1933 Goudey Gum Co. Baseball
 

We need a card thread!! Let's see some 1933 Goudeys...

Here is my only one but I wouldn't mind picking up a few more. (Ruth's or not.)

Great looking Ruth! That's how you roll, very nice for the grade.

Let's round out the Ruths and throw in a Lajoie on the side and some Gehrigs for dessert!!

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The bio on the 2nd Hubbell indicates that the card was issued after the 1933 World Series.

Much of the same info is on the 1934

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Great goudey’s ! Here’s my Ruth

Nice stuff guys. Tough act to follow.

Edited to add: Very timey post Leon. I just happen to have these two guys out and looking at them.

The 1933 Goudey set has quite a few notch or ten down from the pinnacle of baseball stardom and glory that I really like. Here is one that just sings to me.

Brian (not mine, but it might as well be mine)

Earl Clark
 

My pre-war collection is supposed to be limited to players in Washington uniforms. But this fringe big leaguer elbowed his way in. He served as a ball boy for the Washington Senators before playing eight seasons in MLB, mostly with the St. Louis Browns. He was born in Washington and 30 years later was struck and killed by a streetcar in Washington. He played for the Browns for seven seasons, including the start of the 1933 season. Nevertheless, he is shown here playing for the Albany -- wait for it -- Senators.

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Mr. Lazzeri

Here's Ki-Ki -

Very nice Ruth’s. I will be going after those types in a few years

My two terrible Hack Wilsons

Here are some Pirates

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1933 Goudey #158: Moe Berg
 

Casey or Leo or somebody supposedly said something like: "Moe was fluent in eight languages, but he couldn't hit in any of 'em."

When his White Sox manager ran out of catchers and asked the team if anyone could catch, Moe (then a young infielder) said "I used to think so." The manager, Ray Schalk said: "Who told you you couldn't?" Moe's answer: "My high school coach." Schalk said: "Prove him wrong!". Moe caught for 13 seasons in MLB.

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1933 Goudey Ruth
 

My Only One.
Regards
John P

Since I can't get to my Goudey cards just now, I found this on line and thought it appropriate for a 1933 Goudey thread.

This display hangs behind the desk in my home office. I'm now down to three Ruth's to complete my Goudey HOF subset.

Terrific bill i own like 5 hofers will never sell love the artwork

I've never owned any '33 Goudeys.....Have owned different pre war cards over the years.....If I ever go back and collect this era, the '33s would be the first set / cards to tackle.....beautiful cards....and beautiful pics you guy have posted!

Have posted it before, but I think the best looking card in the set

Another Goudey gem.

Brian

That Lajoie is great, are those scrapes along the front? They look too crisp and straight to be folds. Looks like someone raked it, very cool.

1933 Goudey
 

Ruth and Foxx

A common, but this was my first R card of any kind. General Crowder was a star when the card was issued, leading the AL in wins in 1932 and 1933 as a workhorse. He got his nickname after General Enoch Crowder, and his own military service in the Philippines and Siberia. Most sources say he learned to play ball in the army, an awfully late in life start for a guy who made the majors.

Wright had an unassisted triple play.

Greg... First R card??? The first R card I ever got was probably a 1964 Topps.


Here are a couple of Goudeys, some folks think they'd grade with a crooked number.

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I might be technically wrong because I don’t know when the Topps cards stopped getting R numbers. I may have had some 80’s Topps cards before this Goudey, but this Goudey I got before I got any 50’s through 70’s Topps cards. I was really young, mostly collecting current football (late 90’s) at the time when I saw it and thought it was really cool because it was a painting, the baggy uniform. I couldn’t have been older than maybe 7 or 8.

When I think of squatty catchers, I think of this 1933 Goudey of Virgil 'Spud' Davis. A great depiction, but also unusual in that his catcher's mask, in my opinion, makes his face look like that of a monkey.

Brian (not my monkey card)

gowdeez gum :cool:

1933 Goudey #71: Bobby Burke
 

There is little that is remarkable regarding Bobby Burke's 9-season career with Washington. His 38-46 record and 4.29 ERA well-summarize his mediocre performance across 918 innings pitched. When the Senators won the pennant in 1933, Bobby did not pitch in the World Series.

But, as his card explains, there is this: In 1931, Bobby Burke no-hit the Bosox at Griffith Stadium, making him the only Washington pitcher to pitch a no-hitter at the park they played in for 50 years. It would be 83 years (34 of which included no attempts) before another Washington pitcher would throw a no-hitter.

