the years. Maybe the other family members preferred to have the cards as opposed to the money and 7 years later changed their minds???

Clearly looking at the population reports in 2023 on the E98 set with SGC and PSA numbers have blown up showing 4,000 cards graded and even if we decide that cards were submitted more than once and/or possibly broken out of one holder and sent to the other grading service, that still adds up to a lot more than the original find as being the only cards from the find. If PSA had graded 628 E98s up until the find, let's say SGC had graded 700. That leaves roughly 2,700 E98s submitted between 2012 and 2023. If 750 of those were from Heritage that leaves roughly 2,000 more E98s to go to those TPGers.

I had great interest in the find because I was hoping to add the lower graded Hall of Famers from the find to my own collection. One interview did include a vague reference that could have been interpreted two different ways suggesting there might be more cards. Nobody followed up on it or maybe they tried and it was shutdown because the focus was on what Heritage was bringing to auction.

It is really not my place to go into details but I spoke with the dealer who was initially part of the deal buying out the back half of the collection and his words to me were that there was a larger quantity of cards in the back half of the collection than in the portion which Heritage offered for sale.

Okay, so you're saying there were way more cards, but pretty much everyone kept it secret as to how many there were, and are still doing it for the most part, despite there now really being no reason to not come out with the truth? And you're also saying that the stories about all these cards from the Find being pretty much pristine and in great condition is not true either? Otherwise, shouldn't there be way more E98 graded cards today in the 8-9-10 grades?

I don't doubt what you're telling the truth as you know it, but why all the friggin' secrecy? If the family that inherited the cards were so worried about possibly killing the market for them if they were all released at once, then why did they release the nicest condition cards first? If someone were sitting on that big of a collection, wouldn't it make more sense to want to slowly start and release some of the lower condition cards first? If the previous highest graded E98 cards ever graded had only been 7s, release some of the cards that were in the 5-6-7 range first. People would pay top dollar for those cards as they were close to the known highest condition E98 cards out there at that time. And then slowly in the coming months/years, progressively release some of the nicer and nicer cards as you go along, and try to hold onto the 9s and 10s till the last. Here's a case where going to someone like Heritage probably works against you. Despite them saying they were releasing these cards over time to maximize income to the family, I think it was more of Heritage wanting to get the word out about these cards and maximize money for themselves, in a short time frame. Of course, members of the family could have easily gone along and wanted to quickly max out what money they could receive from this inheritance as well, and that does make perfect sense and help justify what I think was otherwise maybe bad advice from Heritage on how to handle this Find. But is still doesn't even begin to explain why no one would eventually mention how many cards there really were in this Find then, unless that was part of the hold back and delay releasing them into the hobby tactic, to hopefully maximize and get even more money by spreading out the release of the cards and not letting people know how many there truly were. But again, if you're using that logic and thinking, why sell all the higher condition cards first? If someone just sold a couple first ever seen E98s graded 8, and they bring in record prices for E98 cards, just think what a couple 9s would then bring in the following year or so.

But you're certain that there were a lot more E98 cards in the find, and that there was a different dealer involved in buying a good chunk of the balance of the Find from the family. Okay, but the fact that I've never heard or seen anything about this before in any published articles or stories, and even you are hesitant to name the dealer involved in this so-called sale/purchase, just makes the whole thing seem really sketchy. You're basically saying to just believe the story on almost pure faith, with the only potential evidence to help support the claim being the number of E98 cards that are now graded. Even though the increased number of E98 cards being graded after the Black Swamp Find could also possibly be attributed to more people getting their E98 cards graded following the buzz and excitement of the Black Swamp Find, likely aided by many people now looking to possibly cash in on the prices these new to market E98s were bringing in, as well as just the natural increase/addition to the number of E98 cards that would have been sent in for grading anyway. It's not like people aren't constantly submitting other never before graded pre-war cards during this past decade or so either. I can see the underlying logic to the argument, but without really knowing the accurate number of E98 cards that were in the Black Swamp Find, and why there seems to be so much secrecy still around that, it is somewhat hard to solely attribute the graded card increase to primarily the Black Swamp Find alone. Something doesn't smell right, there shouldn't be all this secrecy about the number of cards in the Find, at least it hasn't been necessary for any reason I can think of for quite a few years now. Like ai said, I don't doubt you at all, but something still doesn't make sense to me. Oh well.

