Insane Babe Ruth card on Ebay
 

I don’t consider this “outing” an auction when there have been over 90 bids and it’s up to $15,000!! But what the heck is it? And those other cards in what looks like a Velveeta Cheese box….. is this legit??? Could go either way but that card looks real to me whatever it is……. trying to post a link but I’m having trouble…. it’s a bright red Ruth on EBay….. maybe someone else could post the photo or link? Very interesting….

It's a 1933 Uncle Jack's Candy Ruth

Is there a link to this?

Thanks!

Ask people bidding on it if they think it's outing it? :)
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Yeah, it appears so. Price jumped about 50% in the hour after it was posted here. Too rich for my blood, but I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

That is eBay for you.

But that series of cards is a great set as for its authenticity I am a bad judge of that

Yep, I had a snipe on this auction, and I consider this thread outing also. I doubt that I would have won the auction anyway even if it weren't outed.

I think this auction is a case where the ebay authenticity guarantee really helps. Folks are more comfortable bidding on it knowing that a TPG will evaluate the card. Saying that, to me, the card looks genuine, and would probably grade around a 2 or so. If you look at the other cards in that box, there's another Uncle Jack's card there, and a common one. For scammers, virtually every card they sell would be some top HOFer, so the fact they have commons from the same set is a positive sign. The cardstock also looks good, and what you would expect for this set.

Just email him and ask to end early. That's what a real dirt bag would do!

Scammers don't have 47,770 perfect feedback either.
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The Ruth definitely appears authentic to me, as well as the rest of the slew of 30's cards in the box seen in one of the listing photos.

Inquiring minds would like to know what is appropriate to take on a Ruth Outing? Are plastic utensils ok, or is actual silverware required to meet NAVROA (North American Vintage Ruth Outing Association) guidelines?

Brian

It will be interesting to see what the card sell for. It is a Nice looking piece

Only fine china, and real silverware, for this outing.
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Ruth
 

Looks like no card sales either..just books etc. Since they didn't know what it what based on the title and not grading it; they just threw it up there to see what would happen. Probably no idea what they had.

So cool though. Love knowing this stuff is still out there in old boxes waiting to be found!!!

Old Cards
 

It may have been someone walked into the book store with a old box of cards

https://www.collectorfocus.com/image...35/book-store2

I like the Python-esque -Cards not appearing in this auction- photo.

Hot damn that’s some card!!! Awesome to just find in a box! It’s gonna sell for close to 40 grand.

Weird time to end a high dollar auction though.

Already jumped to 27k

I’ve got a couple of questions:

1.) Which Grading Company will inspect the card to guarantee its meets the EBay Authenticity Guarantee? What happens if it’s reviewed by CSG under the EBay Authenticity Guarantee and you have PSA grade it on your behalf and it’s found to not be authentic?

2.) The buyer takes a risk the card would only grade as an “A” when it’s submitted to the TPG. I don’t know if the value of the card in say a PSA “A” would justify how much the card will, more than likely bring in the auction but based on its rarity it may be worth much more.

It’s definitely a very cool and very rare card. It will be interesting to see what it sells for in the auction.

Stupid question, but sometimes you just gotta ask. Why didn't the seller have it authenticated/graded first before listing it ?

Look at the seller, they sell books out of a house. The listing says "Old Babe Ruth card". I don't think they had any idea of the value of what they had, I bet they're smiling now though.

I would proceed with caution on this auction*, although there is a 30 day return window, so the buyer has some protection. If the card is deemed 'Authentic' by eBay's program, I would still send it out for expedited grading to SGC/PSA once I received from eBay Authentication. Then would get an actual grade and holdered for peace of mind. And if grading rejects it, can be sent back to the seller in time of the 30 return window. HOWEVER, there is a catch with returning an eBay Authenticated card. Once you break the blue seal on the back of the plastic sleeve in which the card resides (you would need to do this to send the card to SGC/PSA or they would do it at SGC/PSA in order to grade it), the residue transfers to the plastic sleeve from the flap which the seal was partially stuck to, and it transfers the words: Void. This therefore breaks the eBay Authenticity Guarantee return policy, so you're stuck with the card. It may be 'Authentic' per eBay Authentication standards, but ultimately rejected by the grading co. So it's a gamble.

*eBay Authenticity Guarantee is for the card they receive against the listing's information, to determine authenticity and accuracy (see below). The Ruth card in question has zero information pertaining to Year Manufactured or Manufacturer, nor is noted as Original.

Per eBay's FAQs:
3. Description of the Authenticity Guarantee Service.
After the purchase of an Eligible Item (description in Section 5(a) below) on eBay.com, the item is shipped to a vetted third-party authentication partner (“Authentication Partner”) to carefully inspect the item for authenticity and accuracy against the item listing.

Estimated value if Graded PSA ??
 