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After several years chasing this set it appears I will fall short. I still remember 4 or 5 years ago at the National, handing J.D. Heckathorn $1,100 for a raw Babe Ruth #144. Me spending $1,100 for a piece of cardboard? (now slabbed SGC 1 Poor). A couple years later, I retold JD how nervous I was forking out that kind of cash for a card, and he graciously offered to refund my purchase lol. I need the other three Ruth cards, both Gehrig cards, and then two other cards which i should be able to afford #89 Tris Speaker and #223 Dizzy Dean. Might be time to purchase a few reprints and call it done.
(cards are stored raw in TCVERIFY.com mylar sleeves)
Larry

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The Lajoie has some minor paper loss along the fold lines, and looks like it was folded extremely tightly when you have it in hand.

Jim(BabyRuth)

How about a crate to store all this awesomeness!!

33 Goudey
 

Pair of mine

Just to show a range of artistic ability on display. Not all the artwork is excellent, which is like some other larger vintage sets (T206 is a good example). Personally for me the cards with the heavier outlining on body and especially the head are usually less appealing.

Brian

1933 GOUDEY cards
 

Tths set comprises of ten 24-card sheets. The 10th sheet is very interesting, it was printed after the 1933 World Series, and includes players from Washington
and the N.Y. Giants. What is more interesting is that 15 cards are numbered with lower numbers that were omitted in the earlier issues.
These cards were issued Circa November 1933.

From my set, I have arranged these cards to exactly simulate this 24-card sheet..........


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This diagram of the 10th sheet tells the story when the remaining 15 (of the 16) mysterious lower numbered cards where finally issued.


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TED Z

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You know you've been collecting a long time when you have 1933 Goudeys that you got signed yourself...

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I agree about the Goslin, and yours is amazing

Ted,

THANK YOU for that sheet #10 information, about Washington and the Giants. I don't have all of those cards, but I do have several of them. I hope to dig them out read the backs, to see if they reference any information that couldn't have been known before the season started.

Has this been common knowledge and I've had my head in the sand? This is the first I've heard of it. You're a walking encyclopedia!

I don’t post on here much, but the Goudey cards are my favorite to collect. Here’s is something I picked up on the BST a few years ago.

1933 Goudey #s 63, 109, and 189: Joe Cronin
 

The back of Cronin's #109 contains results from the 1933 season, including the World Series. I think #63 is a great image!

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Just a few of mine, ok most of mine.

Seeing all these Goudey's makes me want to pick up a few from the 1933 set. Some beautiful cards, gentlemen!

Bill, your Dean is a blazer. Color me jealous.

Hi Frank

I really appreciate your kind words.


Now, here is real 24-card GOUDEY sheet. But, with only 23 subjects. The #144 Babe Ruth card is double-printed on it.

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1933 Goudey has so many cards of great Players.

Set has 240 cards, and I think 64 of those are of Hall of Famers including the duplicate images of Foxx and Gehrig and the multiple images of Ruth, Manush, Cronin and others.

There are 49 different Hall of Famers in total I believe, including the retired Lajoie, Collins and Speaker, which is way more than the T206 set has.

One thing I have wondered is why the World Wide Gum issue, which is rarer than they Goudy does not sell for as much.

It's been known in the hobby since the 1970s, after some uncut sheets were found and people figured out the order in which the cards were issued. It helped that there were still people in the organized hobby who remembered collecting 1933 Goudey as kids.

Here is a very thorough explanation by Jason Schwarts of the 10 sheets in the set:

https://sabrbaseballcards.blog/2020/...udey-part-one/

Here are Elwood Scharf's memories of collecting 1933 Goudey as a kid, from the November 1970 Ballcard Collector:

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1933 GOUDEY cards
 

Hey Guys

Shown here is my real life connection with this Goudey set.

Frank O'Rourke coached our High School BB team (Elizabeth, NJ) during the 1950's.

I was a Right-Fielder (or Left-Fielder) because I had a great glove and had a very strong and accurate throwing arm.
My hitting, at best, was intermittent.


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Thank you, David. Seems like I should have seen that SABR article before now. My favorite sentence was his "The already knew what I did not."

And the sheet 10 cards do have an update in information on the back.

Ted, as to your connection... "intermittent at best," surely that's an understatement.

Ted,

I think you're doing yourself a disservice. I'm sure the Yankees could've used you last season, as I'm sure you would've been better than Aaron Hicks!

Sheet #9 (card numbers 97-99, 128-129, 142, and 214-241) has many of the cards that feature my favorite artwork seen in the Goudey set.

Brian (lordy no not mine)

Can someone explain something that has always bugged me about Goudeys: some cards seem to meticulously reproduce team names on both the uniforms and the hats, while others are conspicuously missing any team insignia at all. I love the Gehringer card but I wish his cap had the old English D on it.

Any reason why so many players are missing their team names on uniforms and caps? If it were today you'd think they hadn't paid for the rights to use the team names.

