S/O to this eBay seller/ and whoever messed with it
 

I’m normally not someone to go some rants or tangents but this just annoys me. Assuming the seller is telling the somewhat truth, this just seems unethical to me. Either way this seller sucks, to me once I pay your BIN whether a good deal or not it should be binding. I have a good feeling that someone on the thread turned around and messed with as well (again assuming seller is not full of it.. has 100% so who knows). Would like to get some thoughts on this.

I'm a little confused.

First off, yes it would be unethical at the least to not accept your bid, pretty sure eBay rules say its a binding contract once the BIN is hit (outside of some obvious error in the listing).

And very odd for a seller who deals in sports cards and who in his description mentions how rare the card is and the pop report that he had no idea that the card was quite valuable. So, that doesn't jive to me.

I don't get where you say someone in this thread is messing with you, what does that mean?

Rob

Same question on the thread..

I’m just annoyed, but in the past it was someone who a member here. It is is what it is I have no idea but I’m just annoyed lol

Don’t walk
 

RUN!

The odds are good that this seller doesn’t even own this item, and is just trying to get you to contact them offline to do an even bigger deal.

Either that, or they are trying to get you to bid against yourself.

Either way, you don’t want anything to do with this seller.

Is it a rare back? The price is probably about right for a common one. I would file a report with Ebay. I don't think they allow what he did. I would show them the message too. Good luck!

Cycle 460… was underpriced but not my fault they didn’t do the research on it. They posted the pop report to lol

That sucks. Yeah, if they knew enough to check a pop report you would think they would do just a little more googling to find the approximate value. And it could have been someone on here. Never, ever post an ebay buy until you have it in hand. This has happened so, so many times.
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Had you posted the auction here? It's a common theme that happens.


Also, ZERO, and I mean ZERO chance of anything aside from a Ebay slap on the wrist will happen.

I never posted that I won the card. Woke up to this message after I won it last night. I love this hobby :)

That stinks Brett I've had it happen to me. There's a member who hardly ever posts that does this a lot (makes a higher offer on a card that has already sold below value) the funny thing is that he includes a business card when you purchase something from him with his email and if you contact him about a card he has listed on ebay through that email his reply is he only will only sell through ebay.

has happened to me also. it’s sucks but you can’t make them ship the item. just move on.

I’m sure what they are saying is somewhat accurate, minus the family sale part.

Seller has a ton of cards for sale. Modern and vintage. They f’d up and someone probably messaged offering a lot more.

Someone also posted last night saying that this was a steal. About 10 min later i get a message from the seller canceling. I wish people would not post stuff like that, really a shame all around.

Had it happen once, won an auction for a 3 card lot at a great price, paid, then a couple days later they claimed it sold at a show over the weekend.

They offered my choice of their fake autographs instead but if it was more I had to pay the difference.
I reported them.

I doubt much happened, but they were pretty much off ebay a couple months later.

I saw that and I can easily assume that brought out the wolves.

Still would put 99% percent of blame on a classless seller. The same has happened to me, more than once. Unless it's an egregious error like posting a 99 cent BIN, when it was meant as an auction, this should get a suspension...but we know that will never happen.

Pretty sure most of this has had it happen, I know I have multiple times over the years.

Main thing is never for any reason tell a single person about the auction before you have the item in hand.

They will do nothing to the seller, I know a one seller that does it with every card they didn't like the final price on.

Share ?
 

..If you could please share with us the seller's E-Bay handle , I know a moderator on here would would gratefully buy you a corndog and a Diet Pepsi at the next National .

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Man its ebay nuff said

Leave a neg

This:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=329063

I bought a ticket to the game where Mark McGwire hit #62 from a guy outside the stadium for $40. Shook hands. Pulled money out of my pocket and was handing it to him when somebody said "I'll give you $100" and the guy instantly turned around and sold it to that guy.

A few minutes late I bought this one for $25...

So sometimes it turns out ok, but that first guy is still an ***hole.

Doug "learning not to cuss online" Goodman

You should have told the seller to his face that he was an ***hole, and then dared him to do anything about it.

Is this the same card that was the subject of a thread earlier today indicating "congrats to somebody on ebay"? The thread has since been edited and the content removed.

I always thought a closed on auction on ebay was a binding contract. What does ebay do to winning bidders that don't follow through on a purchase?

If I were the family that consigned through the seller, I'd be concerned because who knows what else is going to be sold under priced.

They say that but I don't believe that's the case. I've had buyers not pay it's not clear to me that they do anything. Supposedly they give them an "unpaid item strike" (whatever that means) but there doesn't seem to be much transparency around that.