Lorewalker 02-23-2023 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2317588)
Okay, so you're saying there were way more cards, but pretty much everyone kept it secret as to how many there were, and are still doing it for the most part, despite there now really being no reason to not come out with the truth? And you're also saying that the stories about all these cards from the Find being pretty much pristine and in great condition is not true either? Otherwise, shouldn't there be way more E98 graded cards today in the 8-9-10 grades?

I don't doubt what you're telling the truth as you know it, but why all the friggin' secrecy? If the family that inherited the cards were so worried about possibly killing the market for them if they were all released at once, then why did they release the nicest condition cards first? If someone were sitting on that big of a collection, wouldn't it make more sense to want to slowly start and release some of the lower condition cards first? If the previous highest graded E98 cards ever graded had only been 7s, release some of the cards that were in the 5-6-7 range first. People would pay top dollar for those cards as they were close to the known highest condition E98 cards out there at that time. And then slowly in the coming months/years, progressively release some of the nicer and nicer cards as you go along, and try to hold onto the 9s and 10s till the last. Here's a case where going to someone like Heritage probably works against you. Despite them saying they were releasing these cards over time to maximize income to the family, I think it was more of Heritage wanting to get the word out about these cards and maximize money for themselves, in a short time frame. Of course, members of the family could have easily gone along and wanted to quickly max out what money they could receive from this inheritance as well, and that does make perfect sense and help justify what I think was otherwise maybe bad advice from Heritage on how to handle this Find. But is still doesn't even begin to explain why no one would eventually mention how many cards there really were in this Find then, unless that was part of the hold back and delay releasing them into the hobby tactic, to hopefully maximize and get even more money by spreading out the release of the cards and not letting people know how many there truly were. But again, if you're using that logic and thinking, why sell all the higher condition cards first? If someone just sold a couple first ever seen E98s graded 8, and they bring in record prices for E98 cards, just think what a couple 9s would then bring in the following year or so.

But you're certain that there were a lot more E98 cards in the find, and that there was a different dealer involved in buying a good chunk of the balance of the Find from the family. Okay, but the fact that I've never heard or seen anything about this before in any published articles or stories, and even you are hesitant to name the dealer involved in this so-called sale/purchase, just makes the whole thing seem really sketchy. You're basically saying to just believe the story on almost pure faith, with the only potential evidence to help support the claim being the number of E98 cards that are now graded. Even though the increased number of E98 cards being graded after the Black Swamp Find could also possibly be attributed to more people getting their E98 cards graded following the buzz and excitement of the Black Swamp Find, likely aided by many people now looking to possibly cash in on the prices these new to market E98s were bringing in, as well as just the natural increase/addition to the number of E98 cards that would have been sent in for grading anyway. It's not like people aren't constantly submitting other never before graded pre-war cards during this past decade or so either. I can see the underlying logic to the argument, but without really knowing the accurate number of E98 cards that were in the Black Swamp Find, and why there seems to be so much secrecy still around that, it is somewhat hard to solely attribute the graded card increase to primarily the Black Swamp Find alone. Something doesn't smell right, there shouldn't be all this secrecy about the number of cards in the Find, at least it hasn't been necessary for any reason I can think of for quite a few years now. Like ai said, I don't doubt you at all, but something still doesn't make sense to me. Oh well.

Hopefully I will hit on everything you wrote/asked. I am not asking you to just believe me because you do not know me and I am not even trying to convince you. Only trying to share what is appropriate for me to share based on what I have been told. The dealer who bought the back half of the collection from the family is a member here as I have seen him post at one time. The guy who ended up with them, from him, and blowing up the pop report even more than it already was, is Evan Mathis. The dealer who told me about the back half of the BSF was brought in as a consultant before the cards were sold to Mathis. He is not someone who would make up something like this or lie to me. Further when he told me I was taken aback and relieved I did not make my BSF purchases.

I have no idea when the cards were divided up and if the family did it on their own or with Heritage and for all I know Heritage was only told about the 750 that they got. I have no idea how the back half of the cards graded as a whole but from what I was told..yeah I know...the condition of the cards was similar to the initial find. There were some lower grade cards that had stains on the back, poorly centered cards and cards with indentations and corner dings from storage but there were plenty of 8s and better.

I cannot speak for Heritage, the family or anyone else involved so I have no idea why it was kept quiet that there were twice as many cards in the find as initially reported. What I know is that Evan Mathis was grading and selling these and they were not cards he bought out of Heritage. I really think the family who held them had every intention of keeping them but then decided to cash out when they saw the numbers that were achieved. If Heritage knew this I guess it is for each of us to decide if we were mislead.