That's a really interesting sheet, Brian. I realize when looking at it that most of my favorites from the set are on there.

I totally agree, and I have the full set minus 1 card. The colors on that Goslin pop!

My only 33 (and Lou):

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1933 GOUDEY cards
 

Two very interesting ballplayers. One whose fame was on the playing field and another whose fame was off the playing field.

Charles Gehringer is rated as one of the all-around greatest 2nd Baseman.

Moe Berg lived an unbelievable life. I highly recommend reading his SABR bio....... http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/e1e65b3b



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TED Z

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1933 GOUDEY cards
 

Graded "A" for Awesome and Affordable......

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TED Z

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Best pals.

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1933 GOUDEY cards
 

First and Last cards in this set. Tough to find in Ex (or better) condition.


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TED Z

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1933 GOUDEY cards
 

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And, I'll jazz up this O'Doul post with one of his early PCL cards.
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TED Z

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Ted's O'Doul post spurred me to share a printing error example in an issue that printing miscues are rarely seen.

Brian

These are my two prettiest.

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1933 GOUDEY cards
 

Brian....tis very true. GOUDEY's Quality Assurance was pretty darn good. After sorting thru several 100's of 1933 GOUDEY
cards throughout the years to complete my set, this Manush is the only printing error I came across. It's missing blue ink.
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1933 Goudey #134: Sam Rice
 

Few thoughts regarding this hall-of-famer:

< He was 27 before he played his first full season in MLB.

< Some time in his mid-twenties, acquired the nickname "Sam". Nobody knows how.

< Oblivious (as was everyone at the time) to the "magic significance" that would eventually be attached to "HoF milestones", he retired in 1934 thirteen hits shy of 3,000. His batting average in 1934 was .293.

< Finally, here is a guy who at age 21 lost his wife, two daughters, two sisters, and both parents in a tornado, yet is pictured here near the end of his hall of fame career, in front of a cloudless bright blue sky. At the time, nobody in the public knew anything about how the tragic tornado affected Sam's family!

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George, I'm lovin' your gorgeous 1933 Goudey of Sam Rice! Here's a few more tidbits about Sam:

< He missed all but 7 games in 1918, which would have been his second "full year" (600+ plate appearances), due to being drafted into the military for WW1. Hence, his second full year was in 1919 at age 29!

< His last "full year" was 1930 at age 40, in which Sam had 207 base hits and batted .349, the second highest average of his career (he hit .350 in 1925).

< Rice had 19 World Series hits, which puts him at 3,006 total hits for his MLB career.

1934 GOUDEY High #'s sheet (cards #73 - 96), which includes the "1933 GOUDEY" Lajoie card.


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Here is my six pack of '33s I acquired over my collecting life. The Jimmy Foxx and Mickey Cochrane were obtained in actual card swaps with neighborhood card collecting pals in 1981-82. That's when a trade was a trade

The 1933 Goudey Lajoie card took the place on this sheet that was otherwise occupied by the 1934 #82 Bill Hallahan card. So in theory this Hallahan card should have an infinitesimally smaller card population than the rest of the high numbers, since this Lajoie sheet was most likely only printed in very limited quantities.

The PSA and SGC population reports both show the availability of the Hallahan card being in the average range for the high numbers, so there goes my infinitesimal thought.

Brian

1933 and 1934 GOUDEY cards
 

on this sheet that was otherwise occupied by the 1934 #82 Bill Hallahan card. So in theory this Hallahan card should have an infinitesimally smaller card population than the rest of the high numbers, since this Lajoie sheet was most likely only printed in very limited quantities.

The PSA and SGC population reports both show the availability of the Hallahan card being in the average range for the high numbers, so there goes my infinitesimal thought.
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Hi Brian

Bill Hallahan is on the bottom row (2nd card from the left edge) on this 1934 GOUDEY Hi #s sheet. I don't think the Hallahan card was ever short-printed.

GOUDEY printed all their 1933 and 1934 BB cards on 24-card sheets. In 1934, GOUDEY expanded their Hi #s sheet to 25-cards to include the Lajoie card.


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Thanks Ted, I thought I was onto something. Instead it reminds me I should set up an appointment to get my eyes checked...and my brain scanned to find out if anything rattled loose.

Brian




Hi Brian

Bill Hallahan is on the bottom row (2nd card from the left edge) on this 1934 GOUDEY Hi #s sheet. I don't think the Hallahan card was ever short-printed.

GOUDEY printed all their 1933 and 1934 BB cards on 24-card sheets. In 1934, GOUDEY expanded their Hi #s sheet to 25-cards to include the Lajoie card.


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1933 GOUDEY cards
 

Remembering Babe Ruth's called HR in the game 3 of the 1932 World Series.