309. Poach Roach
After hitting ‘Buy-It-Now’ and sending payment for a card, you receive a message informing you the seller has cancelled the transaction and refunded your money...and you know full well it’s because someone contacted this unscrupulous seller and offered him more money for the card.

Have you contacted eBay to see if there any recourse on this?
Or is that hopeless?

If the seller backs out it’s over. eBay can’t make them go through with the transaction. A good idea would be to make any sale disappear after conclusion for 24-48hr so others can’t mess with it. It happens a lot, even with auctions.

For us non-attorneys…maybe one of you that are can hop in:

Offer/acceptance/consideration..and a message verifying all of that and but still pulls out for a higher offer.
Is that possible?..I think of real estate and specific performance.

Appears a claim could be for thousands of dollars if pursued?? Would love insight just out of curiosity.

Exactly what I was thinking. If Ebay claims it is a binding contract, you should see about suing for specific performance. Maybe see if you have a friend or acquaintance that is an attorney to at least write a letter and threaten a suit. You never know. You are clearly in the right if this is a binding contract, and you definitely have the documentation from the Ebay site. I would be sure to print/save a copy in case it were to suddenly disappear for some reason. The trick to doing something like this though is having something worth going after to begin with that can make the time and expense worthwhile. Not really worth it for a card worth a few hundred dollars or so, but a card worth several thousands.......now that may be a different story.

Also wonder, if you do go after someone for specific performance, could you also include your legal fees to force the defendant to pay for the harm they tried doing to you? That is a question for any attorneys in here.

Sorry to hear this was done to the OP. That definitely sucks.

Exactly what I was thinking. If Ebay claims it is a binding contract, you should see about suing for specific performance. Maybe see if you have a friend or acquaintance that is an attorney to at least write a letter and threaten a suit. You never know. You are clearly in the right if this is a binding contract, and you definitely have the documentation from the Ebay site. I would be sure to print/save a copy in case it were to suddenly disappear for some reason. The trick to doing something like this though is having something worth going after to begin with that can make the time and expense worthwhile. Not really worth it for a card worth a few hundred dollars or so, but a card worth several thousands.......now that may be a different story.

Also wonder, if you do go after someone for specific performance, could you also include your legal fees to force the defendant to pay for the harm they tried doing to you? That is a question for any attorneys in here.

Sorry to hear this was done to the OP. That definitely sucks.

No negative feedback for the seller. Is this one of those, "why bother" situations?

Feedback has been basically worthless for years on eBay.

Buyers can only leave negative feedback after 7 days.

I can't say anything about the classless act that happened. But for the first time in my life I saw an ebay seller on Twitter say he was put on probation by Ebay. He posted generic pictures instead of pics of his actual card, and I guess he did it multiple times.

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I can tell you the username of who poached it. Cmonnow is the username.

Not that it matters but just so it’s out there

Uh, no Cmonnow is not the poacher. I know this for a fact because that is MY ebay ID.

In the last hour, I sent a message to the seller indicating I'd give the seller $10K for it just to see if the butt head would re-neg on the deal they made with the person that poached it. I had no intention of paying $10K for it, but it would have been funny as hell if the seller said "yes" and screwed the other person that screwed up the deal.

Who ever this kaufmannb14 or other Kaufmann (name in user-handle) is full of crap. Frigging troll to the board.

Where do these idiots come from?

Interesting.

the fact that someone can offer more cash for a sold item is a defect with eBay… I’ve been screwed from it many times so if a law suit happens lol please lmk

I just looked at the thread time stamps. I sent the offer via ebay email right after my post at 838P.

This clown posted that Cmonnow (me) was the poacher 23 minutes later. About the only way that could happen is if these handles with Kauffman in the N54 poster name is the seller (Chawen_5502). Either that or Chawen_5502 has a direct line to the person he supposedly screwed and for some reason or other felt the need to provide the "supposedely" screwed buyer with the name of a person that poached the card from them. Really??? :eek: Beware of this clown.

I’m just going off what was said to me via eBay saying a guy offered him 10k apparently I have two different eBay’s. I’m not a troll or a bot. I’m a legit person who loves American Thai and watches anchorman on repeat. Whether it was messing with him or not you did message him saying you’d pay 10k, all did wa d ask how much the other offer was. He’s probably full of it, god damn this hobby is always creating a story lmao

Who knows if he's telling the truth, but if some guy who isn't a hobby expert is helping a family sell a collection and he priced an item too low by mistake, I do not see canceling the sale as unethical. You committed to buy in good faith, but assuming the price is well below market obviously something is off.