Anyone have a ideal / intuition on a estimated value if this card Grades say a PSA 2 or 3?

Understood. But, I still would have sold it thru an auction house, not ebay. Thx.

Really odd time to end an auction. A ruth collectors know was guessing 45k.

Great Article! However the article states the card will be reviewed by PSA. I just reviewed the EBay guarantee and it states that raw cards are reviewed by CSG and slabs are reviewed by PSA. However, I guess you have the 30 day return protection.

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posting here prior to the auction ending certainly isn't helping those bidding on it.

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For all those complaining about the outing….think about how many times “Babe Ruth” is searched on eBay a day? Did you really think it would remain a secret? SMH

There is virtually a 100% chance there are more bidders because of this thread. Other than that, yeah, it wasn't a total secret. I hadn't seen it and I search ebay daily.
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I hadn’t known about it until I saw this thread but since then I have seen it in numerous other places. Got my bid in!!!

Really? You think there's members here who know what an Uncle Jacks Ruth is and have the resources to go after it? I'm gobsmacked...

This post literally threw a fresh cadaver into a pool of hungry well seasoned sharks.

And now Sports Collector's Daily has an article on it. But agree, if you search Babe Ruth and sort by highest price auction, it will pop out rather quickly.

Ruth
 

To: Whoever wins it

Reach out to me after it’s graded…I love that it was found here in Vermont.

From: Ethan

As a buyer only, I like when people shut up about things they've figured out on eBay I'm bidding on, as it increases the odds I might win the poorly listed item. I've spent more than one listing nervous a badly listed card is going to appear on the boards and I'm not going to win as a result.

However, I have never understood why this as a moral thing many hobbyists believe; that people who spot something have some sort of ethical duty to tailor their actions to help the potential buyers at the cost of the seller, instead of the other way around. I don't think I would have any reasonable standing to be upset if someone publicly mentioned a card up for public sale.

Live and learn
 

My apologies to anyone who I inadvertently caused a problem with this auction. I thought since it had so many views and bids already plus the sellers stated in their description that they had numerous calls and emails to end the auction early that this was no secret. Maybe it would be best to just wait until the dust settles after the final bidding before bringing something like this on a post again. Again I meant no harm but will do it differently in the future. I’m pretty sure that this was going to go wherever it ends up with or without this thread but we will never know.

No need to apologize in my book. It’s on eBay for godssake. This is not state secrets we are talking about. A few people who thought an eBay auction was somehow a deep state secret need to get over themselves.



QUOTE=NiceDocter;2259146]My apologies to anyone who I inadvertently caused a problem with this auction. I thought since it had so many views and bids already plus the sellers stated in their description that they had numerous calls and emails to end the auction early that this was no secret. Maybe it would be best to just wait until the dust settles after the final bidding before bringing something like this on a post again. Again I meant no harm but will do it differently in the future. I’m pretty sure that this was going to go wherever it ends up with or without this thread but we will never know.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Snapolit1;2259150]No need to apologize in my book. It’s on eBay for godssake. This is not state secrets we are talking about. A few people who thought an eBay auction was somehow a deep state secret need to get over themselves.


I would have to whole heartedly agree with Steve on this. If you are doing a daily search on ebay and have 'Babe Ruth' or 'Ruth' as your search parameters under sports cards you would most likely see this card. I know that most people search using 'newly listed' as part of their search. If you do that you generally know the last items you saw and at what time of day. Anything that looks odd in the image next to the title you are probably going to open the listing.

If you search by highest price "Babe Ruth" on ebay, this comes up first and it is funny as hell they're charging $6 for shipping.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/35198838010...=20001&mkevt=1

Plain white envelope?

All in good fun Rocky no need to apologize.

Agreed.

Two thoughts on this thread:

1. 'Outing' a public auction is not a thing.

2. That is not a visually appealing Ruth card.

They’re mailing it book/periodical rate. Which means it’ll get to then authenticator in 4-6 weeks:D.

It’s nearing $34,000 and I like how he wrote that the rest of the cards are not included in the deal. Meanwhile, The rest of the things he’s auctioning off will get him under $1000. I bet the seller is going to wake up in shock this morning.


What was interesting The opening bid was $9.99 ( disclosure I put a bid in when it was still at double figures).

Meanwhile this guy’s not getting any bites :

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385093138192

I guess the adage is true, as a seller you should open bids at low numbers to get more eyeballs :p

Letting the community know about a card they might be interested in is seen as a "bad thing" here? lol :rolleyes:

49K...WOW! Who sniped me?????:eek:

Looks like it went for 49k.

Wow...last second jump to $49K. Is this a case of timing and luck, or is that really a $50K card in almost any auction?


Bill

Imagine going in to an attic to buy books and stumble into $50k

$48,998.88! So thrilled for Maine, the seller, and the buyer!