I think if you look at the pop report it would be easy to conclude that it was not 1s through 3s that were being graded since 2012 but 5s and above and the majority of the 4,000 cards graded are 5 and above. I have not looked that closely at the pop figures but glancing at them it appeared to look that way.

Casey2296 02-23-2023 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2317595)
Hopefully I will hit on everything you wrote/asked. I am not asking you to just believe me because you do not know me and I am not even trying to convince you. Only trying to share what is appropriate for me to share based on what I have been told. The dealer who bought the back half of the collection from the family is a member here as I have seen him post at one time. The guy who ended up with them, from him, and blowing up the pop report even more than it already was, is Evan Mathis. The dealer who told me about the back half of the BSF was brought in as a consultant before the cards were sold to Mathis. He is not someone who would make up something like this or lie to me. Further when he told me I was taken aback and relieved I did not make my BSF purchases.

I have no idea when the cards were divided up and if the family did it on their own or with Heritage and for all I know Heritage was only told about the 750 that they got. I have no idea how the back half of the cards graded as a whole but from what I was told..yeah I know...the condition of the cards was similar to the initial find. There were some lower grade cards that had stains on the back, poorly centered cards and cards with indentations and corner dings from storage but there were plenty of 8s and better.

I cannot speak for Heritage, the family or anyone else involved so I have no idea why it was kept quiet that there were twice as many cards in the find as initially reported. What I know is that Evan Mathis was grading and selling these and they were not cards he bought out of Heritage. I really think the family who held them had every intention of keeping them but then decided to cash out when they saw the numbers that were achieved. If Heritage knew this I guess it is for each of us to decide if we were mislead.

I think if you look at the pop report it would be easy to conclude that it was not 1s through 3s that were being graded since 2012 but 5s and above and the majority of the 4,000 cards graded are 5 and above. I have not looked that closely at the pop figures but glancing at them it appeared to look that way.

I know of one dealer who has seen the back half, I have no idea what the plan is for introduction into the market is but one has to be very careful about that. Imagine what introducing 50 more Red Cobb PSA 98's would do to the price.

Lorewalker 02-23-2023 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey2296 (Post 2317599)
I know of one dealer who has seen the back half, I have no idea what the plan is for introduction into the market is but one has to be very careful about that. Imagine what introducing 50 more Red Cobb PSA 98's would do to the price.

The back half of the find started to be introduced into the hobby as far back as 2019. Quite certain all of the cards that were intending to be graded have been graded. These cards have been moved privately as well as through many of the auction houses.

Casey2296 02-23-2023 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2317604)
The back half of the find started to be introduced into the hobby as far back as 2019. Quite certain all of the cards that were intending to be graded have been graded. These cards have been moved privately as well as through many of the auction houses.

So they're all in the market now?

BobC 02-23-2023 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey2296 (Post 2317605)
So they're all in the market now?


Chase,

I hear you. That is a crazy story though. But if two of you have heard of it, I guess I have to believe it as well. So it sounds like it is not widely known if the entire Find has made it to the market yet either. If not, that is just crazy. It has been over a decade now since the BSF occurred, and one would normally expect that all the cards would have made it to the market long before now.

So how many cards were there in this Find? You've talked about someone buying the back half, and if Heritage got the 750 or so up front to sell, does that mean the 1,400-1,500 number mentioned by some others is somewhat accurate then? Or is that "back half" comment just a phrase someone threw out, and not really indicative that the 750 or so E98 cards that Heritage got to sell up front was about half the Find after all? Because if the Find really did amount to about 1,400-1,500 E98 cards, the combined PSA, SGC, and CSG population reports currently show a total of 4,106 E98 cards have been graded to date. In that case, the Black Swamp Find cards don't even make up half of the graded E98s out there. So using rounded numbers, if before the BSF there were about 750 graded E98s out there, then the 750 Heritage got graded took that number to about 1,500. And since there are around 4,100 graded E98s out there today, that means an additional 2,600 or so (4,100 - 1,500) have been graded since the BSF hit the news. And if about 750 of those represent the 'back half" of the total BSF, that means around 1,850 E98 cards (2,600 - 750) had nothing to do with the BSF at all. That is about 2-1/2 times the number of cards in the supposed "back half" of the Find. So at least it seems I may have been right about there being a lot of non-BSF E98's that were out there that came in to be graded. And I'm going to guess there may be a lot more ungraded E98 cards out there yet.