When I used to sell cars this happened occasionally with online prices. Like leaving a digit off. Say a $24,999 used car listed for $2,499. You should have heard some of those phone calls. We would post a retraction and move on. This seller should be allowed to do the same in my opinion.

I told him considerably more than that...

Who ever you are - why would the seller of the card just arbitrarily contact you and tell you this? The timing is just too coincidental. Within about 20 minutes of me sending an ebay message, the seller just happens to contact you to tell you about a $10K offer that they just received. Sorry, I'm having a difficult time buying into this.

Why would the seller provide my ebay ID and not the person that actually "supposedly" poached it?

Is there a reason you have (2) N54 handles?

I see TROLL...

Interesting, ebay indicates Chawen_5502 is in Chicago. Last I knew, Chicago is in Illinois and that's the same state as the BKaufmann14 N54 ID indicates. I'm no rocket scientist but things just don't add up here.

Calm down fred. It sucks to be outed. There is no conspiracy going on. He messaged me saying someone else reached out and I asked for the username. Jsur so happens we are both in the Windy City. Stop gaslighting and move on. You go caught whether you were messing around or not.

So BKaufmann14 is saying he asked the seller who the higher offer was, and got this eBay username which he appears to have had no idea belongs to one of the people in this thread.

The possessor of this eBay username is alleging that there is something nefarious in having the two usernames kaufmannb14 and BKaufmann14, that it is suspicious BKaufmann14 and the seller are both in Illinois, and that his offer of the card was a joke or an effort to catch the seller somehow, but that he did make an offer.

Hm.

--breaks out popcorn--

Greg,

The timing is very suspicious - I actually felt really bad for the OP that said that he got screwed. I hate seeing that crap happen.

I figured I'd screw with that seller and see what he'd do if someone put in a large offer on the card. In less than half an hour (this is more than 12 hours after the OP said they got screwed by the seller re-negging on the sale), I'm being outed by the OP as the person that poached the card the day before or earlier in the day.

It made no sense to me that the ebay seller would immediately contact the person they screwed over and then tell them someone made a large offer on the card, especially if the card was supposedly sold to someone else already.

My only intent was to see what the seller would do. Instead within half an hour, the OP (using a second N54 ID, albeit similar to the OP name) outs me as the "poacher". I took a bit of offense to this and looked at the timing of it all and it just seemed really odd.

If Kaufmann is telling the truth, then there's a lot of odd timing and coincidences to this and I didn't appreciate being falsely outed as the "poacher" of this card. I'm all about a collector being able to "collect" and have an enjoyable time doing so because in these days of this hobby, there's too much BS going on and it's more dog eat dog than help thy fellow collector.

By the way, the ebay seller for the card hasn't contacted me.

I don't see what is suspicious or much room for a conspiracy in what he has said. Since you all agree that you made an offer to the seller, that's the information they have. The seller has an offer from you for $10,000, presumably he doesn't know you're doing it for, you say, some less than sincere purpose (what is the point in proving a seller that cancelled a deal for a higher offer will do that? That's already known). Seller gives that to the original buyer when asked, who posts it here, seeming not to know that ID is yours. What do you think happened? The seller and this poster are the same person, for what possible purpose? It doesn't seem to be a false outing, you all agree you did make a higher offer after the auction. Did you make that offer worded in a way that the seller, who relayed it to bkaufmann, would not reasonably take it at face value? Can you post the screen cap of the offer? Perhaps you were insincere in it and did not successfully poach, but if you make a poaching offer and they can't reasonably know your offer was fake for some reason, why would the seller and the person he relays it to assume it was a fake offer? I guess I just don't see why one would make a higher offer to a seller we already know takes higher offers, and how anyone else besides you would know, assuming it is true, that your intent was not to follow through on said offer and it was insincere, even if it was accepted. If I am selling a card and someone sends me an offer, I would assume their offer is sincere (since that is usually the case) unless I have reason to think it is insincere. To believe bkaufmann's story, while still assuming your statements are true, one only has to conclude A) the seller interpreted the offer as sincere as most people do, and B) gave bkaufmann the name of one of the people who offered more when asked. That's not much of a stretch. To believe bkaufmann is actually the seller requires a lot more jumps.

We've all had this happen to us and I've always gone back to the seller and said I'd match the higher offer, which often worked. Maybe that's because I'm a collector and not a flipper, I don't know. I'm surprised at how many people are for taking advantage of someone who doesn't know the value of what they have. I would have offered him $10K on principle.