I spoke by phone with the seller a few mins before the auction just closed this am, and they really had no idea what it was or it's value-thought it was a candy card of some potential value.

Someone I know who collects ruth pegged it at 45k.

If the buyer slabs this with PSA or SGC and it grades a 2 or 3, they can flip it for $65-$75K, wow, win-win.

It will likely grade a 1.5 it has a significant corner crease and some minor paper loss on the back. Eye appeal is strong however. I had it “raw” to sell at 45ish and if authenticated and slabbed I’d think it would sell in 60s. Just my personal opinion.

Ask the seller how they are going to ship it to the buyer.

I'm guessing they are going for a drive. Unless the buyer is on the West Coast.

This has got to be the ugliest picture I have ever seen sell for $45,000.

Since this involves eBay Authentication, the card gets registered mail sent to that program (I believe it's in FL), and once passes Authentication and Authenticity via that program it gets sent by eBay's authenticator to the buyer directly.

Agreed...because the Joe Jackson E90-1 costs more than that.

IMO, this Ruth is uglier:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...Unc%20Ruth.jpg

I'll take $45K...

Best I can offer you is the .45 cents I found under my couch this morning.

At least the E90 has a nice background? It’s an ugly ass card but these Ruth’s offend my eyes just a little more.

I could understood the angst about "outing" the auction if it was some obscure player or the name was spelled wrong in the listing. It was a Babe Ruth auction in which his name was spelled correctly. Babe Ruth auctions do not go under the radar on eBay.

The fact that the price jumped after this thread was posted here doesn't mean anything because most of the serious bidding comes as a snipe in the final five seconds.

but it's a "pitching" pose...so it's worth a fortune!!!!!

Most depression era cards are ugly...limited resources...snapshots of the country at that time.

JJ rookie is top 3 ugliest of all time.

I think this post may have needed up getting more eyes in the auction but not more dollars in the sellers pocket

I have mixed feelings on this one. I am sure that outing it here made more people aware but how many of those were actual players at 48K?

The seller should have done their homework to figure out what it was before listing but does that mean he/she should have the card sell for $1,254.67 because it was not listed with the right title?

In the end, I think the card still sold for less than it was worth based on recent sales. The buyer did well so did the seller but had he gotten the card graded he likely could have put more money in his pocket.

And for all you CSG haters guess what???? Andy Broome with be doing the AG on this one!

Estimates in this thread are cracking me up. This is at minimum an $80k card, and almost certainly a $100k+ card. Congrats to the buyer.

Gamble ?
 

.. Unless it comes back from a grading company , after 31
days , as an " A" ....
Think happy thoughts.

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I originally posted this in the wrong thread. Here is VCP for the card.

I'm happy for the buyer, if he is a collector. If he's a flipper, I'm still happy for him, but I'm not seeing the amazing profit. The card looks to me like a 1 or a 2. Memory Lane just sold one 4 months ago.

Anyone know who the wet transfer is on the back?

Looks like a color bleed through similar to 33 Goudeys.

I don't want to get into a debate about the merits of outing an auction as there have been multiple threads on this board about that in the past.

However, you would be amazed about how untrue your statement above is. Certainly most Babe Ruth (or similar top HOF) auctions do not go under the radar. However, there are always a few listings every year that do go under the radar and don't get the eyes or attention they probably should have. Even this year, I've seen an SGC graded 1914 Cracker Jack Ty Cobb go well under the market rate because the seller did not have much feedback. (I think the graded was 4MC). I've won a few Babe Ruth strip cards on ebay myself this past year that probably should have went higher.

Attached is probably one of my best purchases via auction on ebay from a few years ago that probably also went under the radar.

Ahhh, I can see it now that I looked at the last pic. Thanks!

Amazingly the PUMPERS in this thread are rich enough to walk away from 30-50k...based on their "estimates "

Very cool card. The outing claim seems misplaced though. There was literally a news article on the auction. But more to the point, I think it’s good that it was shared with people that might be interested in it. Do I see your point though? Yes.

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To further expound, I posted because I wasnt sure what the heck it was and the seller didnt know either. Also, it looked a bit fishy with that box of cards and the usual story of "found in an attic".... I didnt mean to mess anyones bargain hunting up but like I said I wont do it like this again. I do respect what people have said and I agree its not fair to bidders to purposefully point out an auction where a low price might be had. But to me not knowing what it was, I thought it might be a fake or a reprint.... so in a way I was looking for feedback to benefit everyone here. But like I said.... I dont wanna be that "OUTER" guy and wont be ever again! Peace out my fellow Net54 friends! Its a beautiful war!

Ended in a bidding war. Will be nice to see the grade on this one if buyer chooses to..

I wish I had the balls to buy a card like this and get it graded and make a nice profit!!! But alas I am just a minnow and a collector at heart!!

Same. Could be a missed opportunity for sure.