Never heard about this "back half" of the BSF before, just what the mainstream articles, stories, and the Strange Inheritance TV show all kept saying. Learned something new then. Would still like to hear all the real details at some point though, but it doesn't sound like we will.

BobC 02-23-2023 11:23 PM

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RCMcKenzie 02-24-2023 04:24 AM

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For me, the bsf cards are like Gauguin woodcuts, I don't know the open editions by his great nephew and others, from the very rare Christie's supposedly original ones. They all look the same to me, and they are expensive.

I haven't bought any e98's since all this happened. My joke is, "Are they still making the, I mean releasing the cards, releasing the cards?"

Lorewalker 02-24-2023 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2317611)
Chase,

I hear you. That is a crazy story though. But if two of you have heard of it, I guess I have to believe it as well. So it sounds like it is not widely known if the entire Find has made it to the market yet either. If not, that is just crazy. It has been over a decade now since the BSF occurred, and one would normally expect that all the cards would have made it to the market long before now.

So how many cards were there in this Find? You've talked about someone buying the back half, and if Heritage got the 750 or so up front to sell, does that mean the 1,400-1,500 number mentioned by some others is somewhat accurate then? Or is that "back half" comment just a phrase someone threw out, and not really indicative that the 750 or so E98 cards that Heritage got to sell up front was about half the Find after all? Because if the Find really did amount to about 1,400-1,500 E98 cards, the combined PSA, SGC, and CSG population reports currently show a total of 4,106 E98 cards have been graded to date. In that case, the Black Swamp Find cards don't even make up half of the graded E98s out there. So using rounded numbers, if before the BSF there were about 750 graded E98s out there, then the 750 Heritage got graded took that number to about 1,500. And since there are around 4,100 graded E98s out there today, that means an additional 2,600 or so (4,100 - 1,500) have been graded since the BSF hit the news. And if about 750 of those represent the 'back half" of the total BSF, that means around 1,850 E98 cards (2,600 - 750) had nothing to do with the BSF at all. That is about 2-1/2 times the number of cards in the supposed "back half" of the Find. So at least it seems I may have been right about there being a lot of non-BSF E98's that were out there that came in to be graded. And I'm going to guess there may be a lot more ungraded E98 cards out there yet.

Never heard about this "back half" of the BSF before, just what the mainstream articles, stories, and the Strange Inheritance TV show all kept saying. Learned something new then. Would still like to hear all the real details at some point though, but it doesn't sound like we will.

The dealer that spoke to me of the back half of the find indicated there were more cards held back by the family that opted to keep them than were graded originally by Heritage. If Heritage graded 750 of them then there were more than 1,500 in all found in the home.

I am confident that cards were submitted more than once, especially the Hall of Famers. I am also certain that cards were graded by PSA and then broken out and sent to SGC when they were not happy with the grades. The more than 4,000 cards graded between both pop reports includes many BSF cards that were seen more than once. Someone posted that prior to the BSF being submitted there were roughly 627 cards in PSA's pop report. I would guess there were at least that many, if not more, in SGC's. Let's assume pre BSF there had been 1,500 cards in the combined pop reports. Another 1,500 from the find which leaves roughly 1,000 other submissions of E98s most of which I would argue are cards being resubmitted or broken out and sent to the other grading company.

Again, no idea why the choice was made to not state upfront that more than 1500 cards were found but only 750 would be coming to auction other than the family having kept that a secret from Heritage or that there was a concern it might have a negative impact on the 750 that were going to auction.

Yoda 02-24-2023 10:54 AM

Just curious, but I hold a BSF M. Brown PSA7 with an orange background and am wondering if this color makes it more valuable than, say, the more common red.

ullmandds 02-24-2023 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2317728)
Just curious, but I hold a BSF M. Brown PSA7 with an orange background and am wondering if this color makes it more valuable than, say, the more common red.

i'd say so

Casey2296 02-24-2023 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2317728)
Just curious, but I hold a BSF M. Brown PSA7 with an orange background and am wondering if this color makes it more valuable than, say, the more common red.

Yes.

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My recollections: The vast majority of the cards were red backgrounds. The only other color in the find was green. There were no Walsh's and only one Mathewson. All other players were well represented. They were found in stacks of 22 cards, with, of course, multiple stacks of the other 28 players.

There were oranges in the find as well. Blue, I'm not sure about but definitely orange.


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BobC 02-24-2023 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2317717)
The dealer that spoke to me of the back half of the find indicated there were more cards held back by the family that opted to keep them than were graded originally by Heritage. If Heritage graded 750 of them then there were more than 1,500 in all found in the home.