Not related to the original topic, I believe the ID thing has been figured out on my end. I have no comment about the thread itself. I hate it when people get in the way of sales though.

I'm starting to think the OP really isn't that concerned about the card sale itself, but more of if someone from this forum poached it. The screenshot message from the seller canceling is from the same time period it was posted here (12:41AM) for a "steal on EBay". (Probably time zone variables).

I agree that many of us have had similar situations on EBay but I don't blame the OP in wanting to know if that post led to someone here poaching it...

Seller realizes mistake and makes up excuse saying someone offered more/selling for a family etc.

Guy from this forum “offers” $10k to seller.

Original buyer asks for a name.

Seller gives that $10k offer guys user name.

Guy on this forum says he was just playing a game to see what seller would do.


This is likely what happened. Seller will probably repost the card for sale.

Clarification
 

This is my last post on this thread because it’s gotten confusing so I’ll give you the run down. First off I was unaware I even had two accounts and I was trying to pull some shadiness I wouldn’t make it the same name practically just reversed. The story goes as this: someone posted my buy on here saying it was a steal and someone was lucky. This has been stated in the thread, about 20-30 min later I get an email from the seller saying someone offered more offline (screenshot from original post). I obviously woke up the next morning pissed off and made this thread. As much I wanted the card I wanted to figure out who keeps doing this because this isn’t the first time this has happened. It has happened twice to me by a member who commented on this thread. One was a Mathewson CB and one was tried with a red Hindu McGraw. Since I was annoyed I messaged the seller on eBay and wanted to give him a chat to make it right. He felt bad and I think his story was legit so his hands were somewhat tied. He gave me his number and offered me some more smaller cubs tobacco cards for solid deals to make up for it and we can meet and make amends over lunch in the next few weeks. While we were texting he would not relay the original poster, but said 10-15 min ago that Fred had sent him a 10k offer, and wanted to get my opinion on real value. I still don’t know why Fred would send him an offer even as a joke I just find it weird. Whether I buy, sell, trade or collect I’m a legit person, I’ve done deals with countless people and have genuinely been more than gracious and generous to people… including giving cards away for free, giving refunds on bad grades or altered grades and so forth. I’m sure as hell not the seller of the Cobb, I wish I had a card of that magnitude.


The real Brett Kaufmann

I agree with Rob's comment in post 2. How did you know the 'poacher', as you say, was on the thread, when the thread only had your original post, without an edit. Then, Fred, who has been on here a long time, and doesn't talk about T206 on here, as far I know, turns out to be the buyer who ruined your steal, as the other thread starter stated correctly.

I don't buy any stories about selling cards from grandpa's attic on eBay. No way I would send $4500 for a Cobb to an eBayer I didn't know.

9 times out of 10 when you out an auction here, a net54 user ends up winning it. Still wondering who lost on that uncle Jack's Ruth. Karma

this is true

Ted and Pete, I may not be up on all the soap operas, but I thought the book store sold the Ruth to a member here, who got it graded, and sold it for less at a big auction house. I agree that we should not talk about ongoing auctions, but if we don't talk about auctions after they are over, then when do we talk about them?

i believe u r correct in your assessment of the uncle jack ruth scenario from my understanding.

I think it used to be much more frowned upon to "out" or discuss auctions in progress. Over time more people would post current auctions with questions and that might start a discussion sometimes outing a card as bogus or altered...and this is good. Fine line to me. I don't have a problem with it anymore.

Seems many want a "perfect" marketplace when it comes to trading cards...this encourages that.

Brett,

Probably my final post on this also. It'd be nice if the seller would tell you who contacted them about the card after the sale. I can assure you, it wasn't me.

I sent the $10K offer to see what he'd do. That offer went out WELL past the time you originally posted this thread. I figured if he screwed you, he'd screw the person that "supposedly" offered up more than the BIN price and screwed you over. Apparently the seller still has the card from what you're indicating. My thought was that if the seller was greedy, then he'd probably screw the other person over but then he'd be stuck with the stuck with the card because I had no intention of buying it.

I have T206s because I collect vintage, but I'm not an aficionado of the set. I honestly have no clue what that card, with that back, is worth. I pulled the $10K number out of thin air.

Timing is everything. I'm assuming you have the multiple N54 ID handles cleared up because you're posting. Leon's a fair guy and I hope it didn't cause you too much consternation.