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1933 Goudey #'s 47,107, and 187: Heinie Manush
 

Henry E. "Heinie" Manush. Outfielder for the Washington Senators in 1930-1935. 2,524 hits and 110 home runs in 17 MLB seasons. Had a .330 career batting average. 1934 All-Star. 1926 AL batting champion. Had more than 200 hits four times. In 1964, was inducted to the MLB Hall of Fame. Debuted with the Detroit Tigers in 1923. Leading batter on the 1933 Washington Senator team that won the AL pennant. First and last player to be ejected from a World Series game. Had 241 hits in 1928. Coach for the Washington Senators in 1953-1954.

Manush's SABR biography explains how Manush became the (first and) last player to be thrown out of a World Series game:

It was a thrill to be in the (1933) World Series, but Manush was terribly disappointed in his performance (he had two singles in five games). During the Series, he took it out on the umpires. In Game 3, the Senators had the tying run on second with two out in the sixth inning, when Manush hit a ball past a diving Bill Terry that Howie Critz somehow grabbed and flipped to Hubbell to nip Manush — that is, according to umpire Charlie Moran. It was an extremely close play, and an enraged Senators outfielder and his infuriated manager hotly debated the call! The home plate umpire finally broke up the fierce confrontation by ordering Cronin and Manush to take their positions in the field. While Cronin reluctantly sauntered out to shortstop, Manush gave Moran one more verbal blast on his way out to right field and was tossed from the game. It took all of Cronin’s strength to restrain his right fielder from attacking Moran. After being dragged off the field, Manush had to be physically restrained from throwing things at the first-base umpire. Washington fans showed their displeasure at the call by heaving hundreds of soda bottles in the umpire’s direction.

Manush recalled the play years later. “It actually was more than an argument,” he said. “Moran had every right to chase me when I tell you what I did. I was too smart to lay a hand on Moran when I was arguing the call. But when he bellied up to me and asked me what I wanted to make of it, there was a temptation that was too great. Moran, like the other umps in those days, was wearing a black bow tie, the kind that comes with an elastic band. What I did was grab the tie and let it snap back into Moran’s neck. That’s when he gave it to me.”

Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis, who was at the game, disagreed with the umpire’s decision to kick Manush out, and ruled from then on, that no player in the World Series could be thrown out without first getting the commissioner’s almighty permission.

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1933 GOUDEY cards
 

Two Texans with terrific Hitting ability


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Nice ones!
I need a centered DS Hornsby!
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Trimmed to the border 1933 and 1934 Goudeys, all no longer mine...but I still have the artsy photo.

Brian

Fritz Schulte
 

Fred W. "Fritz" Schulte. Center fielder for the Washington Senators in 1933-1935. 1,241 hits and 47 home runs in 11 MLB seasons. He had a career OBP of .362. He debuted with the St. Louis Browns in 1927. His best year was 1932 for St. Louis as he posted a .373 OBP with 106 runs scored in 639 plate appearances. He also posted a .366 OBP with 98 runs scored in 622 plate appearances in 1933 as Washington won the AL pennant. He finished his career with the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1936-1937.

Schulte's SABR biography talks to his 1933 season: Spring training in 1933 took place during what was the low point of the Great Depression. In March, an estimated 15.8 million people out of the nation’s civilian workforce of 51.5 million were without jobs. Major-league attendance had fallen from 10.1 million in 1930 to less than 7 million in 1932, so the outlook for the 1933 season was bleak. Yet thanks to Washington’s run to the AL pennant, Griffith Stadium attracted 60,000 more paying customers, even as attendance in both leagues fell to a decade-low 6.1 million in 1933. The Senators’ home attendance was second only to that of the second-place Yankees.

A 13-game winning streak in August separated Washington from New York. By mid-September, the Nats had a 10-game lead over the Yanks. They wound up winning 99 games and finishing seven games ahead. The December trade that sent Schulte to Washington was of no immediate help to the Browns, who finished last with 55 wins.

Schulte got off to a hot start and had his average over .400 as late as May 10. Despite missing time after breaking a finger, he was still hitting .330 in late July. By then the rest of the Washington lineup was picking up any slack. Schulte hit and fielded well enough that fans soon stopped lamenting the loss of (Sam) West (who had been traded away as part of the deal that brought Schulte to Washington).

In a potent Senators lineup, Schulte held his own: second in runs scored (98), fourth in RBIs (87), and fifth in hits (162, one behind Goslin). On a team with four regulars who hit .302 or higher, Schulte’s .295 was just sixth-best. As a team, Washington hit a league-leading .287.

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Blank back Ruth

1933 GOUDEY cards
 

And here is another Pennsylvanian...."Hack" Wilson drove in 191 runs in 1930,
which still is the all-time RBI record for a single season.
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