I am confident that cards were submitted more than once, especially the Hall of Famers. I am also certain that cards were graded by PSA and then broken out and sent to SGC when they were not happy with the grades. The more than 4,000 cards graded between both pop reports includes many BSF cards that were seen more than once. Someone posted that prior to the BSF being submitted there were roughly 627 cards in PSA's pop report. I would guess there were at least that many, if not more, in SGC's. Let's assume pre BSF there had been 1,500 cards in the combined pop reports. Another 1,500 from the find which leaves roughly 1,000 other submissions of E98s most of which I would argue are cards being resubmitted or broken out and sent to the other grading company.

Again, no idea why the choice was made to not state upfront that more than 1500 cards were found but only 750 would be coming to auction other than the family having kept that a secret from Heritage or that there was a concern it might have a negative impact on the 750 that were going to auction.

That is crazy Chase. I know we're only guessing on the number of different E98 then that really have been graded, and the reason(s) why the family kept the total number of cards in the Find a secret. Deep down I would think that at some point money had something to do with it, especially since it seems like in the end, money has something to do with pretty much just about everything. LOL

Just goes to show how you can still learn something new almost every day. So, of the 4,200 or so that are included on TPG pop reports (forget Beckett also shows 102 total graded E98s, and who knows how many may still be sitting in a GAI holder), I would hazard a guess that the actual number of different E98s that have been graded is somewhere between 3,000 to 4,000, after backing off the crossovers, re-grades, and so on, and maybe closer to the 3,000 figure at the end of the day. Sound about right to you?

Lorewalker 02-24-2023 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2317857)
That is crazy Chase. I know we're only guessing on the number of different E98 then that really have been graded, and the reason(s) why the family kept the total number of cards in the Find a secret. Deep down I would think that at some point money had something to do with it, especially since it seems like in the end, money has something to do with pretty much just about everything. LOL

Just goes to show how you can still learn something new almost every day. So, of the 4,200 or so that are included on TPG pop reports (forget Beckett also shows 102 total graded E98s, and who knows how many may still be sitting in a GAI holder), I would hazard a guess that the actual number of different E98s that have been graded is somewhere between 3,000 to 4,000, after backing off the crossovers, re-grades, and so on, and maybe closer to the 3,000 figure at the end of the day. Sound about right to you?

Hi Bob,

Yes you are right...it always comes down to money. Maybe the family who was holding out really had no interest in selling and thought the estimates the auction house gave were outlandish? The members of the family I saw interviewed seem like good people. Once the sales concluded they might have changed their mind and looked for a buyer. Interesting that they did not offer them to Heritage since they did so well with them.

I think the actual number of unique E98s having been graded would be much closer to 3,000 than 4,000, if I had to take a wild guess. You can see some high grade E98s listed on eBay right now that are not deemed BSF on the label but when you read the description the seller states the card came from a second offering from members of the family.

The find, to me, is still one of the great ones in my time in the hobby. I still have not added a single one to my collection but before I am done I will add several. My preference would be to get ones from those Heritage graded. After reading up about Mathis I would never buy one that went through his hands. Ironic that a virgin find like that ended up with him. Something just so wrong about that. Again...all about the money.

Chase

BobC 02-24-2023 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2317867)
Hi Bob,

Yes you are right...it always comes down to money. Maybe the family who was holding out really had no interest in selling and thought the estimates the auction house gave were outlandish? The members of the family I saw interviewed seem like good people. Once the sales concluded they might have changed their mind and looked for a buyer. Interesting that they did not offer them to Heritage since they did so well with them.

I think the actual number of unique E98s having been graded would be much closer to 3,000 than 4,000, if I had to take a wild guess. You can see some high grade E98s listed on eBay right now that are not deemed BSF on the label but when you read the description the seller states the card came from a second offering from members of the family.

The find, to me, is still one of the great ones in my time in the hobby. I still have not added a single one to my collection but before I am done I will add several. My preference would be to get ones from those Heritage graded. After reading up about Mathis I would never buy one that went through his hands. Ironic that a virgin find like that ended up with him. Something just so wrong about that. Again...all about the money.

Chase

Exactly what I was thinking as well, probably closer to 3,000. One thing seems certain though, since prior to the BSF there were no graded E98s higher than a NM 7, I think it can be pretty much agreed upon that any E98s now graded that are higher than that must have come from the BSF after all.