Since you seem to be buddies with the seller now, ask him when the $10K offer was made. I sent the offer a few minutes after post #32 (way past the time you started this thread). Then within no time you out me as the "poacher". Since people know people's ebay handles in this forum, I really didn't like the implication that I am a "poacher" or would pull some underhanded BS and screw someone out of a nice deal.

I hope you and the seller can work something out. Good luck.

It happened to me so often I offered a seller $500 to tell me who had contacted him. Pretty frustrating and disheartening when it is someone pretending to be your pal. It didnt surprise me when I caught him shilling off his signed 52 set, and I was more than happy to expose it.

This forum gets really entertaining when there's drama on ebay or in auction house and all the participants involved are members of Net54. Attachment 547847Attachment 547847Attachment 547847

Any updates to report?
Saw the card floating around on twitter.

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Plot twist is… seller made it right and lived 2 miles from me. Timelesssportscards on eBay was original poacher. Had to pay more than original buy but I’m happy and content and prob have a new hobby buddy. That’s the update was picked up this morning but this thread got so confusing didn’t want to post anymore

Congrats and glad it worked out!

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I get it, plus the whole circumventing of Ebay. I wouldnt want to post either :rolleyes:

Congrats! Heck of a card, glad it worked out for you.

Looks like you still have two accounts...is one of them logged in on your phone and the other logged in on PC or something? :p :)

Yes you hit in the head. Usually I log into net54 on my laptop but I’m streaming NFL games all weekend and I guess created an account prior to my normal one so it automatically logs me in! I promise I’m not a scammer or this is my burner lol, after all both have kaufmann in them I’d be an idiot to make a burner with that 😂

So can you help me understand what you meant here in one of our emails? (read bottom one first)



-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Kaufmann <kaufmannb14@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2022 11:15 AM
To: leonl@flash.net
Subject: Re: Banned?

Yes

Sent from my iPhone


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2022, at 11:03 AM, leonl@flash.net wrote:
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> So, your brother has the opposite id of you, and that's him posting? I am old and get confused easily..
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Kaufmann <kaufmannb14@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2022 10:37 AM
To: leonl@flash.net
Subject: Re: Banned?

I mean I have no idea about this other account. The site has been acting weird for me. Just seems pretty rash to just ban me and my brother without even talking to us. I’ve developed a decent reputation over last couple years and somehow I get banned, but this Fred guy who just admitted to trying to poach the seller after I’d been shafted isn’t banned. Can you just ban the kaufmannb14 one. I like never even start threads this one just annoyed me yesterday so I posted still not sure what I did wrong.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2022, at 8:14 AM, leonl@flash.net wrote:
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> I will look into it. But This would be like me having Luckey7 and someone else being 7Luckey, with the same area code........good chance they are the same. And then there is that 3rd Kaufmann from the same area? .....I am sure you bid in those auctions and I have contacts at each one I can check.
> Don't you think it's strange that someone from your zip code has the same id but backwards and is commenting in your thread? What are the odds? I am sure you at least see my point.
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> LL


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Clarification
 

This kaufmannb14 one is logged on my phone, my normal one is my laptop. I didn’t realize it until this morning. My brother has a total different account kylekaufmann something or another he doesn’t post much. You can still take this account away I’ll just have to figure out my info on my laptop so I can use on my phone.

You have 2 accounts. Absolutely a banning offense. You said your brother posted in this thread, in our email? That was a blatant lie. I can barely keep up with your stories. I am sorry, I do get confused when people lie to me.

I can barely remember the truth let alone make up stories.
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Okay go ahead and ban me at this point doesn’t even matter

I would rather hear your explanation. Maybe I got this all wrong?
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I said yesterday you can get rid of kaufmannb14, it logs me in atomically on my phone didn’t realize until post had been made already. Why in the world would I purposely make two accounts with the same last name in there it doesn’t make sense to me, if I was trying to pull something. I just went on my laptop and has my proper username and password for my normal account to log into my phone. Ban me don’t ban me, believe me don’t believe me, I am never going to start a thread again this has been the most confusing thing I’ve been apart of there is like 5 side bar convos going on as well lol

So how much did you end up paying for the Cycle Cobb?

Oddly the second one to be graded and sold fairly recently but still a rare card.

I have had problems logging into Net54 on my laptop for about two years. My cellphone was 100% reliable thru Tapatalk. Laptop version on regular internet made me make a new password many times, and refuses to accept the new passwords I created. Super frustrating. I finally got my laptop issuses settled a month ago. So I totally understand the possibility of having two accounts.

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More feedback from extremely trusted members and the OP, his brother, and any other aliases, gone. Not even a question, and had I known this information before, the OP would have been banned before this thread was started.
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