I totally agree with you also that this whole back-end sale with Mathis just makes little sense, and still seems sketchy to me on some level, I just don't know what it is. And your observation/question about why after seeing how well Heritage did with the initial batch of BSF cards, why didn't the rest of the family trust Heritage with the rest of the cards from the Find then? That is a great question, and based on what I've been hearing, the fact that the family didn't go that route makes no sense at all. I know that family politics, especially when you're talking about inheritances and money, can be unbelievably complex and insane. We'll probably never learn all the facts and details behind this family and how they ultimately divvied up and cashed in on their inheritance. What I would love to know though is if any of the cousins that decided to keep their share of the E98 cards may still have those cards in their possession. Would be interesting to talk with that person(s) as to the reasons and thinking behind what they did then, and maybe what they are still thinking of doing with those cards. LOL

Lorewalker 02-24-2023 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2317880)
Exactly what I was thinking as well, probably closer to 3,000. One thing seems certain though, since prior to the BSF there were no graded E98s higher than a NM 7, I think it can be pretty much agreed upon that any E98s now graded that are higher than that must have come from the BSF after all.

I totally agree with you also that this whole back-end sale with Mathis just makes little sense, and still seems sketchy to me on some level, I just don't know what it is. And your observation/question about why after seeing how well Heritage did with the initial batch of BSF cards, why didn't the rest of the family trust Heritage with the rest of the cards from the Find then? That is a great question, and based on what I've been hearing, the fact that the family didn't go that route makes no sense at all. I know that family politics, especially when you're talking about inheritances and money, can be unbelievably complex and insane. We'll probably never learn all the facts and details behind this family and how they ultimately divvied up and cashed in on their inheritance. What I would love to know though is if any of the cousins that decided to keep their share of the E98 cards may still have those cards in their possession. Would be interesting to talk with that person(s) as to the reasons and thinking behind what they did then, and maybe what they are still thinking of doing with those cards. LOL

Lots of questions and there are answers but I doubt we will ever get them. Just a guess but if HA took the position that lead us all to believe that what they graded was the entire find, I could see how it might not be a great move to then accept the other half of the deal 7 years later. Or that they did not know there was another half and turned down the consignment but then why not go to another house.

Does anyone know what the 750 cards grossed out of Heritage over the years? I know that there were dozens of Cobbs and Wagners from the back half and if I am not mistaken Mathis got a PSA 10 on each with plenty of 9s and 8s.

BobC 02-24-2023 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2317903)
Lots of questions and there are answers but I doubt we will ever get them. Just a guess but if HA took the position that lead us all to believe that what they graded was the entire find, I could see how it might not be a great move to then accept the other half of the deal 7 years later. Or that they did not know there was another half and turned down the consignment but then why not go to another house.

Does anyone know what the 750 cards grossed out of Heritage over the years? I know that there were dozens of Cobbs and Wagners from the back half and if I am not mistaken Mathis got a PSA 10 on each with plenty of 9s and 8s.

Did you watch that Strange Inheritance episode about the find that someone linked to earlier in the thread? Don't know exactly how many cards it shows as being sold through Heritage, but they talked about an original estimated value of $3M I believe for the cards in the Find, and at one point the show mentioned the family having gotten about $1.8M or so, so far, from what was being sold through Heritage. What I don't know now was how many of the original 750 or so cards were sold to get to that sales amount, or if the $3M estimate was what Heritage was telling the family was for the 750 or so original cards they consigned to them, or if that included the cards on the back-half of the Find as well. Again, some answers, but still a lot of unanswered questions remain.

Lorewalker 02-24-2023 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC (Post 2317921)
Did you watch that Strange Inheritance episode about the find that someone linked to earlier in the thread? Don't know exactly how many cards it shows as being sold through Heritage, but they talked about an original estimated value of $3M I believe for the cards in the Find, and at one point the show mentioned the family having gotten about $1.8M or so, so far, from what was being sold through Heritage. What I don't know now was how many of the original 750 or so cards were sold to get to that sales amount, or if the $3M estimate was what Heritage was telling the family was for the 750 or so original cards they consigned to them, or if that included the cards on the back-half of the Find as well. Again, some answers, but still a lot of unanswered questions remain.

Yeah I did watch it when it was on TV, actually. When I go to Heritage's site there are cards in PSA and SGC holders (new labels and old labels) with the BSF provenance so I am not sure how to get a tally or if one can even be gotten.

Also does not appear they have sold 750 of them even to this day. There are 3 or n a current auction ending tomorrow, in fact, and not sure if these were previously sold and consigned a second time or if they are being offered for the first time.


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